Really, Rick Reilly? Jabs at Jimmer


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  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    March 30, 2011 11:51 a.m.

    @spud 6:22

    Big thumps up to your comment! One of the best ones I've read. Thanks!

  • spud Payson, UT
    March 30, 2011 6:22 a.m.

    i was not going to respond to this yet it needs to be said. a true christian has tolorance and forgiveness in his or her heart. this is not a time to hate. it is a time to unite and reflect on a great year in college sports. all teams be it football basketball baseball ect. my ancestors left nauvoo with nothing. together with the multitude carved out an empire in a wasteland. religious persecution is still prevelent today. i say we all need to take a step back and reflect on what was done in provo. the davies honor code is not new to byu. its simply how its done. and most of the nation took notice. well done byu well done. and jimmer and jackson thankyou for more byu memories. rielly will get his due. he only hurt himself. plenty of positive to read about from other writers. lets put this behind us and move forward

  • Chris Degn Seoul, Korea
    March 30, 2011 6:08 a.m.

    BYU took Florida to OT! Jimmer's teammates were shooting cold. Their best big was on the bench not the floor. The Florida players (like other teams before) took swipes at Jimmer. Cut on his chin, sore leg. Cougs had no bench, Gators did. Jimmer did what he could to get the win, but came up a little short after running out of gas. And his poor game in the Sweet 16?: 32 pts. That would be anyone else's GREAT game.

    Reilly? He takes advantage of Jimmer's no-win situation to create a yellow journalism cheap shot that he knew would be sensationalistic given all the awards we all knew Jimmer would win. Well, he got his attention. In the celebrity realm there's a saying, "Even bad press is good press." Reilly knew what he was doing and probably doesn't care.

    Bottom Line - Jimmer became a national phenomenon because he embodies the American Dream. A little guy with a big heart and a great work ethic can achieve a dream! That translates to the NBA. He lives to prove others wrong! Wait and see.

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    March 30, 2011 1:01 a.m.


    It's funny, when Max Hall and Austin Collie said things to the press that we clearly unproffesional, many people were ready to have them tarred and feathered. But when Rick Riley aims his unproffesional comments at Jimmer, BYU and the LDS Church, you and many others are more than quite delighted.

    Tell me, who's the hypocrite now?

    By the way, who mentioned Allen Iverson?

  • Alpine Coug Alpine, UT
    March 29, 2011 8:43 p.m.

    Honestly, what don't you understand about having an off-night? It happens. And it sometimes happens to the very best. Anyone remember Koby in the 7th game of the NBA finals a couple of years ago? It not only happens to individual stars, but to entire teams as well.

    Personally, have you ever had an off day-when nothing seemed to go well at work or at school or home? Of course you have, we all have days like that-probably scores of such days. They even wrote a song about, "Mama said there would be days like this."

    You have to admit that Rick Reilly had a really bad day when he wrote this article about Jimmer. One of his worse pieces EVER. Glad there are guys like Andy Katz and Dan Patrick pointing this out to him in national forums.

    Of course, there are the BYU/LDS haters among us reveling in the put-down of Jimmer. Pretty sad. No really sad.

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    March 29, 2011 8:29 p.m.

    Jimmer won't be able defend those guards in the NBA. He's not a great defender or passer.But he can shoot.

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    March 29, 2011 8:14 p.m.

    Rick Reilly is a sports writer. He can voice his opinion all he wants, he gets paid to do so. BYU fans take it so personal. Jimmer Fredette did take a ton of shots vs. florida and a lot of them were bad. Is that not true?

  • Y Ask Y Provo, UT
    March 29, 2011 6:16 p.m.


    Touche. You make a good point. I was not as clear as I should have been. I meant Jimmer and BYU were "overrated" as perceived by the diehard fans (the LDS community at large).

    But you are right, the NCAA RPI formulas ranked BYU just about right. In fact, BYU's RPI was #1 for quite a while, but with the loss of Brandon that resulted in losses late in the regular season, the NCAA tourney committee wisely gave them a lower seed.

    Of course, I could always point out that the current Final Four proves that a number of teams were officially "overrated", including BYU. But let's not haggle over technicalities.

    My point remains: the overhyped Jimmer did not "show up". 37% from the field; 20% from distance; and 6 turnovers - not what we should expect from such an allstar talent.

  • holt56 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 29, 2011 5:09 p.m.

    When Dan Patrick, another ESPN employee, calls Reilly's article a sham, you know Reilly's just hypocritically creating a media storm that he claims was falsely created around Jimmer Fredette. Let's ignore this self centered, money grubbing idiot, and get on with our lives. We know who Jimmer is; what he will become is up to him, not someone like Reilly and his ilk.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    March 29, 2011 5:06 p.m.

    @Mike in Sandy

    Ok Uncle Rico.
    Woulda coulda shoulda

    Nice Fable.

    Check out Dan Patrick's retort on Rick Reilly regarding Jimmer...Fox Sports radio....can you manage to find it?

    He's well aware of Jimmers 36" verticle. It's all over youtube and in Jimmer's game archives, CBS showed one 3 pt. shot against Gonzaga in slow mo, over and over again, he was well beyond 3 ft vertically.

    Nothing worse than someone who pops off, when in reality they are clueless, because they have not watched nor studied Jimmer.

    Do you base all of your opinions, judgements etc. on such shallow research and knowledge?

    Jimmer had 24 scouts at the BYU-SDSU game in Provo, 3 GM's including Pat Reilly.

    I was there, were you? Have you watched every minute of every game of Jimmer this year? did not think so.

    In the next few months he'll have a multi-million dollar bank account, why? Because he stinks, according to you?

    No, because grown men HAVE done their homework, studied his body of work, and are willing to plop down millions for his talents..

    Now go back and dream of Taking State.

  • GoodGuyGary Houston, TX
    March 29, 2011 4:14 p.m.

    The only thing I know is, Jimmer will make a bigger name out of sports than, Rick who again?

  • Silly Rabbit Magna, UT
    March 29, 2011 3:52 p.m.

    Well I have watched many high school players over the last decade as a high school coach, and all I can say about Fredette is to get as good as he looks on the court offensively he must have spent a lot of time in a gym growing up, what a gym rat. Instead of all of us putting the kid down over the simple game of basketball, why don't we look at him as a person. Well some people say he acts cocky on the court, (insert sarcasm here) uumm yea I have never seen another basketball player act cocky while playing, yea never. This kid has worked hard to get an education paid for, he wasnt highly sought after out of high school to play for a big college so it looks like his hard work has paid off.
    I know, I know but what about the defensive end of the court, well have you ever seen a kid alone in a church gym late at night working on his defense, yea me either.
    If you dont like the kid leave him alone, but you have to admire how hard hes worked.

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    March 29, 2011 3:08 p.m.

    To jarka-rus: I'm confused. Is this ESPN and their "experts" that you are bashing the same ESPN that is a "partner" with BYU sports to take us to a level yet unachieved? Reilly is a nut is the obvious answer.

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    March 29, 2011 3:07 p.m.

    Mike in Sandy

    You'd have a hard time checking him into the boards, while you're screaming in pain from two broken ankles.

    What you call "nonchalant" is simply a hardnosed competitor with extreme confidence.

    Jimmer will be banking NBA big bucks, while you're still dreaming of what it would have been like to play professional sports. If you were really any good, you would have at least played on a minor league team.

  • Snark Provo, UT
    March 29, 2011 2:57 p.m.

    A person who is really good will always be panned by small people who only worship what they see in the mirror each morning!

  • Jones67 Tooele, UT
    March 29, 2011 2:53 p.m.

    There are many people out there that try to justify the fact that James F. played soft on defense. Have these people ever heard of the old saying "defense wins championships?" Obviously, if he was told not to play hard on defense,then it is not surprising that the team only went to the sweet sixteen. If James F. played soft defense on a Majarus coached team, he would be on the bench.

  • kallen001 Harrisville, UT
    March 29, 2011 1:43 p.m.

    Its funny, when Allen Iverson shot the ball 29 times and went 3-15 from the line you same fans call him a ball hog and a thug. When your precious Jimmer does it, its because thats the "game plan".


  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    March 29, 2011 1:31 p.m.

    To SPortscenter,

    I'd just check him into the boards. Just like what is going to happen when he takes his nonchalant, "watch this' attitude into the NBA.

  • MGB Saint George, UT
    March 29, 2011 12:09 p.m.

    Does anyone remember Larry Bird's Indiana State game against Magic Johnson and Michigan State in the NCAA Championship game. Larry Bird was the POY and scoring leader that year. In that championship game he could not have thrown the ball in the Atlantic Ocean he was so cold. He was a senior and Magic was a Sophomore and Magic and Michigan State won the game. Did that one game set the tone for Larry Bird's NBA career? I think not. Jimmer's future will be determined in the future.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    March 29, 2011 11:35 a.m.

    OK. We saw that Fredette was not infallible last game. He sometimes shoots when he should pass and he could play better defense.. . .but, the way he played was the role assigned to him by Coach Rose. He was SUPPOSED to shoot a lot and win games for the team, and he was SUPPOSED to play defense so as to not get in foul trouble. Rose could have pulled in the reigns on Jimmer but (to his credit) he didn't. If you look at Jimmer's total body of work this year against many quality teams, his performance deserved suparstar status. He WAS terrific. To say otherwise is just plain ignorant, or out of spite for him, his school or his religion.

    There is always room in the NBA for someone who knows how to score.That, indisputably is exactly what Jimmer does better than any college basketball player in the country. To say he won't get drafted and play in the NBA (barring injury) is just plain ludicrous.

    Having said that, I would agree that Jimmer is probably not quite as rounded of a ball player as Ainge was.

  • In My Humble Opinion South Jordan, UT
    March 29, 2011 11:07 a.m.


    If anyone else on the team had been hitting that night, Jimmer would've passed more. He had nine assists at San Diego when his teammates were on. Abuou was horrible that night, Hartsock bad, Emery started hot and then went cold. Jimmer was the best option at the time. It just happened that the whole team was cold, despite good looks. Yet they still went to O.T. against a team that missed out on the Final Four by O.T.. They were inches from the Final Four. Sometimes you win the Derby, and sometimes you lose by a nose.

  • In My Humble Opinion South Jordan, UT
    March 29, 2011 10:57 a.m.

    I saw Reilly interviewed about Jimmer, and didn't find it as objectionable. What I objected to in Reilly's article was his focus on the weaknesses in Jimmer's game, rather than a complete review:

    Is Jimmer a defensive force? No. Is he "the best offensive player in the world," as Durrant said? No, but you better guard him when he comes out of the tunnel.

    Do you think the Heat, the Magic, the Lakers, the Celtics, would want to have the kid on their team? In a New York Knicks minute!

    Is he "slow, can't jump" as some on here said? You'd have to be blind to think that. He elevates on his shot -- as many analysts have said -- better than most. If he's slow, what does it say about the guys he's blown past the couple years -- some of them All-Americans themselves? He's missed some dunks -- happens nightly in the NBA.

    The religious references just felt off, too.

    Reilly often takes heat from other writers. Jealously. He's he most awarded in sports. But this seemed a little Pete Vecsey to me, and even Vescey would consider that an insult.

  • Blake West Valley City, UT
    March 29, 2011 10:54 a.m.

    I totally agree with Rick Reilly's article. Jimmer doesn't play defense and is the definition of a "ball-hog". The reason why BYU lost the game is because Jimmer played no defense, and because he made the offense one-dimensional.

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    March 29, 2011 10:47 a.m.

    Reilly is (like most media) cynical and loves the NBA status quo of gang culture and resents any player changing that image.

  • In My Humble Opinion South Jordan, UT
    March 29, 2011 10:44 a.m.

    I didn't like the column, but did Reilly (often one of my favorite writers) speak the truth?

    "A little Maravich?" No. He is not as good as Pete in any phase of the game -- except defense.

    "As good as Ainge?" No. I saw Ainge make a steal by diving from behind a player and catching the dribble like it was a fumble. Saw him hammer breakaway dunks like Karl Malone. Fredette and Emery broke his records... by playing more total games. Ainge was high school All-American -- in three sports. Starter in NBA and MLB.

    "Fredette didn't have a single game-winning shot all year." Not true. He didn't have a buzzer beater, but did have game winners: "Trailing by one with 10 seconds to play, BYU gets a go-ahead 3-pointer from Fredette, and Charles Abouo ices the game with two free throws" Seems like that 3 was a winner. It also seemed like the runs he made to crush Elite 8 San Diego twice were game winners, as was the 49 against Utah, the 52 against New Mexico, the nine assists against San Diego, his performance against Gonzaga...

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    March 29, 2011 10:35 a.m.

    the proof will be in the pudding - the NBA draft. If Jimmer is drafted and then makes a team and then contributes ... all the other noise from the Rick Riely's of the world don't mean squat.

  • SportsCenter Olympus Cove, Utah
    March 29, 2011 10:32 a.m.

    Lia/Mike in Sandy

    "good player in a so-so conference"???

    The truth is the jealous whiners can't stand the fact that Jimmer has already received numerous National Player of the Year awards and was the LEADING vote getter for AP 1st Team All American, so the only thing they have left to combat their own insecurities is bury their heads in the sand and pretend that a hatchet job by a BYU/Mormon-hating hack represents reality.

    I'd love to see Mike in Sandy try to cover Jimmer's cross-over dribble.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    March 29, 2011 10:20 a.m.

    So what NBA team do you scout for again?
    Yeah I thought so. So how about you name those 75 players better than Jimmer, who averaged more points a game, has more range and has more wins, lets's hear your "expert" picks..,,,, crickets
    I have watched a lot of the tourney games and for one I was not impressed at all with Sullinger from OSU. Deibler, Craft and Lighty are all better than he is in my "expert" opinion.

  • nomo Draper, UT
    March 29, 2011 10:16 a.m.

    Mike in Sandy ..Should'a could'a would'a sounds about right so how did that hockey thing go? NCAA player of the year? I didn't think so. I noticed none of your other could have sports were basketball but your on an expert on it!.Interesting...

  • eljefeBYUfan Denver, CO
    March 29, 2011 10:07 a.m.

    I live in Colorado. In fact I live quite near Mr. Reilly. Notwithstanding Mr. Reilly's celebrity status, from what I know of the individiual his comments in either SI or on ESPN have no relevance. I refuse to read him or watch him.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    March 29, 2011 10:05 a.m.

    Ask VCU how much they care about what any clown ESPN "experts" are saying. See Dickie V.

  • Lia Sandy, UT
    March 29, 2011 10:02 a.m.

    The truth hurts, and that's why you overly-sensitive types are mad at Reilly, at Mike in Sandy, at all of those who speak the truth.

    I hope Jimmer makes it, but there are 75 players I saw in the tournament that would get drafted before him.

    And his team was also taken in by this crazy Jimmermania. How else do you explain nobody else being in double figures in the loss?

    Jimmer will sit on a NBA bench, or play in Europe, and sorry, but your clinging to him like some kind of savior is more embarrassing than anything a detractor posted here.

    Have a nice day!

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    March 29, 2011 10:01 a.m.

    Sticks and stones, what a jealous baby.

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    March 29, 2011 9:54 a.m.

    Hey Bluto.

    I played hockey for 4 years at Wisconsin on full scholarship.
    Could have played first base if baseball was my thing, and tennis was also an option.

    Jimmer is nothing more than a good player in a so-so conference.

    You people need a huge reality check.

    36" vertical? What.....Off a diving board?

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    March 29, 2011 9:25 a.m.

    What does Rick Reily know? Really. Did the guy play or coach college? NBA? NOPE - neither. Sports writers on the national scene are only impressed if you play for North Carolina or Kentucky. Who care what he thinks anyway. Jimmer is a first team All-American and that speaks alot louder than some writer.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    March 29, 2011 9:18 a.m.

    All these opinions, coming from the Mike in Sandy's of the World......

    Guys who never earned as much as a high school letter, are telling us how it is? Paleeze.

    Talk about over hyped inflated egos, look in the mirror critics.

    You losers can't tie this kids shoes.

    Can't jump? Have you even watched Jimmer?
    36" vetricle leap, check out his jump shots. You just completely ignorant.

    Can't jump over a phone boook? Mike in Sandy, I doubt you can read a phone book.

    Go back and watch, research, become informed, and see Jimmers body of work this year. It is one for the ages.

    The naysayers are speaking with no knowledge or objectivity. Really you are embarassing yourself.

  • Hawkeye79 Iowa City, IA
    March 29, 2011 8:56 a.m.

    Y Ask Y,

    I always find it amusing when people throw around the word "overrated" so haphazardly. It is almost as if you, and others who do so, have little to no understanding of what the word even means.

    The #10 team in the country lost to a higher seed, in overtime, when the field was narrowed from 16 to 8. Reason would dictate that any team ranked 9-16 that loses in the Sweet 16 would have been ranked exactly where they belong. Perhaps you could indicate the final rating that BYU received that was proven to be too high (Hint: a 3 seed losing to a 2 seed in overtime would indicate that the seeding was quite accurate as well).

  • kallen001 Harrisville, UT
    March 29, 2011 8:47 a.m.

    Riley was making a joke about Jimmer reading his bible. This is why Utah get it reputation for being a silly state. We have a bunch of people who can't handle someone taking a swipe at our local B-ball player, or even mentioning a bible!

    I would love to know how old some of you are on this board. The "take my ball and go home" attitude is hillarious considering the fact most of you are likley adult men.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    March 29, 2011 8:29 a.m.

    The people are a bit oversensitive because they put Jimmer on the level of walking on water, when in reality he is only a guy who shoots a lot and can't get his team past the round of 16.

  • bulldog72 Holladay, UT
    March 29, 2011 8:08 a.m.

    Good Lord people, relax. Just one columnist among a nation of them. If you are going to get your feathers ruffled every time the media says something you don't like, you are going to be angry a whole lot the time. Get over it already!

  • Y Ask Y Provo, UT
    March 29, 2011 8:05 a.m.

    No, no, you misunderstand. BYU in general, and Jimmer in specific did NOT show up at the Sweet 16! That is why they LOST!

    If the BYU that was hyped would have shown up at the Sweet 16, they would have won!

    That is my point. Overhyped, overrated, Jimmer-mania... what a joke! The wishful thinking of BYU fans knows no bounds.

    It is really sad.

    By the way, I am a graduate of BYU. I'm just not blinded by the silly religious fervor like most others.

    Rick Reilly was exactly right. Jimmer is a waste on defense. He choked and forced so many ridiculous shots. And he turned the ball over repeatedly.

    Jimmer may be able to single-handedly win a game once in a while, but he single-handedly LOST the Sweet 16 game by NOT SHOWING UP!

  • Chickenchaser Centralia, WA
    March 29, 2011 8:04 a.m.

    If Reilly's censors were as tough as ours his article would not have been published. He, and the press in general, live by one standard while we must abide by theirs. Jimmer is a great young man and few, if any, of his critics could square off with him even standing on a nine foot ladder next to the basket.

    Look at the bright side, Jimmer and BYU delighted fans coast to coast and beyond while their critics did what?

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    March 29, 2011 7:45 a.m.

    Lets review. Jimmer bombs away from 3....lots of NBA players do. But he stands around, cherry picking, he can't jump over a phone book, he's soft.
    The NBA will eat him alive.
    He should play in Greece.

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    March 29, 2011 7:41 a.m.

    Love Rick Reilly. You people are way too sensitive.
    And everything he wrote was true...so what about THAT?

  • T-Roy Summerville, SC
    March 29, 2011 7:14 a.m.

    I have not read his article but coming from SEC country I bet any team in the SEC would have loved to have Jimmer and that includes Florida UK or any other team in the SEC, SO Reiley wake up and smell what the Jimmer Cooked.

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    March 29, 2011 6:52 a.m.

    If someone has the time to rip a model citizen, hard working, great college basketball player, it's God's way of telling Reilly he has too much time on his hands. The world of sports has plenty of ills on it's dark side to investigate without taking a cheap shot at a good kid!

  • DBeck Eagle Mountain, UT
    March 29, 2011 6:43 a.m.

    My life is fuller, I can enjoy work ethic by younger and older athletes, great plays and so forth, without the negativity of smart-aleck commentator who have built up a reputation for their attempts to tear down others. We used to call those people bullies. Now we call them color analysts and commentators. I am not a BYU fan, but Jimmer, who still got 32 points regardless of how many shots it took with bigger Florida players in his face (and manhandled though he was), struggled precisely because Florida was the better team. Like to see Reilly and the others like him who no one seems to like, but who everyone but me knows, go up against Florida's bench. Heck, BYU's bench, on a solid day, would give him and his ego a run for their money. Great NCAA this year. Lots of upsets and exciting basketball. Thanks to the schools involved for making it worth watching. Butler or VCU as the champions would cap it off nicely!

  • peter Alpine, UT
    March 29, 2011 6:13 a.m.

    Freedom of speech is a wonderful right, but it doesn't make Reilly's opinion right. We put this guy where he is today because we read his opinion. If you want to discredit his position, stop reading his column. His popularity is based on polls, not propriety.

  • Maj1972 Orem, Utah
    March 29, 2011 2:22 a.m.

    Reilly had every right to say what he said. Its called his 1st Amendment rights! Have Deseret News ever heard of that one? After all, there are always going to be people like that out there and Jimmer will have to deal with that if he pursues on to the next level. But I didn't loos any sleep over the article since there is other issues more important in life than this!

  • Rolston SLC, Utah
    March 29, 2011 2:10 a.m.


    Nobody cares that Reilly was critical of Fredettes game, it's the fact that he questioned Jimmer's religion for being the problem with his game.

    Go back and re-read the article. He said nothing complimentary about Fredette's religion. What he said was that his Bible reading "maybe is the problem?"

    If you think that is fair to say, then so be it. But let's not try to change the context of Reilly's article.

    Whether or not Jimmer is an NBA stud or flop is not the controversy here. The controversy is whether or not it is okay that Reilly questioned Jimmer's religion as being a problem for his game.

    Maybe that is cool with you, but obviously, for most of America, it is not.

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    March 29, 2011 1:41 a.m.

    @Y Ask Y

    Not sure what tournament you've been following, but BYU DID reach the Sweet-16.

    Most of the posts bashing BYU and Jimmer can easily be translated into one simple sentence.

    "We're jealous Ute fans whose team has just had back-to-back losing seasons. If only it were football season."

  • Honor Code Denver, Colorado
    March 28, 2011 11:59 p.m.

    Jimmer will never last in the NBA.......(see Plaisted, Hansen, Bower, Cummard, Tavarnari).

    It's a known fact that Jimmer can shoot, he just can't defend and you have to be versatile in the NBA. So if you want to get "JIMMERED" may I suggest that you move to Europe, Israel or Russia........then you'll see him play!!

    It's a tough pill to swallow Kitties!!! Face it, embrace it and be ready to find a new Coach in the upcoming weeks.

  • Skippy West Jordan, UT
    March 28, 2011 11:44 p.m.

    I find alot of these comments very interesting. If you say anything negative about Jimmer you are all of a sudden a BYU hater. If you say anything about Jimmer not making it in the NBA, you know nothing about the NBA. Let's face it, unless you are an NBA scout, you don't really know it Jimmer will be drafted in the first round or not. The wait is just driving everyone to the point that they have to lash out at everyone else. It is time for everyone to quit speculating and try to find some patience. It will not effect you personally at all if Jimmer makes big in the NBA or if he tanks.

  • CaliforniaCougar Lake Elsinore, CA
    March 28, 2011 11:27 p.m.

    BYU popularity poll ...

    1) Jimmer Fredette
    2) Ty Detmer
    3) Steve Young


    76,347) Bryant Gumbel
    76,348) Rick Reilly

    Great day for Mr. Gumbel!!

  • TrollPolice Salt Lake City, UT
    March 28, 2011 10:39 p.m.

    Y ask Y

    What exactly has Utah done in the tournament besides always losing to Kentucky? Even in that meaningless 1944 season, the Utes lost to Kentucky in the real championship tournament of the day.

  • International Cougar Fan Tacoma, WA
    March 28, 2011 10:34 p.m.

    Rick Reilly is going to get Jimmered!!

  • kallen001 Harrisville, UT
    March 28, 2011 10:31 p.m.

    Oh so we are supposed to discount Riley for being a no-nothing hack but Dan Patrick knows all about how good Jimmer will be? Like Rick Riley or not he is a very popular writer with a number a best-selling books. I don't care much for him but he is a successful sports writer.

    So Riley should be fired because he thinks Jimmer will be a flop? Please, or is it that he said LDS people were uncomfortable on Burbon St? Wow, what a bigot! He states that he thinks Jimmer is a very good kid who reads his bible. Oh no! Let's get him fired!

    He watched Jimmer and gave his opinion that Jimmer looked slow and undersized and came to a rational conclusion that he will struggle in the NBA.

    And when a reporter asks Westbrook and Slone if Jimmer will be a good NBA player do you think it would be a good mfather them say "no, he is slow and will be limited"?

  • eagle Provo, UT
    March 28, 2011 10:29 p.m.

    I was at that game in the Huntsman Center when Santa Clara beat AZ. He (Nash) was the best player on the court and well thought of by most scouts then...

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    March 28, 2011 10:26 p.m.

    Jimmer is first team All-American. Enough said.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    March 28, 2011 10:04 p.m.

    BTW kallen, Steve Nash was not drafted for his size and speed, so according to you, NBA scouts and teams even get it wrong sometimes. Oh snap!

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    March 28, 2011 10:01 p.m.

    kallen, grow up? That's the best you can do? I never put Jimmer in the same class with Williams or Paul, you were the first to mention them in the same breath, not me. I was simply giving a defense for Jimmer. Like I said earlier.I have no idea how Jimmer will do in the association. I will freely admit to that. You however, act like you are the number one scout for all NBA teams. We all know better. Until we see him play a season or two in the NBA, NO one really knows what he will do; including you. If there were really a sure fire way of knowing what a player would do in the NBA, Jordan would have been the number one pick. Get the point? In reality, it sounds like you are the one who is far removed from sports of any kind because you are claiming to know something that no one really knows about a player. Jimmer may or may not make it in the NBA. I have no allusions either way. Do you?

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    March 28, 2011 9:59 p.m.


    Get back to us when you learn something about NBA basketball because obviously you don't have a clue.


    You should check out Dan Patrick's castigation of Rick Reilly's Jimmer-hating article. Do a google search and you'll find that considerly more than the 80 bloggers here felt Reilly was way out of line.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    March 28, 2011 9:55 p.m.

    Y ask Y:

    BYU made the sweet 16 BTW, consult your bracket.

    They actually played up to their seed and lost to the higher seed Florida from what was considered a high powered conference (SEC).

    Like I said in original post. I generally like Reilly. IMO he's a great writer. But obviously he has some anti-BYU (or anti-Mormon or anti-religion) bias. This article is disappointing. Again, his research on Jimmer seems shallow but the anti-religious (BYU/Mormon) flavor or tone is more disconcerting. And I also don't like journalists piling on college kids, if he was in the professional leagues and making a living I would be more comfortable with this piece.

  • Fender Bender Saint George, UT
    March 28, 2011 9:40 p.m.

    I didn't find the LDS comments in Reilly's article to be offensive, although they weren't very funny either (more like tired and unoriginal). And I don't think Reilly should be fired over one lousy article either.

    However, it does seem like LAZY journalism to judge a Jimmer's career and professional potential based on only one game when he shot poorly.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    March 28, 2011 9:27 p.m.

    Rick Reilly doesn't care about being right, he cares about his popularity and his "showtime". And it's easy to see how he gets his popularity: stirring the pot (see also Glenn Beck and Keith Olberman).

    When it comes to BYU, he's the yang to Dick Harmon's yin.

    When you have such hype like "Jimmermania," there is bound to be a backlash. Why are so many fans surprised by this?

    So, Rick Reilly gave plenty of soundbites to be proven wrong..but he's already moved on and left all 80 of us on this article deal with his aftermath.

    From a journalism standpoint, that's money.

  • That's A Good One Meridian, ID
    March 28, 2011 9:09 p.m.

    Uh, Y ask Y, check your "I hate BYU" notes sheet brother, they did go to the Sweet 16.

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    March 28, 2011 9:07 p.m.

    Espn should strongly consider canning Reilly for such a foolish article. Hey Reilly why dont u go back and watch the entire season and look at Jimmer's entire body of work instead of drawing conclusions from one game. Every great player has off nights and an off night for Jimmer still resulted in 32 points and 5 assists. Lets also not forget Jimmer wasnt the only one having an off night, his teammates also shot poorly (14 of 42), so he didnt exactly get much help. Bottomline is Jimmer impacted his team in a positive way both on and off the court and was the most dominate player in the nation over the course of the entire season that is why he has been named POY by several publications.

  • kallen001 Harrisville, UT
    March 28, 2011 9:07 p.m.

    @courgars1: your argument indicates that you are putting Jimmer on par with the top point guards/athletes is so ridiculous. Size and speed is the number one thing scouts look at. For BYU fans commenting on this page to not understand that size and speed is a HUGE deal in recruiting players.

    Rose, Williams, Paul all play defense. But even they can't stay in front of the guards in the NBA. The three I named are elite athletes. You obviously never played sports and understand the difference between pro and college athletes. I like Jimmer and think he deserves to be player of the year considering the team he had around him. I was rooting for him, I enjoy when locals do well nationally. But, I don't worship him and am a rational person who knows 6-2 slow guys don't fare well in the NBA. It's not a matter of "can a guy try and play D" it's a matter of does he have the "ability".

    You guys are like a kid being told Santa isn't real. Grow up

  • Y Ask Y Provo, UT
    March 28, 2011 8:56 p.m.

    With their talent and stats, BYU should have gone to the Sweet 16.

    Why didn't they?

    Just read Rick Reilly's article. He nails it!

    Jimmer is a scoring machine, there is no question. But he is extremely OVERRATED by all the BYU faithful who have had such a disappointing history: BYU has made it to the Big Dance more than any other team without ever making it to the Final Four! That makes BYU the biggest "wannabe" team in the history of NCAA basketball.

    Despite his inflated abilities, Jimmer was not able to change that harsh reality.

  • nomo Draper, UT
    March 28, 2011 8:55 p.m.

    kallen oo1.. BYU beat Florida last year..I know according to you the entire Florida team changed from a year ago. This year Florida is so much better with all their NBA type players. So much better it took overtime to beat a BYU team missing their leading rebounder and inside presence. Wow I'm impressed.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    March 28, 2011 8:46 p.m.

    Judging Jimmer based on one single game, a game he played with a sore calf is foolish.

    What if he had only seen two games this year? BYU @ SDSU and BYU vs Gonzaga?
    Wow, Jimmer and the Jimmerettes would be invincible.

    I will allow Jimmer to have an off game.
    I will also allow Rick Reilly to write some really foolish articles if that is his desire.

    I may also exercise my right not to read his stuff.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    March 28, 2011 8:41 p.m.

    AZ Dave... classy would be for Reilly to write a piece without his religious bigotry splattered in it.

    I'm reminded of the quote, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

    I'm not saying Reilly is evil but let's face it, he ain't no saint either and this article clearly demonstrates the guys disdain and mockery for things moral and decent of the LDS faith and others.

    As I mentioned previously he could have chosen to render his opinion differently, instead he spews his vitriol and many defend it or shall we say lap it up like "a dog goes to his own vomit."

    People may debate the facts but it's the way this guy presented them. He failed miserably and in my humble opinion I think it's very appropriate to call the guy out.

    So in all honesty, in light of what Jimmer accomplished all year and then this one game would you have written an article in this manner? I hope not. We say things in jest in our rivalry but this is too much.

    Now... you be classy!

  • DaveKnowsWhatsUp Bloomington, IN
    March 28, 2011 8:34 p.m.

    Hedgie, when was the last time one of your guys merited the full attention of Reilly article, or really any article at all from a national stand point?

    It's been a while, hasn't it?

  • Rexburg Reader Rexburg, ID
    March 28, 2011 8:30 p.m.

    Isn't "lopsided overtime" kind of an oxymoron? If a game goes into overtime, doesnt that suggest the game could have gone either way? In the game I watched, it seemed BYU had an excellent shot of winning in regulation. Its not like Florida blew out the Pizza Delivery Guys by 30. To me, most of Ricks arguments dont hold water and many are simply stupid and some are even degrading. I agree Jimmer didnt have his best game Thursday, although he DID score 32 on a bum leg, but this definitely wasnt one of Ricks better columns either. Come on Rick, you gotta look at the body of work. Jimmer had an astonishing career and season. His growing cache of hardware clearly shows your opinion is in the minority!

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    March 28, 2011 8:19 p.m.

    Y Ask

    "The idol-worship of Jimmer must cease now!"

    Don't worry, Jimmer worship as never been a problem for you.

  • Y Ask Y Provo, UT
    March 28, 2011 8:12 p.m.

    I thought Rick Reilly's article was SPOT ON!

    Way to go, Rick!

    The idol-worship of Jimmer must cease now!

  • Mt Rushmore Arlington, VA
    March 28, 2011 7:52 p.m.

    "A NBA general manager will lose his job with the drafting of the jimer


    That's one of the funniest posts all day.

    Since when are you known for your prognostication skills hedgehog?

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    March 28, 2011 7:50 p.m.

    kallen001, some of what you say makes sense, but the problem is some of what you say oozes hatred. If his size is such a problem, then why were most of his points scored on driving layups among the trees after he had blown past the "NBA caliber gaurds that were on Florida's team"? You make no sense. Steve Nash can't play a lick of defense, but has been the NBA Player Of The Year. And to say that Paul, Williams, Rondo and Rose are such great defensive players is laughable. Pay attention, when do you see those guys play defense against each other except in rare instances. To say defense and NBA in the same sentence is an oxymoron. If you watched any of BYU's games, you would have seen Jimmer blow past several "NBA" caliber players to get to the hoop.
    Can he make it in the NBA? Who knows. According to Frank Layden,Kevin Durant,Westbrook, D-Will, and Sloan he can. So really, who cares what you think?

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    March 28, 2011 7:21 p.m.

    A NBA general manager will lose his job with the drafting of the jimer


  • AZ Dave Chandler, AZ
    March 28, 2011 7:17 p.m.

    Take a Chill Pill guys. Real classy to attack Reilly for his opinion. Out in the real world, people can disagree and not get attacked for their views. You know, someone else might be right sometimes

  • MESOUTE Karchaj, A.V.
    March 28, 2011 7:02 p.m.

    Reilly went about making a point in a low-class way. Jimmer's play was sufficient to point out all of its deficiencies, but Reilly was way out of line presenting his case the way he did. Felt like an attack. Poor showing Rick.

  • kallen001 Harrisville, UT
    March 28, 2011 6:56 p.m.

    Lets get one thing straight, Stockton and Nash were never considered slow.

    Jimmer cannot play the shooting gaurd in the NBA. On most teams the shooting gaurd is the best athlete they have. So Jimmer will have to play point in most cases. How do you think Jimmer will handle D-Will, D. Rose, C. Paul, R. Rondo!

    Its laughable, his 3pt shooting will be meaningless when these point gaurds run past him at will, then post him up at will.

    I won't even mention him gaurding D. Wade, Kobe, Labron... Hahahahah..you guys are crazy.
    He will be a niche 3pt player that teams use at certain times.

  • kallen001 Harrisville, UT
    March 28, 2011 6:50 p.m.

    @UoU: You are right, some team will draft Jimmer in the lottery to try and sell some sideshow tickets, just like Adam Morrison. There stats are almost identical from college. Morrison is one of the biggest busts of all time. Slow and totally ineffective in the NBA. Face it your golden boy is going to be just like Alex Smith.

  • nottyou Riverton, UT
    March 28, 2011 6:38 p.m.

    Bad press is better than no press at all, and the Cougs have done VERY well.

  • David Centerville, UT
    March 28, 2011 6:30 p.m.

    Jimmer's offense has been amazing, tremendous, and rarely seen. So when I raise a concern about his lack of defensive play (non-existent) I am quickly inundated with expressions of shock by family and friends.

    I love watching his offense. But his complete lack of effort on D makes me embarrassed. Did the coaches really allow him to wander around on offense doing nothing?

    I don't know Jimmer at all. But my stereotype of players that only make efforts on the offensive end, and no effort on the defensive end, is that they are lazy, glory seekers, and stat-line fillers.

    Having said that, now allow me to pull a 180 turn around: Jimmer played 40 minutes of basketball, or pretty close to that, in nearly every game after Davis went out. He had to have become tired, and worn down. He even looked thinner to me at the end. He hurt his calf. He was being grabbed, pulled, knocked, and worn down by playes throughout the game to tire him out. I thought he played a gutsy game. He was probably saving energy on the D so he could contribute on O.

  • utah by5 York, PA
    March 28, 2011 6:22 p.m.

    Pretty sensitive people now a days. I think it is fine to criticize Jimmer on the game he played. The thing is BYU lost in OT to a very good Florida team. It wasn't that bad of a loss. I'm a big Jimmer fan, I think he takes as many shots as he does because that is the game plan and the hand that is dealt to him with the team that is surrounding him. The fact is without Davies BYU couldn't play the same style of basketball. With the team that they had I would have liked to see them run more motion and make teams work on defense - something like what Butler runs would fit that team well. That being said you have to stay with what got you to the sweet 16, and what got BYU to the sweet 16 was all Jimmer all the time.

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    March 28, 2011 6:20 p.m.

    Does Rick Reilly still write? Ever since SI dumped him, I thought he was hosing down butcher shops.

  • Chris Degn Seoul, Korea
    March 28, 2011 6:00 p.m.

    Shame his column has no comment capability. Guess we gotta tweet him and e-mail his network, folks!

  • UoU 1991 Park City, UT
    March 28, 2011 5:50 p.m.


    "Jimmer is NOT a good NBA prospect!"

    Better keep your day job, because your moonlighting as an NBA scout isn't going to work out.

    Jimmer will be a lottery pick.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 28, 2011 5:48 p.m.

    "As other have pointed out, is it a bad thing to avoid getting drunk, watching strippers, and whatever else happens on Bourbon Street? "

    I think what he was trying to say was that being in that kind of...environment might possibly make BYU players uncomfortable and somewhat off guard. Not that it's bad that they're avoiding it. Of course he misses a very important detail with that logic...what city is the MWC tournament in? Vegas.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    March 28, 2011 5:44 p.m.

    The problem isn't that Jimmer isn't perfect (far from it) - it's that he's had this amazing career and Reilly caught his last game when Jimmer lost and played below his average. I find it pathetic in this age that a supposedly reputable writer would only watch what is dished up on East Coast networks.

    What about all the NBA players who played with him last year or watched him this year?? I'd take their evaluations far more seriously. Jimmer will do just fine - the rest of us (including Reilly) will only make a pittance by comparison in the next 10 years...

  • eagle Provo, UT
    March 28, 2011 5:42 p.m.

    FYI Uncle Charles: I wouldn't consider Jason Kidd and Reggie Miller "white" players. I think Kidd is biracial (not sure about Miller), but Kidd considers himself African-American.

    Now Jimmer's game is a lot like those players in many aspects. He is much better shooter than Kidd but not quite the defender or passer. I won't say he's the shooter Miller is either, though he might have more range, Miller was a great shooter in the college and pros (against the best competition--Jimmer's unproven). Miller is also taller.

    I wouldn't say that Jimmer couldn't become a real good NBA player. He's got more game than a Steve Kerr in the aspect of creating his own shot. Kerr was a three-point specialist who didn't really create. He relied on Jordan to drive and dish. Kerr was a good ball distributor but I wouldn't say he had anything on Jimmer on that area.

    I think if there was a player Jimmer reminded me of most it would be Jeff Hornacek, in some ways. Horny was a good shooter and could create his own shot. Horny played better defense.

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    March 28, 2011 5:39 p.m.

    To Duckhunter: Exactly.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 28, 2011 5:39 p.m.

    I think there are valid criticisms of Jimmer, particularly on defense so Reilly probably has a point... he just went over the top.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    March 28, 2011 5:37 p.m.


    And you are qualified to rate NBA prospects how?

    You see this is why BYU fans feel such a disdane for ute "fans" like yourself. You think you know what you are talking about but the truth is you are simply voicing your hate and nothing of any substance.

    We'll see how Jimmer does in the NBA and then we can revisit the topic.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    March 28, 2011 5:33 p.m.

    by the way hedgie, we all know who 'owns' the exclusive rights to the word 'exposed'. It was defined last year. Do numbers like 7-47, 3-28, 3-26 mean anything to you?

    An Oscar Robertson Trophy winner is hardly 'exposed'.

    Chalk another "soul crushing" wrong prediction by wedgie and company. It's gotta hurt, doesn't it?


    Hooray for Jimmer and company!

  • UU702 Layton, UT
    March 28, 2011 5:29 p.m.

    Take the hype of the last several weeks, take Rick Reiley's article and somewhere in between is reality. Fredette is at times an unbelievable talent on offense but basketball is a team game. For all of the talk of a historic season the "team" shared a regular season title, lost in the conference tournament, and exited the NCAA tournament in the sweet sixteen. Fredette and Emery posted historic individual numbers in relation to their program, but if it is a historic team there is a pretty low standard.

  • oldcougar Orem, UT
    March 28, 2011 5:24 p.m.

    Slow, white point guards that play/played in the NBA? John Stockton and Bob Cousy come to mind. Not saying it's a sure bet Jimmer will measure up (and I wish he'd played smarter against Florida), but he is bigger, stronger, more athletic. He will learn to play defense. No guarantees, but I like his chances.

    Reilly is an attention-seeking goofball

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 28, 2011 5:20 p.m.

    I though Reilly's article was a brutally honest evaluation of Jimmer's performance in the last game. Jimmer is a gifted offensive player with amazing range, who could not guard his own shadow, and who has a questionable future in the NBA because of his lack of size, quickness and defensive shortcomings.

    IF Jimmer had been as great as everyone wanted him to be, he would taken his team of blue collar players upon his shoulders and shot them to victory. He did not! Instead he had a miserable night of shooting. Neither in the MNC Championship game nor in the NCAA tournament game withFlorida, did he produce. Those situations/yardsticks, where if a player is truly great, his performance will carry his team to victory.

    Who cares how many total points Jimmer scored against mediocre teams, over the course of year/career, when it really mattered and championships were on the line, Jimmer did not produce.

  • kallen001 Harrisville, UT
    March 28, 2011 5:16 p.m.

    @Uncle Charles: WOW, now Jimmer is like Larry Bird? This is why BYU fans get trashed by people in the media. You fans are myopic, you only listen to each other. The difference is Jimmer is a scorer! Nash scores and passes and is TALLER than Jimmer.

    You find me a 6-2 white shooting guard who is a good player in the NBA (within the last 15 years) and I will admit I am wrong.

  • AZRods Maricopa, AZ
    March 28, 2011 5:11 p.m.

    Everyone bashes Jimmer for not playing defense, including the players he drops 35 points on. Go figure.
    We have a guard on the Phoenix Suns who also gets bashed for not playing defense.
    He's won NBA POY 2-3 times.
    A scrawny little guy names Steve Nash.

    And Utahcountyyute, relax, no one is comparing Jimmer to James or Jordan or Nash, so stop with your little spin game.

    We are simply making the point that these great players have had bad games, and/or don't play much defense and have gone on to have amazing careers.

    Jimmer will have his chance to quiet the nay sayers some time in the future.
    But knowing him, he will show the class the neither Reilly and a few others here seem to lack.

  • kallen001 Harrisville, UT
    March 28, 2011 5:11 p.m.

    nomo, one year difference on a team like Florida is day and night. Florida was the ONLY team BYU faced that had NBA size across the board. Gonzaga is a good team but small, and I don't even remember the team they struggled with in the first round.

    Deal with the fact, Jimmer is NOT a good NBA prospect! That was the point of the article. I really can't believe you BYU fans can't see that. Thats why you are so disliked by Ute fans. You always think you are better than you actually are.

    Jimmer, great college player. Bad first round draft choice for an NBA team (based on his size and athletic ability).

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    March 28, 2011 5:08 p.m.

    I really can't stand Reilly's articles. Don't know him as a person, so can't say what he is like, but very rarely do I agree with his assessment.

    Now, I am not a Jimmer fan, or a BYU fan. I was happy when BYU lost, and don't know how Jimmer will do in the NBA. Very few people don't have questions about how their skill set will translate to the NBA. However, I think Reilly's characterization of Jimmer's lack of defense is a bit of a cheapshot on Jimmer. He very easily could be defending how he was coached. Rose HAD to have Jimmer score for the team to win. It was much more important for Jimmer to score than to lock down the opposing guard. I don't know, but neither does Reilly.

    Reilly is just going to try to stir things up and present things to support his argument.

  • phgreek Hooper, UT
    March 28, 2011 5:05 p.m.

    I just need to separate the two themes in reilly's rant...

    Part 1) lampooning a kid and his faith
    as I said in an email to ESPN...want to impress me with your in your face humor there Ricky. Make fun of an Iranian Soccer player while jabbing at the Muslim faith...whacking on Jimmer and LDS folks for being grounded and having a value system..yea you'll likely get away with it...but then thats why you felt safe enough to do it.

    Part 2) lampoonig a kids game based on one performance
    I've seen quotes from Derick Rose (played against Jimmer last summer), Larry Bird (do I need to give him context), too many others to count. The kid will be a good pro based on their comments. Not sure how a buffoon writer suddenly has the expertise to evaluate a kid's value in the league...I'm a Notre Dame fan, and was a Laker fan...trust me I know Ainge-like traits. The kid isn't afraid...he has mad fundamentals...what isn't Ainge about that? Ah yes the outcome of ONE GAME! Coined a new Mashup "Reildiculous" - Reilly being himself.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    March 28, 2011 5:02 p.m.

    Not saying that Jimmer is anything close to Pistol Pete in ability or contribution to the game but it may interest some of you that while at LSU Pistol Pete never led his team to the NCAA tournament. Yes, it was different era because only the conference champion made it to the tournament during that time but perhaps slamming Jimmer because BYU didn't make the Final Four might be a little ridiculous.

    Also, Dale Brown the former head coach at LSU charted all of Pistol Pete's shots in his career. Pistol Pete averaged 44.2 per game for his career WITHOUT the three-point line. After Brown's charting efforts, he concluded that Pistol Pete would have average around 57 per game in college.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    March 28, 2011 4:54 p.m.

    I really don't care what rick riley thinks but the fact is Cougar fans that if we want exposure and publicity then some of it is going to be less than positive. From what I have read this year the positive opinions that have been expressed by national media about Jimmer and BYU have far outweighed the negative ones.

    Jimmer did have a tough game against Florida this year but he absolutely lit them up and beat them last year. He torched the elite eight and super athletic arizona wildcats last year and this year. He demolished the much bigger and supposedly more athletic Gonzaga players a few days previous. He torched the sweet 16 SDSU Aztecs twice this year and twice last year.

    He is going to be a 1st round NBA draft pick and will get the chance to prove he can play in that league. All we need is to have some patience and it will all work out, it already has worked out well as BYU reached a #3 ranking this year and Jimmer is dominating the post season awards.

    My point is just appreciate how great this has been and ignore stuff like rileys.

  • Rolston SLC, Utah
    March 28, 2011 4:53 p.m.

    The problem with Reilly's article isn't the criticism, it's the Mormon bashing. The entire article is full of mocking Jimmer and his bible study, Jimmer's Mormon fans in New Orleans, and Jimmer's BYU honor code.

    You can critique his game without insulting his religion, fans, and values.

    That's the problem. It isn't the criticism. It's the anti-Mormon aspect.

    However, Reilly is being called out for this hit piece by most of America. That is good to see.

  • Alpine Blue Alpine, UT
    March 28, 2011 4:51 p.m.

    @ nomo

    Thanks for the reminder to kallen001 and others that BYU beat this exact same Florida Gator team a year ago in the NCAA's. The difference: last season BYU had at least a semblance of an in-side game with Miles, etc. This tournament Jimmer was a wounded one-man show when none of his teammates showed up for the second half and we still almost beat them in regulation.

    Bottom line: Rick Reilly is a classless bigot who has targeted Mormons and BYU on numerous other articles over the years-none of them as tasteless as this one.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    March 28, 2011 4:45 p.m.

    I love Rick Reilly's prose but this article was disappointing. His assessment of Jimmer's professional future seems a bit off but the religious cracks were the most disappointing. I would like to see if Reilly has the intestinal fortitude to address this part of his column.

    Yes, a lot of people love Jimmer and with Jimmer mania there seems a lot people that also want to go out of their way to knock him off his perch. But I think BYU making the Sweet 16 and the MWC finals is a a testament to the player Jimmer is. Davies is easily the third best player on this year's squad behind Jimmer and Emery. He's also the most valuable inside player BYU has. Florida nearly made the final four and BYU was right there with them. Jimmer had a bad game and bad overtime, that is a fair and honest appraisal. But he also had games where he carried BYU on his back. His defense needs work but he isn't completely horrible there, it's just that his defense is behind is offensive game.

    Too bad and very disappointing Reilly decided to go this direction.

  • So. Cal Reader Escondido, CA
    March 28, 2011 4:39 p.m.

    As much as I can't stand Reiley, his assessment of the Florida game alone is correct. Jimmer struggled the vast majority of the game, and especially after his 30+ foot 3-pointer near the end of regulation. He was ice cold after that and into the overtime. With that being said, enough of the Jimmer "projections." He will get drafted. Only time will tell. How many Top 10 picks over the past 5 years, which I don't think Jimmer will be, are dominating in the league? Jimmer won't dominate in the NBA, but no one can tell me he won't have a very serviceable NBA career. Also, the NCAA Tourney is at the Final Four. Time to move on from a Sweet 16 game.

  • Uncle Charles Where freedom and liberty reign, utah
    March 28, 2011 4:36 p.m.

    @kallen: you crack me up with your "white boy" trash talking. Jimmer has a vertical of 36 inches. He can shoot from further away from the basket than anyone but probably Reggie Miller. If you watched Jimmer run, he's not slow.

    I don't know why you hate white guys but there have been plenty of guys like Jimmer in the NBA.

    Jeff Hornacek
    Steve Kerr
    Dan Majerle
    Larry Bird
    Reggie Miller
    Jason Kidd
    John Stockton
    Paul Westphal

    Just to name a few....I think each of them did okay in the NBA, don't you?

    And, I'd like to have seen BYU in the tourney at full strength -- will ALL players on the team. They'd have done just fine....

  • nomo Draper, UT
    March 28, 2011 4:06 p.m.

    kallen001.. your argument might have some merit if BYU and Jimmer didn't beat Florida just last year...Try again..

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    March 28, 2011 3:55 p.m.


    "Maybe one needs to reevaluate what the word "exposure" truly means."

    It's gotta be so hard for you.

    One tiny glimmer of hope from a disgruntled writer...

    and then more national POY awards trump all of Reily's negativity.


    BYU fans are thoroughly enjoying the avalanche of national exposure BYU has received this year, despite the yapping from occassional ankle biters.

  • HeroofCanton Bountiful, UT
    March 28, 2011 3:50 p.m.

    You can complain all you want, the article speaks truth.

  • kallen001 Harrisville, UT
    March 28, 2011 3:50 p.m.

    The reason the "last game" was so important is because Florida had a deep roster of very long, athletic, guards and big-men. If you evaluate how well Jimmer does against smaller players on teams like Utah, Colorado State, even San Diego has shorter players than most of the ACC and Big East Schools. Jimmer was graded against and NBA sized team in the highest pressure situation and he didn't play well. Its a fair assesment. It doesn't mean he will be a sure thing NBA bust. You have to accept the fact Jimmer is a slower, white, 6-2, shooting gaurd. How many of those play in the NBA? 0

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    March 28, 2011 3:49 p.m.

    To anti-BCS: Didn't answer my questions about the NBA teams or Harmon. Let me add another: How about the BCS, haters? Or are you a hater since you go by anti-BCS? My question isn't about Reilly. Personally, I see no importance in his writing and his opinions are meaningless to me. ESPN also has a "5 on 5" segment where 5 sportswriters give their opinions on various subjects. Subject 5 today is "What kind of NBA career will Jimmer Fredette have?" Some of the opinions are not very good. Haters? Fortunately for Jimmer, he should have the opportunity to prove these people either wrong or right. That's the way it should be.

  • MenaceToSociety Draper, UT
    March 28, 2011 3:41 p.m.

    Who cares.

    For one, columnists are paid to write non-sensical, "controversial" garbage, not rooted in reality. We have several columnists in the SLC who do the same thing.

    Secondly, not everyone is going to have undying love for everything BYU. Yet many BYU fans seem to think they are being persecuted everytime someone writes something that is anything less than 100% glowing praise for BYU. Believe it or not, people are not out to get BYU. Everybody does not hate BYU. If everyone does hate BYU the way many claim, how do you explain two SI covers in a row, the player of the year awards and all the glowing praise of Jimmer and BYU from around the country? It takes a lot less than what he wrote to bring out the BYU persecution complex, so who cares?

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    March 28, 2011 3:39 p.m.

    Does one game define Jimmer? I think not.

    Reilly mugged Jimmer much like the referrees allowed Florida to mug him... at will. Reilly is a pitiful excuse of a writer and a bigot as well.

    It was a 'below the belt' cheapshot. Could have been written differently and still got his point across. What a ZERO.

  • kallen001 Harrisville, UT
    March 28, 2011 3:37 p.m.

    The Rick Riley article was totally fair. When you are a college basketball player that is talked about by everyone, all day, and you shoot 3-15 from the 3pt line and have to take 29 shots to get 32 points in the biggest game, you are fair game. When you have a thing called "JimmerMania" and you play like crap, you deserve some heat. Are people really saying that Riley is off base by saying Jimmer is no Pistol-Pete? Come on, Jimmer didn't make the elite 8 and people are saying they are the best college B-Ball team ever in Utah! Sorry, the 97-98 Utes made the Final Four and played in the Championship. Don't insult Andre Miller with JimmerMania...

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    March 28, 2011 3:34 p.m.

    1984 for life

    Sometimes "other opinions" are simply fueled by hatred. If you're only looking for the bad in someone, that's all you'll ever find.

    Reilly hates religion, or at least has absolutely to respect or appreciation for it, and his columns have reflected that biased attitude for years.

  • jazzlover Highland, UT
    March 28, 2011 3:19 p.m.

    I invite all of you to go to Rick Reilly's article on ESPN and send him and/or ESPN an email telling him how off line he was -- of course he probably won't read it because he is too busy putting his head where it shouldn't be. However, after I clicked send I felt much better for having done so.

    Also, I am so sick and tired of hearing that Jimmer didn't play defense. If he gave the same type of effort on defense that he did on offense, he wouldn't have been nearly as effective in carrying his team in points and offensive production. Coach Rose knew where he needed Jimmer to be 110 percent, and that just happened to be on the offensive side of things.

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    March 28, 2011 3:10 p.m.

    To Nomo: What exactly is a "hater"? Is it someone with a different opionion than yours? Reilly may be dead wrong in his opinion of Jimmer(probably is). Jimmer may be passed over by 3,5,7,or maybe even 10-12 NBA teams in the first round of the upcoming NBA draft. Are they all "haters?" How about Harmon? In a March 10th column he wrote about Jimmer " It doesn't look good to complain. I don't like Fredette doing it on the court. But if you are Jimmer and miss shots, the drives and getting calls or lacking them loom as a big part of your game." Hater?

  • Lee Corso American Fork, UT
    March 28, 2011 3:09 p.m.

    Ever since "Who's Your Caddy", which was very good if you haven't read it, Reilly has been a complete zero. A one trick pony who loves to kiss Tiger's butt and appeal to old white guys who golf and that's about it. He's become a joke in the sports journalism world.

  • Silly Rabbit Magna, UT
    March 28, 2011 3:08 p.m.

    You cant compare Freddett with Marivich, different times and different styles of B-Ball. Just like you can't compare Lebron-Kobe to Jordan different times and different types of B-ball. Yea with that no hand check rule like nowadays Jordan would have averaged 40-50 a game. How about comparing Duncan to Kareem, D-Will to Stockton, anyone to Magic, you just can do that. Jimmer is Jimmer he had a great run hopefully its not over, and to whomever this Rick Riley is, well he has his opinion we dont need to like it and I dont agree with it, but thats his right. Comparing who was better Jimmer or Ainge well watched them both play and they were both fun to watch, but I would have to give the edge to Ainge because the shorts that they played in back then couldnt have been too comfortable :)

    Yes I know who Rick Riley is, never liked his stuff.

  • socalcougar! La Crescenta, CA
    March 28, 2011 3:04 p.m.

    I don't get Reilly. Whether you like BYU, Utah, Florida or whomever, why was he so vitriolic in his evaluation of Jimmer? The kid is in college. He never said he was perfect. In fact, he's pretty humble.

    I reread that article several times to make sure I wasn't missing some sarcasm, but Reilly was laying it on thick in every paragraph. He also took a few unecessary shots at Mormons. As other have pointed out, is it a bad thing to avoid getting drunk, watching strippers, and whatever else happens on Bourbon Street? And why does Reilly care? I'd like to think there is more to him than just poking fun at Mormons, but he doesn't give me much work with.

    For me, Jimmer was a pleasure to watch this season. BYU doesn't get many of these years in basketball, and this year I loved. The loss to Florida was tough, but I was impressed that we came within one point of beating a Florida team that had a lot of big time athletes.

    Thanks to Jimmer, Emery, and the whole team for a great year.

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    March 28, 2011 3:00 p.m.

    two things:

    1) Rick Reilly - consider the source, then ignore it.

    2) Jimmer didn't look all that with it in that game - except for a few brief flashes.

    Of course, I've read a few pieces by Reilly which should have had him rolling toilet paper instead of the news presses too.

    Jimmer will be a fine role player on the celtics, watch and see.

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    March 28, 2011 2:55 p.m.

    @JJJHS Funny, I used to live in Florida and follow the Gators and I have never seen your comments from several of the blogs there. Me thinks I smell just a BYU hater who just doesn't want to admit it, but follows everything they do and waits for the "right time to make an intelligent(?) remark.

    @ hedgehog...careful (again) your green is really showing through again. You are so NVS of everything BYU that it is really comical.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    March 28, 2011 2:51 p.m.

    After reading ESPN's other article on how Jimmer will do in the NBA, it sounds like most of these guys caught the last game only of Jimmer's illustrious career. What???

    Nothing from the crew that's been watching him since early January. This is really pathetic of sportswriters who get paid to know their stuff and at least watch some games. You can diss Jimmer for a bad last game but to throw the entire year out with it is pure garbage.

  • football034 Saint George, UT
    March 28, 2011 2:44 p.m.

    RE: BYU Student
    Yes Jimmer had great games but how many of those were against sub par teams? I respect Jimmer and think that he was a great "college" basketball player. Rick just laid out his performance in a big time game against real athletes and showed how that could be the same story in the NBA. Jimmer followers have been talking all year and then one guy makes a few comments and you all freak.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    March 28, 2011 2:40 p.m.

    Riley was harsh, no doubt. Really just a case of bad timing, sort of. I'd wager this is the first and only game of Jimmer's that Riley has watched. But he was valid points, that were even expressed by Jimmer's teammate, and shouldn't have to be defended by BYU fans.

    Jimmer doesn't play defense. His teammates know that, his coaches do a good job of hiding him in defensive schemes. This doesn't necessarily mean he can't, although if you read some NBA scouts opinions he can't, but that BYU doesn't need him too. Although in a pretty direct way, Riley is just pointing out what everyone knows.

    Jimmer has not been as efficient scoring without Brandon Davies. Go look up his shooting percentages since Davies left. He's had more of the load placed on his shoulders, and his efficiency has suffered. Still putting up the points, just taking more shots to do it. Just facts.

    Jimmer is a terrific college player. Worthy of his All-American status. But isn't Riley correct that he failed to carry his team on Saturday?

  • nomo Draper, UT
    March 28, 2011 2:38 p.m.

    If Jimmer doens't do another thing in basketball he has already done more than most people will ever do. an NBA career has noting to do with what he did for his school and his fans. I'm not a BYU fan nor a follower of JF but you people on here acting like somehow JF is a failure, better look in the mirror real hard. RR comparing stats from 30 years ago is also BS, college basketball has improved quite a bit from those days. Jimmer lead the nation in scoring at 28 points per game, if that's so bad where is the rest of the nation. defenses are better, players are faster, stronger and bigger and no I don't think Pistol Pete would be averaging 55 in this day and age. Rick grow up and stop acting like the hater you are...

  • Go Utes Salt Lake City, UT
    March 28, 2011 2:37 p.m.

    I am no BYU fan. Far, far from it. That said, and although it has pained me in many ways to admit it, Jimmer is an amazing ball player. I give credit where credit is due, and he deserves high accolades. He has been fun to watch. What has most of all enabled me to like him is his apparent lack of arrogance (which is normally a staple for too many atheltes at BYU). He has had an amazing college career--one that any other player would envy. Anyone who would judge his college career or future NBA career based on his performance against Florida has either had his head in the sand or is just plain out to get Jimmer for some irrational reason.

    Reilly's article was silly, ignorant, and transparent. Of course Jimmer has many skills to further develop as he continues to play. There are certainly things to critique, but not enough to write an entire article ripping him. Most of the "critique" did not even relate to basketball but was more a rant on Mormon religion.

    Very disappointing from ESPN.

    Congratulations to Jimmer and BYU for such a great season.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    March 28, 2011 2:34 p.m.

    please reevaluate the word "exposure" for us. Shucks we aren't smart enough to know what it means. We'll just sit at you feet and learn.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    March 28, 2011 2:34 p.m.

    Reilly is way off base but what got me is that the Florida game is the FIRST TIME he'd ever seen Jimmer play!!! That's shocking and inexcusable for an award-winning writer who is supposed to know top players' games intimately (notice he'd studied college game films of Maravich - why not Jimmer??).

    That said, I hope Jimmer takes to heart some of this criticism about not playing defense and not stepping it up in championship play which HE HAS NOT DONE this past few weeks!! He died in the SDSU MWC championship and then missed his first 6 shots last Thursday night and just played sloppy vs. Florida. I love the kid and he is probably my favorite BYU athlete ever, but I was so disappointed to see him play that way on the big stage. Must be hard for Jimmer to end it that way (it's not you or me or Rick that has to live with the results).

    I've learned not to predict someone's future from one event.

  • TMung99 Bluffdale, Utah
    March 28, 2011 2:26 p.m.


    Guess what Florida man, Jimmer has the AP and Oscar POY award. Whatever Reilly blows out of his mouth is nothing but smoke now, everyone agrees Jimmer is the best player there is this year in college basketball. Hands Down.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    March 28, 2011 2:23 p.m.

    Wow, a lot of ruffled feathers.

    Let me ask you BYU fans a question. Did you think this "exposure" you've been thirsting for would all be positive?


    Maybe one needs to reevaluate what the word "exposure" truly means.

  • JFFR Salt Lake City, UT
    March 28, 2011 2:17 p.m.

    These are the type of people Michear Jordan thanked in his controversial Hall of Fame speech.

    I'm not saying Jimmer is MJ (not close!) but who knows? Maybe this will fuel Jimmer a little bit.

  • Unbelievable West Jordan, Utah
    March 28, 2011 2:05 p.m.

    Reilly is a troubled soul. He either lost alot of money on the game, or had no game himself and is jealous of 'Jimmers' greatness. It's a darn good thing for him that he hid behind his cowardness, because if my mother could have got ahold of him he'd be seen crawling back to Bristol, having got wooped.

    Carma awaits, coward!

  • the-bucket-list escalante, utah
    March 28, 2011 1:57 p.m.

    I would rather live 1 hr in Jimmers shoes, than a life time in Reilly's. Rick is the kind of guy I would like to take out behind the wood shed and talk about it with.

  • utopia381 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 28, 2011 1:53 p.m.

    While the way Reilly comes off in this article is trash, I don't disagree with his points on Jimmer's NBA future. If he's picked in the lottery or mid-First Round he'll be forever labeled as a bust, he's a Second Round Pick/Bench player at best in the league. I enjoyed watching him at BYU, but Jazz better not draft him.

  • BYU Student Provo, UT
    March 28, 2011 1:52 p.m.

    Reilly is a clown. Jimmer had a bad game. So? He's also had tremendous games, games that are better than any college player has strung together this year. 52 points, thank you very much. How many times did he go for over 40 this year? So Jimmer made some mistakes. I coach lacrosse, and in my last game my goalie went nuts and saved almost every shot. I don't expect that every game. I enjoy the great performance and expect general consistency, but if he has a bad game, fine. I just want the rest of my team to help out. But BYU lost 2 starters. Woof. Reilly is a hatemonger and needs to lose his job real quick. Not just for insulting our boy Jimmer, but for general religious intolerance and bias toward one of his employer's biggest collegiate partners. Ever read his article bashing BYU back in '01 for having older players? Geez. Such an advantage, right? They get so mighty on their missions? Yeah right. I lost 15 pounds on my mission. And that's pretty common.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    March 28, 2011 1:47 p.m.

    Sorry PAC Man, I am a U of FLORIDA Alumn but the parents went to BYU. Go Gators!

    Jimmer was a good player but "Greatness" is not him. Greatness is having toughness and tenacity and defense and overall nastiness of Danny Ainge. I grew up watching Ainge and he was one tough son of a gun, unlike the soft defense of Jimmer.

    Reilly calls it right. Go Gators!

  • Just Me SLC, UT
    March 28, 2011 1:45 p.m.

    I hate byu and have for two+ decades. I have taken on people on these blogs in "friendly" banter, BUT......

    I saw ricky riley's article last week and was dumbfounded and ticked.

    Jimmer had an ASTRONOMICAL year and he found a way to cut him low. I've seen ricky host a RAPIST on a tv program and make him look like a saint. Now he takes a GREAT player and even MORE AWESOME kid (yea kid!!!) and makes him look like an evil fraud.

    Reminds me of a place that talks about calling evil good and good evil

    Riley is a PUNK!!!

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    March 28, 2011 1:44 p.m.


    Are you really comparing the Jimmer to the likes of Lebron, Kobe, Wade and Durant? Brave.

    That being said, I think Mr Reilly should have written this horrible article about 3 weeks ago if he wanted to show his hate for Mormons and lack of basketball knowledge. Jumping this kid now is just a cheep shot after a stellar year.

    I think I would take Russell Westbrooks opinion over Reilley's anyway.

    I guess this shows how ESPN looks at byU and probably every other university in Utah for that matter. They are looking for print and eyeballs at any cost, just like the tv show "Big Love". No difference really.

  • Kyle loves BYU/Jazz Provo, UT
    March 28, 2011 1:40 p.m.

    I really dislike this article, but even worse was his article a couple weeks ago on the high school kid in Iowa who forfeited instead of wrestling a girl in the state tournament. The boy said because of his faith he felt it was inappropriate to engage in a combat sport with a girl. Reilly went off in this high school kid and basically called religious people backwards. A national writer criticizing a high school kid following his convictions is completely inappropriate.

    Reilly comes off as a religion hater who is very biased. Labeling Jimmer based on one game? How about Kobe Bryant's game 7 last year???

    If he doesn't like Jimmer that's fine but at least present a good argument. Also the quote from Nick Marineau about Jimmer's defense could not have been complete. I know Nick and I'm interested to see how they got a quote like that out of him.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    March 28, 2011 1:34 p.m.


    Actually, the only ones who agree Rick Reilly's Jimmer hating rant are the very small minority of Jimmer haters, who are mostly jealous Utah fans.

    The National POY honors just keep rolling in for Jimmer and the naysayers are helpless to stop the avalanche of accolades Jimmer is receiving.

  • UnKnown85 tooele, ut
    March 28, 2011 1:27 p.m.

    That article was funny, at the expensive of a religion. I though. Jimmer played a horrible last game. His gift was he curse. He kept trying to make those three point shots with no luck. It seemed a bit much to say him studying his bible affected his game play though. It seemed like an overall silly quote.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    March 28, 2011 1:13 p.m.

    Rick Reilly tell it how it is and it isn't what you Jimmer lovers want to hear. His teamate says it best, no defense played by Jimmer. Danny Ainge 4 ever!

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    March 28, 2011 1:06 p.m.

    I wonder if his middle name is hedgehog or crisb.

  • Johnson72 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 28, 2011 1:03 p.m.

    Rick Reilly in 2012

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    March 28, 2011 12:56 p.m.

    This isn't at all surprising for Rick Reilly who has been a BYU hater for years. For him to pick one off game as his basis for slamming Jimmer, instead of evaluating the entire season, simply demonstrates Reilly's extreme bias.

    Pick any player in the NBA - Kobe, LeBron, Wade, Durrant - and you can find games in which each one of them scored over 30 points, but shot 35% or less in losing efforts.

    Are you going to judge their entire seasons or careers on one off game?

    Way to look for nothing but the bad, Rick!