With each passing day I am increasingly less impressed with Governor Herbert.I look forward to combining my feelings with those of others at the next
The reduction in commuter traffic (and associated emissions) alone was reason
enough to keep the 4 day workweek. I wish more companies would get on board with
Re: Williary.I am confused with your comments, are you suggesting
this country become communist, in the alternative to capitalizm which
"ism" pays your government salary? Please help me understand how you
think all private small business run both by men and women in the country, and
who employees 75% of the work force, and which companys and employees pays 90%
of the taxes....are all crooks and dishonest? Please advise.
I voted for Herbert but don't like the picture I see emerging. If its anything
to do with education, illegals or state workers he's their champion. If its
about the rest of us who pay all the bills then it doesn't matter. We need
someone who is willing to represent the majority of Utahan's, not just the
special interest voting blocs. Herbert needs to go. Luckily he's up for
election in 2012. Goodbye Gary. Soon, we will shorten your work week....
@Utahshellgame:"Many State employees roll in around 9 am and
leave well before 6 pm." I challenge that statement. Please
provide the facts to back it up.@Cactus Pete: Most
government employees can retire at 30 years, not 20. Public safety employees
(fire and police) can retire after 20 years, but they usually pay a higher
percentage of their salary towards retirement.
re: TruemanGood point. Perhaps Government should be privitized?
Salaries skyrocket, benefits get a little worse. But more importantly, exactly
what I want with my tax dollars is putting them in the hands of people whose
only responsibility is to pad shareholders pockets. Makes complete sense.
Perhaps one of the numerous private companies who employees illegal immigrants
at slave labor prices? Perhaps one of the private companies who fudges the
books? Perhaps one of the private companies who hide money oversees to avoid
re: Cactus PeteYou're correct. Most state employees chose to work
for the state knowing that their base salary would be substantially lower than
private sector, due to the fact that years ago the benefits were terrific. But
each Legislative session slowly pecks away at those benefits. It is becoming
harder and harder for state departments to find really good employees with the
benefit packages getting less desirable, while pay is still awful. I find it amusing that Utahn's are so suspisous of Governments, yet are
perfectly ok with their state forcing out good employees, and being saddled with
a lower quality workforce. Is that really who you want looking after your tax
dollars?And yes, the majority of state workers work their 10.5-11
hour day from start to finish. Just as the majority of private sector workers
work their 5 day, 40-hour jobs from start to finish. Similar minorities in both
let productivity slide, either at the end of a 10 hour day, or after noon on
Friday.Having worked both, do you realize the scrutiny state workers
are under 24-7? Much more big-brother keeping tabs on you than private sector.
I hope there is a serious conservative challenger to Herbert when he runs for
re-election. Remember Bennett. Time for another tea party, things have got to
change or it will continue to get worse for us who have to pay the bills in this
country, which bills include paying for all those government workers overpaid
wages and retirement.
Don't let anyone say Herbert doesn't have a backbone to veto anything. He just
doesn't have the backbone to veto anything that takes courage and leadership on.
@williaryYou fail to mention why state workers chose government jobs
where they make 20-30% less than in the private sector and get to retire after
20-years.Do you really think state employees are giving 100% during
the last two hours of each 4-day work week?
@Red SmithYou sir/madaam, are very inaccurate. But facts are just
pesky little things that get in the way of a good ole rant, aren't they.Having worked for both the State of Utah, and private sector jobs in
Utah, you really don't know what you're talking about. Just repeating some
sound bites from Fox News I'd imagine.First, take a look around your
office come Friday after lunch. If you think productivity on Friday afternoon,
working a 5-day week, is anywhere close to it is the rest of the week, you need
to open your eyes and look around you. People leave early for the weekend, or
just check out mentally for the weekend. But I guess that's not a big deal
considering they make 3-4x more for the same job as a employee does!I'd wager every state worker would love to be "retrained" in the
private sector. They'd love to get paid what they are worth, on average they
make about 20-30% less than private sector employees. And their benefits get
worse each year as the Legislature meets.
all them federal employees can take them overpaid so-called jobs which is paid
by us ( the taxpayer ) not the state and get up and go to work 5 days a week
like everybody else. after all how hard is their job when it take 5 people to
stand around and watch 1 guy operate a shovel and if the state wants to save
money they can shut down the capital building because nothing is being done in
there except setting up tee time at tax payers expense of course and maybe if
the state and county and city employees would drive their own cars to work and
home like the rest us the state could save money to . why was a state employee
allowed to take a goverment truck to go fishing ?
@Red SmithActually the state doesn't require any business to set
what hours it keeps, the business owners themselves do that. If they feel they
are making money, they keep their doors open, if not they close.And
Forbes magazine ranked Utah as the #1 state for business in October, so I guess
there are a lot of companies out there that want to relocate here.And just like the private sector employees, state employees put in 40 hour
weeks for a regular wage, just over the course of 4 days instead of 5.But never let facts get in the way of a good argument.
I hope to help veto his re election!!!
The Governor has lost my vote because he did not veto the guest worker bill
thereby spitting in the faces of the hundreds of thousands of legal Utah
residents who are unemployeed or underemployeed and can't find work. Why add
more people to the labor pool with this bill. He is vetoing the wrong bills and
my voice will be heard in the next election.
The State offices are open between 7 am and 6 pm, but not too many government
workers are there between those hours. Many State employees roll in around 9 am
and leave well before 6 pm. It would be interesting to see if anyone in news
media wanted to check out the parking lots at the State offices, and it would be
quite clear what is happening. Don't forget, State employees are
also allowed to exercise a half hour per day on the taxpayers dime. Most State workers are paid any hourly wage, but do not punch a time clock,
and their hours are only kept track of by their supervisor. Many supervisors
also lack a work ethic...I saw this first hand as a former State
Gary vetoing a 5 day work week for state workers shows that state employees have
too much power. State workers need to be re-trained in the private sector where
folks work 5 and 6 days a week. How about the grocery store, gas station, and
UTA going to a 4 day work week (closed Friday, Saturday, and Sunday)?The state expects the private sector to be open 5 - 7 days a week to maximize
the payment of state taxes, but the state won't work a full week. Utah is
losing is work ethic. Why should I work a full week, the state won't. A state that won't work a full week is not serious about un-employment
or under employment. What business wants to re-locate to Utah the
state leader promotes a 4 day work week. "Utah - We're not open for
business 1 of 5 business day. Come do business here where we take Fridays
off."What happens in those last 2 hours after 8 hours of hard
work? Nothing. Truth be told, Utah could cut 1/3 of its employees and never
notice it. I can't vote for Gary Herbert again.
Four day work week has merit but Government departments who allow this should be
accountiable to make sure the people are working the ten hours required. I know
people involved in the program who do not work the required hours. This is not a
major issue I was told but should be required the departmens monitor abd keep
accurate records. Another issue that may be a problem is the employees allowed
to work from home. How do you monitor what they do, are they required to turn in
work accomplishments. I know of one that does a exceptional job from home. I get
a response when needed in a timely manner but then I have been told of another
one who works from home who's job very difficult to do from home. This same
person turns in for overtime. How all of it works I don't know. For me it raises
a flag. I can't say if it is bad or good. Monitoring the results critical if the
work being completed.
Yet there are other pieces of stupid, special interest driven legislation that
is passed but not vetoed. Pity. It's a long list this year.
I work for a living. I'm not a state employee. Count me among those who think
Herbert (finally) did something RIGHT by vetoing this. When I have
to take care of business that involves government offices, the extended hours
mean I don't have to take a day off work to do it. That is a great thing!
Has anyone else noticed how very SLC area freeways are on Friday's now that most
State employees are not working that day?On the flip side, I used to
take a Friday off from time to time to enjoy a 3 day weekend. Most places I
went on Friday--from the grocery store to entertainment venues--were fairly
empty when I did this. Not so anymore. Friday is as busy a day as Saturday;
I've changed to taking Monday off when I want a 3 day weekend.I
don't know if the 4 day week saves any money. I'm not even sure if extended
hours in the evenings is better or worse than having State offices open on
Friday.But I'm pretty well convinced we've got WAAAY too many people
working for the State of Utah.If nothing else, shift the working
hours of State employees or move their offices out of SLC and see how quickly
congested roads get a lot of extra capacity.Some old line about
"swarms of officers eating out our substance" comes to mind.
I guess we have a Gov that will not listen to the people, it is time for him and
our state representatives go! I can't think of one thing they have done that is
not against the will of the majority. They have pandered to every special
interest group and failed to represent the people. Vote them all out!
All I know is that I have yet to think 'it's Friday. Thank heavens the State
offices are closed!'...
Ernest Bass,Mike Noel went to the wall to support hb477, his leading the call
on this bill is also very short sighted. Time for a change.
Mike Noel had no right to change it up based on the fact that it was saving tax
payers money, the public was in favor of the shortened work week and so are
employees.This was a good decision by the Guv.The fact that Noel
wanted to change it without the funding to do so proves once again how
short-sighted he is. He's all about special interests.
This was a poorly researched and written bill. The sponsor sold a bill of goods
to the others. To passing a bill without any concern for funding is extremely
poor judgement.Personally, I believe this was the result of a few
power brokers who threw their weight around to help their friends.Some of this same people are the ones who went after Credit Unions to
adledgely help their banker friends a few years back. That bill passed but Utah
loss because the CU's went Federal. The power brokers and their buds cost Utah
millions. Thanks guv for stopping the another power run
At least some people seem like they have their facts straight. It takes a good
deal of ignorance to condemn state employees. The job of a State employee is to
help the people of this state. And those with "real jobs" should be
careful who they condemn. It may well be that you will rely on the help of a
State agency in the future (more likely than not, really).Veto'ing this
bill was a good move. Accessibility won't be fixed for the working man by
reducing hours and putting State employees on the same 8-5 schedule as everyone
else. Did you ever call in at lunch during the 5-day era? Good luck getting
someone. And the cost savings are substantial.Please open your minds, stop
listening to corrupt politically motivated figures and do an hour of research.
You'll find arguments against the 4-10 week and state employees have no
If, as facts-r-stubborn points out, the sate saved a bundle of cash by cutting
back services to 4 days, then why not save even more by cutting them back to a
single day?In fact, eliminate about half the busy work and state
mandated permission slips and the like that require legions of state employees
to show up and shuffle papers and frustrate taxpayers. That would save even
more.But, if we insist on demanding citizens comply with the
Byzantine maze of bureaucratic regulations, then we really should make it easier
for "customers" to navigate the maze. Perhaps more on line service
will balance out a cut back in office hours, but the better solution is to
eliminate the requirements wherever possible.
wish he had vetoed hb 116.
Try finding one government employee who can be reached by even the second
telephone call or cold visit between the hours of 7 and 8 AM, and also between
the hours of 5 and 6 PM. Why, they have their caller ID, voice mail, and since
they racked up enough sick and vacation pay, they only need to work 32 hours in
a four day week. What a bunch of crap! The taxpayers who have to work real
jobs for a living loses again. What's this country coming to.
Re: JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt | 3:23 p.m. March 30, 2011 Utahns
had a chance to vote for his opponent, Democrat Peter Corroon, last November.
Herbert won by a 2 to 1 margin, and Corroon didn't even carry Salt Lake
County.I guess we didn't want the same philosophy in Utah that Obama
has in Washington.
So Tami and North Stream I am guessing that your schedule allows you to visit or
call your government service provider at your discretion. I think this is really
great for you. My schedule requires that I provide my employer my time during
the hours of 8:00 am thru 5:00 pm. I am also in the service industry and as such
have to maintain a presence from 6:00 am to 10:00 pm. The cost of this service
is of course passed on to the customer. The extra 2 hours in the 10 hour day
give me the customer and tax payer the ability to conduct business without an
increased cost for service as well as not requireing me to have to use my time
off to conduct government business. However if you will contact your local rep
and let them know that you are more than willing to pay the actuall cost of the
covernment service you receive I am sure they will be more than willing to
listen. I don't work in government but maybe we can cut those that do a break
and show some support for the job they do.
Short of discovering a way to bring Utah 1,000,000 high paying jobs, I hope this
Givenor (as in amnesty giver) is voted out next election.
"Prior to the launch of the four-day workweek, Utah provided more than 800
services online. Citizens could renew their vehicle registration, create a
business, receive unemployment assistance, pay their taxes and much more without
ever visiting a brick-and-mortar state building or waiting in a line. These
online services are also available 24-hours a day, 7 days a week."- The Council of State Governments - Knowledge Center "This
is a win-win-win all the way around. It is a win for the citizens, who will
continue to have extended service hours Monday through Thursday, and now access
to the DMV and Drivers License Division on Fridays... It is a win for the states
work force, with 82 percent of employees saying they want to see the program
extended, and it is a win for the state and the taxpayers in terms of cost
savings and other benefits.- Governor Gary HerbertDon't
confuse the legislature with the facts, their minds are made up.
Contrary to what our legislature thinks a majority of the public prefers the
State 4-day work week."Results indicated Utahns preferred the
new work schedule. Sixty-two percent of the population thought the switch to a
four-day workweek was a good idea, with another 11 percent had no opinion on the
issue. Sixty percent indicated the extended operation hours from 7 a.m. to 6
p.m. was a good thing, with another 29 percent indicating the extended service
hours made no difference. Seventy-two percent of the population indicated the
modified work schedule was a good way for the state to save money, with another
8 percent didnt specify.""The final question in the
citizen survey asked if residents wanted Utah to continue with the current
four-day workweek. Sixty-six percent wanted it to continue, while another 14
percent didnt specify. From these numbers, it was clear that the citizens
believed the four-day work schedule was a benefit to the state and a good and
innovative approach for government."- The Council of State
Governments, quoting a Dan Jones Poll.Citizens don't like the 4 day?
The opposite is true.
"The state found that its compressed workweek resulted in a 13% reduction
in energy use and estimated that employees saved as much as $6 million in
gasoline costs. Altogether, the initiative will cut the state's greenhouse-gas
emissions by more than 12,000 metric tons a year. And perhaps not surprisingly,
82% of state workers say they want to keep the new schedule."-
Time Magazine"The state also has experienced other cost savings
through the initiative. For example, state agencies reduced janitorial
contracts, resulting in an annual savings of $250,000. Fleet services of state
vehicles also saw a dramatic decrease in usage, resulting in a savings of $1.4
million for the year. While not all of the fleet savings can be directly
attributed to the four-day workweek, it was a factor in the savings. Lastly,
Utah experienced a significant decrease in overtime paid to employees. During
the first year of the four-day workweek, overtime decreased by $4.1
million."- The Council of State Governments - Knowledge Center
Actually it does save the government money, and the legislature passed the bill
but refused to find funding to make it work.Why does every office
need to stay open if through a realistic compromise, money can be saved.Also this was an intrusion on executive authority, the Utah constitution
mandates that the governor is responsible for administration of state agencies
Tami - Does your telephone not work from 7:00AM to 6:00PM, Monday thru
Thursday?No offense, but people will find anything to complain
about. If offices were still open Friday, but closed earlier and open later,
you'd be complaining because you can't get ahold of someone when you get off
work in the afternoon. Not to mention the most used service, DMV, is open on
Friday at a few locations.The program has saved money. Not as much
as hoped, but isn't something better than nothing at this point? Instead of
having thousands of government employees commutting 5 days a week, those cars
are off the roads. That's a positive. Not to mention how many cities and
private companies followed Huntsman's lead. Many other states have also
considered the policy.If the 4-day work week makes it difficult for
anyone, it's the state employees who literally cannot make that phone call you
can because they are at the office from 7-6, M-Th.
I am disappointed. The 4 day work week saves the state little if any money in
the key agencies that deal with the public on a daily basis. Huntsman
unilaterally made the 4 day work week manditory without involving the
legislators, and that did not go over well with some. This was not
the bill to veto. Government employees who directly serve and work with the
public, need to work a five day week just like the majority of adults do. If
this were the private industry realm, I would say that the 4 day work week is
very poor customer service. They will have problems with CPS
services as there are some statuatory terms that have to be met regardless of
what the Governor vetoed
Keeping the four day work week keeps Gov Herbert popular with governmental
employees. It does not make him popular with the other Utah citizens. He
really needs to be voted out in the next election.
Too bad he didn't have enough guts or leadership to vet HB477
Sorry, but no we have not grown accustomed to Mon-Thur work hours. I can't count
how many times I have gone to make a phone call only to find that the office is
closed because it is Friday. I hate it and it is not saving money! Why couldn't
the guv have vetoes the GRAMA and guest worker bills instead?