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Published: Friday, April 15 2011 9:42 a.m. MDT

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OKC UTE
Moore, OK

I love the Church and applaud BYU for their actions with Brandon Davies. Remember he went to the school and told them he broke the Honor Code. He had HONOR. What I found amazing was all the BYU fans that blasted the school for suspending him during the MWC tourney. The school did the right thing. The fans had a fit which IS hipocracy.

The guy who wrote the article does sound like he has an axe to grind if he is leaving out facts. His article shouldn't be taken seriously.

And Duckhunter, not all Utah fans are haters. And we all don't hate the Church, most of us are active and strong members. You hate being stereotyped so don't do it to us.

3for5spotshooter
Sun Valley, Idaho

Imagine an athlete...

Any athlete...

Any color...

Going to BYU and NOT knowing about the CODE...

Sorry...

I didn't know is just not going to feed the bulldog...

Or in this case...

the cougar..

Not buying it...

Now. Imagine being black, and LDS and a released slave in Missouri in the 1830's. Anybody do any 1960s civil rights marches? I was there. The blacks got the priesthood at exactly the right time in American History. 1960 America was not pretty - Marches in Selma. Freedom riders - on buses in the South terrorized for RIDING PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.

Seriously, black and LDS would have been a seriously bad way to go. Afterall the LDS people had an EXTERMINATION ORDER.. To kill everyone...

Sort of "NAZI LIKE" don't you think? That was the USA pre and post Civil War into the 1970s. The church is the doctrine..not the members with faulty attitudes...

Great school...

Great state...

Don't like the code?

Go to a party school!!!

Solomon the Wise
Alpine, UT

I M LDS 2

Koke didn't make an assertion; he stated a statistical hypothesis based on a conjecture about two or more populations.

You fail because of intellectual dishonesty. I wouldn't hire you.

Ragnar Danneskjold
Bountiful, UT

One thing I found interesting in the article was when one of the athletes said that he couldn't transfer to another school because of his dismissal from BYU due to HC violations. Is this reality stretched as well? Is it true that it is next to impossible to transfer your credits to another school if you are dismissed because of honor code violations? I didn't know that.
Eligibility is something I know about from an athletic standpoint. I am more curios about John Smith student who makes a mistake and then tries to get his life together at another university. Anybody have some input they could give me?

Come On
Salt Lake City, UT

Just because a story has been reported a certain way, or you think it happened a certain way...does not mean it did. Until you know the whole truth...somewhere in the middle is actually what happened. I think it is interesting that people are convinced the deadspin article is false, but positive the BD story is true. I am in no way referring to racism in either story, just the reporting of the aspects.

Solomon Levi
Alpine, UT

Ragnar Danneskjold

There's no truth whatsoever to a student not being to transfer credits from BYU to another school because of being expelled for an Honor Code violation. As long as he passed his classes and earned the credits, they transfer, period. There would be nothing on his transcript to indicate why he left BYU.

Tom in CA
Vallejo, CA

h-Hog:

You are a bomb throwing, drive-by shooter. You have no credibility.

Lux et Veritas
Draper, UT

It's interesting that the Deseret News would publish this article solely on the premise that two African-American BYU Alumnus had positive experiences.

These two anecdotes don't change the statistics reported by Deadspin. Furthermore, they don't justify the title of this article.

I like BYU, but the Deseret News' bias is far too obvious here.

Duh
west jordan, ut

Obviously this writer could not find anything to write so, he chose to pull the racist card because no one would listen to him otherwise. Get over it people, BYU is as racist as Utah or any other higher institution in the country. Only because BYU has an honor code do they get all the attention. Why don't we look at the Ohio state program which had a few of it's star athletes suspended for next season for violations of NCAA rules. I can't remember but I think the majority of them were black athletes. Why is the country not in an uproar and blaming this on racism. If something as simple as a HC violation issue can cause an uproar about racism, Ohio States administration should be put in jail. Just saying........Grow up people. If the shoe fits, too bad.

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hedgehog
Ann Arbor, MI

"You are a bomb throwing, drive-by shooter"

Yes, that's my "gangtar" name.

LOL!

scott
Alpine, UT

Come On

I tend to trust people like Bryan Kehl and Curtis Brown, who have proven to be trustworthy, more than a stranger with an obvious axe to grind.

The fact that Mr. Smith chose to focus solely on race in his study seriously undermines his objectivity and the fact that he misquoted or took out of context some of the quotes from his interviews undermines his credibility.

Often the truth is not somewhere in the middle, but skewed to one extreme, false.

Tom in CA
Vallejo, CA

Lux et Veritas:

Re: "statistics reported by Deadspin" (the fox guarding the hen house)

Do you believe everything you read, or just selective anti-Mormon propaganda? I suspect it is the latter.

Where's Stockton ???
Bowling Green, OH

Royal Blue
You have to take ESPN's Mike and Mike as well as Collin Cowherd especially...with an exceptionally large grain of Salt. For one...it's their M.O. to mediate controversy. And how many times haven't we heard "The Herd" himself elaborate that hate sells. Collin is the Glenn Beck of Sports Radio. If he can't find something relative rational to say then he will pitch the irrational absurd to stir the pot up. Jimbo definitely was set up and got totally ambushed on the Mike and Mike interview with the Bradon Davies question.

Hedgie tried to pull this same exact uninspred reasoning to make it appear relavent. One moment they were dicussing Tiger Woods final round charge in the Masters...and Jimbo being the humorous and colorful clown joked about falling asleep and missing the end only to suddenly being blasted with the Brandon Davies Honorcode issue simply because they new that he would would say something. It was so obvious that it caught Jimbo off guard but he made the remark as a joke..then said he was no longer comfortable with the topic and moved on to Jake Cutler's Superbowl injury.

BlueCoug
Orem, UT

Lux et Veritas

"These two anecdotes don't change the statistics reported by Deadspin."

They may not change the statistics of the report, but they certainly do change the interpretation of those statistics, especially since Bryan Kehl and Curtis Brown didn't just give anecdotal accounts, but were personally acquainted with many of the subjects and had first hand knowledge of the biases those subjects had that tainted the analysis.

The Deseret News has an obligation to present the other side of the argument when a study is released that is so obviously one-sided.

Duh
west jordan, ut

I love the comment by OKC UTE "And Duckhunter, not all Utah fans are haters. And we all don't hate the Church, most of us are active and strong members. You hate being stereotyped so don't do it to us".

I live in a community of many LDS faithful who are UTE fans. We love the rivalry but there is no hatred. We congratulate each other after our wins and we cheer for each other when we are not playing one another. And with BYU fans, there are some who just thrive on the hatred too. It does not matter if you are LDS or not, if you hate you are no better than those who promote any type of racism or other disfuntional attitude about society.

OC64
Edmonton, AB

It is biased to only publish the opinions of those students with negative experiences.

It is just as biased to discout the opinions of those with negative experiences and only publish those with positive experiences.

Clear Thinker
Draper, UT

Look at all the mormon ute fans piling on screaming see this is why you don't need to be a BYU fan if you are mormon. Guess what, these same feelings are held against the church as a whole and not just BYU.

Mr. Bojangles
Saint George, UT

IDC | 1:31 p.m. April 15, 2011
Boise, ID
I was personally discriminated against as a BYU student. I took my 3.7 freshman GPA to get a scholarship and they laughed at me. They said, "let's see, you are white, from Utah, and a mormon. You will have to do better than that." It is about time that my story is heard.

Deadspin - you can contact me through this forum if you want the rest of the juicy details.
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Haha wow dude... Thats the truth anywhere. You have to be some kind of minority to get a special scholarship. That's why I'm at Dixie State with a scholarship instead at BYU without one.

Was it right for someone to say that to you? No. Is it true? Yes.

Cougar in Texas
Houston, TX

Idaho Coug:

Curtis Brown was recruited and spent his first two years at BYU as a non-LDS kid. He is perhaps in the best position to comment on life as a non-LDS and LDS student-athlete.

Ragnar Danneskjold
In the case you refer to, the athlete had one year of eligibility left and was on probation at BYU. He was also the subject of an active police investigation. NCAA rules at the time forbid an athlete from transferring if he was on any kind of probation. Since the police investigation was ongoing (and the athlete later pleaded guilty to a lesser charge), BYU was hardly in a position to remove his probation. Thus, it was the NCAA that prevented the transfer, not BYU.

Just one more example where Smith only gives part of the story. There are so many more.

Ragnar Danneskjold
Bountiful, UT

Re:Solomon Levi
Thanks for the input. I thought that was surely the case.

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