There's really not a whole lot of difference of being crushed on Sunday by USC
as any other day. So what's the big deal...other than being exposed to about 14
million people nationwide on National TV. It has to happen to somebody!!!USC 42 Utah 10
TJ,Here you go:From the Harvard College Sports Analysis
Collective. The following is from their 2010 College Football Attendance
Rankings showing the teams with the most sellouts in each conference based on
percentage of tickets sold.Utah 100.98%
45,459/gameBrigham Young 95.84% 61,381/gameBased on this analysis, the Utes had the highest sellout percentage in
the MWC. So when we actually look at the numbers and don't rely on hyperbole we
see that you are wrong.As far as being careful what you wish for,
I'm not worried about that, especially in football. We have good coaches in
place and a good recruiting pipeline that will only be enhanced by the new
conference affiliation. If we didn't have ther recognition or respect we
wouldn't have been invited to join the conference. Why can't you simply be
happy with were your team is going and leave us to be happy with our direction?
Is your pride still stinging from not getting the invite BYU had not so secretly
wanted for so many years? I'm happy for BYU and wish them well.
Mormon Ute. Which games are you counting as sellouts from last year? During the
TCU game the stadium was only half full at halftime?I keep hearing
the word "exposure" thrown out there by the Ute fans and how it is
going to work for them. Consider this. How bad will the exposure be if the Utes
get beat down at USC on national TV. Will this negatively affect their
recruiting? The Utes don't have a 10th of the national recognition, brand and
respect of their brothers to the south so they would likely not be able to
weather negative exposure as well. Be careful what you wish for Utes.
Where's Stockton,You obviously haven't been to a Utah game in a few
years. We sold out more games than BYU this past season and have increased our
season ticket sales every year for the past 3. You might want to check your
facts before embarrasing yourself.
@ Wer...The utes attendance will be about the same as usual...half
full...regarless of what day of the week
HedgieWork the Ann Arbor angle while your up there... and maybe bring a
little Joy back to town by having the Wolverene's trounce the Utes in your
backyard. Now that would be interesting.
@kenYeap you're so right... watching USC cleaning their cleats on the
PAC's new doormat will be an interesting event...no matter what day of the
Duckhunter,Are you seriously trying to compare what nurses, doctors,
fireman and policman do to earning a living playing sports? You can't be
serious. Sports is only played on Sundays, because that's when they get the
most money. There is no compelling reason for them to do it like saving a life
or protecting the public. So don't try to justify the choice of pro athletes by
comparing them to more critical services.
A long time ago, BYU decided that playing any games on Sunday violated the
fourth commandment which is to "keep the Sabbath holy." That others
choose to interpret that commandment differently, or who don't believe in the
ten commandments at all, is their business. I don't care if Utah plays all
their games on Sunday, doesn't have an honor code or any standards at all. BYU
has their standards and if that means not being chosen by the "bigger
conferences" then so be it. Utah fans like hedgehog should enjoy Utah's new
neighborhood and stop obsessing about BYU's choices. I also think that
characterizing Utah's move to the PAC10 as "huge" for the state of
Utah is a bit of a stretch, but if it makes everybody there proud, good for
them. I probably won't be watching college football on Sunday anytime soon, but
if Utah fans want to pack res on Sunday, more power to them.
Well said, Magna Ute Fan.
As a Utah season ticket holder, I am not happy about the possibility of them
playing on Sunday. I won't go to a Sunday game, though I doubt I'll have a hard
time selling my tickets. Some Utah bashers want to portray Utah's
move to be simply about greed and money. I would argue that it's about raising
the University's (and the state's) status and long term survival of the football
team. Utah moving to the PAC 12 is HUGE for the state of Utah. If/when the
"super conferences" are formed Utah could not afford to be left out.
Staying in the MWC was a potential death sentence for all Utah sports teams. SO
they did what they thought needed to be done. The BYU officials
recognized that they couldn't remain in the status quot. They had to match
Utah's bet. So they did what they thought they needed to do. Now
we have some darn exciting football coming to SLC and Provo. Let's enjoy the
Duckhunter,I couldn't fit this in that last comment, but it is the
very same issue, as some the BYU fans have put it. They claim it was a choice
the U made knowing they would have to play on Sunday. So I am pointing out
there are people they idolize who have made that same choice and those people
are not condemned. So don't condemn the U for something we have little control
over. Don't forget, officials at BYU have acknowledged, they have been trying
to get into the PAC-12 or Big-12 for years. So don't sit back now and make it
sound as though we are evil for taking the invitation.If you read my
first comment on this article, you would not even think that I was trying to
rationalize this. I said right from the beginning college sports don't belong
Duckhunter,I guess you and I remember it differently, but the bottom
line is that kids like Stanley Havili can now play in the PAC-12 and go on a
mission if they go to the U and that was my point.So if kids being
recruited take into account Sunday play, how does that not affect recruiting?
That is what you said and I didn't put that into your mouth.I made
that list of LDS professional athletes, because some of the BYU fans on here are
making critical statements about the U for going to a conference that may ask
them to play on Sunday. They are saying it was a conscious choice by the U. So
I am saying, if you are going to condemn the U for that what about all those
former BYU athletes that are idolized by the BYU faithful? They have made the
choice to play on Sunday, but it's okay for them? Why do those people condemn
the U for this situation?With that being said, I am one Ute fan not
happy about it. As I said earlier, college sports aren't for Sunday.
skywalker,I didn't say anything about BYU's ESPN deal. Stanley
Havili had eliminated BYU from his list and was only considering the U and USC.
I think he would have chosen the U, which would have allowed him to serve a
mission, if the U was playing in the same conference as USC. The exposure isn't
limited to the time of day the games are played. All the national sports
writers will be watching the Utes play, because they can't afford not to cover
the PAC-12. What they say about the kids has a lot to do with the scouts coming
to see them live. This article and conversation isn't about whose TV deal is
better. The Utes move to the PAC-12 will be infinitely better than what we had
in the MWC, financially, recruiting and exposure wise. I have said nothing here
to compare our situation to BYU, but obviously you couldn't resist. You should
read my comments on some articles where that is actually relevant. I have fully
acknowledged the Utes could not go independent, so why do you persist in
comparing that move to our PAC-12 affiliation?
Actually mormon ute Havili did not narrow it down to utah and usc it was BYU and
usc and when he had his announcement on tv thoese were the two hats he had in
front of him and he picked up the usc hat. But that is a side note.But you are putting words in my mouth anyway, I never said it would hurt
utah's recruiting, I said it would be something certain kids would take into
account when making their decision. If I had to guess however I think they will
lose more LDS recruits than they will gain by playing on Sunday. But that is a
completely different issue than whether or not they gain LDS recruits by being
in the pac10. I'm sure LDS kids will take both of those things into account.Also I'm not really sure why you are getting so worked up over guys that
have played prof. sports on Sunday. Prof. sports are not the same as college
athletics. Playing prof. is a career choice that very few have the option to do.
It isn't even the same issue.Perhaps you are trying to rationalize
this to yourself?
Mormon UteDo you really think that playing a late Saturday night PAC
12 game on FOX Regional is going to give a player like Havili more exposure than
playing Ole' Miss, Texas, or TCU in much earlier national broadcasts on ESPN?The PAC 12, based strictly on geography, is going to consistently have
more late Saturday night games than any other conference. NOBODY is going to
play a game starting before 7pm in Tuscon or Phoenix.Remember Boise
State playing Virginia Tech at Fed Ex Field. BYU playing Oklahoma in Dallas
Stadium. BYU at Texas on a Saturday in early September and BYU vs TCU in Dallas
Stadium on a Friday night in late October could both be just as big and both
will be nationally broadcast on ESPN.BYU isn't going to duplicate
the exposure Notre Dame gets as an Independent, but it will generate MUCH more
exposure than Utah fans are willing to acknowledge, and, depending on how BYU
and Utah are doing, could easily dwarf the exposure Utah gets.Nothing generates exposure like winning, but having the right television
partner certainly helps when you are successful.
Duckhunter,I think playing in the PAC-12 will have the opposite
affect. There are kids who have decided not to go on missions, because they
were being recruited by top level programs and were told they would not have
their scholarship when they got back, if they went. Stanley Havili
is a good example. As a running back out of Cottonwood High School in Salt Lake
he was being recruited by BYU, Utah, and USC. He narrowed his choices down to
Utah and USC, but USC told him he couldn't go on a mission if he went there. He
chose USC to get the exposure he wanted for a possible NFL career. He wouldn't
have to make that choice now. He could go to the U, serve a mission, and still
get the exposure in the PAC-12 that he wanted.
BYUCOLORADO,Since you are trying to make this out to be so much
about choice. Let's take a look at who has chosen to play sports on Sunday.
Danny White, Gifford Nielsen, Marc Wilson, Steve Young, Dale Murphy, Bishop
Danny Ainge, Andy Toolson, Devin Durrant, Fred Roberts, Vai Sikahema, Jason
Buck, Bart Oates, Shawn Bradley, and a whole host of other LDS athletes most of
whom when to BYU that I could name if I had the space and the time to do the
research. So while your condemning the Utes do you mean to condemn all of your
beloved BYU athletes who go pro? There are plenty of other careers they could
have chosen that wouldn't require Sunday play. Just ask Eli Herring.
Also nomo last time I checked the LDS church owns KSL TV and radio. Both operate
on Sundays because in those business's they simply have to. When the church
still owned IHC they didn't shut the hospitals down just because it was Sunday.
Those doctors and Nurses that worked on Sunday made decisions about being in the
profession they are in as well. My wife, who is an RN has to occasionally work
on Sunday's and she is a full tithe paying, calling holding, member in good
standing. I would prefer that college athletics did not play on
Sunday's. I think they owe it to the student athletes to not force it on them.
But if someone decides they are going to do it then that is their choice not
mine. I won't judge them for it.
@nomoDid you even read what I wrote? I said right in it that it
DOESN'T make it ok but since it is their employment most of us understand it.Also I am not judging anyone for playing on Sunday whether they are
amateur or professional. That is their business not mine. I simply made an
observation that there are going to be some players that are going to factor it
into their decision when they are being recruited. There are also alot of fans
around here that won't attend a game on Sunday. But those sorts of
things are personal decisions and I'm not going to tell someone I don't even
know what they should decide. I can tell you that when I was a kid in California
I chose not to play Allstar baseball because it required Sunday play. But if I
had the talent to play professionally I might have made a different decision.
Anytime things are narrowed down to personal situations they are
different than institutional ones. If an institution makes that decision then it
makes it easy on the individuals. But an individual deciding his livliehood is a
different matter altogether.
BYUCOLORADO,I have to challenge much of what you have said. The U
still has a huge influence from the LDS students that go there. The LDS
Institute at the U is one of the biggest in the Church and the LDSSA sponsors a
ton of campuswide events that everyone is invited to. True, as a government run
institution the U cannot let religious principles control too many decisions and
the Sunday play thing is one of those. But I will ask you how many former BYU
athletes have gone on to play pro sports on Sunday? Do you question their
committment to the Church? BYU cannot educate all LDS kids. Some
years ago President Hinckley publicly encouraged LDS young people to go to
school where they live, attend institute and be good examples to people of other
faiths on those campuses.I think the U in the PAC-12 will enhance
recruiting with LDS atheletes being able to play in that conference and still go
on missions.You Bruce Pearl comment was an outright lie and an
attack on the U that shouldn't have been allowed by the moderators. The U
doesn't tolerate that kind of behavior.
Bottomline: it is the price to pay for being in the PAC12. And that will affect
some recruits choice. However, many BYU players go on to play in the
NFL. But if I was a recruit and I could not play on Sundays during college that
would be a nice draw.
@utesovertideThey are not obligated to do it. They chose that by
choosing to join the PAC12. There are countless conferences (The MWC) that do
not play on Sunday. It is just a choice the Utes made. Very
avoidable, but they decided it was worth it to them. And the Utes will be
expected to play on Sundays. They are not a private university. The divide
between BYU and Utah will grow larger. Everyone knows BYU will not play on
Duckhunter so I guess if you are a professional and its for money its okay to
play on Sunday..Kids in college who play on Sunday are far more honorable than
those that play on Sunday for millions of dollars. According to your logic its
ok if its for the money and you are obligated..You are only obligated to play on
Sunday if you choose to be a part of teams that play on Sunday. If a college
football player would not go to a school because they play on Sunday than he
better not even think about the NFL..Or is that ok? since he's making so much
Sunday is the best day for football, wake up and watch football all day. No
better way to waste a Sunday away!
@DuckhunterThere are 3 points in my comment, and it seems you agree
with them: 1) The people in charge at the U would soften the blow of any Sunday
play as much as possible 2) Utes have beat USC before (not saying its not a hard
thing to do, just saying it can be done) 3) Playing on Sunday is
"understandable" if you are obligated to do it. These kids aren't
working for the U, but they are given scholarships, stipends, etc. which is
pretty close.You're a logical commenter for the most part. My
comment was aimed at those who came before me illogically bashing the U. for
possibly playing on an occasional Sunday when many of them support the Jazz who
also occasionally play on Sunday. (The Jazz may not have any LDS team members,
but the Millers are LDS.)I don't just "lash out" against
BYU fans, but I do keep them honest every now and then with a different
@utesovertideYou almost made a decent post but there at the end you
just couldn't help yourself. 1st of all the Jazz are professionals.
That doesn't make it "ok" to play on Sundays but since it is their job
we all understand they are obligated to it. I also don't think any of the
current Jazz players and coaches are LDS. Then there is also the fact that the
Jazz rarely play Sunday home games. I honestly don't understand your
point, to be honest I don't think you even have a point you just wanted to lash
out at BYU fans. The truth is utah does have alot of LDS players and fans and my
guess is the majority of them would prefer not to play on Sunday. They would
probably do it if required to do so but I could see how that may affect some
kids when it came time to decide what school to attend. Not playing on Sunday
isn't going to affect any kids decision but having to play on Sunday very well
might. Once again I am sure those in charge at utah are aware of that.
Ken, you are wrong. It is the ONLY reason BYU may not be invited to a bigger
conference. Winning and fan base apparently have nothing to do with it as
proven by the utes and the buffs.
"The Utes are acquiescing at every turn right now"I guess
well have to just trust them to the Lords hands now, it's their only hope!!!
Chris Hill does a great job at keeping the LDS faithful Utah fans in mind when
doing scheduling. Ever wondered why most games on conference weekend in the
fall are away games or Thursday games? If the Utes have to play on Sunday
they'll likely do it on the road.For the record, last time the Utes
played USC on national TV we beat them, even with Carrol, Chow, and Davis on the
USC staff.I don't like the idea of playing on Sunday either, but for
the BYU people bashing the Utes for considering Sunday play if they are told to
do so by the league, lets all go bash the Jazz for playing on Sunday when the
league tells them to. Oh, wait, most of you are Jazz fans so that makes it
This is the price of playing in the PAC12. For some the price couldn't be low
enough. For others the price is very, very steep. Sad that the likes of
@hedgehog don't recognize that. Most Utes reference the LDS
leadership having attended Utah as a way to legitimize the U. However, we will
start seeing the number that attended the U dropping rapidly. The divide between
the U and BYU is growing greater and greater every year. Some are happy about
that. But they also have to recognize that some of their top athletes are
Mormons and the school is in Utah. This will obviously affect recruiting. It is
foolish to laugh about how "Utes" don't care about Sunday play in such
when a LARGE portion of the team is mormon.The Utes are even
considering Bruce Pearl as a coach. The Utes are acquiescing at every turn right
now. The divide will only get bigger and bigger. For some like @hedgehog that is
fine. For others, it's a deal breaker. Interesting times ahead!
If that kid is good enough for UNC, it's too bad we lost out on him. We need to
get our basketball program back to where we don't lose that kind of talent that
actually wants to come to Utah. I don't think Larry K is the right man for the
job. I'd rather see Hill hire an up and coming assistant from a solid program.
I've never been in favor of college sports on Sunday for any school. This is
all about TV money. The networks are worried about losing money if the NFL
games aren't on and they are looking for ways to fill that void. It's too bad
that money drives so many poor decisions that have a bad impact on our college
I would imagine the powers that be at the university of utah know their
attendance would not be good for a Sunday home game. The utes would play on
Sunday if the pac10 asked them to do so but I'm willing to bet it would be away
games not home games. I coach a baseball team with several LDS ute season ticket
holders and asked them at practice last night if they would go to a Sunday game
at res. All said they would not. I'm sure chris hill is more than aware of that
hedge,I know quite a few Ute SEASON TICKET HOLDERS that won't attend
a Sunday game at RES.For all of you that don't understand this,
there's a reason the Utah Jazz RARELY play a home game on Sunday.
Hedgie:I found a ute article to see if you read them. You do. I find
it funny that you spend your time on a ute article to go after the Y. Question?
is it the Y that you hate or the faith and honor. If the utes want to play on
Sunday that is their choice, not mine. So be it. They don't have to answer to me
just themselves. There are a lot of religious schools that play regularly on
Sunday, ND,SJ, BCU so what is the problem with the Y not playing.
Coach Whit.....former Cougar.Now Utah wants Dave Rose.....CougarESPN
football coverage....for the Cougars..but hey. Utah can get a beat
down by USC on Sunday. Wow I'm so jealous
Just for the record, not everybody can write for Bleacher Report, it's actually
pretty difficult nowadays. You have to submit all kinds of writing samples and
such and then they only select the best. There quality of writers has improved
tenfold in the last few months.
Exposure of Idaho State, Idaho, New Mexico State and Utah State will be
tremendous. Isn't North Dakota State on the schedule in 2012?
Although ernest that is going to still be better than being beaten down by usc
on fox regional.
TJ is correct. Beating Idaho State by 3 on byu TV will be tremendous exposure.
id rather utah did not play sunday simply because of the number of LDS kids on
the team, but as BYU fans justify it, its their job so its ok.
Say it ain't so.I like my college football on Saturday, thank you
@wedgieI know plenty of ute fans that will not attend a game in res
if it is held on Sunday.
Tommy,I see you're from Lehi. Didn't they film Footloose there?LOL!
Sunday football for the Utes. What will they think up next? Maybe they'll even
start paying the kids to play like Auburn and the other top programs do. Hey, a
little extra cash to waste on a little ol' tattoo on the arm. Great to hear you
might be getting a decent coach. Good luck representing our state.
Boylen missing on that kid from NC is just another example of his shortcomings
as a coach. Hopefully the U can get a coach that recruits athletic basketball
players that want to go to the U. Its really inexcusable. How can you build a
contender when you let athletes like that get away. I hope the U gets Larry
Krystkowiak and becomes a contender again.
"I know that there are several LDS players on the Utah Football roster. If this game does end up happening, it will be interesting to see if any Utah
players sit out of the game"PSzoob,Yea and maybe
Kwhitt will watch from his coach. Somehow you tds fans confuse a public, free
thinking liberal College with your iron fist honor code "school".And by the way, If the game was played in Utah on Sunday it would be
standing room only.
I know that there are several LDS players on the Utah Football roster. If
this game does end up happening, it will be interesting to see if any Utah
players sit out of the game. With the game being played in LA, I
can definitely see it working out. The Colosseum fits nearly 80k fans and would
have no problem filling up on a sunday. And I'm sure much of the Nation will
tune in to watch the game as it will be an intriguing match-up to see how the
Utes premier in the PAC goes. However, In 2010 Utah was beaten very badly
whenever they surfaced for a game on National Television. So maybe it
would be better if the game was kept regional?
It'll never happen. The NFL will get its act together longer before September.
Pre-season games might be sacrificed, but not regular season games.
College football games should not be played on Sunday. That is very
disappointing that this is a possibility. I had thought of going to the USC
game, but I won't if it is held on Sunday.
"If the game is in SLC, what kind of attendance do you think there will
be?"Google is your friend!
Great Scott (PAC-12 commissioner) Pro-active in promoting a great product - PAC
12 football. I too doubt it will happen but what if it does? National exposure
(for the league and new member Utah); Utah vs USC(!!!). As I understand the
arrangement Utah would get its full share of conference revenue from this game
(additional $'s directly related to Utah's membership in the conference) And I
would bet the $'s are BIG. Sunday replacement for NFL - WOW!!! AND WHEN WE
WIN!!!!! EXTRA WOW!!!
@ Oregonian:Where do you have Oregon State finishing this year? Here
in Seattle the talk is UW v Oregon and USC sanctions and that's about it. Seems
to me that other than on the road at Oregon, the conference schedule looks
manageable in terms of home vs. away games.
hedgie-Thanks for the clarification on the Bleacher Report. I
actually have a job so I don't have time to troll the internet all day so any
information from you helps out a lot. From now on I'll consider the Bleacher
Report as written by people that have more zeal than intelligence (same
consideration I give to your predictions). ps..You should probably
let the Utah beat writer in on your information too.
hedge,The fact that Dirk Facer quotes Bleacher Report's rankings
means he gives them some credence. When's the last time he quoted you? I suppose
since they didn't vote Utah #1 next year in the conference means they're a bunch
of "shlubs", right?
wer, It's at USC. Your concerns are valid, you should communicate them
to the Utah athletic director. I'm sure accomodations can be made. Oh, and I'm
UW Huskies fan living in Alabama that likes Utah and, like me, there are people
in the PAC-12 who are somewhat ignorant of your concerns. Folks'll be more
thoughtful once they understand. Even us Babylonians.
The article also emphasizes that there are a lot of legal hurdles in contracts
to make this happen. It is purely conjecture. I don't see it happening. For
one thing there will be NFL football in the fall. There is just too much money
involved for anyone to walk away.
I can't believe Boylen missed offering the kid from NC anything maybe he thought
the kid knew basketball and could see there was none at the U now. I hope
whoever comes in knows Utah and it's nuances. I also hope they know how to coach
(play, motivate , educate, recruit, etc.)
UTAH vs. USC - National exposure on Sunday.Nothing would be
finer.It's great to be a Ute.
Having a Sunday game is supposed to be an improvement, according to at least one
poster? If the game is in SLC, what kind of attendance do you think there will
be? Be sure and have the bishop move church meeting times to accommodate the
rush to Babylon.
"This is a little higher than I have them but The Bleacher Report knows
more than I do"Oregonian,I susepect most people
know more than you. Do you understand how Bleacher Report works? Any shlub can
publish on that site. For All we know they allowed the likes of
"bluto" to write the article.Move along now. Youve
embarrassed yourself enough.
UW fan here. You folks should check out Ted Miller's ESPN PAC-10 Football Blog
(no, I don't know why they haven't changed the name yet). He had a nice rundown
on quite a few teams and their progress in Spring Ball. It looks like USC is
just ravaged with injuries right now, not a lot of kids participating. I can
imagine Utah having quite an opportunity for good exposure if they can beat SC
at home on a Sunday. It's doable!
"The Utes are 6th"This is a little higher than I have them
but The Bleacher Report knows more than I do. I had Oregon State above Utah
simply because they have a good returning QB. I think Colorado will be tougher
than expected. 6th would be a great start and very doable. Especially since they
don't play the two best teams in the conference next year (Oregon and Stanford).
Re: Ken "Sunday game, and ANOTHER reason a certain school will
never be invited to the big leagues"Exactly. It was simply
several university presidents saying they will not allow a religious school in
the PAC10. BYU understands that and decided to chart their own course. In the
end, both schools did what was best for them and both schools will be better off
because of it. To assume the PAC10 compared BYU and Utah as apples to apples is
naive at best.
hedge;A major beatdown on national television is not the type of exposure
your team needs in it's first year with the big boys.
Ken,Great point. National exposure for everyone outside of provo.
Sunday game, and ANOTHER reason a certain school will never be invited to the
big leagues. It will be an awesome showdown!
If Larry Krystkowiak becomes the Ute head BB coach I might just have to stop
looking at the Ute's program an ongoing laughing stock. Kristko is a great guy
and a great coach. We loved him when he coached the Stampede here in the CBA.
Hire him and I will likely pull for the Utes again, though being anything short
of a welcome door mat in the PAC-12 for the foreseeable future isn't likely.
"Utah lost out on signing Wilmington, N.C., prep star Stilman White. The
long-time Ute fan, who received offers from BYU and Utah State, but not from Jim
Boylen, has decided to become a North Carolina Tar Heel."Did
Boylen do any recruiting this year? I've only heard of one new player coming in
who wasn't on the roster this season.