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Published: Friday, April 15 2011 9:42 a.m. MDT

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Mount Olympus
Salt Lake, UT

Great missionary tool for the lds church.
BYU football is more of an embarrassment for the mormon church.

Starfarer
Mesa, AZ

Mount Olympus

What?!!!

Please tell us how the football program is an embarrassment?

How does this even relate to the article?

Next time, think before you write.

hedgehog
Ann Arbor, MI

What kind of message is this sending black non Mormon athletes? The way I read it is the deck is stacked against you and if your not Mormon your judged by different standards.

The reason Y black athlete gets kick out at a higher rate than white mormon athlete is because they dont have the same "saftey nets". I suspect a similar % of white mormons are violating the HR.... there just not getting caught or have the "connections" to brush it under the rug.

Hypocrisy at its finest.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Always the race card for those who have no other card to play! The last act of a desperate accuser.

Re Mount Olympus: you sound like another jealous Ute!

Just the FAX
Olympus Cove, Utah

Mount Olympus

What are you talking about?

Just because a disgruntled, former BYU professor with his own personal axe to grind decides to publish a hatchet job on BYU, doesn't prove anything.

Dr. Smith's "findings" present only his interpretation of his research. He "conveniently" leaves out any findings or alternative conclusions from his report, which is intellectually dishonest and wouldn't pass the smell test for objectivity.

His blog is nothing but a ploy to sell books by playing the racial card.

TJ
Eagle Mountain, UT

Like I said on the Trib article. Nothing more than sour grapes from biased people who have a bone to pick with the LDS chruch or BYU. You can spin any article or book any way you want to. That goes triple for stories about racial issues.

Couldn't agree more Mountanman. Race is always the last card to be played when no one is listening to you.

dhsalum
Saint George, UT

Terrible article by a former professor with a grudge, with quotes only from former athletes who have similar grudges... Oh and the Steve Young quote, which he said was incorrect right after...
I've never gone to BYU so I'm no eyewitness, but its obvious that most of the examples he gives were in the Crowton era. When he didn't care as much about the honor code as he did recruiting good athletes. So many some of the stuff is true... But I'm confident that the program is better run now under Bronco Mendenhall.

dhsalum
Saint George, UT

*maybe some of the stuff is true

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Bottom line: If you don't like BYU's honor code, don't go there! What kind of person agrees to live it on condition of admitance then whines and complains about it when you are there? There are thousands of people who will gladly take your place on BYU's campus! Don't like it? Please, please go somewhere else!

sports-junkie
West Jordan, UT

Ute fan rationale: BYU football is embarrassing to the church and the whole program should be dicontinued.

Translation: BYU football is gaining momentum and even with the honor code and the recruiting restrictions, BYU is better than the U in virtually every sport. Hopefully the entire program is discontinued because this is just embarrassing to be a U fan.

Nice try utes, BYU football isnt going anywhere.

chubbuckidahocougfan
Chubbuck, Idaho

The issue is that for black athletes or non-mormon athletes, the honor code principles and values are not lived by these individuals prior to entering BYU. The principles of no pre-marital sex, no drugs, no alcohol, no swearing, etc. are foreign to non-mormon athletes and most blacks that come to BYU are non-mormon. This all comes down to educating & informing athletes prior to coming to BYU that are not familiar with the LDS church teachings that "these are our principles...If you don't have a desire to live by these principles or don't want to live by these principles, then BYU is not a good option for you." It's apparent that the athletes on the dead spin article were playing or recruited during the Crowton era and Crowton and his coaches never informed them to the extent that they should have been. Crowton was a poor communicator!

CougarBlue
Heber City, UT

This article is so one-sided it cannot be considered serious journalism. This reminds me when the University of New Mexico sent a group of students to BYU to examine their "racist" views. I worked as a desk clerk at Deseret Towers. As I talked with the students several of them said they did not come to examine BYU's "racist" policies. They could care less. They said they had already made up their mind about BYU and it didn't matter what they found out. They came just to have a free trip. I was astounded at their outspoken bias and dishonesty. Needless to say they went back and reported exactly what they intended to report in the first place. They did not care about honesty, truth or integrity. This article is the same.

When much of this happened it did cause a great concern. That is one of the reasons the head football coach was asked to resign or get fired. He did not stress the honor code at all. He lost the vision of the University.

Sometimes athletes have to be verbally beat over the head before they get the idea they must follow rules.

HerbSewell
Las Vegas, Nevada

If this picks up more traction, I wouldn't be surprised to see ex-black athletes coming out of the woodwork to both defend and attack this article.
I think it has a lot to do with perception, and taking responsibility for one's actions.

Otis Spurlock
Ogden, UT

There is really no positive way to spin this. This hurts the Church. Honestly, what do you think people who know nothing or little of the LDS Faith think about the Church once they have read this article.

Maybe it's now time for the Church to consider doing away with BYU athletics.

hedgehog
Ann Arbor, MI

"Bottom line: If you don't like BYU's honor code, don't go there!"

Moutanman,

I agree. But many who "do go there" don't live by the HC. This "racial issue" goes away when the HC administration decides to disipline the Mormon athlete the same way the disipline the non-mormon athelet.

Again, hyprocrisy is the real issue.

Y's Guy
Salt Lake City, UT

hedgehog | 10:02 a.m. April 15, 2011
Ann Arbor, MI

One thing is for sure--we have no doubt about how you read it.

Yes, in this day and age, in a society as litigious as ours, with hedgies around every corner, there is institutionalized 'soft' racism at BYU.It's in their policies, it's reflected in the comments of university administrators and it's taught in the classroom. I'm sure the lawsuits are piling up.

Look, we get it. You don't like BYU, the LDS Church, missionaries, green jello, and roadshows. It does not matter what the corpus of information may reflect in reality, you are not going to accept it and there is absolutely nothing anyone can say that will change the calculus of your thinking.

Noodlekaboodle
Salt Lake City, UT

This article is as biased as the one on deadspin. Just like deadspin never gave the perspective of black BYU athletes who had a positive experince the Deseret News never addressed the players with a negative experience. So they are really the same thing, fake journalism that is pushing an agenda. The only difference is who's side that they are on, like most issues I expect the truth is somewhere in the middle.

MenaceToSociety
Draper, UT

It's easy to merely dismiss these claims as being from people with an axe to grind. But what I'd these claims are true? Is that what you want BYU to be about?

This is what I know: I've known some white guys from high school who went to BYU, partied in high school, partied at BYU, and never were suspended or kicked out for honor code violations. They played 4 years straight. Explain that. I also know and have known many BYU fans / alumni who judge people based on skin color and say rotten things about black people. They say stuff that I just don't get. I just don't get why some people would have such negative attitudes toward people because of their skin color.

These personal experiences of mine lead me to suspect these claims may be true. If these claims are true, should you address the issues or live in denial?

Starfarer
Mesa, AZ

Otis Spurlock

What?

Who needs to spin it at all?

Let's consider all the press the BYU BB team, Brandon Davies, and the Honor code have already generated. You think this is going to be the keystone of what people think about BYU, the Honor Code, or the Church? I hardly think so. The majority of the press has been positive!

"Maybe it's now time for the Church to consider doing away with BYU athletics."

Based on what? I guarantee that the brotheren are not concerned about this article, or what it might do to BYU athletics at all.

BYU athletics aren't going anywhere no matter how badly you want them to.

Moderate
Salt Lake City, UT

Interesting that the defense against the article focuses on race and religion. Nobody denies the section about recruits taken to sex and drinking parties. I guess anything goes to land the recruit, then you can apply an honor code.

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