correction Road games up to 6
@Utah '95You only have half the picture.Look, Utah needs
the Coat-Tails of others through Conference Affiliaton to survive, you know,
pure Socialism. That's OK. You think you've lived in BYU's shadow
for 40 years? Try USC, UCLA, ASU, Oregon, Washington on for size.BYU
has it's own Brand, they have their own identity and Cache.They have a
National TV audience. They "Can" cut their own deals based upon who
they are....period!BYU's Football Home and Road games will generate
between 10-15 million first year.Football: ESPN
Home-games 800k-1.5 million.....up to 8 games
Road-games-guarantees 1-1.5 million........up to 8 games
Neutral site games 1.5-2.5 million (Oklahoma 1.5
mil.....TCU-BYU 1.5 mil....WVU-BYU 2.5 mil.)also:BYU-TV
can replay all ESPN games same day, and "Monetize" them. Non-ESPN games carried live Nationally on BYU-TV are also
"Monetized".BYU-TV can also "Contract" with
local stations for live broadcasts simultaneously.BYU basketball
brings millions more with ESPN and with BYU-TV doing WCC games as well.Bowl revenues stay home.
pebbles I certainly LOL every time I read one of your whiney posts.
Hey Duckhunter, you left the LOL after last post; your trademark. You don't
find it strange that you are "LOL" while writing your posts?
I bid $1, Bob!
"That is one thing I will give the trolls like wedgie and christina credit
for"Birds of a feather!!!
I absolutely love how ute "fans" like ibleedcrimson whine about BYU
fans posting on utah articles. That is one thing I will give the trolls like
wedgie and christina credit for is that they don't whine about it because they
post on every single BYU article.I never whine about them posting on
BYU articles either because unlike some of you ute "fans" I realize
that there is no rule or policy about fans of one school not being able to
follow, and comment on, what occurs at the other school. That is what these
things are for.But I do enjoy readng the whining by "fans"
like ibleedcrimson as it amuses me a great deal.Also maybe you
haven't noticed but I have some pretty good conversations with some of the Ute
fans on here. That is because they are neither trolls nor whiners. I respect
those that are respectful and I give disrespect to those that deserve that as
"Why are there so many Cougar fans on this Utah article? Envy?"I defer that answer to the Cougar fans, there should be 10 or 15 of the
usual suspects posting as I write this...
Why are there so many Cougar fans on this Utah article? Envy?
Uh that is a ute fans education showing. LOLYou realize you can
actually go to the Tribunes website, follow the links to their blogs and get
there that way. LOLNo wonder none of you knows what you are talking
about. Maybe you should have attended a different university? LOL
Naval vet,Thank you. I attempted to find said 2.2 million dollar
article.... it doesn't exist. ducky made it up...once again.
BYU fan math:estimate+I've heard+I know a guy that+it seems logical
that+if they give (x) school (y) money then BYU should get+I've read+some dude
is writting on ESPN = Fact
"Part of being successful using the Google function is the desire to
actually find something using it."Using the Google keywords
"jay drew sept 14 2010 west virginia byu", there are no listed
articles that support the alleged $2.25 million payout. Since you didn't
provide the title of the article, I'm going to have to assume you didn't read
it. Since cougar fans insist on touting that - IMO - made up value, but can't
provide verifiable details to substantiate it, I must assume that it is
cougarnation that doesn't have the desire. Rather they would prefer to remain
ignorant of the facts.No matter how much one desires the facts, one
can't find an article that doesn't exist.
Wedgie just to help you out Jay Drews blog in the Tribune dated sept 14th 2010
reports that sources from WVU have said that each school will receive 2.25
million for their upcoming game with BYU. There's one. Remember the
google is your friend. LOL
"There are some that estimate 2 million for some of the better
games"ducky,Still dodging the question. Please
sight the specific journal/article/date. The word "some" just doesn't
@BYU trollsPlease stop comming here and calling us trolls when in
essence you are trolling the Utah articles. This drops you from troll status to
tool status, and noone, even BYU fans, want to be tools. (that is unless they
just can't help it).
@ute trollsPart of being successful using the Google function is the
desire to actually find something using it. Undoubtedly none of you have a
desire to do that. If you did you would find about 100 different articles on the
subject which have a wide disparity in their estimates. That said I
haven't seen any that estimate 3 million per game. There are some that estimate
2 million for some of the better games and around 1 million for some of the
lesser games. Since the contract is only for home games it would be a fair
estimate to say they will net somewhere in the 8 million range for a season,
maybe 9 or 10 mil if they have a 7th home game.But of course that is
only for football. They have an arrangement for basketball as well and the
estimates there are $300,000 to $600,000 depending on the game. And the lesser
sports like baseball, volleyball, womens basketball, etc. are also part of the
deal and if espn chooses to broadcast any of those sports there is a payout as
well although I am sure it isn't a large one.
Thanks DuckThat's kind of what I figured. Living in Pocatello, I
hear a lot about money games for Idaho State. My guess is BYU would love to
come out in the black scheduling, but my guess is its probably a wash and they
@pocyBYU does pay teams that come in and they are also paid by teams
when they go to their stadiums. I'm sure you have heard the term "money
games" werein a team like USU goes and plays a team like nebraska purely
for a large guaranteed payout knowing full well they are going to get
throttled.This is a guaranty because nebraska knows it will sell out
its games no matter who it plays so they will guaranty the team coming in a
certain amount.Now in the case of larger schools like BYU they will
make a home and home agreement with another large school and each will guaranty
the other a certain amount for the game they play at each others stadium.
Obviously they each make more on the game they play at home but the payouts are
still good.Since BYU doesn't release the details of those it is hard
to know how much goes each direction although there is usually some speculation
that appears to be somewhat accurate.
"There seems to be an awful lot of cougar folklore regarding $2 million
games"Naval Vet,Yes, I have to laugh everytime I
read these posts. I suspect a troll made some outlandish claim a few months ago
and as usual BYU jumped of the cliff with it.I'll be waiting with
baited breath to see how the trolls respond. My guess would be some reference
to "cougar board".LOL!
Utah '95Good breakdown. I have a serious question for
BYU fans who know the money situation. Does BYU have to pay a team to come in
for all their home games, and does BYU get paid for all their road games? Just
BYUColorado, redfeather, Arynen,I'm trying to find references to
support your claims of $16M for BYU in 2011, and $1.4-$3M games. Please share
them.The only numbers I can find on BYU's new contract with ESPN say
that the Cougars will get $800,000-$1,200,000 per home game.Let's
say The Worldwide Leader pays the full $1.2M for each BYU home game (a stretch,
since I doubt ESPN will be paying full price for Utah State, San Jose State,
Idaho State, and New Mexico State). Thats $8.4M for their seven home games.That leaves three big (and I imagine very profitable) games on the
schedule - Ole Miss, Texas, and TCU. I can't find reference to any payout for
these games on the web. To reach the $16M mark, these games would need to bring
$7.6M to BYU. If you have evidence to support such a payout, please share
it.Don't get me wrong, I wish success for both schools. They will
definitely both be making a lot more than the measly payout they got from the
MWC. I would just rather deal in knowns than in speculation.
@ Veritas:Thanks for opining on the defintion of "packed".
75,000 - 80,000 people in the modern day LA Memorial Coliseum (track has been
removed, temporary bleachers in one of the end zones, closed off sections with
tarps in the form of retired SC numbers) is a pretty good number of folks to me
for the PAC - 12 opener. Feel free to get out of Fruit Heights and join us on
Exposition BLVD and Figueroa Ave in South Central for a day of urban culture and
There seems to be an awful lot of cougar folklore regarding $2 million games,
yet none that have been substantiated. Would any of you boasters in the
"$2 million club" please provide me some Google keywords that backs
that claim up? Since the DesNews won't permit links, don't
cut-&-paste one. Nevertheless, they haven't yet barred posters from
providing Google keywords. Just give specific details such as the title of the
article, and the name of the periodical wherein it can be verified. It might
also be helpful to include the date of the article for better clarification.
If Notre Dame joins the Big 10 within two years, I will forever pay hommage to
hedgehog. Once again, someone is pretending to know something that
they don't have a clue about. For starters, NBC's contract with ND goes through
Hedgehog,"I predict within two years Notre Dame will join the
Big10."I am well connected here in the North East, and I can
with great confidence say the University of Notre Dame has absolutely no
interest in joining a conference. A conference limits teams like Notre Dame and
BYU, who both have vast fan bases from their respectable religions across the
country. The Notre Dame revenue even in down years is over 45 million
dollars annually, And is valued at $101 million. They have a future game
schedule in Ireland, and are able to keep annual national rivalry games with
USC, Stanford, and Miami to name a few. This is the freedom ND enjoys with
Independence, and the NBC deal allows ND football to be available to every
living room in the country. ND officials and coaches have openly said they have
no interest in joining a conference. And why would they? Notre Dame will
remain Independent, Texas has also expressed interest in following the trend."Bottom line is networks are more intrested in conferences then
individual programs"Then why did ESPN sign an 8yr multi-million
dollar contract with BYU last year?
That 10.2 comment is just class there sammyg; and you have nerve to say you
aren't troll in an earlier post; classic hypocrisy. Really you Y fans coming
once again in droves on to a Utah thread offering smack says plenty about you.
Even though it is annoying it is in another way quite amusing to see people
using the "my Dad could beat up your Dad/my team will get more money than
your team, blah blah blah. Confident people/fans don't come on to posts of
their rivals and talk baseless smack. I guess we should see it for what it is,
nothing more than a sign of many BYU fans jealous and insecure nature; go ahead
and prove me wrong but I know you wont.
This just in... The Mtn. and Comcast have agreed to create a joint
venture college sports network called The MtnCom Sports Network, a regional
sports media broadcast company combining the talents of the award winning sports
broadcaster, The Mtn. and the expertise of Comcast, a national media distributor
through 1000's of cable systems nation wide.The decision to join
forces fills a regional need of the West Coast and Intermountain collegiate
sports media fans to watch the PAC-10.2 conference. Regional broadcast will be
limited to Comcast Cable TV subscribers within the PAC-10.2 Conference. Negotiations with DishNet and DirectTV have broken down and are not
scheduled to resume until later in the year.Bidding now at $4
Ibleedcrimson As they say in the investment world,"past success is not a guarantee of future performance"Just because Utah has played in a couple of BCS games, doesn't guarantee that
Utah will ever play in another BCS game again, at least not soon.And
the corollary is also true.Just because BYU hasn't played in a BCS
game, doesn't mean BYU couldn't be playing in a BCS game within a couple of
years. 11-2 seasons three of the last five years isn't that far away.Prior to 1965, Utah had won 20 conference championships, BYU 0.Since 1965, BYU has won 23 conference championships, Utah 6."past success is not a guarantee of future performance"and visa versa
I predict within two years Notre Dame will join the Big10. If they had joined
this past year the word is they would have been guaranteed more money then what
they recieve from NBC. Arrogance will give into the almighty dollar.Bottom line is networks are more intrested in conferences then individual
programs (of course you have to have the right programs in said conference). I
suspect the deal with the PAC12 will exceed all monitary expectations and a
"mega" PAC12 is only a few years out.
MAFU | 1:20 p.m. Salt Lake City, UT Price to be paid? Don't think
so. The game is in LA at the Coliseum. Moot point. Place will be packed.===Sorry, when has the "Colisem" been packed? Let
alone for the Utah game. Even the Raiders could not pack the place. The Rolling
Stones packed the place. Hir Mick and Keith as coaches..............hedgehog | 2:03 p.m. Ann Arbor, MI I absolutley
LOVE the idea of Sunday Ute football!!! ===Stoked for you.
Less of a Utah footprint because soooo many Ute fans will be in church, because
most of the Utah fanbase are good LDS people, like prophets, apostles and
members of the seventy......or not............Truth of the matter is both teams are better off now than with the mtn. Utah
has probably the best guarantee, which BYU is very close to, but BYU has way
more potential on the upside.I hope the Utes and BYU do well.Utah better focus on getting a basketball coach, and from the looks of
things, it just is not happening.Dreaming of Dave Rose just will put
you even with BYU, and probably won't happen.Tommy Connor!
"Can you imagine the payout BYU will receive when (not if) they go to a BCS
bowl"They haven't even been close enough to sniff one yet, but
anything can happen I guess. It's good to be optimistic."Utah's
greatest risk is if independence works fabulously for BYU. Teams like USC and
Texas will put more pressure on their conference for a bigger share of the
revenue or threaten leaving to go independent."Right USC and
Texas are already leaning that direction solely based on the the success of
Army, Navy and Notre Dame who all know a little bit more about the independence
game. Such arrongance!!!
PLEASE OH PLEASE let Comcast get that contract.Instead of The Mtn. the
Utes can have ThePac12 Network, staring Andrea Loyd.Ok, I never
could really wish that upon the Utes.
utes have more guaranteed money but less upside. But the truth is utah can only
get that kid of revenue through an association with more prestigious schools.
That is simply the truth. Regardless they are now going to get it. BYU may have a little bit less guaranteed but the upside is MUCH higher. Also
everything they generate is theirs. There is now split. There is no division.
There is no sharing. They get all of it and they are free to market their sports
in multiple ways to bring in even more revenue. My guess is BYU
makes more money overall, there are just so many ways to squeeze out a few
hundred grand here and a few hundred grand there and after awhile it adds up.Both schools just improved their situations by 10-20 x over what it was.
But BYU was already ahead of utah by 10-15 million per year in revenue and they
are also way ahead of utah in facilities so they won't have to spend their money
on those things like utah has to. Now we'll just have to see what
each school accomplishes with what they now have.
Wow! All the bantering back and forth reminds me of when I was in grade school
and used to argue with my friends about whose dad made more money. Reality -
both schools chose the best option and both are in a better place than the MWC.
I still think if it weren't for The MTN, both teams would have
stayed and the conference would have received BCS status.BYU's path
clearly has more risk. But higher risk can equal higher reward. Can you
imagine the payout BYU will receive when (not if) they go to a BCS bowl . . .
and they don't share it with any other teams in a conference.Utah's
greatest risk is if independence works fabulously for BYU. Teams like USC and
Texas will put more pressure on their conference for a bigger share of the
revenue or threaten leaving to go independent. Long term . . . there is no way
that USC will accept equal revenue sharing with schools like Utah and Washington
willary,Considering BYU will be getting anywhere from $750,000 to
$3M per game (which starts next year and not in a 3-year gradual build up), and
that fact that we control our own broadcasts, yeah... we still prefer
independence.Grats on your Pac 12 move though. Utah will do well,
The Utes will now always be known as part of the .2
utesovertide"will get 2 million dollars a year just from the
shared championship game"Check the fine print. The Utes won't
net anywhere close to $2 million dollars for the championship game after
expenses.On the other hand, the MTN pays about $1.3 million per year
per team for all sports. BYU will make almost $1 million this year just from the
Ole' Miss game.Going Independent to escape the MTN is a no brainer.
By not being part of a conference, BYU can schedule 5 or 6 Ole' Miss-type games
a year - Texas, TCU, Notre Dame, West Virginia, and Georgia Tech are just the
beginning. You'll see those games appearing on BYU's home schedule in the very
near future."Independence = great for BYUPac 12 = Greater
for Utah"We'll see.If Utah becomes a perennial
middle of the PAC team with regular 7-5 seasons, are Utah fans still going to be
excited about all that extra revenue?Or, will RES attendance start
resembling HC attendance?
Utes won't make 16 mil. They accepted scaled down compensation to enter the
league for the first two years. But no matter they will be killing what MWC
@BYUCOLORADOHaha, I want to let you know that because the Utes are
part of the Pac 12 conference, they will get 2 million dollars a year just from
the shared championship game (approx. $24 M) revenue. So we get $2 M from ONE
GAME too. And we don't necessarily even have to play in it (although we
will).BYU fans that comment need to keep in mind that the $16+ M
from TV revenue is for the regular season. There is an additional $6+ million
that will be distributed from the Conference Championship game and Bowl
games.BYU will probably get $16 M for their TV. But they won't be
sharing in revenue from an entire league's success in the post season.Can we just call it a truce already and see it for what it is?Independence = great for BYUPac 12 = Greater for Utah
I think both Utah and BYU will do very well financially. Utah's will be a
little delayed - not receiving a full share for a couple of years. BYU's will
be less than the 15 million number being thrown around. Regardless, both will
be much better off than they were for the last 10 years.
I absolutley LOVE the idea of Sunday Ute football!!!
"So before you go wishing for the moon just realize that there's a 'price'
to be paid. Hope it works out." What exactly are you refering
too, please tell enlighten me? Are we talking souls here?
sammyg,A very funny mtn. comment. Not being under the reign of Hair
Thompson is value enough for BYU going indy.
Price to be paid? Don't think so. The game is in LA at the Coliseum. Moot
point. Place will be packed. Won't be a major bummer for Ute Fans, just like
it isn't a bummer for LDS Jazz fans that fill the Delta Center when the Jazz
have a home playoff game, or the many restaurants that are filled with LDS
patrons on the Sabath (See Little/Grand America, Chuck O Rama, etc). Observance
of the Sabath Day is pretty relaxed down here in Zion.
Google "Notre Dame BYU Schedule"Check out the SLTrib
article. We will be easily bringing in that amount of money.
@williaryYou are not very informed are you Williary. BYU is
potentially getting 2.5 million for ONE GAME. BYU will be doing just fine. Also,
BYU will have the rights to broadcast all the games on their network, where they
get all the advertising dollars. You'd be foolish if you think BYU doesn't make
16 million in a year. Obviously the next year when we play the tiny schools we
won't be raking that in, but Utah won't be making much money this year either.
Get more informed and then comment. If you are thinking BYU is
making less than that you are a fool. We have six games scheduled with Notre
Dame. Those will be 2 million dollar games for each school easy. Independence is great right now. And we won't ever have to play on Sundays
(which is important to us, maybe not to you) which the Utes will likely have to
From the story's photograph, it appears that the poster next to Larry Scott also
shows where Utah will probably finish in the PAC-12 South.
Williary, just a quick comment about your $16 million and north of that.The other day it was reported that the USC game might be on Sunday if
the NFL doesn't work out their problems. That will be a major bummer for a lot
of Ute fans, possibly a majority of them. So before you go wishing
for the moon just realize that there's a 'price' to be paid. Hope it works out.
Some nice comments on the NFL blog on the Utes.This one caught my
attention... "Zane Taylor... had a vertical jump of 26 1/2 inches."
Let's see, if Zane who weighs 308 pounds and can jump 26.5 inches
why is it so hard for anyone to believe that Jimmer, weighing 195 pounds, jumps
36 inches! Pretty amazing.I can definitely acknowledge the
athleticism for both of these guys!
The Mtn. starts the bidding at 2 dollars.
Can't wait to see if the Utes end up with $16,000,000 a year, or more! Sounding
like the amount will be north of that mark. But I'm sure BYU fans
would still prefer Independence, right!
After reading these links it must be said again.It's great to be a