skywalker,My "speculation" comes from the reporting of
Chip Brown in Austin, Texas who covers the Longhorns and the BIG 12-2. Where
does your speculation come from? From my experience is that it is fans like
yourself who make things up. I stand up what I wrote. Take it or leave it.
DutchmanYour "cast in stone" speculation, is just that,
speculation.The PAC 10 could have sweetened the deal a little to
entice Texas A&M to change its mind.orThe PAC 10
could have tabled expansion because being able to add a championship game wasn't
going to produce the financial windfall they were hoping for.orTexas could have decided to join the PAC 10 without the rest of the Big
12 south. If you review history you'll discover that Colorado and Texas were the
original teams discussed when the PAC 10 was considering expansion before the
Big 12 was created.Suggesting that Utah was a lock to be invited to
the PAC 10 is misleading and just a bunch of Utah homer drivel.Utah
was only invited because Larry Scott jumped the gun and invited Colorado to lock
Baylor out of the picture, and Scott had no other viable options when the Big 12
south backed out of the deal.
Here are the facts again. Sammyg and others please memorize this. Your
misleading comments over the past few months are becoming drivel. In the end,
all that matters is that there were only two possible scenarios and they both
included Utah. Utah was in, no matter which way it would have played out. If
Texas said no it was going to be the PAC-12 with Utah and Colorado. If Texas
said yes it was going to be the PAC-16 with Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma,
Oklahoma State, Utah, and Colorado. Texas A&M was NEVER going to join the
PAC under any circumstances, so it's irrelevant to consider an impossible
scenario. The only scenarios that were ever actually possible were PAC-16 with
Utah or PAC-12 with Utah. Scott was never going to invite Kansas. That was a
rumor of desperation floated by the Kansas athletic department and was never
going to happen. As for BYU joining the BIG 12, I wish BYU well and maybe it
will happen but keep in mind that the Texas AD Deloss Dodds has stated in an
interview with Chip Brown that the BIG 12 will not expand without Notre Dame.
Re: hedgehog"Again, as much as you want the phone to ring... it
never will."Another one of your ridiculous prophecies. With
your track-record, BYU can probably expect a phone call any time now.The dust may have settled in the conference realignment picture for the
present, but it is not going to stay that way. If independence works out well
for BYU, it may not matter.
Oooh, let me try this game! So... BYU's School of Music just got a large
anonymous donation, so BYU is clearly better than the U of U. Ha!Sounds silly to me. Does it sound silly to anyone else?The PAC
didn't pick BYU for non-sports and non-academic reasons. BYU has plenty of
academic strengths that appeal to other universities (few universities have a
higher percentage of students who continue to excel in graduate school). The
exclusion was purely political (religious). It is unkown whether a major
conference is willing to accept BYU's culture, but that is what would stop BYU
from getting an invite in the future (not academics or sports). Can we move on
from this topic?
If going to a BCS game is what makes a team relevent, then UConn is a relevent
Dutchman, yes, fans take pot shots at each other all the time. Mixing it with
Mr. Huntsman to somehow to elevate your point over BYU... classless.
Hey, byu finally got some ESPN coverage. According to espn.com, Andrea Adelson
is a blogger for non-aq schools. Independent schools such as Notre Dame and byu
fall under her jurisdiction as "non-aq" schools. Thats pretty
Byu is irrelevant because they have not gone to a BCS game yet. I didn't say win
a BCS game I said actually play in one. It's the same pre season hype with BYU
fans another mythical run at a New Mexico bowl or Vegas bowl berth. You guys
are/were good in the MTN. that's it! If you couldn't win the conf and go to a
BCS game while your days in the MTN. competing against top teams such as New
Mexico,UNLV,Utah St,Colo St,Whyoming,SDSU, there's no way you will go now.
"The Big 12 will call BYU when they're ready to have a championship
game"CG,I hate to break it to you but no BCS
conference will ever invite BYU. Way, way, way to much baggage.Deep
down you and all your troll friends know the reason. Best you just focus on
that little BYutv thing you hatched up.Again, as much as you want
the phone to ring... it never will.
DutchmanThe Big 12 will call BYU when they're ready to have a
championship game. BYU's athletic programs and fan base bring much more to the
table than Utah ever dreamed of. For the Big 12, inviting BYU will add much to
the conference than simply the ability to hold a championship game in football.
No matter how you size it up, U of U = filler.
Uteanymous,Using your critical reasoning the BIG 12-2 needs two warm
bodies to have a championship game but they haven't called BYU yet have they.
Hmmmmm.Sammyg,Whether is was the PAC 12 or the PAC 16 it
was always going to include Utah, period. End of story. How many times do you
need to be told this. Texas A&M was never going to join the PAC and never
will. They have a standing invitation to join the SEC. Chip Brown of Austin,
Texas has reported on this conclusively. Please stop spreading untruths. BYU fans denigrate Utah all the time so your comment rings hollow.
Other than an athletic program I just don't think BYU had much to offer to the
presidents of the PAC 10 who we all know were the ones calling the shots.
Couple of things:1) It's April, and this "article" (links)
already has a tons of posts. And they call this the "off" season. Fall
cen't get here fast enough.2) BYU has a prestigious football program.
Congrats to the team.3) I'd watch Fresno State vs LA Tech, but it gets
triaged behind other more marquee games. The question isn't will the average
college football fan watch the BYU game, the question is will there be any
better games on? From Superfly: "OH YEA? how bout Utah vs
Montana State NO ONE will watch that. but you haven't seen one BYU fan say
anything bout that." ....until now. And again and again.From Jeff ls: "These snide comments are really uncalled for from
either party...I am a BYU fan and I am going to watch every Utah football game
that I can. I have been practicing my laugh."Trying to figure
out the last time a Cougar fan got all preachy early in their post and then
broke their own advice later on. Probably yesterday.
@ DutchmanNo Dutchman, I don't think Huntsman's dollars and the
Cancer Institute had anything to do with the decision. Yours is
another attempt to make the invitation more than it was. Let's go over the
facts.The PAC-10 wanted to be a super 16 team conference. Invitations were sent.Invitations were opened and ignored.Plan 'B'
was implemented to save face and create a 12 team conference to have a
championship game.Leftovers... Colorado and Utah were invited and in a
nanosecond accepted.By the way for a comment to mention Mr.
Huntsmans's good work and then to denigrate BYU in the same paragraph somehow
just does not seem too appropriate, ya think?Of course we know that
'trolls' often put their little feet in their own mouths when in fact they ought
to be kickin' themselves in the butt instead.
"Do you think the PAC 10 presidents were interested in research like that
when the invitations went out to join the PAC 12?"Not
really.The PAC just needed another team to fill out the roster so
the PAC could hold a championship game. Any warm body would do as long they
"Do you think the PAC 10 presidents were interested in research like that
when the invitations went out to join the PAC 12? That HD truck BYU had to offer
obviously didn't impress much"DutchmanI'm sure the
PAC12 Preidents are just as concerned with the advancement of medical research
as they are "doak" awards or other on-field accomplishments.It's nice to see the U is helping is such advancements and not self serving
agendas. Yes, this is a big reason the UofU was invited to join the PAC.
Hey, there is an article in the Utah section on Jon Huntsman, Sr. giving another
$41 million dollars for a total of almost $1 billion so far to the University of
Utah Huntsman Cancer Institute, a now renowned national cancer center for
patient care and research. Do you think the PAC 10 presidents were interested
in research like that when the invitations went out to join the PAC 12? That HD
truck BYU had to offer obviously didn't impress much. I'm sure that is pretty
good reading, if you are into cancer research.
Wow, What comments! So no one is going to watch BYU on ESPN. I have a question.
If no one wants to watch the cougars play, Why isn't Utah the teams that is
constantly being invited to play again teams at Texas Stadium? That huge state
of the art stadium that packs them in. Why in the world would BYU be invited a
second time? These snide comments are really uncalled for from either party. I
want Kyle to be successful, but as in all sports you have to wait and see what
happens on the field. Look up, the sun is shinning. It is going to be a great
season. Can't wait for September. I am a BYU fan and I am going to watch every
Utah football game that I can. I have been practicing my laugh. Jeff
@DevilishUteYour post discounting the brand of BYU and its
viewership on ESPN has got to be one of the silliest posts ever on the subject.
Congratulations, you're a 'certified' troll.
Especially if BYU somehow beats ol Miss, Texas AND Utah. You dont think ESPN
will jump on the bandwagon and hype BYU like none other? It's all business,
can't you see that? ESPN WAAANTS BYU to do well and win these games. Your crazy
for thinking nobody will tune in.
Only 3 games have been announced on Friday night. who said anything about
wednesday or thursday games? everyone points out the Idaho State game. wow
debate 101. bring up BYU vs Texas, BYU vs. Oregon State. BYU vs Utah, BYU vs
TCU, BYU vs Ol Miss, BYU vs Hawaii. You don't think these games will draw HUGE
crowds?? They're all on saturday too. so dont just point out the Idaho state
game and try to make that your best argument. thats like us saying, OH YEA? how
bout Utah vs Montana State NO ONE will watch that. but you haven't seen one BYU
fan say anything bout that.
@DevilishUte 4:21pm:Who will be watching?? - You, h-hog, chrisB,
wilary, and a host of other closet Cougar fans. That's all that matters.
BYU haters, Prognosticators, and Ute Trolls,Why do you care enough
to post?Why do you feel the need to come on a BYU article and tell
us that our contract with ESPN will be a bust, that no one watches because no
one cares?You cared enough to read an article about a team you
dispise, and then took the time to comment about it.Thanks for you
wisdom, insight and input, but...I think we will be just fine.
Enjoyed the game in Cache Valley last fall. I'll be in Austin this September
enjoying another beat down of the cougs. Hook'em!!!
Here is the truth. Nobody and I mean nobody cares about Utah outside Utah. BYU
is worldwide and Utah is 1/4 of Utah. Wow! The Utes will be 6-6 and will be back
to 5000 in the stadium. BYU will beat Utah by 20 on Sept 17th, the day the Ute's
football team becomes the Ute's basketball team. This will be a great year to
watch the Utes falllllllllllllllllll. Go BYU and Nebraska! P.S How
many Utes got arrested this week? How many idiot Utes will fight before the game
and quit during the game this year?
I'm just so glad to no longer see UNLV and Wyoming on the schedule. Can't wait
until we get rid of the rest of the WAC weaklings (USU, SJSU) and play real
teams that can win. Still many months before the season and we have 3 games on
ESPN. Can't wait to get more on there. This season is going to be incredible!
I love how Doman says Apo is as good of a WR as BYU has had. Since BYU will be
on ESPN so much, I bet even Meyer will tune in. Oh wait, he has to now that
ESPN will make him talk about BRIGHAM YOUNG UNIVERSITY!
Ah, please. A little more civility, thank you.Hmmm, who to believe,
who to believe?ESPN, who appears to know what they are doing, saying
that BYU football will be a successful broadcast venture, and putting their
money where their mouth is?Trolls (and admittedly some polite
skeptics, thanks for your input!) predicting a broadcast debacle?ESPN? Trolls? ESPN? Hmmmm...
Don't think I'm a troll. I think my point was that you are the troll running
from Utah article to Utah article ripping on the U as you have time and time
again. Believe it or not I like both teams to do well, but do root for the Utes
against the Cougs. I went to Utah and BYU. And no, my feelings don't get hurt
over football. Not sure where you were able to jump to name calling me an
elitest, arrogant, Ute ego. I resorted to no such name calling, yet. I just find
it ironic, and quite entertaining, that the same thing you criticize the idiot
Ute fans for is exactly what you do.... Guess there are idiots on both sides.
They make me laugh; especially you.
cooperpug | 10:38 p.m. April 20, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT Veritas,
BTW I just read about three of your posts on a Ute article so who cares if a Ute
fan is posting on your precious BYU territory; futhermore, did you just compare
UTEP to BSU? Are you serious? You're as bad as the Ute BYU haters. ===I always post on articles about in state teams. Find one that is
negative about the team. I bag on Ute fans because...It's so
easy.Utah fans keep scores on "trolls"... Are you one?I did not compare anything but BYU and Utah's bowl wins.Utah
fans bagged on the Vegas Bowl for so long, I always like to bring that one
up.They bag on the WAC too, so if that hurts your feelings, that was
a double "embarassement" for Utah fans that refuse to see the big
picture, and focus on "conferences", and "mid-majors"--
sorry.I could always bring up scores if that would somehow massage
your elitest, arrogant, Ute ego...I just seem to forget. Was the
Vegas Bowl close?
Playing a few bottom feeders this year is just because of the short time to
create an independent schedule. I'm sure that I'm not alone in being tired of
playing the likes of New Mexico, Wyoming, etc... year after year on the mtn
otherwise known as the worst coverage of sports I have ever seen. BYU fans
across the nation will now get to see their cougs play week in and week out.
This can only be good for the program and for its fans. I wish the U
well in the Pac-12. If they play like the team that showed up against the
Broncos. You are in for a long year my friends. Let's hope Norm Chow can teach
Wynn how to be a man. I hope the Cougars can put up good fights
against the prestigious schools and make ESPN glad they made this deal. Heaps
for Heisman! But. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Veritas, BTW I just read about three of your posts on a Ute article so who cares
if a Ute fan is posting on your precious BYU territory; futhermore, did you just
compare UTEP to BSU? Are you serious? You're as bad as the Ute BYU haters.
The glass is half full... no more mtn squinting. Beyond that... I don't care. I
get to watch BYU games. Again, beyond my immediate enjoyment I don't care
whatever nonsense the insipid are spouting. Go Cougars! In HD. All over the
Who will watch? Three kinds of people, those that want BYU to loose, all of you
here on this article, those who want the Y to win, this article and those who
want to watch exciting football. The type of offense the Y runs is the one that
people love, long passes, running backs all of it. Don't worry there
will be plenty of viewers, ESPN knew that. Heaps is exciting and
will gain a national recognition thru the network, something that was absent for
players like Johnny Harline, and others. The MTN had zero exposure.Go Aggies.
@devilshute You said "I don't think people, outside of BYU fans, will tune
in to watch BYU trounce Idaho State and other games like that. It's not going to
happen".The point that you make for BYU is much appreciated.
There will be millions of people watching all BYU games because, pay attention
because this will be hard for you, there are millions of BYU fans. Throw in
thousands of fans from Idaho state and likely a few hundred thousand who will
watch at least part of the game because of curiosity about one of the nations
most recognized schools and because it is on ESPN and you have what? That's
right, a major contract with ESPN because they are a nationally relevant
institution. Now go and tell your friends that you understand and explain
it to them.
Heaps is your prototypical dropback passer, so expect to see three-, five- and
seven-step drops in a progression-type offense. But BYU also has the ability to
do no-huddle from the shotgun. Variability is the key, and so is being less
predictable. With Doman in charge, you can expect something old-but-new from
this offense. This is refreshing to hear, sounds like some nice
changes to the offense are in store. Im looking forward to see what Doman brings
to the table. I appreciated Anae during his time as the OC, but he his
playcalling became a bit too predictable at times.
Naval Vet | 5:30 p.m. April 20, 2011 Philadelphia, PA scenic
view:""This is a common mistake of the naysayers,
underestimating the drawing power of BYU. Take last years New Mexico Bowl for
example."===As I remember that was a W for BYU.How did the U do against a mighty "WAC" team in the Vegas
Bowl?"Waaaahhhhh" AC?Naval... your
serve....===BYW, for those keeping score... This is a
I am just glad the Cougars will be on TV that I can watch. I really do not care
who they play so long as they play decent. It is extra fun when they win. Go Cougars.
Hey did anybody see if they ranked Coach K Jr as a good hire?
Sorry, Usc was number 2 not number 1
Now wheres stockton, that is not fair to assume that the 12000 people that went
to the spring game were not ute fans. I will call hedgehog and chris b on stuff
that they think is true but have no way of telling and i will do it to cougar
fans. If your going to make a claim back it up.
Jan 21,2009 Espn most prestigious football programs1. USC16. UCLA
17. Washington22. Colorado25. BYU28. Arizona St.43. Utah44. Cali45. Stanford53. Oregon56. Oregon st60. Arizona77. Wash. StLook at that, byu in the top 25 once again
and utah just missed. Atleast you guys can say that all the byu fans saying
that you are going to be bottom feeders to stick it
@DevelishUte... a question of immense implication from one of the barely 7000
who might possibly have showed up for Utah bb home games. Do you really believe
that the 12,000...no make that 15,000 that the DNews says supposedely showed up
for the Utes Spring Game were actually all Ute Fans??? Just like everything else
the Utes do they depend on at least a 3rd to half of their crowds at home games
to be Cougar fans who like to attend both School's athletic events... something
in which most ute fans do not recipricate or even remotely fathom. Believe me
You will not have 12,000 true Ute fans sitting in the 92,516 seat Memorial
Colloseum on Sept 10th. More than likey you might have that many Cougar fans
from the Southern Cal area coming out to support the Utes.
DevilishUte"I know plenty of alumni and plenty of Mormons
outside of Utah that don't care about BYU nearly as much as you think they
do."Your limited circle of acquaintances is meaningless when it
comes to the size of the BYU fanbase outside of Utah.It's not
arrogance, it's a fact, that BYU has been an ESPN media darling for decades. BYU
was drawing large audiences playing past and current WAC teams like Utah State,
Wyoming, New Mexico and UTEP 20 years ago.Your jealousy
notwithstanding, the BYU/ESPN partnership is going to be very successful. Not
every game will be a sensation, but there will be enough to keep fans tuning in.
This past week one of the top sports radio jocks here in the Seattle market
("Softy" Mahler, on KJR AM) had Jake Heaps on the air by phone from
Provo. He told the audience that the reason he made the call, even though he
was still mad at him for not going to Washington, was that he saw Jake as the
next big college star. I found that remarkable, based on how PAC-centric KJR,
the home of Husky sports, typically is.With all the negative
publicity in college athletics, lots of people who know nothing about the Church
and care even less about the state of Utah are hungry for the kind of teams BYU
fields. With BYU playing on national TV and in many big games this year (4 of
the top 50 non-con games in 2011 are BYU games, according to College Football
News), BYU will be picking up fans, especially among sports families with kid
fans. If BYU football has anything approaching a decent season this year, they
will be the roundhouse to the basketball team's setup punch.Emotional? Sometimes, I admit. If this is what "frantic" feels
like, then pour me a double!
Honestly, how many teams are there that can draw millions of viewers, on their
own, on national television? You BYU haters are making a straw-person argument.
I don't care how many people watch BYU play on Thursday night. I can watch them
now, unlike my Alma Mater, even though I live in the same television market
where they play, because UNLV could barely even draw their own friends and
family to watch their games. BYU has a fantastic football program worthy to be
televised nationally. Don't let anybody tell you otherwise. The Cougars' frantic
and emotional fanbase plus frantic emotional people who love to hate them will
watch, that's who.
DevilishUte, Naval Vet The common mistake of BYU haters is not
recognizing reality that ESPN wouldn't have signed BYU to an 8-year contract if
their empirical evidence hadn't demonstrated that BYU football draws fans
scenic view:"This is a common mistake of the naysayers,
underestimating the drawing power of BYU."One of the common
mistakes of cougar fans is the overestimation of their drawing power. Take last
years New Mexico Bowl for example. The cougars game against UTEP only drew a
Nielsen rating of 1.8. That a significantly lower draw than the 2.2 Colorado
State-Fresno State  and 2.4 Wyoming-Fresno State  New Mexico
Bowls.The cougars last drew a 2.2 with their 2009 Las Vegas Bowl
game vs. Oregon State. What that means is a Wyoming-Fresno State New Mexico
Bowl > a cougar-Oregon St. Las Vegas. Can you wrap your mind around that?
Why would an "also-ran MWC team" vs. an "also-ran WAC team"
game trump a "MWC-Champion" vs. "Pac-10 team" game?Answer: Because you're a bush-league mid-major. Nobody cares about the
cougars except to rip on them and their frantic and emotional fanbase. But at
least you're still good for that.
DevilishUte, let's do a little math. There are about 13 million Mormons
worldwide. About 6 million live in the US, so let's select from that pool.
Let's say only have are BYU fans, then we have 3 million. Let's say only a
third care enough to watch a game. That's one million.Yeah, these
could be overestimates (I don't think anybody knows for sure), but don't forget
that there are non-LDS people who do watch BYU play (probably a few, but they
are out there) as well as BYU haters who will most definately watch just to
cheer against BYU (you really think hedgehog doesn't watch BYU play?). A
million people just watching BYU is a good number, not enough to break records,
but certainly better than the status quo.Again, I don't think anyone
knows exact numbers, but ESPN has statistics about how many have watched their
past games and judging by the deal they made, they considered it a worthy
@DuckhunterPlease provide empirical evidence supporting your claim
that BYU games are among the highest rated games on ESPN. Please state your
@Duck Hunter, scenic view and everyone else....We shall see. We
shall see. Your arrogance is once again on display. I don't think people,
outside of BYU fans, will tune in to watch BYU trounce Idaho State and other
games like that. It's not going to happen. That's not to say that when BYU
schedules games against better teams, people won't watch. That being said, I
think you are overestimating BYU's national presence. I know plenty of alumni
and plenty of Mormons outside of Utah that don't care about BYU nearly as much
as you think they do.@Duck HunterI love your cyber
muscles...I'd like to see you make snide, rude comments like that to me in
person, especially given that we have no prior history. Besides
following Utah, I also follow ASU. ASU played Idaho State last year and I turned
it off after the first quarter (maybe I'm not a "true" fan???).
People will not watch lopsided games. You'll see.
DevilishUte"Who's going to be watching those games on ESPN?...
Do you watch LaTech vs. Fresno State when the game is broadcast on
ESPN?"LaTech and Fresno State aren't BYU.This is a
common mistake of the naysayers, underestimating the drawing power of BYU.Ironically, even the BYU naysayers will be watching.
Hey, there is an article on a former Ute blowing all his wealth. I'm sure that
is pretty good reading, if your into Ute football.
DevilishUteWho will be watching? The nation, including
U, because BYU and Jake Heaps will be playing.
I was expecting to see Hedgie over here commenting. I found him crawling
outside of his hole on a ute article. He saw his shadow and there will be
several more weeks of bitter comments.The Independence push for BYU
football has definitely built more excitement around the program.Oh,
and what a great baseball game last night as the Y pulls it out in the bottom of
@devlishuteESPN didn't give BYU an exclusive contract because no one
would watch. To the contrary BYU has fans all over the country, litterally
millions of them that will watch. For evidence just have a look at ESPN's
alltime highest rated college football games and you will find BYU well
represented on it.Certainly your utah education was better than you
have shown here wasn't it?
More legitimate praise for one of the best programs in the country. It is a
great time to be a Cougar fan. I am predicting a good season with a minimum of 9
wins. I am really looking forward to the Cougars playing several very good teams
this Fall. The new coaches have really instilled a winning attitude.
@SportscenterWho's going to be watching those games on ESPN? Just
because it's on TV, doesn't mean people will watch. Do you watch LaTech vs.
Fresno State when the game is broadcast on ESPN?
Heaps is poised to have a breakout sophomore season. With all summer and fall
camp to work on timing and reads with his receivers, the BYU passing game is
going to be awesome.I appreciate all that Robert Anae contributed to
the BYU program, but he really made some poor decisions last year that
contributed mightily to a less-than stellar season. The two-headed quarterback
was a disaster. As much as I like Riley, Heaps should have been the starter from
day one. Expect Doman to be much more agressive in his play calling than Anae.
Doman wouldn't have sat on the ball after moving inside the 20 with plenty of
time left to score a touchdown and seal the win. Heaps will be give much more
freedom to call his own plays.BYU might have more depth this year
than any year since Bronco became BYU's head coach. They'll still be quite
young, but they have a lot of talented players that are going to open some
eyes.This is going to be a fun team to watch.
JustGordon | 2:31 p.m. March 29, 2011 Cottonwood Heights, UT "Gosh...the Utes on ESPN....no ESPN love for BYU? Oh, I forgot...only on
Wednesdays and Thursdays." ESPN | 9:00 a.m. April 19, 2011Bristol, CT"3 reasons BYU's offense will be better"1. Jake Heaps is the starter. 2. Doman is in. 3. Depth.BYU's contract with ESPN, btw, doesn't include any Wednesday games, only
Thursday, Friday, and Saturday games on ESPN/ESPN2 and occassionally on
ESPNU.Not bad for an independent that supposedly got left behind.
The Cougars will receive more revenue for one home game on ESPN, than they were
getting for the entire year, all sports combined, on the MTN. The
Utes will be on ESPN's PAC 12 blog.The Cougars will be on ESPN
television.It's a great time to be a Cougar fan!
Starfarer...BYU will be playing on Thursday and Fridays.They got every recruit signed that they wanted, and anyone who did not sign,
they did not want.Also, I'm thinking of moving to Ann Arbor for the
Let the trolling begin.Make me laugh, make me cry, tell me why BYU
is a bust, that they will fail, that going independent will be bad.But remember...What you say will more than likely come back to