Let's see how Jake does.If he continues like he finished...It could be fun to watch.
Poor pity the team that passes up on Jimmer, unless they already have a
superstar-caliber PG. He'll be a superstar on any team that drafts him and gives
him half a chance.Jimmer has proven all his life that the naysayers
don't know what they're talking about. He'll have no problem at PG in the NBA.
Certainly not immediately--that'd be foolish wishing. Even Stockton took a year
to get the starting nod.If Heaps stays healthy and doesn't trip over
the honor code, he'll be for BYU's football what Jimmer was for basketball.The fun for BYU fans should continue!
Let Jake-mania begin...more fun is ahead BYU fans...Great interview Jake,
showing us sneak-peak into the season ahead! GO COUGARS!!!!
It is time to show what you got Jake. The reins have been handed over to you,
now lets put up some numbers against some good programs. Jake if you can pull
off convincing wins, wins that you were recruited to provide for the BYU
program, then you will be on your way to BYU QB stardom. Talk is cheap, so go
out there this fall and beat Ole Miss, Texas & Utah right out of the gate in
2011 then I will believe. Nothing to impressive yet, remember the UW game Riley
won that one, you did not find the endzone. Find it in 2011
I'm not sure if Jake will reach Jimmer status, but I have no doubt that he'll
create a legacy and be remembered as one of the BYU greats by the time he's
finished at BYU.
Did he really say "spread your legs a little bit"?The kid
is not nearly as articulate as he thinks he is.
Watching Jake Heaps play reminds me of a deer looking at the headlights. Quest
for perfection baby!
Oh, and another thing Jake...If you had really dominated Utah the
entire game you wouldn't have been in a position to get beat at the end.
Jake Heaps and Jimmer Fredette, two very impressive young men.Otis
S. and Howard S., not exactly the 'Creme-de-la-'Creme of society (crème
de la crème (krm d lä krm)n.1. Something
superlative.2. People of the highest social level.
Jake Heaps will have his hands full until he gets thru the season playing the
big boys. With the WAC teams on schedule he'll have a winning record playing
High School football teams and enjoying the BYU crowd with sugar coated almonds
and seven-up!!! Should be a fun season if you're a season ticket holder!!
Otis Spurlock | 10:41 p.m. April 18, 2011 What?Once
again, no one has a clue what you are talking about.By the end of
the season, there was no "deer in the headlights." Your trolishness is
showing.Howard S: and if the Utes hadn't played so poorly, against a
team that you obviously feel was so far beneath you, they wouldn't have needed a
blocked to preserve their win. For a team that was so highly ranked, there was
absolutely no domination.Honestly Ute trolls, do you want to revisit
the last five games of last season and compare who was going where?
Honor Code, your description sounds so distantly familiar to... maybe like last
year's Ute schedule in the MWC?You guys are so trembling in your
shorts because you only wish you had a QB of any sorts. If anyone has that
"deer in the spotlight" look it will be Wynn this fall. Putting up
huge numbers where I can count on my fingers the total offense against TCU and
ND, yeah, you guys have certainly much to talk about and fear this fall in your
weekly beatdown in the PAC-10.2. If the MWC had such a 'cupcake' schedule last
fall what do you think the PAC boys are going to do to you on a weekly basis?Here's a thought for you. What if Wynn gets injured, a very likely
scenario in light of your offensive line, then what? Shreve? Yeah, baby, you've
got some depth on the bench.You guys only wish you had a quality #1
QB recruit like Jake. A lot of little boys dream of growing up and being a BYU
QB. Not U.
I'm glad Jake is on our side. Some say talk is cheap and I agree.
But we have already seen what Jake can do. Bad teams dont blow out other bad
teams 4 out the last 5 games. I would argue that Jake was also pretty darn good
in the Utah game. BYU was a pretty good team the final 6 games and the New
Mexico Bowl was the icing on the cake. Were they great? No. But they were
getting very good. Jake's confidence is sky high right now, as it
should be. He knows what he can do and he knows what his receivers can do. He
has experienced backs and he knows his O line is one of the best in the country.
Not to mention the defense being very very good the second half of last season.
The defense will finish the 2011 season ranked in the top 10. Its a
fun time for Cougar fans. Too bad its not even May. Go Cougs!!!
Wow you folks really do live in a bubble where rose colored glasses are handed
out daily. To put Jake Heaps in the same conversation as Jimmer is
ridiculous, he hasn't proven a thing except that he's over-rated and has the
most obnoxious ego of any non-proven athlete I've ever seen.After spending
two days at practice, plus on the sideline at the spring game, it's obvious that
all is not well in cougartown. There were several players who noted the
difference in how well the team runs with Riley at qb vs Jake. I for one
don't like to watch Riley's throwning motion, but if there are players who said
it out loud, I can only imagine there are others who feel the same but don't say
anything.I like Bronco well enough and most of the team, but reality will
provide people with a rude awakening when they realize Jake will not prove to be
the qb everyone thought he would be. Can you say, Ben Olsen?
4-man race for QB, DN. Come on. This is Jake's team.sammyg, you
should know from past posts that Honor Code is not a Ute fan or a BYU fan.
Perhaps "you guys" is not a correct response here.
The entire football team underperformed last year - that is the bad news. Good
news is that they looked better as the season progressed and they are very
young. Heaps as a freshman had anything but deer in the headlight
appearance. He was very composed in the pocket. I can't wait to see him
develop. The receivers started catching balls at the end of the year. If the
tight ends can get involved, the offense will do just fine.
MiPThe four-man QB race is at BYU's season-opening opponent, Ole
Miss.This IS Jake's team, as noted by ESPN:3 reasons
BYU's offense will be better1. Jake Heaps is the starter. No
question waffling between Heaps and Riley Nelson severely hampered the way BYU
played. The Cougars started 1-4 for the first time since 1973 and ranked No. 96
in the nation in total offense. They turned it around in the second half of the
season and ended on a tear. Now, Heaps is firmly entrenched as the starter and
has one year under his belt. He will be more comfortable in the offense, and BYU
will have one true leader. "The volume he received in spring
ball was helpful for him with his reads," new BYU offensive coordinator
Brandon Doman said. "Quarterbacks are the last line of defense, and we gave
him the ability to audible and change plays. By the time we're done with 29
practices in fall camp, he will be a wise and veteran guy."
Honor CodeYour jealous rants are getting really stale. Can't you
come up with something more creative?Every BYU-obsessed fan knows
that BYU only had a few weeks to fill in their 2011 schedule so they had to go
with teams that were available. Those same fan also know that BYU already has
future home games scheduled with Texas, Notre Dame, Boise State, and Georgia
Tech.Heaps and BYU will be challenged by Texas, Ole' Miss, TCU,
Utah, and Oregon State, but BYU fans are looking forward to the challenge.btw, how many of those "high school" football teams are on
your team's schedule?
If there's one thing I can count on to make me laugh in the morning, it's the
comment battles on any Utah or BYU story from the Deseret News. Thanks for
brightening my morning boys!
I agree Jake Heaps has the makings of a great quarter back and should have a
better year being already named the starter and having Doman as the offensive
coorinator. Still, the offense is working on a new scheme with almost an
entirely new coaching staff. There will definitely be some growing pains to go
with that. Also, Jake put a really big target on his and BYU's backs when he
told Gordon Monson that since they don't have a conference championship to play
for, their goal is the National Championship. Nothing like giving your
opponents some motivation.The article about Jimmer voiced some of
the same concerns I have had about Jimmer. He's got some work ahead of himself
to stick in the NBA. He'll get drafted, but it will be up to him to make the
improvements he needs to make it a career.
What makes Heaps better than Nelson is the ability to stretch the field. That is
dependent on the WRs and to some extent the TEs actually catching the ball. If
the opposition D can play man to man BYU's offense tends to bog down. It has
more to do with the receivers than the QBs.Nelson has more
experience leading a team. He tends to run, last year partly because he had to.
His running does not utilize the whole team very effectively. It also puts the
line in a bad position. The new offense is designed for Heaps to stay in the
pocket and throw. The shotgun made it easier for Nelson to run. It also made
the offense predictable. The new offense is less predictable and harder for the
QB to run out of.Nelson is a competitor. He is an under rated
athlete and QB. However, his style just does not fit the majority of the other
BYU players nor the new offense. He can run the team. He will adapt and play
very well at times. The new offense is designed for Heaps not
Nelson. BYU is developing Heaps for 3 years.
Jake is the man, but Riley Nelson could still be a very valuable player for
BYU.I wouldn't be surprised to see some situation specific plays
designed for Riley - a 3rd and short run/pass option, for example. Riley would
also be great as a holder on extra point and FG tries because he would keep
opposing defenses guessing on fake FG attempts, and he'd give BYU viable options
for scoring or picking up a first down on bad snaps.
Jake Heaps: A better quarterback than Jordan Wynn ... by far. The former will
play in the NFL someday, while the latter has a chance of playing arena football
for a couple of summers before settling into a middle management position
somewhere in the innards of the U of U athletic department.
Doman has such a track record of getting qb's to the nfl....er, wait a minute, I
was thinking of Norm Chow.Heaps = Ben OlsenNot that I'm saying
Jordan Wynn is any better, but at least take into consideration that Wynn has an
oc that understands getting qb's into the NFL whereas Heaps has a green oc and
has plenty of growing pains to even become the best qb on his own team.
plyxply"Doman has such a track record of getting qb's to the
nfl...."You mean like John Beck and Max Hall and himself?BYU career: Unanimous All-Mountain West Conference selection and Heisman
Trophy candidate in 2001, led the Cougars to a 12-2 season as a senior with
3,542 yards passing, 261-of-408 with 33 touchdown passes and rushed for 503
yards and eight touchdowns; 14-2 as a BYU starter. NFL career:
Played three seasons as a quarterback in the NFL; selected by the San Francisco
49ers in the fifth round of the 2002 NFL Draft, where he spent the majority of
his three NFL seasons.Coach: Guided two of the most prolific passers
in BYU history: John Beck, a 2007 second round draft pick currently with
Washington Redskins, and Max Hall, currently with the Arizona Cardinals; Hall
and Beck are second and third, respectively, in BYU history in pass completions,
passing yards, and total offense, while Hall became the winningest quarterback
in school history.Doman is just getting started.Doman +
Heaps > Chow + Wynn
@ Howard S:Speaking of articulate: "I can't wait to
get out here wit these Boise State or should I say Girlse State they bunch of
plyxplyBen Olsen had potential, but injuries derailed his career.Jake Heaps, barring injury, will be right up there with the likes of Jim
McMahon, Steve Young, and Ty Detmer by the time he finishes his BYU career.Jordan Wynn may be a decent quarterback this year, if he fully recovers
from his shoulder injury, but he'll never be a star.
I love how Ute trolls can predict which coach, player, team or person will
succeed and who will not.You know when you always say that someone
will fail, you are probably going to get one right every once in a while.But... the real question is why bother?I am completely
apathetic about U of Utah sports. I couldn't care less. I have never read an
article or commented on their boards.The Utah trolls have an
obsession with BYU. It's like their are a nine year old who can't understand
why he is infatuated with the girl in front of him, doesn't understand the
rumbling in his chest, or the pangs of his gut. He can;t leave her alone so he
pulls her hair and sticks his tongue out at her. Because he actually has
feelings for her.Just admit it, and become a fan. If you really
didn't care, you wouldn't read the articles or post on the boards.I
guess when you grow up... you'll understand those feelings you are having
being a qb coach and being an oc are entirely different animals, and based on
what I saw at spring camp they aren't looking as good as they did last year at
the same time on offense. In fact if BYU and Utah played right now
it could easily be a 3-0 game in good weather.I like Doman, I think
he's going to be a very good oc, but he is not in Chow's league and Heaps isn't
going to be as good as everyone thinks...in my opinion. I could be wrong, it's
happened before but I don't think either Heaps or Wynn are in the class of the
guys they replaced.
plyxply"at least take into consideration that Wynn has an oc
that understands getting qb's into the NFL"Reality check: Doman
is two for two getting starting QB's into the NFL. (Three for three if you count
Brandon himself.)A little over a year ago, many of the same fans who
are saying that Heaps and Wynn are about the same, were saying the same thing
about Jimmer and Henderson.Utah fans who view the world through
their crimson-colored glasses are going to be shocked at just how much better
Heaps is this coming season.Crank up the "weaker
competition" spin machine now, because that's the only rebuttal you'll have
left by November.
plyxply"being a qb coach and being an oc are entirely different
animals"True, but Doman has a mentor in Lance Reynolds who
knows every bit as much about offense as Norm Chow."I don't
think either Heaps or Wynn are in the class of the guys they replaced... I could
be wrong..."You are. Heaps is poised for a breakout
year. If you'd paid any attention at all to Jake's mechanics, footwork, arm
strength, accuracy, and poise, you would have seen that Heaps is already
head-and-shoulders better than Wynn in those categories. The only things he
needed to refine heading into his first full season as a starter were his reads
and timing with his receivers. By September, Heaps and his receivers will be a
well-oiled offensive machine.Chow on the other hand, is working with
two backup QBs, who obviously don't have the skills to run his offense, and an
injured starter whose mechanics, footwork, arm strength, accuracy, and poise
pale in comparison to Heaps. Wynn will be adequate, if he's healthy, but he and
his receivers will never get the reads and timing down before the season starts.
@plyxply"Being a qb coach and being an oc are entirely
different animals."You're right they are. The qb coach is the
one most directly responsible for devloping the qb and helping him become good
enough to, you know, be in the NFL.Of course Doman has been the qb
coach for exactly 2 qb's at BYU and guess what? Both are now in the NFL. The 3rd
qb he was responsible for, himself, also played in the NFL.Funny how
once you were presented with those facts you tried to deflect and take a
different line. And there is no chance you spent anytime at all at any of BYU's
Heaps has built a good foundation for his sophomore year. In the
spirit of playing the prognosticating game going forward...At Ole
Miss and Texas could be confidence builders or confidence wreckers.The rivalry game with Utah, at BYU, looks like a winnable game, at this
point.UCF, Utah State, and San Jose St., at BYU, are gimmies.At Oregon St. will be a test.Idaho St. at BYU is a
gimmie.(At) TCU will be a test.At Louisianna Tech, Idaho
and New Mexico St. at BYU are gimmies.At Hawaii will be a test.7 easily winnable, confidence building, stat padding games.1
rivalry game at home.5 games on the road against what looks like
quality competition.If Heaps can stay injury free, a 7 win season is
guaranteed.The other 6 games will separate Heaps from merely being
good to being something special.
No matter what else you say about Heaps... the kid has a rocket launcher for an
arm! It puts a nice sting on you when you catch it.
If you go back and read the comments of the few obsessed Yners on this article
one after another it becomes obvious that this drivel reaches beyond jealous
obsession. It has gotten to the level of sad and disturbing. I can feel nothing
but pity for these people. I will be happy when some of them are silenced this
September.BYU is poised for a really good season. All their weaknesses
from the first 6 games of last year were either greatly improved last year or
have been addressed in the off season. Couple that with more experience in the
skill positions and they will be very good.
Had to listen to this another time. Give this kid another year or two to mature
and his interview skills will be polished. His growth is already evident and
it's very obvious that the confidence to lead is there.Can you
imagine having the resources of Detmer, Young, McMahon and Doman available
almost at will to support you, to answer your questions day in and day out? What
was interesting was Jake's confidence and work ethic coming throught the
interview. No doubt that this guy is putting in the hours to prepare mentally
and we've seen his physicality.Come September the Cougars are going
to turn heads. Other people are saying he's Heisman material. It's going to be a
fun run.You Ute trolls might just want to study how BYU does things
as the Cougars have a long storied program for great QBs. I simply offer that as
a kind suggestion since the headlines of the Cougars continue to mention some
pretty great QB talent and Ute articles are just lacking any QB inspiration
lately.Go Jake and Go Cougars!
Has Jake Heaps beat a team with a winning record? :)
"Has Jake Heaps beat a team with a winning record? :)"bigutefan,Please don't point out the 2 ton pink elephant in the
"Also, Jake put a really big target on his and BYU's backs when he told
Gordon Monson that since they don't have a conference championship to play for,
their goal is the National Championship."Isn't that every
college football team's goal? If it's not, what's the point? I appreciate Heaps'
confidence and positive outlook. I'm sure it will take him far.
I think we are right to have a certain amount of confidence in the Cougar
football team this year. However, when we prognosticate, I would hope we would
be modest in our projections. I am not saying that we should ever put them
down. No, we should be just a bit more conservative in our outlook. Our
tongues should not write checks that our Cougars cannot cash.Having
said that, MAN it is going to be fun this upcoming year! Being a teetotaler
myself, BYU Football is the ultimate intoxicant.
Re: bigutefan: "Has Jake Heaps beat a team with a winning record?
:)"Re: hedgehog: "Please don't point out the 2 ton pink elephant
in the room."Or the two two-ton pink elephants in the room.
bigutefan, Hedgehog"Has Jake Heaps beat a team with a winning
record? :)"Yes actually, San Diego St. and Washington both had
winning seasons as well as bowl wins. Jake played in both and started in one of
those. He gave the mighty Utes quite a run for their money as well, out
performing their veteran offense and QB's, and leading a late 4th quarter drive
down to the Utes 25yd line only to sit on the ball. A true-freshman Qb, a true
freshman team really, took your mighty #5 ranked utes down to the wire. Jake
Heaps showed flashes of greatness.plyxply,In 2010, Jake
Heaps beat multiple freshman records, including TD's. Guess who's record he
beat? Ty Detmer. Not saying that Jake will be an All-American, Heisman winner,
or National Champion, but nobody is to say he will not be any of those things.
19 returners on offense will be a huge advantage. Especially with the tall,
fast, athletic receivers who are being trained by a legend. Jake
cannot be blamed for the 2010 trainwreck in Provo. Lets just wait what
and see what he does in 2011, that will dictate what comes.
Heaps did pretty well for himself in his freshman year, He set a number of
freshman records and finished strong to end the season in the bowl game. Not too
bad for a QB that according to ute trolls supposably had a deer in headlights
look. Hopefully Heaps will continue to build on the success he had a year ago
and carry the confidence he gained into this season.
@ plyxplyWhere did Chow get his football passing and OC knowledge?
Oh that's right BYU.What QB has Chow put in the NFL as of late?How many ute QB has ever won a super bowl?Sorry time has
passed Chow by, so enjoy your PAC 12 fantasy, the closet the utes might get to a
PAC 12 championship is through NCAA Football 2012, 2013, and so on... Get your
controllers ready ute fans!
sammyg et al,Who was the OC responsible for most of those great QBs?
And a couple more since he left? That's right, Norm Chow. Where is he working
now? That's right, the U. I'm pretty confident he knows how to judge QB talent
better than any of you and he has said Jordan Wynn has what it takes. I'll take
his word for it.
Keep wishing Mormon Ute. I've never said Norm doesn't have talent but he does
have a predictable modus operandi and things have changed since Norm's heydays
of yester year. Recognizing talent is one thing, having it to work
with is another.For several months Cougar Nation has been the
whipping post of several since the announcement of the Utes going to the
PAC-10.1.1 beta. It's an old story. BYU conntinues to recruit great talent in
spite of it's poor program and irrelevance in 'future' independence as Ute
trolls would describe it.For the past 3 weeks we've seen three
stories about BYU QB recruiting and it's obvious that there's a great measure of
Ute insecurity being exhibited on the comment boards because of it. Or is it
just a backlash of Jimmermania?In a addition to this we've seen a
few stories coming out of Spring camp that have revealed very little to cling to
for the Utes. Wynn is recovering, wow. Shreve and what's his name did little to
garner any positive comments from either Coach Whit or Chow.Yes,
Ute, it's panic time.
@ Mormon Ute cont'dIt's so interesting that many of U are so
enamored with Norm. I'm ecstatic that you're so excited.Brandon
Doman is well on his way to becoming a legendary coach. With two successful QB's
in the NFL in such a short time, his own personal accomplishments, and what he's
done so far with Jake and company I have just as much confidence, if not more,
in these young coaches as you do in your 'old' predictable ones!So
before you go trolling and saying how great Norm is and using it as a whip on
our story just know that Bronco and Doman Inc. are out there successfully
drawing in more talent for QBU, the 'original' QB factory.Does an
opening line for Ute QB recruiting go like "Hey QB, come to the Univ. of
Utah. I'll coach you like I did at BYU years ago?"
sammyg,I find it interesting that you have chosen me to take out
your frustration with those you call Ute trolls. I don't believe anything I
have said in any comments would qualify as trolling. I think my comments about
bothe Jake Heaps and Jimmer have been reasoned, well thought out and well
researched. So while I am excited for the season to come in football, I am also
realistic in my expectations and am relying heavily on those with far more
experience than I to fuel my expectations.I am not jealous in the
least regarding BYU's QB recruiting. Norm Chow has only been with our program a
few months. He hasn't had time to really impact the recruiting process. The
kids that are landing at BYU right now have been in the pipeline for months if
not years. As far as spring camp is concerned, all I've heard reported about
BYU's spring camp is a bunch of intangibles. Energy, excitement, positive
attitude, etc. Not much of substance. So before you slam the Utes for some
struggles, take a look at your own guys. continued...
sammyg continued,Now about Brandon Doman. Two successful QB's in
the NFL? Are you referring to Max Hall and John Beck? First, let's look at
Max. He played in 3 games for Arizona and lost all three. He has thrown 1
touchdown pass. He has been out ever since then with a concussion. Let's
withhold judgement on his career success until he has had a chance to play a
little more. Second, John Beck. John is currently with his 3rd NFL team in 4
seasons and hasn't really played since his 1st season with Miami. In Miami he
played in 5 games and started 4. Miami lost all 5 of those games. Since then
he hasn't seen much action. So I don't see a lot of success there for John
either. Yes, both of those guys were great quarterbacks at BYU, but to call
them successful in the NFL is really reaching.Norm Chow has put at
least 6 QB's into the NFL who have had some real success. 3 of them won the
Heisman Trophy. Yeah, I'm excited about Norm Chow working at Utah.
How is Alex Smith doing in the NFL?
And the QB factory continues....only this time it will yield its best model yet!
Heaps will go down as one of the best ever (in college football). I don't
think it's unrealistic to project a handful of awards for Monsieur Heaps,
including at least one Heisman, maybe two.
Mormon Ute"Two successful QB's in the NFL?"Sorry, the initial post was how many quarterbacks has Doman gotten into the
NFL.The answer two for two. (Three for three if you count Doman
himself).How successful they'll be is still an open book.#1 draft pick Alex Smith, for example, is a complete bust, but I'll bet you're
not ready to close the book on Alex, so why are you acting like the book on John
and Max is closed?Besides, how well QBs do in the NFL depends
somewhat on how well they were coached in college, but it depends much more on
the team they're on, other QBs on the team, the supporting cast around them, and
their NFL coaches.There have been a lot of Chow-coached QBs who
never played in the NFL, and there have also been many who have played in NFL
who didn't excel.If you're going to dog Brandon's limited resume,
objectivity requires evaluating all of the Chow-coached QBs who didn't make it
big in the NFL. Even Chow can't claim that 100% of his QBs were NFL successes.
Mormon UteDo you really think that Jordan Wynn will even make it
into the NFL, let alone be successful, even with Norm Chow coaching him?That's the salient question. Not how many successful QBs Chow has
coached in the past.Frankly, as fragile and injury-prone as Wynn is,
I'll be surprised if he can make it through the season, that is, if he comes
back strong enough from his shoulder surgery to play effectively.
@M Ute No frustration, you commented directly and I responded but
remember, you're a Ute commenting on a BYU article and thats known as trolling.
Take your lumps, you're trolling.I suppose if Jimmer makes it to the
NBA and he doesn't do that well shouldn't cross off "Make it to the
NBA" on his 'bucket list', right? And this reflects poorly on Coach Rose,
right?Give it up M Ute. Running down Doman's first NFL guys of Beck
and Max does not prove a thing, no more than a comment about Alex Smith
floundering. Individual talent skill sets vary.How many QB's did
Chow promote and failed in the NFL? I dont know and could care less. How
many will Chow promote in the future? Not as many as Doman. What does Chow
have to work with today? Wynn, who is recovering and a weak bench. Who
does Doman have to work with today? A seasoned sophomore / #1 pick and some very
deep talent already on the bench... and futures lining up.Recruiting
QB's is still alive and well at BYU. Jake is going places.
BluCoug & Riddles in the Dark,This wasn't about former Ute
quarter backs, was it? Didn't think so. I would like to see Alex get another
shot, but I'm as dissapointed about how much he has struggled as you BYU fans
must be about John Beck. It's too soon to say much about Max Hall. I'm not
talking like the book is closed, just replying to sammyg's claim they are
successful. They're not yet. I don't recall getting into it with sammyg about
why they might not have been successful in the NFL. All I did is state the
facts to dispute his claim.To quote sammyg he said. "With two
successful QB's in the NFL..." That sounds to me like he's saying they've
been successful in the NFL. If that's not what he meant, sorry for the
misunderstanding.As far as dogging Doman's resume, no, I'm not. I'm
simply pointing out that the Ute's current offensive coordinator has produced
more proven players than Doman. You can hope all you want for the future, just
don't try to make it sound like history.
TrueBlue,I don't know and don't care. Doing well in the NFL has
never been the measure of a good college quarterback. A lot of you guys are now
taking my comments out of context. I pointed out Chow's success to compare him
to Doman, since they are in the same position now. All that does is validate my
excitement for the future of the Ute's offense and our quarterbacks. Chow has
proven himself, Doman hasn't yet. At least not to the extent Chow has and not
at all as an OC. Your 'salient' question wasn't even part of my discussion with
sammyg.Let's see. A quarterback gets one serious injury in his
freshman season and you label him fragile and injury prone. You must think the
same of Riley Nelson, since he went out with an injury too. I wouldn't be too
quick to presume that. When you take into account that the injury occurred
October 9th and he led the team to 5 more wins after the injury. That sounds
like a pretty tough guy to me.
sammyg,You and whose army labeled it trolling? I don't recall the
Desnews putting a disclaimer at the top of each article stating only BYU fans
are allowed to comment. If it's published, it's fair game and you and everyone
else who has read my posts knows I'm never unreasonable or unfair in what I say.
So label someone else a troll if you want, but the comments boards are free to
everyone.I didn't say a lack of success in the pros reflects poorly
on the coach. You claimed two players were successful in the NFL who haven't
been, yet. They might still be, but it was you who first brought pro success of
former players into the discussion as a measure of Doman's success. If you
don't like someone using real facts to dispute your claim, do your research
first.As for future success, neither of us know whether Doman or
Chow will be more successful, but the fact is Chow has a more proven record. As
for Wynn vs Heaps, I like Wynn just fine. He's at least as proven as Heaps and
has shown toughness.
One quick correction to an earlier post. I believe I said Wynn was a freshman
last season and he was a sophomore. Sorry about that.
And the quest for perfection continues...QB1 - rating 116.20 yards
2,316 TDs 15 INT 9 Comp % 57.2% 10 games startedQB2 - rating 130.75
yards 1,329 TDs 8 INT 4 Comp % 58.1% 5 games startedGranted it is
difficult to compare QBs in different systems with different teammates versus
different opponents, but these stats look very similar if QB2 stats are
projected to maintain similar production for his next 5 games.Who
are QB1 and QB2?
QB1 = HeapsQB2 - WynnBoth had freshmen jitters to deal with
and had to learn new offenses. Moreover, neither was the named starting QB at
the beginning of their freshmen season. I'm not sure if BYU should be pounding
their chests just yet. Heaps looked improved in the second half of
the year, but he has A LOT to prove. Declarations of him being one of the best
BYU or college QBs ever might be a tad premature.
QB1 had to deal with a two-headed QB monster and playing in the very first game
of the season and against teams like Florida State and Air Force on the road
right out of the gate.QB2 got to stand on the sidelines, absorbing
the Utah offense for half a season, before he stepped onto the field against a
cupcake.Compare the final 5 games of both of their Freshman seasons
and you'll see a HUGE advantage for Heaps.
Struck a nerve, did I?
You're right! Give Heaps the Heisman. No need to play any games this season as
BYU has already won them all. Provide provide this analysis, MUSS.
DevilishUteNo need to get all huffy. Heaps is just plain better,
much better than Wynn.By the end of this coming season, that won't
even be debatable.
Dear Des News:Glad you found the link to the interview. You're
welcome."Softy" has absolutely no love for BYU football.
You should have heard his rants after the game when BYU beat his precious Jake
Locker in Husky stadium a couple of years ago. And his tongue-in-cheek nickname
he gets because he can be so tough on people and teams he doesn't like. That is
what makes the interview all that much more remarkable. I tend to rate his
opinions more highly than I do a bunch of Y-obsessed nobodies who can't see
beyond their own prejudices.
@devilishuteWho are you trying to convince? Anyone that has even
watched football with any regularity can see Heaps superiority in talent, poise,
and heart. The one play that defines wynn more than anything else he has done
was when he slid, cowardly, a yard short of a 1st down on 3rd down rather than
get one more yard, and the hit that would have gone with it, when his team badly
needed it. That was a very obvious lack of heart, toughness, and desire. Of course all the ute fans on here went balistic about it last season
and were calling for his benching, if not execution, funny how that is no longer
being brought up. I understand why though. You now realize that you don't have
anything else in the way of a qb in your entire program. QB recruits keep
rejecting you, embarrassingly so.
Duckhunter,Lack of heart and toughness? I'm surprised you would say
that given the fact that he played the last half of the season hurt. He didn't
say anything to the coaches and just kept gutting it out.
Mormon Ute.Really? Did he tell you that himself? Have you viewed
his medical records and are making your unsupportable claims on those grounds?
I am an orthopedic surgeon here in Scranton, and I can confidently
say that Wynn could not have thrown the football with the injury he suffered,
which was more likely than not rotator cuff ligament tears or dislocation to his
throwing shoulder. 6 months rehab is no small injury. The injury
to his throwing arm did not happen until during or after the BYU game. Or what
would be the sense in benching him for the Boise State game if he'd already
played half the season injured?Claiming Wynn was playing injured half the
season is completely delusional, and a desperate attempt to explain the horrible
offensive performance against TCU, ND, and BYU. I know Coach Whitt
reported that Wynn received the injury in the Iowa State game, but that is
simply not true. With an injury of that magnitude, Wynn could not have been
able to throw. Jake Heaps is 10 times the Qb Wynn is, and will
continue to separate himself next season.
PSUYB"which was more likely than not rotator cuff ligament
tears or dislocation to his throwing shoulder." Have you looked at Wynn's
medical records? "More than likely"? Hmmmmmm"Jake
Heaps is 10 times the Qb Wynn is, and will continue to separate himself next
season." You seem pretty cofident. Is your name Dwigth Schrute?
All I know is this.... 2 out of 3 and BLOCKED!!!
PSUYB,Nope, just going by what was reported by the Ute coaching
staff before the bowl game when they revealed he was injured and would be having
surgery. Here's the quote from an article on December 5, 2010 right here in the
Dnews, "Utah coach Kyle Whittingham made the announcement after Saturday
afternoon's practice at Rice-Eccles Stadium. He noted that Wynn dinged up the
shoulder in the Iowa State game on Oct. 9 and that it was sore for a couple of
weeks. Wynn hurt it again in the BYU game and that it bothered him enough when
bowl practices began to warrant the MRI."See, when you pay
attention to the news, you don't have to see the medical records. It most
likely became more serious the more he played without getting it treated and
finally went totally bad after the BYU game.
Sorry Mormon Ute, but what PSUYB says does not conflict with what the DNews
reported back in December. It sounds like the first inury was a minor injury,
separate from the second injury he sustained in the BYU game (a more severe
injury, especially when it was already hurt). Although physicians are not
always 100% correct, I trust PSUYB knows what he's talking about in this case.
By the way, Heaps cracked a rib in the BYU-Utah game.I also want to
thank you for the classiness you generally display. You represent the Utes
well. I wish more Ute fans were like you an less like hedgehog.
Heaps finished strong last year and I expect he will pick up this year where he
left off in the UTEP game. He now has the experience and the ability so I
wouldn't be surprised to see a record setting season this year.