This isn't at all surprising for Rick Reilly who has been a BYU hater for years.
For him to pick one off game as his basis for slamming Jimmer, instead of
evaluating the entire season, simply demonstrates Reilly's extreme bias.Pick any player in the NBA - Kobe, LeBron, Wade, Durrant - and you can
find games in which each one of them scored over 30 points, but shot 35% or less
in losing efforts.Are you going to judge their entire seasons or
careers on one off game?Way to look for nothing but the bad, Rick!
Rick Reilly in 2012
I wonder if his middle name is hedgehog or crisb.
Rick Reilly tell it how it is and it isn't what you Jimmer lovers want to hear.
His teamate says it best, no defense played by Jimmer. Danny Ainge 4 ever!
That article was funny, at the expensive of a religion. I though. Jimmer played
a horrible last game. His gift was he curse. He kept trying to make those three
point shots with no luck. It seemed a bit much to say him studying his bible
affected his game play though. It seemed like an overall silly quote.
JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Actually, the only ones who agree Rick
Reilly's Jimmer hating rant are the very small minority of Jimmer haters, who
are mostly jealous Utah fans.The National POY honors just keep
rolling in for Jimmer and the naysayers are helpless to stop the avalanche of
accolades Jimmer is receiving.
I really dislike this article, but even worse was his article a couple weeks ago
on the high school kid in Iowa who forfeited instead of wrestling a girl in the
state tournament. The boy said because of his faith he felt it was inappropriate
to engage in a combat sport with a girl. Reilly went off in this high school kid
and basically called religious people backwards. A national writer criticizing a
high school kid following his convictions is completely inappropriate.Reilly comes off as a religion hater who is very biased. Labeling Jimmer based
on one game? How about Kobe Bryant's game 7 last year???If he
doesn't like Jimmer that's fine but at least present a good argument. Also the
quote from Nick Marineau about Jimmer's defense could not have been complete. I
know Nick and I'm interested to see how they got a quote like that out of him.
skywalkerAre you really comparing the Jimmer to the likes of Lebron,
Kobe, Wade and Durant? Brave.That being said, I think Mr Reilly
should have written this horrible article about 3 weeks ago if he wanted to show
his hate for Mormons and lack of basketball knowledge. Jumping this kid now is
just a cheep shot after a stellar year.I think I would take Russell
Westbrooks opinion over Reilley's anyway.I guess this shows how ESPN
looks at byU and probably every other university in Utah for that matter. They
are looking for print and eyeballs at any cost, just like the tv show "Big
Love". No difference really.
I hate byu and have for two+ decades. I have taken on people on these blogs in
"friendly" banter, BUT......I saw ricky riley's article
last week and was dumbfounded and ticked.Jimmer had an ASTRONOMICAL
year and he found a way to cut him low. I've seen ricky host a RAPIST on a tv
program and make him look like a saint. Now he takes a GREAT player and even
MORE AWESOME kid (yea kid!!!) and makes him look like an evil fraud.Reminds me of a place that talks about calling evil good and good evilRiley is a PUNK!!!
Sorry PAC Man, I am a U of FLORIDA Alumn but the parents went to BYU. Go
Gators!Jimmer was a good player but "Greatness" is not
him. Greatness is having toughness and tenacity and defense and overall
nastiness of Danny Ainge. I grew up watching Ainge and he was one tough son of
a gun, unlike the soft defense of Jimmer.Reilly calls it right. Go
Reilly is a clown. Jimmer had a bad game. So? He's also had tremendous games,
games that are better than any college player has strung together this year. 52
points, thank you very much. How many times did he go for over 40 this year? So
Jimmer made some mistakes. I coach lacrosse, and in my last game my goalie went
nuts and saved almost every shot. I don't expect that every game. I enjoy the
great performance and expect general consistency, but if he has a bad game,
fine. I just want the rest of my team to help out. But BYU lost 2 starters.
Woof. Reilly is a hatemonger and needs to lose his job real quick. Not just for
insulting our boy Jimmer, but for general religious intolerance and bias toward
one of his employer's biggest collegiate partners. Ever read his article bashing
BYU back in '01 for having older players? Geez. Such an advantage, right? They
get so mighty on their missions? Yeah right. I lost 15 pounds on my mission. And
that's pretty common.
While the way Reilly comes off in this article is trash, I don't disagree with
his points on Jimmer's NBA future. If he's picked in the lottery or mid-First
Round he'll be forever labeled as a bust, he's a Second Round Pick/Bench player
at best in the league. I enjoyed watching him at BYU, but Jazz better not draft
I would rather live 1 hr in Jimmers shoes, than a life time in Reilly's. Rick is
the kind of guy I would like to take out behind the wood shed and talk about it
Reilly is a troubled soul. He either lost alot of money on the game, or had no
game himself and is jealous of 'Jimmers' greatness. It's a darn good thing for
him that he hid behind his cowardness, because if my mother could have got ahold
of him he'd be seen crawling back to Bristol, having got wooped. Carma awaits, coward!
These are the type of people Michear Jordan thanked in his controversial Hall of
Fame speech. I'm not saying Jimmer is MJ (not close!) but who
knows? Maybe this will fuel Jimmer a little bit.
Wow, a lot of ruffled feathers.Let me ask you BYU fans a question.
Did you think this "exposure" you've been thirsting for would all be
positive? Really?Maybe one needs to reevaluate what the
word "exposure" truly means.
JJJHSGuess what Florida man, Jimmer has the AP and Oscar POY award.
Whatever Reilly blows out of his mouth is nothing but smoke now, everyone agrees
Jimmer is the best player there is this year in college basketball. Hands Down.
Reilly is way off base but what got me is that the Florida game is the FIRST
TIME he'd ever seen Jimmer play!!! That's shocking and inexcusable for an
award-winning writer who is supposed to know top players' games intimately
(notice he'd studied college game films of Maravich - why not Jimmer??). That said, I hope Jimmer takes to heart some of this criticism about not
playing defense and not stepping it up in championship play which HE HAS NOT
DONE this past few weeks!! He died in the SDSU MWC championship and then missed
his first 6 shots last Thursday night and just played sloppy vs. Florida. I love
the kid and he is probably my favorite BYU athlete ever, but I was so
disappointed to see him play that way on the big stage. Must be hard for Jimmer
to end it that way (it's not you or me or Rick that has to live with the
results). I've learned not to predict someone's future from one
hedgehog,please reevaluate the word "exposure" for us. Shucks we
aren't smart enough to know what it means. We'll just sit at you feet and learn.
I am no BYU fan. Far, far from it. That said, and although it has pained me in
many ways to admit it, Jimmer is an amazing ball player. I give credit where
credit is due, and he deserves high accolades. He has been fun to watch. What
has most of all enabled me to like him is his apparent lack of arrogance (which
is normally a staple for too many atheltes at BYU). He has had an amazing
college career--one that any other player would envy. Anyone who would judge
his college career or future NBA career based on his performance against Florida
has either had his head in the sand or is just plain out to get Jimmer for some
irrational reason. Reilly's article was silly, ignorant, and
transparent. Of course Jimmer has many skills to further develop as he
continues to play. There are certainly things to critique, but not enough to
write an entire article ripping him. Most of the "critique" did not
even relate to basketball but was more a rant on Mormon religion. Very disappointing from ESPN. Congratulations to Jimmer and BYU
for such a great season.
If Jimmer doens't do another thing in basketball he has already done more than
most people will ever do. an NBA career has noting to do with what he did for
his school and his fans. I'm not a BYU fan nor a follower of JF but you people
on here acting like somehow JF is a failure, better look in the mirror real
hard. RR comparing stats from 30 years ago is also BS, college basketball has
improved quite a bit from those days. Jimmer lead the nation in scoring at 28
points per game, if that's so bad where is the rest of the nation. defenses are
better, players are faster, stronger and bigger and no I don't think Pistol Pete
would be averaging 55 in this day and age. Rick grow up and stop acting like the
hater you are...
Riley was harsh, no doubt. Really just a case of bad timing, sort of. I'd
wager this is the first and only game of Jimmer's that Riley has watched. But
he was valid points, that were even expressed by Jimmer's teammate, and
shouldn't have to be defended by BYU fans.Jimmer doesn't play
defense. His teammates know that, his coaches do a good job of hiding him in
defensive schemes. This doesn't necessarily mean he can't, although if you read
some NBA scouts opinions he can't, but that BYU doesn't need him too. Although
in a pretty direct way, Riley is just pointing out what everyone knows.Jimmer has not been as efficient scoring without Brandon Davies. Go look up
his shooting percentages since Davies left. He's had more of the load placed on
his shoulders, and his efficiency has suffered. Still putting up the points,
just taking more shots to do it. Just facts.Jimmer is a terrific
college player. Worthy of his All-American status. But isn't Riley correct
that he failed to carry his team on Saturday?
RE: BYU StudentYes Jimmer had great games but how many of those were
against sub par teams? I respect Jimmer and think that he was a great
"college" basketball player. Rick just laid out his performance in a
big time game against real athletes and showed how that could be the same story
in the NBA. Jimmer followers have been talking all year and then one guy makes a
few comments and you all freak.
After reading ESPN's other article on how Jimmer will do in the NBA, it sounds
like most of these guys caught the last game only of Jimmer's illustrious
career. What???Nothing from the crew that's been watching him since
early January. This is really pathetic of sportswriters who get paid to know
their stuff and at least watch some games. You can diss Jimmer for a bad last
game but to throw the entire year out with it is pure garbage.
@JJJHS Funny, I used to live in Florida and follow the Gators and I have never
seen your comments from several of the blogs there. Me thinks I smell just a BYU
hater who just doesn't want to admit it, but follows everything they do and
waits for the "right time to make an intelligent(?) remark.@
hedgehog...careful (again) your green is really showing through again. You are
so NVS of everything BYU that it is really comical.
two things:1) Rick Reilly - consider the source, then ignore it.2) Jimmer didn't look all that with it in that game - except for a few
brief flashes. Of course, I've read a few pieces by Reilly which
should have had him rolling toilet paper instead of the news presses too.Jimmer will be a fine role player on the celtics, watch and see.
I don't get Reilly. Whether you like BYU, Utah, Florida or whomever, why was he
so vitriolic in his evaluation of Jimmer? The kid is in college. He never said
he was perfect. In fact, he's pretty humble.I reread that article
several times to make sure I wasn't missing some sarcasm, but Reilly was laying
it on thick in every paragraph. He also took a few unecessary shots at Mormons.
As other have pointed out, is it a bad thing to avoid getting drunk, watching
strippers, and whatever else happens on Bourbon Street? And why does Reilly
care? I'd like to think there is more to him than just poking fun at Mormons,
but he doesn't give me much work with. For me, Jimmer was a pleasure
to watch this season. BYU doesn't get many of these years in basketball, and
this year I loved. The loss to Florida was tough, but I was impressed that we
came within one point of beating a Florida team that had a lot of big time
athletes. Thanks to Jimmer, Emery, and the whole team for a great
You cant compare Freddett with Marivich, different times and different styles of
B-Ball. Just like you can't compare Lebron-Kobe to Jordan different times and
different types of B-ball. Yea with that no hand check rule like nowadays Jordan
would have averaged 40-50 a game. How about comparing Duncan to Kareem, D-Will
to Stockton, anyone to Magic, you just can do that. Jimmer is Jimmer he had a
great run hopefully its not over, and to whomever this Rick Riley is, well he
has his opinion we dont need to like it and I dont agree with it, but thats his
right. Comparing who was better Jimmer or Ainge well watched them both play and
they were both fun to watch, but I would have to give the edge to Ainge because
the shorts that they played in back then couldnt have been too comfortable :) Yes I know who Rick Riley is, never liked his stuff.
Ever since "Who's Your Caddy", which was very good if you haven't read
it, Reilly has been a complete zero. A one trick pony who loves to kiss Tiger's
butt and appeal to old white guys who golf and that's about it. He's become a
joke in the sports journalism world.
To Nomo: What exactly is a "hater"? Is it someone with a different
opionion than yours? Reilly may be dead wrong in his opinion of Jimmer(probably
is). Jimmer may be passed over by 3,5,7,or maybe even 10-12 NBA teams in the
first round of the upcoming NBA draft. Are they all "haters?" How
about Harmon? In a March 10th column he wrote about Jimmer " It doesn't
look good to complain. I don't like Fredette doing it on the court. But if you
are Jimmer and miss shots, the drives and getting calls or lacking them loom as
a big part of your game." Hater?
I invite all of you to go to Rick Reilly's article on ESPN and send him and/or
ESPN an email telling him how off line he was -- of course he probably won't
read it because he is too busy putting his head where it shouldn't be. However,
after I clicked send I felt much better for having done so. Also, I
am so sick and tired of hearing that Jimmer didn't play defense. If he gave the
same type of effort on defense that he did on offense, he wouldn't have been
nearly as effective in carrying his team in points and offensive production.
Coach Rose knew where he needed Jimmer to be 110 percent, and that just happened
to be on the offensive side of things.
1984 for life Sometimes "other opinions" are simply fueled
by hatred. If you're only looking for the bad in someone, that's all you'll ever
find.Reilly hates religion, or at least has absolutely to respect or
appreciation for it, and his columns have reflected that biased attitude for
The Rick Riley article was totally fair. When you are a college basketball
player that is talked about by everyone, all day, and you shoot 3-15 from the
3pt line and have to take 29 shots to get 32 points in the biggest game, you are
fair game. When you have a thing called "JimmerMania" and you play
like crap, you deserve some heat. Are people really saying that Riley is off
base by saying Jimmer is no Pistol-Pete? Come on, Jimmer didn't make the elite
8 and people are saying they are the best college B-Ball team ever in Utah!
Sorry, the 97-98 Utes made the Final Four and played in the Championship. Don't
insult Andre Miller with JimmerMania...
Does one game define Jimmer? I think not. Reilly mugged Jimmer much
like the referrees allowed Florida to mug him... at will. Reilly is a pitiful
excuse of a writer and a bigot as well.It was a 'below the belt'
cheapshot. Could have been written differently and still got his point across.
What a ZERO.
Who cares.For one, columnists are paid to write non-sensical,
"controversial" garbage, not rooted in reality. We have several
columnists in the SLC who do the same thing.Secondly, not everyone
is going to have undying love for everything BYU. Yet many BYU fans seem to
think they are being persecuted everytime someone writes something that is
anything less than 100% glowing praise for BYU. Believe it or not, people are
not out to get BYU. Everybody does not hate BYU. If everyone does hate BYU the
way many claim, how do you explain two SI covers in a row, the player of the
year awards and all the glowing praise of Jimmer and BYU from around the
country? It takes a lot less than what he wrote to bring out the BYU
persecution complex, so who cares?
To anti-BCS: Didn't answer my questions about the NBA teams or Harmon. Let me
add another: How about the BCS, haters? Or are you a hater since you go by
anti-BCS? My question isn't about Reilly. Personally, I see no importance in
his writing and his opinions are meaningless to me. ESPN also has a "5 on
5" segment where 5 sportswriters give their opinions on various subjects.
Subject 5 today is "What kind of NBA career will Jimmer Fredette
have?" Some of the opinions are not very good. Haters? Fortunately for
Jimmer, he should have the opportunity to prove these people either wrong or
right. That's the way it should be.
The reason the "last game" was so important is because Florida had a
deep roster of very long, athletic, guards and big-men. If you evaluate how well
Jimmer does against smaller players on teams like Utah, Colorado State, even San
Diego has shorter players than most of the ACC and Big East Schools. Jimmer was
graded against and NBA sized team in the highest pressure situation and he
didn't play well. Its a fair assesment. It doesn't mean he will be a sure thing
NBA bust. You have to accept the fact Jimmer is a slower, white, 6-2, shooting
gaurd. How many of those play in the NBA? 0
You can complain all you want, the article speaks truth.
hedgehog"Maybe one needs to reevaluate what the word
"exposure" truly means."It's gotta be so hard for
you. One tiny glimmer of hope from a disgruntled writer...and then more national POY awards trump all of Reily's negativity.Devastating!BYU fans are thoroughly enjoying the avalanche of
national exposure BYU has received this year, despite the yapping from
occassional ankle biters.
kallen001.. your argument might have some merit if BYU and Jimmer didn't beat
Florida just last year...Try again..
@kallen: you crack me up with your "white boy" trash talking. Jimmer
has a vertical of 36 inches. He can shoot from further away from the basket than
anyone but probably Reggie Miller. If you watched Jimmer run, he's not slow. I don't know why you hate white guys but there have been plenty of guys
like Jimmer in the NBA.Jeff HornacekSteve KerrDan
MajerleLarry Bird Reggie MillerJason KiddJohn
StocktonPaul WestphalJust to name a few....I think each of
them did okay in the NBA, don't you?And, I'd like to have seen BYU
in the tourney at full strength -- will ALL players on the team. They'd have
done just fine....
As much as I can't stand Reiley, his assessment of the Florida game alone is
correct. Jimmer struggled the vast majority of the game, and especially after
his 30+ foot 3-pointer near the end of regulation. He was ice cold after that
and into the overtime. With that being said, enough of the Jimmer
"projections." He will get drafted. Only time will tell. How many Top
10 picks over the past 5 years, which I don't think Jimmer will be, are
dominating in the league? Jimmer won't dominate in the NBA, but no one can tell
me he won't have a very serviceable NBA career. Also, the NCAA Tourney is at the
Final Four. Time to move on from a Sweet 16 game.
I love Rick Reilly's prose but this article was disappointing. His assessment
of Jimmer's professional future seems a bit off but the religious cracks were
the most disappointing. I would like to see if Reilly has the intestinal
fortitude to address this part of his column. Yes, a lot of people
love Jimmer and with Jimmer mania there seems a lot people that also want to go
out of their way to knock him off his perch. But I think BYU making the Sweet
16 and the MWC finals is a a testament to the player Jimmer is. Davies is
easily the third best player on this year's squad behind Jimmer and Emery. He's
also the most valuable inside player BYU has. Florida nearly made the final
four and BYU was right there with them. Jimmer had a bad game and bad
overtime, that is a fair and honest appraisal. But he also had games where he
carried BYU on his back. His defense needs work but he isn't completely
horrible there, it's just that his defense is behind is offensive game. Too bad and very disappointing Reilly decided to go this direction.
@ nomoThanks for the reminder to kallen001 and others that BYU beat
this exact same Florida Gator team a year ago in the NCAA's. The difference:
last season BYU had at least a semblance of an in-side game with Miles, etc.
This tournament Jimmer was a wounded one-man show when none of his teammates
showed up for the second half and we still almost beat them in regulation.Bottom line: Rick Reilly is a classless bigot who has targeted Mormons
and BYU on numerous other articles over the years-none of them as tasteless as
The problem with Reilly's article isn't the criticism, it's the Mormon bashing.
The entire article is full of mocking Jimmer and his bible study, Jimmer's
Mormon fans in New Orleans, and Jimmer's BYU honor code.You can
critique his game without insulting his religion, fans, and values.That's the problem. It isn't the criticism. It's the anti-Mormon aspect.However, Reilly is being called out for this hit piece by most of
America. That is good to see.
I really don't care what rick riley thinks but the fact is Cougar fans that if
we want exposure and publicity then some of it is going to be less than
positive. From what I have read this year the positive opinions that have been
expressed by national media about Jimmer and BYU have far outweighed the
negative ones. Jimmer did have a tough game against Florida this
year but he absolutely lit them up and beat them last year. He torched the elite
eight and super athletic arizona wildcats last year and this year. He demolished
the much bigger and supposedly more athletic Gonzaga players a few days
previous. He torched the sweet 16 SDSU Aztecs twice this year and twice last
year.He is going to be a 1st round NBA draft pick and will get the
chance to prove he can play in that league. All we need is to have some patience
and it will all work out, it already has worked out well as BYU reached a #3
ranking this year and Jimmer is dominating the post season awards.My
point is just appreciate how great this has been and ignore stuff like rileys.
Not saying that Jimmer is anything close to Pistol Pete in ability or
contribution to the game but it may interest some of you that while at LSU
Pistol Pete never led his team to the NCAA tournament. Yes, it was different
era because only the conference champion made it to the tournament during that
time but perhaps slamming Jimmer because BYU didn't make the Final Four might be
a little ridiculous.Also, Dale Brown the former head coach at LSU
charted all of Pistol Pete's shots in his career. Pistol Pete averaged 44.2 per
game for his career WITHOUT the three-point line. After Brown's charting
efforts, he concluded that Pistol Pete would have average around 57 per game in
I just need to separate the two themes in reilly's rant...Part 1)
lampooning a kid and his faithas I said in an email to ESPN...want to
impress me with your in your face humor there Ricky. Make fun of an Iranian
Soccer player while jabbing at the Muslim faith...whacking on Jimmer and LDS
folks for being grounded and having a value system..yea you'll likely get away
with it...but then thats why you felt safe enough to do it.Part 2)
lampoonig a kids game based on one performanceI've seen quotes from Derick
Rose (played against Jimmer last summer), Larry Bird (do I need to give him
context), too many others to count. The kid will be a good pro based on their
comments. Not sure how a buffoon writer suddenly has the expertise to evaluate
a kid's value in the league...I'm a Notre Dame fan, and was a Laker fan...trust
me I know Ainge-like traits. The kid isn't afraid...he has mad
fundamentals...what isn't Ainge about that? Ah yes the outcome of ONE GAME!
Coined a new Mashup "Reildiculous" - Reilly being himself.
I really can't stand Reilly's articles. Don't know him as a person, so can't
say what he is like, but very rarely do I agree with his assessment. Now, I am not a Jimmer fan, or a BYU fan. I was happy when BYU lost, and
don't know how Jimmer will do in the NBA. Very few people don't have questions
about how their skill set will translate to the NBA. However, I think Reilly's
characterization of Jimmer's lack of defense is a bit of a cheapshot on Jimmer.
He very easily could be defending how he was coached. Rose HAD to have Jimmer
score for the team to win. It was much more important for Jimmer to score than
to lock down the opposing guard. I don't know, but neither does Reilly.Reilly is just going to try to stir things up and present things to
support his argument.
nomo, one year difference on a team like Florida is day and night. Florida was
the ONLY team BYU faced that had NBA size across the board. Gonzaga is a good
team but small, and I don't even remember the team they struggled with in the
first round.Deal with the fact, Jimmer is NOT a good NBA prospect!
That was the point of the article. I really can't believe you BYU fans can't see
that. Thats why you are so disliked by Ute fans. You always think you are better
than you actually are. Jimmer, great college player. Bad first round
draft choice for an NBA team (based on his size and athletic ability).
Everyone bashes Jimmer for not playing defense, including the players he drops
35 points on. Go figure.We have a guard on the Phoenix Suns who also gets
bashed for not playing defense.He's won NBA POY 2-3 times.A scrawny
little guy names Steve Nash.And Utahcountyyute, relax, no one is
comparing Jimmer to James or Jordan or Nash, so stop with your little spin
game.We are simply making the point that these great players have
had bad games, and/or don't play much defense and have gone on to have amazing
careers.Jimmer will have his chance to quiet the nay sayers some
time in the future.But knowing him, he will show the class the neither
Reilly and a few others here seem to lack.
@Uncle Charles: WOW, now Jimmer is like Larry Bird? This is why BYU fans get
trashed by people in the media. You fans are myopic, you only listen to each
other. The difference is Jimmer is a scorer! Nash scores and passes and is
TALLER than Jimmer. You find me a 6-2 white shooting guard who is a
good player in the NBA (within the last 15 years) and I will admit I am wrong.
I though Reilly's article was a brutally honest evaluation of Jimmer's
performance in the last game. Jimmer is a gifted offensive player with amazing
range, who could not guard his own shadow, and who has a questionable future in
the NBA because of his lack of size, quickness and defensive shortcomings. IF Jimmer had been as great as everyone wanted him to be, he would taken
his team of blue collar players upon his shoulders and shot them to victory. He
did not! Instead he had a miserable night of shooting. Neither in the MNC
Championship game nor in the NCAA tournament game withFlorida, did he produce.
Those situations/yardsticks, where if a player is truly great, his performance
will carry his team to victory. Who cares how many total points
Jimmer scored against mediocre teams, over the course of year/career, when it
really mattered and championships were on the line, Jimmer did not produce.
Slow, white point guards that play/played in the NBA? John Stockton and Bob
Cousy come to mind. Not saying it's a sure bet Jimmer will measure up (and I
wish he'd played smarter against Florida), but he is bigger, stronger, more
athletic. He will learn to play defense. No guarantees, but I like his
chances.Reilly is an attention-seeking goofball
Take the hype of the last several weeks, take Rick Reiley's article and
somewhere in between is reality. Fredette is at times an unbelievable talent on
offense but basketball is a team game. For all of the talk of a historic season
the "team" shared a regular season title, lost in the conference
tournament, and exited the NCAA tournament in the sweet sixteen. Fredette and
Emery posted historic individual numbers in relation to their program, but if it
is a historic team there is a pretty low standard.
by the way hedgie, we all know who 'owns' the exclusive rights to the word
'exposed'. It was defined last year. Do numbers like 7-47, 3-28, 3-26 mean
anything to you?An Oscar Robertson Trophy winner is hardly
'exposed'.Chalk another "soul crushing" wrong prediction
by wedgie and company. It's gotta hurt, doesn't it?Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! Hooray for Jimmer and company!
@kallenAnd you are qualified to rate NBA prospects how?You see this is why BYU fans feel such a disdane for ute "fans" like
yourself. You think you know what you are talking about but the truth is you are
simply voicing your hate and nothing of any substance. We'll see how
Jimmer does in the NBA and then we can revisit the topic.
I think there are valid criticisms of Jimmer, particularly on defense so Reilly
probably has a point... he just went over the top.
To Duckhunter: Exactly.
FYI Uncle Charles: I wouldn't consider Jason Kidd and Reggie Miller
"white" players. I think Kidd is biracial (not sure about Miller),
but Kidd considers himself African-American. Now Jimmer's game is a
lot like those players in many aspects. He is much better shooter than Kidd but
not quite the defender or passer. I won't say he's the shooter Miller is
either, though he might have more range, Miller was a great shooter in the
college and pros (against the best competition--Jimmer's unproven). Miller is
also taller.I wouldn't say that Jimmer couldn't become a real good
NBA player. He's got more game than a Steve Kerr in the aspect of creating his
own shot. Kerr was a three-point specialist who didn't really create. He
relied on Jordan to drive and dish. Kerr was a good ball distributor but I
wouldn't say he had anything on Jimmer on that area.I think if there
was a player Jimmer reminded me of most it would be Jeff Hornacek, in some ways.
Horny was a good shooter and could create his own shot. Horny played better
The problem isn't that Jimmer isn't perfect (far from it) - it's that he's had
this amazing career and Reilly caught his last game when Jimmer lost and played
below his average. I find it pathetic in this age that a supposedly reputable
writer would only watch what is dished up on East Coast networks. What about all the NBA players who played with him last year or watched him
this year?? I'd take their evaluations far more seriously. Jimmer will do just
fine - the rest of us (including Reilly) will only make a pittance by comparison
in the next 10 years...
"As other have pointed out, is it a bad thing to avoid getting drunk,
watching strippers, and whatever else happens on Bourbon Street? "I think what he was trying to say was that being in that kind of...environment
might possibly make BYU players uncomfortable and somewhat off guard. Not that
it's bad that they're avoiding it. Of course he misses a very important detail
with that logic...what city is the MWC tournament in? Vegas.
kallen001"Jimmer is NOT a good NBA prospect!"Better keep your day job, because your moonlighting as an NBA scout isn't
going to work out.Jimmer will be a lottery pick.
Shame his column has no comment capability. Guess we gotta tweet him and e-mail
his network, folks!
Does Rick Reilly still write? Ever since SI dumped him, I thought he was hosing
down butcher shops.
Pretty sensitive people now a days. I think it is fine to criticize Jimmer on
the game he played. The thing is BYU lost in OT to a very good Florida team. It
wasn't that bad of a loss. I'm a big Jimmer fan, I think he takes as many shots
as he does because that is the game plan and the hand that is dealt to him with
the team that is surrounding him. The fact is without Davies BYU couldn't play
the same style of basketball. With the team that they had I would have liked to
see them run more motion and make teams work on defense - something like what
Butler runs would fit that team well. That being said you have to stay with
what got you to the sweet 16, and what got BYU to the sweet 16 was all Jimmer
all the time.
Jimmer's offense has been amazing, tremendous, and rarely seen. So when I raise
a concern about his lack of defensive play (non-existent) I am quickly inundated
with expressions of shock by family and friends.I love watching his
offense. But his complete lack of effort on D makes me embarrassed. Did the
coaches really allow him to wander around on offense doing nothing? I don't know Jimmer at all. But my stereotype of players that only make
efforts on the offensive end, and no effort on the defensive end, is that they
are lazy, glory seekers, and stat-line fillers.Having said that, now
allow me to pull a 180 turn around: Jimmer played 40 minutes of basketball, or
pretty close to that, in nearly every game after Davis went out. He had to have
become tired, and worn down. He even looked thinner to me at the end. He hurt
his calf. He was being grabbed, pulled, knocked, and worn down by playes
throughout the game to tire him out. I thought he played a gutsy game. He was
probably saving energy on the D so he could contribute on O.
Bad press is better than no press at all, and the Cougs have done VERY well.
@UoU: You are right, some team will draft Jimmer in the lottery to try and sell
some sideshow tickets, just like Adam Morrison. There stats are almost identical
from college. Morrison is one of the biggest busts of all time. Slow and totally
ineffective in the NBA. Face it your golden boy is going to be just like Alex
Lets get one thing straight, Stockton and Nash were never considered slow. Jimmer cannot play the shooting gaurd in the NBA. On most teams the
shooting gaurd is the best athlete they have. So Jimmer will have to play point
in most cases. How do you think Jimmer will handle D-Will, D. Rose, C. Paul, R.
Rondo!Its laughable, his 3pt shooting will be meaningless when these
point gaurds run past him at will, then post him up at will.I won't
even mention him gaurding D. Wade, Kobe, Labron... Hahahahah..you guys are
crazy.He will be a niche 3pt player that teams use at certain times.
Reilly went about making a point in a low-class way. Jimmer's play was
sufficient to point out all of its deficiencies, but Reilly was way out of line
presenting his case the way he did. Felt like an attack. Poor showing Rick.
Take a Chill Pill guys. Real classy to attack Reilly for his opinion. Out in
the real world, people can disagree and not get attacked for their views. You
know, someone else might be right sometimes
A NBA general manager will lose his job with the drafting of the jimerMARK MY WORDS
kallen001, some of what you say makes sense, but the problem is some of what you
say oozes hatred. If his size is such a problem, then why were most of his
points scored on driving layups among the trees after he had blown past the
"NBA caliber gaurds that were on Florida's team"? You make no sense.
Steve Nash can't play a lick of defense, but has been the NBA Player Of The
Year. And to say that Paul, Williams, Rondo and Rose are such great defensive
players is laughable. Pay attention, when do you see those guys play defense
against each other except in rare instances. To say defense and NBA in the same
sentence is an oxymoron. If you watched any of BYU's games, you would have seen
Jimmer blow past several "NBA" caliber players to get to the hoop.Can he make it in the NBA? Who knows. According to Frank Layden,Kevin
Durant,Westbrook, D-Will, and Sloan he can. So really, who cares what you think?
"A NBA general manager will lose his job with the drafting of the jimerMARK MY WORDS"That's one of the funniest posts all
day.Since when are you known for your prognostication skills
I thought Rick Reilly's article was SPOT ON!Way to go, Rick!The idol-worship of Jimmer must cease now!
Y Ask"The idol-worship of Jimmer must cease now!"Don't worry, Jimmer worship as never been a problem for you.
Isn't "lopsided overtime" kind of an oxymoron? If a game goes into
overtime, doesnt that suggest the game could have gone either way? In the game I
watched, it seemed BYU had an excellent shot of winning in regulation. Its not
like Florida blew out the Pizza Delivery Guys by 30. To me, most of Ricks
arguments dont hold water and many are simply stupid and some are even
degrading. I agree Jimmer didnt have his best game Thursday, although he DID
score 32 on a bum leg, but this definitely wasnt one of Ricks better columns
either. Come on Rick, you gotta look at the body of work. Jimmer had an
astonishing career and season. His growing cache of hardware clearly shows your
opinion is in the minority!
Hedgie, when was the last time one of your guys merited the full attention of
Reilly article, or really any article at all from a national stand point?It's been a while, hasn't it?
AZ Dave... classy would be for Reilly to write a piece without his religious
bigotry splattered in it. I'm reminded of the quote, "All that
is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."I'm not saying Reilly is evil but let's face it, he ain't no saint either and
this article clearly demonstrates the guys disdain and mockery for things moral
and decent of the LDS faith and others.As I mentioned previously he
could have chosen to render his opinion differently, instead he spews his
vitriol and many defend it or shall we say lap it up like "a dog goes to
his own vomit."People may debate the facts but it's the way
this guy presented them. He failed miserably and in my humble opinion I think
it's very appropriate to call the guy out.So in all honesty, in
light of what Jimmer accomplished all year and then this one game would you have
written an article in this manner? I hope not. We say things in jest in our
rivalry but this is too much.Now... you be classy!
Judging Jimmer based on one single game, a game he played with a sore calf is
foolish.What if he had only seen two games this year? BYU @ SDSU
and BYU vs Gonzaga?Wow, Jimmer and the Jimmerettes would be invincible.
I will allow Jimmer to have an off game.I will also allow Rick
Reilly to write some really foolish articles if that is his desire.I
may also exercise my right not to read his stuff.
kallen oo1.. BYU beat Florida last year..I know according to you the entire
Florida team changed from a year ago. This year Florida is so much better with
all their NBA type players. So much better it took overtime to beat a BYU team
missing their leading rebounder and inside presence. Wow I'm impressed.
With their talent and stats, BYU should have gone to the Sweet 16.Why didn't they?Just read Rick Reilly's article. He nails it!Jimmer is a scoring machine, there is no question. But he is extremely
OVERRATED by all the BYU faithful who have had such a disappointing history: BYU
has made it to the Big Dance more than any other team without ever making it to
the Final Four! That makes BYU the biggest "wannabe" team in the
history of NCAA basketball.Despite his inflated abilities, Jimmer
was not able to change that harsh reality.
@courgars1: your argument indicates that you are putting Jimmer on par with the
top point guards/athletes is so ridiculous. Size and speed is the number one
thing scouts look at. For BYU fans commenting on this page to not understand
that size and speed is a HUGE deal in recruiting players. Rose,
Williams, Paul all play defense. But even they can't stay in front of the guards
in the NBA. The three I named are elite athletes. You obviously never played
sports and understand the difference between pro and college athletes. I like
Jimmer and think he deserves to be player of the year considering the team he
had around him. I was rooting for him, I enjoy when locals do well nationally.
But, I don't worship him and am a rational person who knows 6-2 slow guys don't
fare well in the NBA. It's not a matter of "can a guy try and play D"
it's a matter of does he have the "ability". You guys are
like a kid being told Santa isn't real. Grow up
Espn should strongly consider canning Reilly for such a foolish article. Hey
Reilly why dont u go back and watch the entire season and look at Jimmer's
entire body of work instead of drawing conclusions from one game. Every great
player has off nights and an off night for Jimmer still resulted in 32 points
and 5 assists. Lets also not forget Jimmer wasnt the only one having an off
night, his teammates also shot poorly (14 of 42), so he didnt exactly get much
help. Bottomline is Jimmer impacted his team in a positive way both on and off
the court and was the most dominate player in the nation over the course of the
entire season that is why he has been named POY by several publications.
Uh, Y ask Y, check your "I hate BYU" notes sheet brother, they did go
to the Sweet 16.
Rick Reilly doesn't care about being right, he cares about his popularity and
his "showtime". And it's easy to see how he gets his popularity:
stirring the pot (see also Glenn Beck and Keith Olberman).When it
comes to BYU, he's the yang to Dick Harmon's yin.When you have such
hype like "Jimmermania," there is bound to be a backlash. Why are so
many fans surprised by this?So, Rick Reilly gave plenty of
soundbites to be proven wrong..but he's already moved on and left all 80 of us
on this article deal with his aftermath.From a journalism
standpoint, that's money.
I didn't find the LDS comments in Reilly's article to be offensive, although
they weren't very funny either (more like tired and unoriginal). And I don't
think Reilly should be fired over one lousy article either.However,
it does seem like LAZY journalism to judge a Jimmer's career and professional
potential based on only one game when he shot poorly.
Y ask Y:BYU made the sweet 16 BTW, consult your bracket. They actually played up to their seed and lost to the higher seed Florida from
what was considered a high powered conference (SEC). Like I said in
original post. I generally like Reilly. IMO he's a great writer. But
obviously he has some anti-BYU (or anti-Mormon or anti-religion) bias. This
article is disappointing. Again, his research on Jimmer seems shallow but the
anti-religious (BYU/Mormon) flavor or tone is more disconcerting. And I also
don't like journalists piling on college kids, if he was in the professional
leagues and making a living I would be more comfortable with this piece.
kallen001Get back to us when you learn something about NBA
basketball because obviously you don't have a clue.MiPYou should check out Dan Patrick's castigation of Rick Reilly's Jimmer-hating
article. Do a google search and you'll find that considerly more than the 80
bloggers here felt Reilly was way out of line.
kallen, grow up? That's the best you can do? I never put Jimmer in the same
class with Williams or Paul, you were the first to mention them in the same
breath, not me. I was simply giving a defense for Jimmer. Like I said earlier.I
have no idea how Jimmer will do in the association. I will freely admit to that.
You however, act like you are the number one scout for all NBA teams. We all
know better. Until we see him play a season or two in the NBA, NO one really
knows what he will do; including you. If there were really a sure fire way of
knowing what a player would do in the NBA, Jordan would have been the number one
pick. Get the point? In reality, it sounds like you are the one who is far
removed from sports of any kind because you are claiming to know something that
no one really knows about a player. Jimmer may or may not make it in the NBA. I
have no allusions either way. Do you?
BTW kallen, Steve Nash was not drafted for his size and speed, so according to
you, NBA scouts and teams even get it wrong sometimes. Oh snap!
Jimmer is first team All-American. Enough said.
I was at that game in the Huntsman Center when Santa Clara beat AZ. He (Nash)
was the best player on the court and well thought of by most scouts then...
Oh so we are supposed to discount Riley for being a no-nothing hack but Dan
Patrick knows all about how good Jimmer will be? Like Rick Riley or not he is a
very popular writer with a number a best-selling books. I don't care much for
him but he is a successful sports writer. So Riley should be fired
because he thinks Jimmer will be a flop? Please, or is it that he said LDS
people were uncomfortable on Burbon St? Wow, what a bigot! He states that he
thinks Jimmer is a very good kid who reads his bible. Oh no! Let's get him
fired! He watched Jimmer and gave his opinion that Jimmer looked
slow and undersized and came to a rational conclusion that he will struggle in
the NBA. And when a reporter asks Westbrook and Slone if Jimmer will
be a good NBA player do you think it would be a good mfather them say "no,
he is slow and will be limited"?
Rick Reilly is going to get Jimmered!!
Y ask YWhat exactly has Utah done in the tournament besides always
losing to Kentucky? Even in that meaningless 1944 season, the Utes lost to
Kentucky in the real championship tournament of the day.
BYU popularity poll ...1) Jimmer Fredette2) Ty Detmer3)
Steve Youngvvv76,347) Bryant Gumbel76,348) Rick ReillyGreat day for Mr. Gumbel!!
I find alot of these comments very interesting. If you say anything negative
about Jimmer you are all of a sudden a BYU hater. If you say anything about
Jimmer not making it in the NBA, you know nothing about the NBA. Let's face it,
unless you are an NBA scout, you don't really know it Jimmer will be drafted in
the first round or not. The wait is just driving everyone to the point that they
have to lash out at everyone else. It is time for everyone to quit speculating
and try to find some patience. It will not effect you personally at all if
Jimmer makes big in the NBA or if he tanks.
Jimmer will never last in the NBA.......(see Plaisted, Hansen, Bower, Cummard,
Tavarnari).It's a known fact that Jimmer can shoot, he just can't
defend and you have to be versatile in the NBA. So if you want to get
"JIMMERED" may I suggest that you move to Europe, Israel or
Russia........then you'll see him play!!It's a tough pill to swallow
Kitties!!! Face it, embrace it and be ready to find a new Coach in the upcoming
@Y Ask YNot sure what tournament you've been following, but BYU DID
reach the Sweet-16.Most of the posts bashing BYU and Jimmer can
easily be translated into one simple sentence."We're jealous
Ute fans whose team has just had back-to-back losing seasons. If only it were
@KallenNobody cares that Reilly was critical of Fredettes game, it's
the fact that he questioned Jimmer's religion for being the problem with his
game.Go back and re-read the article. He said nothing complimentary
about Fredette's religion. What he said was that his Bible reading "maybe
is the problem?"If you think that is fair to say, then so be
it. But let's not try to change the context of Reilly's article.Whether or not Jimmer is an NBA stud or flop is not the controversy here. The
controversy is whether or not it is okay that Reilly questioned Jimmer's
religion as being a problem for his game.Maybe that is cool with
you, but obviously, for most of America, it is not.
Reilly had every right to say what he said. Its called his 1st Amendment rights!
Have Deseret News ever heard of that one? After all, there are always going to
be people like that out there and Jimmer will have to deal with that if he
pursues on to the next level. But I didn't loos any sleep over the article since
there is other issues more important in life than this!
Freedom of speech is a wonderful right, but it doesn't make Reilly's opinion
right. We put this guy where he is today because we read his opinion. If you
want to discredit his position, stop reading his column. His popularity is
based on polls, not propriety.
My life is fuller, I can enjoy work ethic by younger and older athletes, great
plays and so forth, without the negativity of smart-aleck commentator who have
built up a reputation for their attempts to tear down others. We used to call
those people bullies. Now we call them color analysts and commentators. I am
not a BYU fan, but Jimmer, who still got 32 points regardless of how many shots
it took with bigger Florida players in his face (and manhandled though he was),
struggled precisely because Florida was the better team. Like to see Reilly and
the others like him who no one seems to like, but who everyone but me knows, go
up against Florida's bench. Heck, BYU's bench, on a solid day, would give him
and his ego a run for their money. Great NCAA this year. Lots of upsets and
exciting basketball. Thanks to the schools involved for making it worth
watching. Butler or VCU as the champions would cap it off nicely!
If someone has the time to rip a model citizen, hard working, great college
basketball player, it's God's way of telling Reilly he has too much time on his
hands. The world of sports has plenty of ills on it's dark side to investigate
without taking a cheap shot at a good kid!
I have not read his article but coming from SEC country I bet any team in the
SEC would have loved to have Jimmer and that includes Florida UK or any other
team in the SEC, SO Reiley wake up and smell what the Jimmer Cooked.
Love Rick Reilly. You people are way too sensitive.And everything he wrote
was true...so what about THAT?
Lets review. Jimmer bombs away from 3....lots of NBA players do. But he stands
around, cherry picking, he can't jump over a phone book, he's soft.The NBA
will eat him alive.He should play in Greece.
If Reilly's censors were as tough as ours his article would not have been
published. He, and the press in general, live by one standard while we must
abide by theirs. Jimmer is a great young man and few, if any, of his critics
could square off with him even standing on a nine foot ladder next to the
basket.Look at the bright side, Jimmer and BYU delighted fans coast
to coast and beyond while their critics did what?
No, no, you misunderstand. BYU in general, and Jimmer in specific did NOT show
up at the Sweet 16! That is why they LOST!If the BYU that was hyped
would have shown up at the Sweet 16, they would have won!That is my
point. Overhyped, overrated, Jimmer-mania... what a joke! The wishful thinking
of BYU fans knows no bounds.It is really sad.By the way,
I am a graduate of BYU. I'm just not blinded by the silly religious fervor like
most others.Rick Reilly was exactly right. Jimmer is a waste on
defense. He choked and forced so many ridiculous shots. And he turned the ball
over repeatedly.Jimmer may be able to single-handedly win a game
once in a while, but he single-handedly LOST the Sweet 16 game by NOT SHOWING
Good Lord people, relax. Just one columnist among a nation of them. If you are
going to get your feathers ruffled every time the media says something you don't
like, you are going to be angry a whole lot the time. Get over it already!
The people are a bit oversensitive because they put Jimmer on the level of
walking on water, when in reality he is only a guy who shoots a lot and can't
get his team past the round of 16.
Riley was making a joke about Jimmer reading his bible. This is why Utah get it
reputation for being a silly state. We have a bunch of people who can't handle
someone taking a swipe at our local B-ball player, or even mentioning a
bible!I would love to know how old some of you are on this board.
The "take my ball and go home" attitude is hillarious considering the
fact most of you are likley adult men.
Y Ask Y,I always find it amusing when people throw around the word
"overrated" so haphazardly. It is almost as if you, and others who do
so, have little to no understanding of what the word even means.The
#10 team in the country lost to a higher seed, in overtime, when the field was
narrowed from 16 to 8. Reason would dictate that any team ranked 9-16 that
loses in the Sweet 16 would have been ranked exactly where they belong. Perhaps
you could indicate the final rating that BYU received that was proven to be too
high (Hint: a 3 seed losing to a 2 seed in overtime would indicate that the
seeding was quite accurate as well).
All these opinions, coming from the Mike in Sandy's of the World......Guys who never earned as much as a high school letter, are telling us how it
is? Paleeze.Talk about over hyped inflated egos, look in the mirror
critics.You losers can't tie this kids shoes.Can't jump?
Have you even watched Jimmer?36" vetricle leap, check out his jump
shots. You just completely ignorant.Can't jump over a phone boook?
Mike in Sandy, I doubt you can read a phone book.Go back and watch,
research, become informed, and see Jimmers body of work this year. It is one for
the ages.The naysayers are speaking with no knowledge or
objectivity. Really you are embarassing yourself.
What does Rick Reily know? Really. Did the guy play or coach college? NBA? NOPE
- neither. Sports writers on the national scene are only impressed if you play
for North Carolina or Kentucky. Who care what he thinks anyway. Jimmer is a
first team All-American and that speaks alot louder than some writer.
Hey Bluto.I played hockey for 4 years at Wisconsin on full
scholarship.Could have played first base if baseball was my thing, and
tennis was also an option.Jimmer is nothing more than a good player
in a so-so conference.You people need a huge reality check.36" vertical? What.....Off a diving board?
Sticks and stones, what a jealous baby.
The truth hurts, and that's why you overly-sensitive types are mad at Reilly, at
Mike in Sandy, at all of those who speak the truth.I hope Jimmer
makes it, but there are 75 players I saw in the tournament that would get
drafted before him.And his team was also taken in by this crazy
Jimmermania. How else do you explain nobody else being in double figures in the
loss?Jimmer will sit on a NBA bench, or play in Europe, and sorry,
but your clinging to him like some kind of savior is more embarrassing than
anything a detractor posted here.Have a nice day!
Ask VCU how much they care about what any clown ESPN "experts" are
saying. See Dickie V.
I live in Colorado. In fact I live quite near Mr. Reilly. Notwithstanding Mr.
Reilly's celebrity status, from what I know of the individiual his comments in
either SI or on ESPN have no relevance. I refuse to read him or watch him.
Mike in Sandy ..Should'a could'a would'a sounds about right so how did that
hockey thing go? NCAA player of the year? I didn't think so. I noticed none of
your other could have sports were basketball but your on an expert on
Lia,So what NBA team do you scout for again?Yeah I thought so. So
how about you name those 75 players better than Jimmer, who averaged more points
a game, has more range and has more wins, lets's hear your "expert"
picks..,,,, crickets I have watched a lot of the tourney games and for one
I was not impressed at all with Sullinger from OSU. Deibler, Craft and Lighty
are all better than he is in my "expert" opinion.
Lia/Mike in Sandy"good player in a so-so conference"???The truth is the jealous whiners can't stand the fact that Jimmer has
already received numerous National Player of the Year awards and was the LEADING
vote getter for AP 1st Team All American, so the only thing they have left to
combat their own insecurities is bury their heads in the sand and pretend that a
hatchet job by a BYU/Mormon-hating hack represents reality.I'd love
to see Mike in Sandy try to cover Jimmer's cross-over dribble.
the proof will be in the pudding - the NBA draft. If Jimmer is drafted and then
makes a team and then contributes ... all the other noise from the Rick Riely's
of the world don't mean squat.
I didn't like the column, but did Reilly (often one of my favorite writers)
speak the truth?"A little Maravich?" No. He is not as
good as Pete in any phase of the game -- except defense."As
good as Ainge?" No. I saw Ainge make a steal by diving from behind a
player and catching the dribble like it was a fumble. Saw him hammer breakaway
dunks like Karl Malone. Fredette and Emery broke his records... by playing more
total games. Ainge was high school All-American -- in three sports. Starter in
NBA and MLB."Fredette didn't have a single game-winning shot
all year." Not true. He didn't have a buzzer beater, but did have game
winners: "Trailing by one with 10 seconds to play, BYU gets a go-ahead
3-pointer from Fredette, and Charles Abouo ices the game with two free
throws" Seems like that 3 was a winner. It also seemed like the runs he
made to crush Elite 8 San Diego twice were game winners, as was the 49 against
Utah, the 52 against New Mexico, the nine assists against San Diego, his
performance against Gonzaga...
Reilly is (like most media) cynical and loves the NBA status quo of gang culture
and resents any player changing that image.
I totally agree with Rick Reilly's article. Jimmer doesn't play defense and is
the definition of a "ball-hog". The reason why BYU lost the game is
because Jimmer played no defense, and because he made the offense
I saw Reilly interviewed about Jimmer, and didn't find it as objectionable.
What I objected to in Reilly's article was his focus on the weaknesses in
Jimmer's game, rather than a complete review:Is Jimmer a defensive
force? No. Is he "the best offensive player in the world," as
Durrant said? No, but you better guard him when he comes out of the tunnel.
Do you think the Heat, the Magic, the Lakers, the Celtics, would
want to have the kid on their team? In a New York Knicks minute!Is
he "slow, can't jump" as some on here said? You'd have to be blind to
think that. He elevates on his shot -- as many analysts have said -- better
than most. If he's slow, what does it say about the guys he's blown past the
couple years -- some of them All-Americans themselves? He's missed some dunks
-- happens nightly in the NBA.The religious references just felt
off, too.Reilly often takes heat from other writers. Jealously.
He's he most awarded in sports. But this seemed a little Pete Vecsey to me, and
even Vescey would consider that an insult.
Blake,If anyone else on the team had been hitting that night, Jimmer
would've passed more. He had nine assists at San Diego when his teammates were
on. Abuou was horrible that night, Hartsock bad, Emery started hot and then
went cold. Jimmer was the best option at the time. It just happened that the
whole team was cold, despite good looks. Yet they still went to O.T. against a
team that missed out on the Final Four by O.T.. They were inches from the Final
Four. Sometimes you win the Derby, and sometimes you lose by a nose.
OK. We saw that Fredette was not infallible last game. He sometimes shoots when
he should pass and he could play better defense.. . .but, the way he played was
the role assigned to him by Coach Rose. He was SUPPOSED to shoot a lot and win
games for the team, and he was SUPPOSED to play defense so as to not get in foul
trouble. Rose could have pulled in the reigns on Jimmer but (to his credit) he
didn't. If you look at Jimmer's total body of work this year against many
quality teams, his performance deserved suparstar status. He WAS terrific. To
say otherwise is just plain ignorant, or out of spite for him, his school or his
religion.There is always room in the NBA for someone who knows how
to score.That, indisputably is exactly what Jimmer does better than any college
basketball player in the country. To say he won't get drafted and play in the
NBA (barring injury) is just plain ludicrous. Having said that, I
would agree that Jimmer is probably not quite as rounded of a ball player as
Does anyone remember Larry Bird's Indiana State game against Magic Johnson and
Michigan State in the NCAA Championship game. Larry Bird was the POY and
scoring leader that year. In that championship game he could not have thrown
the ball in the Atlantic Ocean he was so cold. He was a senior and Magic was a
Sophomore and Magic and Michigan State won the game. Did that one game set the
tone for Larry Bird's NBA career? I think not. Jimmer's future will be
determined in the future.
To SPortscenter,I'd just check him into the boards. Just like what
is going to happen when he takes his nonchalant, "watch this' attitude into
Its funny, when Allen Iverson shot the ball 29 times and went 3-15 from the line
you same fans call him a ball hog and a thug. When your precious Jimmer does it,
its because thats the "game plan".Hypochrites
There are many people out there that try to justify the fact that James F.
played soft on defense. Have these people ever heard of the old saying
"defense wins championships?" Obviously, if he was told not to play
hard on defense,then it is not surprising that the team only went to the sweet
sixteen. If James F. played soft defense on a Majarus coached team, he would be
on the bench.
A person who is really good will always be panned by small people who only
worship what they see in the mirror each morning!
Mike in Sandy You'd have a hard time checking him into the boards,
while you're screaming in pain from two broken ankles.What you call
"nonchalant" is simply a hardnosed competitor with extreme
confidence.Jimmer will be banking NBA big bucks, while you're still
dreaming of what it would have been like to play professional sports. If you
were really any good, you would have at least played on a minor league team.
To jarka-rus: I'm confused. Is this ESPN and their "experts" that you
are bashing the same ESPN that is a "partner" with BYU sports to take
us to a level yet unachieved? Reilly is a nut is the obvious answer.
Well I have watched many high school players over the last decade as a high
school coach, and all I can say about Fredette is to get as good as he looks on
the court offensively he must have spent a lot of time in a gym growing up, what
a gym rat. Instead of all of us putting the kid down over the simple game of
basketball, why don't we look at him as a person. Well some people say he acts
cocky on the court, (insert sarcasm here) uumm yea I have never seen another
basketball player act cocky while playing, yea never. This kid has worked hard
to get an education paid for, he wasnt highly sought after out of high school to
play for a big college so it looks like his hard work has paid off. I
know, I know but what about the defensive end of the court, well have you ever
seen a kid alone in a church gym late at night working on his defense, yea me
either. If you dont like the kid leave him alone, but you have to admire
how hard hes worked.
The only thing I know is, Jimmer will make a bigger name out of sports than,
Rick who again?
@Mike in SandyOk Uncle Rico. Hockey.................LOLWoulda coulda shouldaNice Fable.Check out Dan
Patrick's retort on Rick Reilly regarding Jimmer...Fox Sports radio....can you
manage to find it?He's well aware of Jimmers 36" verticle. It's
all over youtube and in Jimmer's game archives, CBS showed one 3 pt. shot
against Gonzaga in slow mo, over and over again, he was well beyond 3 ft
vertically. Nothing worse than someone who pops off, when in reality
they are clueless, because they have not watched nor studied Jimmer.Do you base all of your opinions, judgements etc. on such shallow research and
knowledge?Jimmer had 24 scouts at the BYU-SDSU game in Provo, 3 GM's
including Pat Reilly.I was there, were you? Have you watched every
minute of every game of Jimmer this year? did not think so.In the
next few months he'll have a multi-million dollar bank account, why? Because he
stinks, according to you?No, because grown men HAVE done their
homework, studied his body of work, and are willing to plop down millions for
his talents..Now go back and dream of Taking State.
When Dan Patrick, another ESPN employee, calls Reilly's article a sham, you know
Reilly's just hypocritically creating a media storm that he claims was falsely
created around Jimmer Fredette. Let's ignore this self centered, money grubbing
idiot, and get on with our lives. We know who Jimmer is; what he will become is
up to him, not someone like Reilly and his ilk.
Hawkeye79,Touche. You make a good point. I was not as clear as I
should have been. I meant Jimmer and BYU were "overrated" as perceived
by the diehard fans (the LDS community at large).But you are right,
the NCAA RPI formulas ranked BYU just about right. In fact, BYU's RPI was #1 for
quite a while, but with the loss of Brandon that resulted in losses late in the
regular season, the NCAA tourney committee wisely gave them a lower seed.Of course, I could always point out that the current Final Four proves
that a number of teams were officially "overrated", including BYU. But
let's not haggle over technicalities.My point remains: the overhyped
Jimmer did not "show up". 37% from the field; 20% from distance; and 6
turnovers - not what we should expect from such an allstar talent.
Rick Reilly is a sports writer. He can voice his opinion all he wants, he gets
paid to do so. BYU fans take it so personal. Jimmer Fredette did take a ton of
shots vs. florida and a lot of them were bad. Is that not true?
Jimmer won't be able defend those guards in the NBA. He's not a great defender
or passer.But he can shoot.
Honestly, what don't you understand about having an off-night? It happens.
And it sometimes happens to the very best. Anyone remember Koby in the 7th game
of the NBA finals a couple of years ago? It not only happens to individual
stars, but to entire teams as well.Personally, have you ever had an
off day-when nothing seemed to go well at work or at school or home? Of course
you have, we all have days like that-probably scores of such days. They even
wrote a song about, "Mama said there would be days like this."You have to admit that Rick Reilly had a really bad day when he wrote
this article about Jimmer. One of his worse pieces EVER. Glad there are guys
like Andy Katz and Dan Patrick pointing this out to him in national forums.Of course, there are the BYU/LDS haters among us reveling in the
put-down of Jimmer. Pretty sad. No really sad.
@kallen001It's funny, when Max Hall and Austin Collie said things to
the press that we clearly unproffesional, many people were ready to have them
tarred and feathered. But when Rick Riley aims his unproffesional comments at
Jimmer, BYU and the LDS Church, you and many others are more than quite
delighted.Tell me, who's the hypocrite now? By the way,
who mentioned Allen Iverson?
BYU took Florida to OT! Jimmer's teammates were shooting cold. Their best big
was on the bench not the floor. The Florida players (like other teams before)
took swipes at Jimmer. Cut on his chin, sore leg. Cougs had no bench, Gators
did. Jimmer did what he could to get the win, but came up a little short after
running out of gas. And his poor game in the Sweet 16?: 32 pts. That would be
anyone else's GREAT game. Reilly? He takes advantage of Jimmer's
no-win situation to create a yellow journalism cheap shot that he knew would be
sensationalistic given all the awards we all knew Jimmer would win. Well, he
got his attention. In the celebrity realm there's a saying, "Even bad
press is good press." Reilly knew what he was doing and probably doesn't
care. Bottom Line - Jimmer became a national phenomenon because he
embodies the American Dream. A little guy with a big heart and a great work
ethic can achieve a dream! That translates to the NBA. He lives to prove
others wrong! Wait and see.
i was not going to respond to this yet it needs to be said. a true christian has
tolorance and forgiveness in his or her heart. this is not a time to hate. it is
a time to unite and reflect on a great year in college sports. all teams be it
football basketball baseball ect. my ancestors left nauvoo with nothing.
together with the multitude carved out an empire in a wasteland. religious
persecution is still prevelent today. i say we all need to take a step back and
reflect on what was done in provo. the davies honor code is not new to byu. its
simply how its done. and most of the nation took notice. well done byu well
done. and jimmer and jackson thankyou for more byu memories. rielly will get his
due. he only hurt himself. plenty of positive to read about from other writers.
lets put this behind us and move forward
@spud 6:22 Big thumps up to your comment! One of the best ones I've