As a former friend of Gaylord Swim (RIP 2005), I am appalled by Mr. Mero's
departure from the "authentic conservative" principles that should
have been the foundation of the Sutherland Institute.The Sutherland
Institute always had similarities between its ideologies and the conservatism
common in the LDS Church. But under Mr. Mero's poor leadership, the Institute
has become nothing but a thin and superficial veneer over popularist religious
rhetoric.Mero's stance on illegal immigration is no only in direct
contradiction of the Republican Party Platform, but also with the Sutherland
Institutes's own principle: Personal Responsibility as the basis of
self-government.This principle asserts that "a free and
prosperous Utah requires personal responsibility from its people... that every
Utahn should act with honesty and integrity..."But Mero does
not demand illegal "Utahns" to live the same way? Mero wants
lawbreakers to receive amnesty? Mero wants to turn his back on justice and the
rule of law? Mero wants to make illegals and exception to "Personal
Responsibility"?The Sutherland Institute has lost my support
(which was substantial).
LOL "Sutherland Institute takes aim at 'right-wing extremism'..."
Perhaps they should take aim at their own right-wing extremist anti-government
push. Remember, these are the folks who are pro-voucher and called the Utah
people "uninformed" (I would like to use another word but for some
reason Desnews wont allow me to say the "S" word and I'm not talking
bad "S" word) for overturning the voucher bill, and these are the same
folks who are against UHAA, and would like to see all government agencies
disbanded and privatized. How's that for a "right-wing extremist"
I truly resent the condescending of attitude of Mr. Mero that we somehow needs
him to "teach" us all about "extremism" , he seems to me to
be the poster child for the subject. Arguing that someone whose first act in
this country is to break the law by crossing the border with a backpack full of
drugs to pay their way, and whose next act is to steal the identity of a child
which they then use to steal job from an American citizen, and who then go to a
hospital where they don't pay the bill and figure out any way they can to rob
the state and national treasuries somehow ought to be put on a pathway to
American citizenship is my definition of "extremism" Mr. Mero. You
don't know the meaning of the word. If and when we need you to lecture us on
anything we will let you know. The mere release of this drivel is about as
arrogant an action as I have ever seen.
John C. C., I cannot believe you are claiming that an honest economic review
would indicate we need more foreign workers. Please point us to such a study so
we can read it.
Mero is right in the broader sense: The extremists have control of the process
in Utah. They are the ones who show up and are most vocal at the neighborhood
level; and those of us with provable conservative credentials but who do not bow
to their ultra far-right agenda are left on the outside. The losers: The bulk
of the people of Utah.
How many "deportation caucus" enthusiasts would support more legal
immigration? They talk as if it's all about the law, but if the law were to
increase quotas and bring in more foreign nationals would they support those
laws, too? I feel the real issue is about something less noble.An
honest economic review would show that we would benefit from welcoming more
foreign-born residents. There's nothing illegal about changing the visa quotas.
"There is no virtue in thinking that you, as an adherent, know more about a
faith than the authorities appointed to govern and administer that faith."
(from: "The Poison of Extremism," revised April 14, 2011) First, let's get something straight, Mr. Mero. You -- of ALL people -- do NOT
speak for the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of Truth, which is the actual governor and
administrator of the faith of legions of faithful Latter-Day Saints. Second, the views, relative to the rule of law, of those whom you falsely
accuse of being "extremists," do NOT "contradict" actual LDS
Church doctrine, but happen to agree with it perfectly. I would remind you of
the actual text of the 12th Article of Faith: "We believe in being subject
to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and
sustaining the law."I would remind you also of the Ninth
Commandment: "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy
neighbor."Lastly I would remind you that actions speak louder
than words. Satan himself, after all, would falsely refer to himself as a
"Conservative," his doctrines as "Conservatism," and his
church as a "Conservative Think Tank."
It is sad to be labelled 'extreme' for wanting to see laws enforced and to
protect jobs, neighborhoods, our kid's identities and the values of American
Your against 'right-wing extremism?' That's extreme!
Sarcaism off. It's nice to see self-proclaimed conservatives taking
a stance against extremism. It's too late, but it's nice. The Tea Party Republicans have taken over. And their apparent extremism
(Gonna Kill grandma, Birthers, Shut down the goverment) will work in the short
term, attracting the fringe of each group... but fail in the
long-term, distancing themselves away from the curcial vote: Moderates &
Independants. Without this balancing influence, the party will
continue to 'eat itself.' By calling for 'purity' and the decline of compromise.
Allowing other influences (Bachman, Chaffetz, Palin) to be the leading powers in
a declining party. Leaving Moderates to side with the only real
party left, the Democratic party. With their progressive and liberal ideas. aka, the conservative movement, has gone crazy. FYI, this
is the very first time I have agreed with the Sutherland Institute.
It would be interesting to see who/what entities are funding Mero's pursuit of
alleged right-wing extremism. I find that anyone who tacitly approves of illegal
immigration, either by a legislative "wink-and-a-nod" or by parsing
words in the name of political and religious expediency, to be supporting the
New Slavery. Trafficking in humans is most reprehensible. Mr. Mero, what part of
"honoring, obeying and sustaining the law" don't YOU get? I'm sure
that your handlers and donors are pulling the strings of your economical
survival,so that you can perform their political wet work that they lack the
moral courage to do.Since I am adamantly and unashamedly against the
scourge of illegal immigration and those who traffic and profit from it, and
those who enslave illegal immigrants for their personal profit, Mr Mero, count
ME, as an extremist.
It sounds like Mr. Paul Mero struggles with extreme arrogance. Too bad this is
blinding him to the reality that many people disagree with his
"extreme" views on welcoming thousands upon thousands of illegal
aliens into Utah to work in low-paying jobs, while downplaying the
ramifications.I believe most people from here have a sense of
fairness and justice. We cheer when the good guys win, we hope that working
hard and being honest will pay off with financial and other success. The notion of allowing/encouraging hundreds of thousands of people to
blatantly disregard many laws, cheating their way to "success" and
taking advantage of our welfare state while victimizing many people in different
ways is contrary to the values I have and most of the people I know.Now that Utah's a magnet for illegal aliens, it will be fascinating to watch
and see how long it takes for the increased demand for welfare, ESL and other
programs bankrupts the state. I'm going to watch from afar.
Thank You Mero and Sutherland Institute for coming out of the closet with this
wonderful article. For years we have tried to show that Sutherland Institute was
a liberal left wing organization. You have just now shown this to be true.
Sutherland Institute is a Constitution breaker organization. Thank goodness we
have patriots in this state to hold Mero at arms length. Thanks again Mero for
exposing the liberal agenda of Sutherland Institute. Thanks Deseret News for
Mero and his tiny band of followers does not speak for this conservative.Opposing illegal immigration in any form is the morally as well as
legally correct and principled conservative position.
A new race card has been added to the deck. It's called "Rightwing
Extremist."Actually, I think it was created by Homeland Security in
cooperation with the SPLC.Race cards are used when countering logic and
the rule of law.The Sutherland Institute ought to be ashamed of themselves
for using race cards.
On the first account and with Paul Mero at the helm of the Sutherland Institute,
how can the institute its self be considered as a truly conservative think tank?
Secondly, Mr. Mero is demonstrating and deploying all of the tactics
used by the Neoliberal left. When he is backed into a corner or feels his
opinion may be overridden by a majority of the population, he resorts to
personal and group character assassination and the same old tired Neolib talking
points nativism, racism, bigotry, you know the routine. If an
individual, group of individuals or the majority see Comprehensive Immigration
Reform as failed policy; and see enforcement first and then possible concessions
for non-criminal illegal aliens as separate incremental steps to attain the same
result, Paul Mero and the Comprehensive, compassion crowd go ballistic.1986: The first Compressive Immigration Reform installed amnesty without a
hitch, while enforcement was ignored and put us where were at today. Why not
reverse that failed policy and enforce immigration law, round-up and deport
criminal aliens and then offer those remaining illegal aliens an application to
work legally in the U.S.?
Barry Goldwater said "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice."
Mero thinks those who disagree with him "Extremist"?I am
far from a tea party member, having voted Democrat for 30 years. I doubt Bishop
Wester is an extremist. Mero needs to accept the fact that people can have
different opinions than him. With 9% unemployment, 140,000 people here
illegally, I don't think we need guest workers or have our legislature invite
more people here illegally. If people don't like the action of our
legislature, they can vote them out. That's the system Mr. Mero.
I would have liked to comment with some good reasoning, but apparently it is too
'extreme' and it gets censored, so i will have to settle with reading others.
I choose to follow the 2008 Republican Platform plank concerning our national
security and immigration. I do not think that this is extreme right wing. It
respects the contributions of Legal immigrants. It also condemns employers and
businesses who participate in and condone identity theft, human smuggling for
their cruel exploitation of human beings, along with the financial contribution
of funds to organized criminal cartels and gangs.The Sutherland
Institute would be wise to replace Mr. Mero to maintain its integrity.
Anyone who name calls is not someone I respect. Political correctness is nothing
more than manipulation to herd the masses to where they want them to be. Many
people are so afraid of being labeled that they will chose political views that
keep them from scary labels.We need to have the courage of our
convictions and ignore the immature name calling that scares the weak and the
uninformed. How sad that what was considered mainstream American thought 30
years ago is now called extreme. We didn't move, they did.
I agree with Paul Mero because fear is being used by people who think they are
more righteous than the rest of us.
The Sutherland Institute is going after "right wing extremists".
That's funny, I thought they were right wing extremists.
I usually do not agree with Paul Mero, but his paper on extremism is excellent.
Read his paper and then read the comments about his paper and you see exactly
what he is talking about. He is so correct in his description of extremism in
Utah. Like most zeleots Utah extreme right wing wouldn't believe Paul Mere if
all patriots who wrote the constitution came to life and told them Mero was
correct. Well done Paul Mero!!!
From the article, "Mero also wrote that during the legislative debate he
never heard the "Deportation Caucus" pitch a plan to remove the more
than 100,000 undocumented immigrants from Utah. Because, of course, that plan
doesn't exist."Mr Mero, members of the Sutherland Institute,
along with their financial supporters from the SL Chamber of Commerce know full
well what Mr. Mortensen and the Utah Coalition on Illegal Immigration propose
for the reduction of illegal aliens in Utah. It is, and always has been,
"Attrition Through Enforcement." The continuing talking points about
rounding up and deporting 110,000 illegal aliens in Utah from the Sutherland
Institute is getting a little tiresome. The real driving force
behind the support for illegal aliens in Utah, is cheap labor. In my opinion Mr.
Mero's name calling is driven by the financial supporters(cheap labor employers)
not by the majority of Utahns. The term "extremist" always depends on
someone's point of view. I am sure that there are plenty of Utahns that would
consider the Sutherland Institute "extremist."
Mr Mero is spot on. The majority of Utah citizens are not
"extremists" or "ultra right wing" or "left wing".
HOWEVER, the extremists are active and as a state we have a system that allows
these people to control the parties. Normal everyday Utahans as a general rule
do not attend the mass meetings where delegates for the various parties are
chosen. Extremists do attend in mass.This is true with both the Republican
party and right wing extremists and Democrats with the left wing extremists.This system needs to be changed to allow everyday moderate Utahans of both
parties to select representatives that actually represent the majority of
citizens and not just the right and left fringes.
Is possible that you have not heard of HB 469. This is sad, because if it is
allowed to work, it may just solve most of all the immigration challenges we
face. I believe it makes HB 116 obsolete.It throws out over 100
years of US case law about immigration, creates a way for Utahns to sponsor
people from around the world, providing the immigrants are not in the US
illegally.HB 469 claims that there is NOTHING in the US Constitution
that grants the Federal Government power over Immigration and prior to the Case
Law noted above, the States had that Power.It tells the Federal
Government to protect our boarders, create rules for granting citizenship, but
we can take care of immigration, thank you very much.The sponsoring
principle of HB469 provides a limiting factor of how fast immigrants can come,
makes sure they do not place a larger burden than we can handle, and is more
like co-signing a friends car loan. It is the truly unique piece of the puzzle.
With it, you don't need HB 116. Someone here illegally could find a sponsor, go
home and come back with permission.
We can't afford to take care of our own citizens. It's a no-brainer. Illegals
know they are, well, uh....illegal. It's so simple. Illegal, no services.
Illegal, no job. Illegal, go home and come in correctly.
Mr. Mero is pushing his agenda and ignoring facts, calling people names, and
relying of false images to get people to side with him.It is not
"extremism" to want people to obey the law. But that is what Mr. Mero
would like to label me just because because I feel the law should be obeyed. And
Yes I feel that the traffic laws should be obeyed (For all of you that are going
to use that as an excuse not to obey immigration laws).To Quote Mr.
Mero "Because, of course, that plan doesn't exist; because, of course, that
plan would be inhumane and un-American; because, of course, it would involve a
massive police-state effort, devastating families and costing millions of
dollars."No police state necessary Mr Mero, You simply enforce
current laws. That would include no jobs and no public services. The illegal
immigrants to leave on their own accord.And when you say "the
end justifies the means", you are never correct. The end never justifies
the means. The methods used to get to the end are just as important as the end
So I guess its "extremist" to want Utahs jobs to go to ACTUAL LEGAL
citizens?"Extremist" to just want existing immigration
laws enforced?"Extremist" to want the state of Utah to
quit spending 400 million per year on the care and upkeep of illegal foreign
nationals?All of us "extremists" DO VOTE and we'll be
watching the Utah legislature a little more next year when they're up for
Remember the TEA PARTY will kill any new amnesties, including so-called
Immigration reform, Sanctuary States, Chain Migration, The dream act or any
underhand way of passing any more AMNESTIES. Learn more about the astronomical
costs and Statistics at NumbersUSA. It's your America; not the 20 million plus
foreigners and not the politicians who cower under the bombardment of open
border lunatics. Join a local TEA PARTY and become an activist in the tens of
millions other others fighting for jobs, cutting obsolete government agencies,
building the real border fence and station permanent National Guardsman. Make
E-Verify mandatory to catch criminal businesses hiring illegal aliens and make
it a enforced police policy for every jail to use Secure Communities to
fingerprint and process all individuals to verify their immigration status.The country is in the worst predicament of owing Chinese and foreign
investors over 14 Trillion dollars and now want more taxes from ordinary
Americans. So if this is the case, why are we not removing economic illegal
immigrants from our shores? Hundreds of billions would be saved and, then would
start returning jobs to our own citizens and legitimate residents.