Mentally ill or not, it's disgusting that he's allowed to reoffend so many
times. Sometimes non-violent sex offenders like peeping toms do escalate their
behavior and it does become violent. Why take that chance with him and his
potential victims? Why do they drop the more serious charges? Make him answer
to those and drop the less serious things.
Interesting. I live on an island where village law rules. There is no prison.
You are in and out of the courtroom in a couple of days, and you are taken care
of by the villagers that you have offended. For minor offenses, you do community
service to pay the village you offended. For more serious offenses, they won't
kill you, but they'll make it so you'll learn to never do that again! As a
result, there is comparatively little crime, no backlog in the courts, no repeat
Anyone with legal experience in this area of crime will tell you that the vast
majority of sex offenders cannot control themselves when left to their own
devices. A mandatory medicinal treatment to suppress these urges, while
admittedly draconian, is the most likely route to successful treatment of these
people if they are not going to be incarcerated permanently.
I normally have little tolerance for those who prey on children, particularly
repeat offenders. But this guy obviously has a mental problem and has not yet
committed any type of violent crime. I'd be curious to find out if he has ever
received medical treatment or entered some type of rehab program. Something is
wrong when a person repeatedly enters a high school locker room shower and
derobes knowing full well that he is going to be caught (how can he hide)? I am
not saying we should let him free because it could be a matter of time before he
does something violent, but I am saying the current pattern is an enormous drain
on our resources and it's worth considering whether there are other alternatives
that may help him.
What's wrong with this guy? In the words of Cameron Poe "My first thought
would be, a lot."While I completely agree with the previous
comments that this individual has a significant mental illness, his willingness
to re-offend in the same manner would lead me to believe this guy cannot be
fixed.He has been caught nine times. How many times did he not get
caught? I wonder.
Itsa, actually, most prison systems are having a poor rehab record, so it's not
just a Utah thing.The plea system is clearly letting the same people go
out and offende again and again.I'm surprised some girls dad/uncle/brother
hasn't caught this guy on the street and provided a little intensive rehab on
him.The plea system is really becoming a joke and constantly gets
abused.And criminals are learning how to work it, with the help of their
@FarnsworthPMacGillicuddy,Are you saying that spending a week or
month in jail is rehabilitation? This guy has a serious mental illness. It's
probably an addiction. I am not saying that he should be let free, but he does
need help. Can he become productive. Maybe maybe not. Perhaps we need a place
were we can lock up these non-violent criminals for life doing something to earn
their keep, but keep them out of the civil population so they don't have a
chance to hurt anyone. The latest news about our good ole Utah penal system
shows that we are below the national average in rehabilitating criminals since
around 50% end up back in prison. How embarrassing is that?
@itsaconspiracy-He's had plenty of chances to get
"rehabilitated". NINE times worth. Utah justice seems to think it's
all about "forgiveness", yes sometimes that is appropriate,not in this
case. He's demonstrated a consistent pattern of behavior that will at some point
in time result in a predatory assault on a victim. I have little faith in the
"doctors" at Utah State Hospital at this point. Almost would rather
trust a judge in Weber County to resolve his "issues", certainly NOT
one in Utah County.I doubt he can become "productive" at all.
I'm not willing to risk any victims on him, are you?
What about this persons mental stability? Seems to me that a person like this
has a genuine mental illness. Jail is no place for him and neither is living in
society. Seems the state mental hospital is the place to put him.If
he goes free he needs to have a permanent ankle bracelet that will detect him if
he goes near any schools, colleges and public places where he can commit his
acts. Can't they do that with our technology today? Perhaps in
time he could be rehabilitated and be a productive part of society, instead of a
drain on our justice system. I bet he has some serious monsters crawling around
inside his skull.
Can we not have the 3 strikes act for repeat offenders? Found guilty
of the same crime 3 times and you get put away for life. Seems to me
it would prevent a lot of problems.
"But, he's NOT a sex offender or a "threat to himself or others",
so he can walk the streets and repeat this over and over and over with NO
penalties at all".I am guessing he'll now use the "Lonnie
Johnson" defense, claiming he isn't able to comprehend the charges against
him, just a minor little glitch is all. No big deal.Too bad he didn't run
into the path of a large truck, that could have ended his recidivism
permanently, since Utah Courts and prosecutors are unable or unwilling to do it.
He'll probably sue the teachers and school district now for chasing him and
harassment of his free expression.
Weird.....he looks like such a normal guy......
And the female teachers that have sex with the willing 14 year old get 30 YEARS.
Maybe he thought that being naked makes you invisible?
Well, at least it wasn't the boys locker room.What a loser though.
Even misdemeanor charges can carry a substantial jail time. Why weren't his
penalties progressively increased with each violation? IMO we are again
witnessing a major problem with our chaotic legal system, which is totally
capable of putting innocents in jail (e.g. the couple from Payson, wrongfully
accused of murder) and letting repeated offenders go. The description of this
man's 2008 case indicates what is wrong with the prosecutors and courts: they
rely too much on plea deals, rather than on their own diligent work.So, in 2008 the prosecutor was apparently TOO LAZY to properly substantiate
all the charges, and Mr. Lee (in spite of his lengthy record) was allowed to go
with a minor penalty, after the plea bargain. Conversely, when innocents do not
want to accept any plea bargain, they are kept caged until they are forced to
agree, or until the long list of ridiculous charges cannot be justified anymore.
...and to think of all the times I tried to get out of gym class with my lame
excuses of "I forgot my gym clothes" or "I'm sick and I have a
note from my mother"...I never thought of "Hey,theres a
naked guy in the locker room!" ploy.
Re: slgs5aggie | 12:13 p.m. April 13, 2011 Good analogy but I don't
know if its his right eye that is the problem.
The one thing missing from the story is what the results of a felony charge
would be. Does it mean he will be put in jail for 3 months instead of 3
weeks?I would hope someone like this could be put away for an
extended time, just to keep the public safe from his perverted mind and actions.
Is it perhaps time to pluck his eyes out? That would put an end to his little
problem. If thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out.