@AltaHawkFanBoise St. does not have the academic standing to even be
considered for the Pac 12 at this point. That is why they were not considered.
Maybe in 10 years when they've added a few more degrees, graduate, and doctoral
programs they'll have a chance at it when the Pac expands again.And
I'm sorry but you're wrong. Utah not only earned their way on the field, court,
or slopes, but also in the classroom, laboratory, and hospital. With most Pac
12 members being part of the AAU, academic standing and accomplishment is a huge
deal for entry.
The Utes are now a PAC-12 team. Utah got the invite and BYU did not. How or
why Utah got there doesn't matter.
@hedgehogRight place, right time was all that was needed for the
utes to get an invite to the pac 12. Their on field performance had nothing to
do with it. UConn and South Florida getting invites to the Big East and Boise
St not getting invited to the Pac 12 in lieu of either utah or colorado are
excellent examples that on field performance has little or no effect in getting
a BCS conference invite. Kudos to utah for being in the right place at the
right time but don't suggest that they earned their way. It's simply not true.
MipI agree with you on the scheduling thing. I would much rather
have had 8 Pac-12 games to provide more OOC games, but it was apparently
something that the school felt very strongly about.
@WhatsInItForMe, one thing that pocyUte didn't mention about the incremental
share of TV revenue is that it was Utah's offer to do it that way (not forced on
them), since they didn't want to come off as money grabbers without earning it
and also because we weren't supposed to join until 2012 originally, when the
current TV contract expires. That's why they still get "new money"
like the PAC-12 championship game, since that is value added by Utah's presence
in the conference.
It's always good to be in the right place at the right time.However,
I do wish to PAC-12 would have gone with an 8-game conference schedule (5
division teams, 3 cross over games which alternate each year). That
would allow the Utes to have both BYU and Utah State on the schedule every year,
allow them one non-conference quality BCS opponent (for example, Texas A&M,
Pitt, North Carolina), and allow them to able to bring in one "patsy"
each year (yes, I do believe those cupcakes are necessary early in the
season---if you do not think that formula is "sucessful" in the BCS
definition, you don't watch the SEC closely enough).Also, I hope
that for the vast majority of games---the PAC12 plays in FB games on
Saturday.Gonna be a great year!
WhatsinitformeYou bet. I appreciate your kind words towards the
Utes. I too hope the BYU/Utah game gets pushed later in the year. I've heard
rumblings that they might be able to, but right now I believe the Pac-12 has
restrictions on playing non-conference games after October (there are
exceptions-most notably USC and ND), but with Scott at the helm, I would expect
the Pac-12 to be a lot more flexible in scheduling.
Thanks, pocyUte, for the update. Appreciate that. I generally follow Ute sports
on TV, but not in print.Glad to hear it's not as bad as I'd heard.
The state has finally gotten itself out of that mid-major label!Utah
fans can look forward to upgraded recruiting, which recruits will know they'll
be on a relevant team.Even though the BYU-Utah game (for the next
few years, at least) won't be a meaningful season-ender, it looks like it'll
still be very competitive and have meaning to each team outside of conference
standings. Hopefully the schools can one day figure out a way to get that game
nearer to the end of the year.
What'sinitforme.You know, It's been explained ad nauseam on this
board and a little effort on your part will get you the full funding story, but
I'll spell it out for you here.1. When the Pac-12 negotiated the tv
rights for the Pac-12 championship game, and the extra games from adding Utah
and Colorado, Utah got their share of that money, which is already more than
they would get from their awesome mtn. contract.2. The current
Pac-12 tv agreement ends after this season. Starting in 2012-2013 Utah gets 50
percent of their share, and 75% in 2013-14. Starting in the 2014-15 season
Utah gets their full share of the tv deal.3. The only schools who
could possibly get more are USC ad UCLA. They have a clause that will guarantee
them 17 million for the first 2 years of the new tv contract. By the accounts
that I have seen it will be a moot point.4. There is no probation at
all with the Pac-12 invite.
So, what's the monetary deal that Utah gets in the Pac-12 for football? No money
the first year, and several years before getting a "full-ride"? That
kind of probation should make Ute fans wonder. Such as, could failure to be
above the bottom each year cause the invite to get reversed? If that isn't an
option, then why the probation?And, is the Pac-12 money even spread
equitably (evenly) among all its members? I've seen comments and articles
indicating some schools get bigger shares.I hope Utah is successful
in the Pac-12, but I have my doubts. In time maybe, but not right away. By
successful, I mean in the top 1/3 in both football and basketball, year-in and
year-out.Even though I'm a BYU fan, I stil root for the Utes any
time they play anyone but BYU. Good luck, Utes!
@hedgehogThe Utes were in the right place at the right time. But
more important, without all of the succes, two BCS bowl victories, etc., it
wouldn't have happened. The Utes earned the opportunity to get considered and
earned their way into the PAC.
Man it was something to see the Pac-12 Logos on Rice Eccles Field Saturday!
Plus the schedule with only 2 non-BCS teams on it. Each time one of these
little things comes around it starts to sink in even more!
Right place at the right time?hmmm, possibly. But if the Utah
football program was performing at the same level as it did 15 years ago.... it
wouldn't have happen. Who knows, maybe the PAC10 would have selected BYU.
Thanks DNews, no bleacherreport articles this time. Please do not link any
bleacherreport articles any more, they are trash.