I agree with the Bishop, neither side will benefit with the guest worker program
except business. His fear new immigrants could displace immigrants already
living and working in the state is also valid. The citizens of the state have
watched this happen for years to their jobs.
Bishop Wester has the compassion & the intelligence to speak out against
laws that allow even more exploitation of the most vulnerable workers.
Why is Bishop Wester so concerned about protecting the illegal aliens who took
jobs from legal residents, thereby forcing the legal resident families into
unemployment and poverty? Did I miss something? Nowhere in the Utah Compact
did I see any protections for those legal residents.
Bishop Wester has taken a position that any religious organization should. On
the other hand, there is wide speculation as to whether the L.D.S. Church played
an active roll to pass H.R. 116 or if it was ifluencenced by a non-offical
member. Either way, Bishop Wester should be applauded and the Utah Chamber of
Commerce should hang their heads in shame for using deceptive methods to secure
support from any religion and Governor Herbert for their own agenda.
The good and fair Bishop really has his hands full trying to explain Jesus to
the politicians. Keep up the good work.
I suspect that Bishop Wester is coming to realize that the Chamber of Commerce,
the Sutherland Institute and other representatives of the greedy business
interests behind the Utah Compact and HB116 guest worker bill never really had
in mind any sort of amnesty for illegal aliens whether in Utah or at the
national level; that all they really want, and the real purpose of HB116, is to
simply attract to this country an even greater influx of illegal aliens -- and
to keep them illegal. This works out just fine for the greedy businessmen --
there is no enforcement to speak of, after all -- and this way, wages are kept
to a minimum. A new influx of illegal aliens into this country, of Biblical
proportions, will help insure an almost unlimited supply of cheap labor. Even
better, it will help entrench their presence in this country: enforcement of any
law related to illegal immigration and labor will become increasingly impossible
whether in fact or in people's perception (which of course will amount to the
Too bad the Bishop doesn't have sympathy for the Utahns that are out of work.
But perhaps he is hoping they will turn to God, so he can add some more sheep to
his flock? Or does his flock consist mainly of illegals, so that isn't his
target audience anyway?
Why does Bishop Wester have no concern for the legal resident families who were
forced into unemployment and poverty by the illegal aliens? Why does the Utah
Compact not even attempt to protect legal residents' jobs and wages from the
Hey Wester, do you like the people of your church breaking the law?Steven Harper: The illegal immigrants are making themselves vulnerable.
You can only take a job from a legal resident if two or more people are lined up
for that job and the owner of the business selects the illegal resident. I wish
those who use that phrase "taking jobs from legal residents" would
stop and complain about the business owners as much as they do about the
illegals, if not complain more.
The "Utah Solution" of immigration laws ignored the first principle of
the "Utah Compact" and stated that Immigration is a State Power. The
"Utah Solution" does have a flaw, HB 116.Either way,
anyone, including the SL Tribune or the Deseret News that thinks that the
"Utah Compact" is a good idea can NOT think that the "Utah
Solution" laws are. They do not mesh.
The recent illegal trespassing legislation passed and signed by the Guv. does
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING besides gain the illegal trespassers another year of
trespassing amnesty. The "guest worker" program is DOA, (the feds
aren't about to secede that to the states). Likewise, with the enforcement
provisions. Law enforcement has been "looking the other way" for
years, why start doing anything different?NEXT YEAR when current
lawmakers will be facing re-election is when I expect things to really get done
regarding "rolling up the welcome mat" for illegal trespassers.I, like "McFergy" above would like to know what went on in the
back rooms of the legislature this past session. There seems to be a
"backstory" that no one in the media is reporting.
No...they've got it wrong. The bills are fine...despite not going far enough.
It's the Utah Compact that is out of line!
This problem has no solution that will not tear apart the fabric of our current
"legal" citizenry. We are living in an increasingly globalized world
and sooner or later we are going to face opening our north and south borders
which would change little from the current situation. We cannot enforce our
borders now it would be cheaper to enforce who works once they get here. Does
anyone really believe that 12 million people got here by walking across the
desert or that 12 million can be deported? We won't even vote taxes for
improving our immediate needs and we think we are going to get people to
"pony up" to put them on a bus or put armed troops on the border?
Breaking Constitutional Law is causing the chaos. The Utah Compact and Bill #116
is causing the chaos and both are going to go no where.
To the argument that they are taking jobs away from legal residents all I have
to say is that it is hard to give legal residents a job when they can make more
money not working and just waiting for that handout to get put on their
government issued debit card. We can solve a lot of problems by insisting that
Americans (legal residents) who can work get to work, any work while they are
"looking" for a job. It is a crime that we keep extending
unemployment benefits while illegal, oops, I mean undocumented workers bring in
billions and then send this money south of the border. Why not
require anyone out of work to put in at least 20 hours of work(even if it is in
a menial, hard labor, low paying job) I would rather subsidize a part of their
income while they were being productive than subsidize all of their income while
they sit around filling out the required 3 applications a week to remain on
benefits.Fill up the jobs that Americans don't want and you take
them away from illegals. If illegals can't find work they'll go back home.
The good bishop is a socialist from a Church which has turned socialist. It is
time to "redistribute the wealth" instead of refining a marriage
between capitalism and socialism. In Mexico, you have a situation where there
is narco-terrorism as stated by Hillary. This is being used to create a great
Southern hemisphere of socialist entities under the "Hugo" umbrella.
You can't tell me that the Church doesn't know this. Watch the Harrison Ford
movie "Clear and Present Danger" one more time! In Ireland, there is
more of the same with the provisionals going political at the same time that
they are importing weapons from Iran and using them to kill Catholic kids who
dare to become police officers in Northern Ireland.
So long as we cannot enter links, the illegal aliens can win on humanitarian
grounds. That is the case because the churches continue to want their
patronage, and not one single soul will stick up for the American Taxpayer.
Particularly, the churches.
Bishop Wester and Cardinal George will stop at nothing less than an affordable
amnesty.If the fines, fees and back taxes are too high, they will cry
foul.Already some are complaining that deporting CRIMINALS is unfair.
(See Illinois proposed Smart Enforcement Law now on the table in
Springfield.)I suppose that's the beauty of the rule of law. Fight to
change it if you must, but obey it in the meantime or suffer the
consequences.The fact that politicians, activists, labor unions and big
business are winking and nodding does not change the fact that they are on the
wrong side of the law.The Catholic and LDS Church should be ashamed of
themselves. Shall we take a little looky-loo at your tax exempt status?
The world has really been stood on its ear and gone dyslexic when any member of
the Catholic hierarchy in America today is labeled a "socialist". JBQ
needs a bigger dictionary if that is the only label he can shout. What a hoot!
Even if he was taking the side of illegals to build the coffers of his Church,
how would that not be capitalism?
Re: Grover | 10:11 a.m. April 9, 2011 We could easily pass a federal
law making it illegal to grant any financial assistance, either state or
federal, to anyone who is not a US citizen or who has a green card.Where there's a will there's a way. Providing medical and welfare assistance
to illegal aliens is not the answer.
How about this story: Utah Compact not in accord with current immigration law.
A couple of posters seem not to understand how illegal workers can displace
legal workers. It is fairly simple: they under-bid them for the work. It is
an insidious process. In my industry, construction, it has been happening for
about twenty-five years.
The way I see it.....Herbert is gone and will be replaced by someone like
Sandstrom who will carry out the rule of law by enforcing current law, heavily
fine those who hire illegals, and do away with the Driver Priv Card! The Church
has too show some compassion they are a church...and have members who serve as
Bushops, Stake Presidents etc....they can continue with the Compassion speech
but reasonable citizens will show vote for enforcing and obeyance to the rule of
According to a story broadcast on National Public Radio on March 18, Mara
Liasson, stated, "The White House has been planning to make another push
for immigration legislation sometime in the next couple of months."
Already, the Obama administration is participating in a new and very threatening
new strategy, working with states like Utah to overturn U.S. law. Utah has
decided to issue its own, very-unconstitutional work visas to illegal aliens!
This unconstitutional action might be laughable if so many serious institutions
weren't backing it, and if it weren't being spotlighted as model legislation by
scores of newspapers nationwide. The state of Utah is now asking U.S. Attorney
General Eric Holder to grant a "waiver" to Utah so that Utah can allow
illegal aliens to work there--legally?? Holder actually met with a delegation of
Utah officials concerning this matter. NumbersUSA is fighting to keep this
ridiculous and unconstitutional idea from spreading to other states that happen
to want cheap illegal labor. Hopefully we can keep the Obama administration from
granting an unconstitutional "waiver" to Utah.
Just mentioning cheap labor and not adding costs may leave readers thinking that
business passes along savings and its a win-win. But "According to the
Federation for American Immigration Reform, illegal immigration costs American
taxpayers $113 billion annually. This amounts to $1,117 per household to pay for
the health care, education, welfare and incarceration of illegal
immigrants." [Reported by Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX), March 2, 2011]citing the Bracero program from 1942 to 1964 as having "benefited the
national US economy", and its true the Bracero Program, like all
guestworker programs, are primarily about cheap labor. But when Congress ended
this program, tomato farmers claimed that the Bracero Program was essential to
their survival, but growers invested in mechanization and production quadrupled
over the next 30 years. See the report by Economic professors Tella and Martin
in the Washington Times.
It's not about compassion. It's not about right or wrong. It certainly is not
about about honoring or respecting our law. It is all about greed. Greed of
the employer, and the businesses we utilize in our lives.What most
do not recognize is that just as soon as we legalize the present batch of
illegal aliens, greedy employers will be overlooking them, and importing more
illegal aliens to take advantage of - for they do not want to pay fair or
competitive wages if they can figure out how to cheat the system, or get someone
else to pick up their tab, etc.
I have read a lot of the comments that have been and agree with some and not
with others. I further believe that the Bishop had some good to say. I believe
it's high time that we stop giving the illegals any help what so ever, if they
are in this country illegally. The U.S. govt. needs to put a stop to not
enforcing the law and stop the illegals from coming to this country. I believe
further that the business owners need to be held liable if they hire the
illegals with stiff fines and the chance of losing their business. AZ. has a law
like the one I am talking about. There should be a seperation of State and
Church and be told not to mix in the law.
Bishop Wester is doing the same thing everyone else is, looking out for his own
self interest. A lot of the illegal immigrants are Catholics, not many of the
citizens of Utah are catholic. It is simple his self interest to be siding with
those that are breaking the laws as opposed to those that are here legally.