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Published: Friday, April 22 2011 10:16 a.m. MDT

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Dutchman
Murray, UT

"If Texas said yes to Scott and the Pac-10, the Big 12 is dead and Utah is still in the MWC".

Not accurate and these kind of misleads need to stop. According to the reporting done by Chip Brown of Austin, Texas who covers the Longhorns and the Big 12 Utah was in, no matter which way it would have played out. If Texas said no it was going to be the PAC-12 with Utah and Colorado. If Texas said yes it was going to be the PAC-16 with Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Utah, and Colorado. Texas A&M was NEVER going to join the PAC under any circumstances, so it's irrelevant to consider an impossible scenario. The only scenarios that were ever actually possible were PAC-16 with Utah or PAC-12 with Utah. Scott was never going to invite Kansas. That was a rumor of desperation floated by the Kansas athletic department and was never going to happen.

MESOUTE
Karchaj, A.V.

Dutchman is absolutely correct. Utah and Colorado were always in. People with AD contacts at the U reported it early in February, 2010, and Chris Hill acted as a go-between for the PAC 10 and CU. Scott wanted a PAC 16 with the scenario Dutchman presents here. We always knew that mid-June would be the time of the announcement since February of that same year, and perhaps it was not mere coincidence that the PAC extended the official invite in mid-June, as expected. Personally, in five years I would like to see the PAC go to 16 teams and include BYU, Texas, and whichever two that would make the league even better. I want BYU and Utah in the same conference, it means much more to both schools and their respective fan bases.

Kiboo
West Jordan, Utah

BYU will NEVER be invited to the PAC12. There is too much disdain for what BYU purports to be. Utah jumping to the PAC12 and BYU opting for independence has essentially killed one of the best rivalries in the country.

It will be interested to look back after 20 years and see who really got it right.

PAC 12 loves U
Sandy, Utah

@ Dutchman

Great comment! I would just like to add on one thing about Texas A&M. The SEC extened them an offer to join their conference. Texas A&M doesn't want to follow and do everything Texas wants to do. The Aggies would say no to the Pac 10 invite and thats why Utah has always been the candidate for Plan A and B for Larry Scott. Texas A&M agreed to stay in the Big 12 because of the deal Dan Beebee (Big 12 commissioner) presented.

Whatever way you look at it Y fans! Utah would join the Pac 12 or Pac 16.

Balan
West Jordan, Utah

What a bunch of INSECURE fans Can't you just accept the fact that you were invited - for whatever reason???

Trying to rationalize that you would have been selected anyway - when you already have been selected - is, well, embarrassing.

Ibleedcrimson
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Who knows what really went on behind closed doors, but my suspicion is Utah was always in the plans. No less an authority, Tom Holmoe's comments support this:

"Whenever it was Pac-10 expansion, Utah was always the school that they talked about," BYU AD Tom Holmoe said. "It would always frustrate the BYU fans."

Now I'll sit back and wait for the little clown car to show up and the usual 6 or 7 clowns to pile out and put thier usual spin on the above comment!!

TJ
Eagle Mountain, UT

Diddn't Utah's invite come after the the Big 12 teams made their final decisions? Seems like if Utah was part of the plan from the beginning they would have had the invite before or at least the same time as Texas and the other big 12 teams. I think the PAC was waiting to see how many, if any big 12 teams were coming. If they ended up with 6 they would already have their 16 for a playoff. Utah would not have gotten an invite then. The PAC may have already had good indications that 6 teams would not have come and was preparing Utah for the possibility. I do think that based on recent success(6 years) Utah would likely have gotten invited before Colorado.

hedgehog
Ann Arbor, MI

"Whenever it was Pac-10 expansion, Utah was always the school that they talked about," BYU AD Tom Holmoe said. "It would always frustrate the BYU fans."

Go ahead trolls,

I'll give you extra time to come up with your spin.

B
Logan, UT

Obviously Colorado will be the Washington State of the South division. Who will Utah be? And by the way, are they ever going to expand that piddly little stadium beyond 45,000?

Dutchman
Murray, UT

B,

That "piddy little stadium" as you call it is a state of the art facility that sells out. The "tin can" in Provo was built in 1964 and expanded in 1984 but it was not the design BYU wanted because the nearby neighborhoods complained and Provo Mayor Jim Ferguson sided with the neighbors and thus those hideous end zones were built instead of going higher. Good luck with any future expansion of that dinosaur.

Balan,

We are not insecure. We are correcting an inaccurate statement made by the news media which is not surprising.

Balan
West Jordan, Utah

Correct all you want - it still comes across as insecure. And by the way, no one knows what would have happened had Texas gone to the PAC10. But, if it makes you feel better, rationalize away!

Dutchman
Murray, UT

Balan,

If Texas had gone to the PAC 10 it would have been Colorado, Utah, Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State making it the PAC 16. Does this help you understand it now? Even Tom Holmoe so much as admitted it when he was quoted as saying, "Whenever it was Pac-10 expansion, Utah was always the school that they talked about," BYU AD Tom Holmoe said. "It would always frustrate the BYU fans." Dennis Dodd, CBSSports.com --4-21-2011--

Are you one of those frustrated fans?

Mount Olympus
Provo, UT

Utes are in the Pac-12.

The would have, could have, should have is all speculation.

Did I mention that the Utes are in the Pac-12?

Balan
West Jordan, Utah

Right on Mount Olympus. Utah IS in the PAC12. So why the insecurity with what might have happened had the cards not come up the way they did???

What's your point, Dutchman?

Ibleedcrimson
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Be patient Balan, I hear the circus music in the distance, the little car should arrive soon and the revisionist crowd with the bulbous noses and big shoes will impart their wisdom on the subject!!

All kidding aside you have a relevant point, we are in they won't take it back let the games begin!!!

Rock Of The Marne
Phoenix, AZ

Balan why are you on here with you little brother attitude trying to stir things up? What's your point? Utah is in the PAC, BYU isn't so get over it; I'm tired of jealous ankle biters.

In terms of Meyer, he was good but he didnt start it (McBride did) or keep it going (Whittingham); Meyer walked into a pretty good thing as McBride had left him with good players which he did know how to utilize. All Ute fans should never forget that it was Coach McBride who got things back on track.

Dutchman
Murray, UT

Balan,

My point is Dennis Dodd got it wrong in his article and it needed to be corrected. You guys then started making suppositions that needed to be responded to.

Balan
West Jordan, Utah

You really think if Texas had been invited that Utah would be where they are today??? The myopia of some Utah fans never ceases to amaze me. But as I said earlier, if it makes you feel better, go for it!

Ibleedcrimson
Cottonwood Heights, UT

"You really think if Texas had been invited that Utah would be where they are today??? "

Isn't this you being; "insecure with what might have happened had the cards not come up the way they did???"

Oregonian
Sherwood, OR

Dutchman-

Your conclusions don't match your logic. Texas A&M was invited to join the PAC10 along with the other 5 teams from the BIG12. Your comment, "The only scenarios that were ever actually possible were PAC-16 with Utah or PAC-12 with Utah" is true now only because Texas A&M was going to reject the invitation. If we used your logic, we could also make the following conclusion, "Utah was the PAC10's choice all along because the other schools didn't want to join."

Also, what would have happened if Baylor, instead of Colorado, was included in the original offer. The story could be completely different if that happened. But Baylor is a religious school and that wasn't going to happen. BYU was never on the table for the same reason.

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