No surprise here. Dave Rose going to the U would be pretty classless, and I
really don't like using that word and his name in the same sentence. And just
in case anyone is confused by what I mean by "classless," I mean
because the two schools are such rivals.I guess I disagree a little
bit with Andy, Utah's move to the Pac-12 does make it one of the better open
positions at this point in time, but the new coach will definitely have his work
cut out for him. The Utes will rise again, there is no reason to doubt that.
"It's looking more and more like Utah's move to the Pac-12 this summer will
be quite lucrative, as in very, very, very with a cherry on top"It's GREAAT to be a Ute!
Rose going to the U.? Why would he do that? Total speculative nonsense. If the U. wants a coach, look at USU. Don't pass him up again. Stew is
Of course we appreciate what Majerus did for the school and the success we had.
But Utah had a winning program before Majerus and will have one again, even if
this next coach isn't the one who turns thing around. Don't get me wrong, I
sincerely hope the next coach makes the program relevant again. But I don't
think it has to be Rose, or Randy Bennett, I think there are multiple people out
there who can get the job done.
@pocyuteI agree with you. There are good coaches out there that
could get it done. But the assertions utah was going to land a top and already
proven coach have been far fetched. Utah is what it is and for coaches that
means hiring an up and comer and hoping he pans out. Bennett may have been that
guy but he didn't want it. Now chris hill will have to keep looking and hope
whoever he gets is the guy to do it. But it is going to be a hard road back. I
really think the utah program has been run into the ground. They do have a few
decent players there currently but there isn't a single commit for next year and
of course no one there currently recruiting. That is not the formula for near
term success.Still is is a decent job and someone is going to take
it eventually. They just really have their work cut out for them and have to be
willing to take that on. It won't be easy.
Hedgehog"ESPN.com's Andy Katz had a lot to say about the vacant
Utah job opening in a blog from New Orleans. He's reporting that Saint Mary's
coach Randy Bennett won't be the Utes' next coach after interviewing for the
position and that any chatter of BYU's Dave Rose taking the job is 'foolish' and
'there's no way that will happen.' Katz also said 'it's amazing how the Utah job
has become such an afterthought in the coaching carousel.' "Seems he has different sources than you do.
"ESPN.com's Andy Katz had a lot to say about the vacant Utah job opening in
a blog from New Orleans. He's reporting that Saint Mary's coach Randy Bennett
won't be the Utes' next coach after interviewing for the position and that any
chatter of BYU's Dave Rose taking the job is 'foolish' and 'there's no way that
will happen.' Katz also said 'it's amazing how the Utah job has become such an
afterthought in the coaching carousel.'"OUCH!
Can Connor or Judkins not do it? Just wondering what you guys think about that?
Plus bring in Alex Jensen as an Asst.
Andy should not dismiss the Dave Rose option as "foolish." Well
placed sources on both sides, have stated that two meetings took place with high
profile constituents of Utah before march madness and another is scheduled once
BYU finshes the tournament. The fact that two meetings took place tells you
something, and Dave Rose still has aspirations of coaching in a national
championship game. His best chances of recruiting the talent to win a national
championship will happen in a high profile conference like the PAC 12 and not
the WCC. Stay tuned ...
Ahhhh man! Hedgehog just got "jimmered" by IN STITCHES!!!!!!
And.. Who is Andy Katz? And..Why should we pay attention to him? He is
speculating just like everyone else. Just because he writes a blog doesn't mean
he knows more than anyone else.My speculation is Still Fisher, when San
Diego is out of the Big Dance.I guess if I write a blog, then my
speculation will be credible. right?@ KSDBN Youv'e been waiting all
week to say "jimmered" haven't you.I can tell, because you
picked such a lame time and way to say it.
Duck,I agree with what you're saying about the Utah job in general,
but I think there is a possibility that Utah could get a relatively established
coach. UNLV picked up Lon Kruger, Minnesota got Tubby Smith, good grief, New
Mexico got Alford (not necessarily proven, but certainly a name). I don't view
those programs as having more potential that Utah, though they were probably in
better condition than where Utah is now. I agree, the program was run into the
ground, though I think it's better now than it was when Boylen took over (APR,
available schollies)The move to the Pac-12 has to make Utah more
intriguing than it was in the past, but it doesn't rubber stamp a big name
coming to Utah.
Andy Katz used to be a fixture at the Huntsman Center during the Fat Man's final
years on the Hill. He has always been an advocate of Utah Hoops. He's just
stating the facts about the coaching vacancy of our beloved program. No need to
call him out, or question his credibility.
BYU is in the sweet 16 maybe heading to the Final Four. They are loaded with
talent for the next 4-8 years as well. Utah is not even in the Cream
'Of' Weber Classic. Why would Rose want to go to the U?
To Golfhack20: re Judkins being able to coach the Utes - NO. He isn't a better
coach than Elaine Elliott or her successor.
In StitchesI think Hedge is right - if you read further in the
article, there is a reference to all the money the PAC-12 is going to be
bringing Utah's way. It is certainly entertaining to see how civil
everyone is - so many comments start with how great life is for us (fill in the
blank) and how bad it is for you (fill in the other blank)...an observation
would be that sport goes in cycles so what goes around comes around.If you find your pleasure in the bad times of others...well, must be a
why would stew go to utah. i think he likes playing to a full house. utah is
lucky to get 6,000 attendees. my poor utes. good luck, but the pac 10 is still
SoCalUte,If you don't know who Andy Katz is, you might want to
reevaluate your interest in sports.
@pocyuteYes utah can get an established coach. What they aren't
going to do is take away a coach from a currently successful program that is
more or less on par to utah in prestige. I don't think the pac10 allure is all
some of the ute fans on here try to make it out to be and Bennetts rejection of
the job proves that. The pac10 just isn't a top notch basketball conference.Now if utah can come up with some $ and that is what a coach is looking
for they may snag a Kruger type coach. But my money is on them hiring another
coach in the vein of the last 3 they hired. Up and comers from smaller schools
although I guess boylen was an assitant at a big school. I don't think hill goes
the assistant route this time unless it becomes obvious to him none of the head
coaches he wants are willing to tackle it.To tell you the truth I'm
a little bit surprised that it isn't attracting more interest than it is but
looking at what's there it is going to be a tough rebuild.
Well look at that, another source reporting Dave Rose to utah not gonna happen,
gee what a surprise! Once again the trolls who were posting the nonsense about
Rose to utah were dead wrong and look like complete fools, what a shocker!
Utah is a great job and a great school and the move to Pac-10 will help, but
reverse, the struggles they are experiencing. They have a long way to go before
they can outclass UCLA, Arizona, or Washington--just they haven't been able to
outclass San Diego State, BYU, or UNLV for a number of years. Worse yet, they
will be going up against a deeper conference: Cal, Oregon, Washington State,
Stanford. They are probably most comparable to Oregon State and perhaps ASU this
year. Can they expect better recruits? They can expect more interest, which
almost always yields better fruit. But if they are a perennial sub-.500 team in
the Pac 10, they'll have big bank accounts and many recruiting losses to BYU and
Utah State. Pac-10 is no guarantee of improvement; in fact, it may guarantee
only more difficulty athletics wise.
If the Utes want a big name then how about Bruce Pearl?
baseball fan"Well placed sources on both sides, have stated
that two meetings took place with high profile constituents of Utah before march
madness and another is scheduled once BYU finshes the tournament."Chris B and hedgehog are not well placed nor reliable sources.
The Utes may be a few years from being back in the game, but to have the
opportunity to coach against UCLA, Arizona etc. has got to be more intriguing
than coaching against Pepperdine or San Francisco. To count Coach Rose out of
the running sounds premature. I don't believe he will leave BYU but the
opportunity has got to raise some interest. Utah doesn't need a Trent Johnson or
a Randy Bennett. They do need a Rose, Kruger, Montgomery etc.Go Utes!!
Sports fan:Right on, hedgie and chris b talked all along how Rose
was leaving for the great job at ute. Notice none of that now, the focus is now
how much money they will make from the pac 12 contract. If they money is given,
it is because of the west ooast schools plus the arizona schools. Utah and
colorado don't bring that much to the table. So to say the least, utes and
buffalos get the crumbs from the table of the other pac 12.Also,
basketball utah will only get by, Oregon state and possibly ASU that makes them
something like 2 and 20. Football 2 and 6, they don't have to play Oregon, Cal,
Stanford so there is a chance to not loose 9.The cougars played
well, too bad it is over.
I would doubt Rose would go to the U, even if he did tentatively meet the AD. If
he does leave BYU, it would be to a program like Mizzou (whose coach just bolted
for Arkansas). BYU coaches have a tendency to stay until they are fired.
Ultimately, I'd be shocked if he left the Y.Other guys:Bennett
is out.T. Johnson is out.Pearl? Too controversial.Connor? A
possibility.Judkins? Maybe.Wojokowski? Do we need another assistent
at the helms considering they just fired Boylen?We just missed on Gillespe
(who signed at TTech).
Interesting that Dirk doesn't mention the other parts of Andy's article that say
Rose deserves to leave for a better program, such as a Big 12 team. So its not
like Andy is advocating that Rose should remain in Provo.
Why not try to get a former NBA coach? Or player?
TSTech let Knight go. He might be a decent option. He actually could coach.
However, he had trouble recruiting against the Big 12 powers.
The way things change in sports I am surprised no one has mentioned the
possibilty of BYU yet being invited to the Big 12 or some new conference yet to
be put together by ESPN after the Big 12 eventually blows up. In fact nothing
should surprise us. I too am concerned about BYU basketball in the
WCC but if independence in football works out and the ESPN relationship ends up
providing some big help in BYU basketball scheduling as it has in football,
maybe being a part of the "church league" will suit BYU administrators
just fine.Utah will find more success if they can continue to
develop themselves into BYU Salt Lake. It worked in football and going after
coach Rose does that for them in basketball. Majerus won but i dont think he
was liked or had overwhelming fan support. Imagine what it would have been like
if Judkins hadnt recruited all the local kids to play for him. Kruger would work well at Utah. We will just have to wait and see. I just
hope it is not Rice or Rose. those guys should get nice raises.
No surprise that Katz would talk longingly about the Majerus years. They were
good basketball-wise, ugly from a human perspective. But, maybe that's just
sports these days. Anyway, Katz is Big Rick's buddy; always has
been. He's one of those out of town media guys that Majerus buddied up to while
treating everyone else poorly.
The amount of anger and spite in these comments never ceases to amaze me.
utesovertide:What about the part of Katz's article that says,
"Utah basketball pales in comparison to the level BYU is at..." and
"Utah's move from the MWC to the Pac-12 sounds much grander then BYU'S move
to the WWC next season, but it may not be as significant."Coach
Rose deserves a chance to do whatever he wants. This does not mean the program
at the Y is inferior to all of the so called power conferences. This logic
sounds like the BCS and football, an attempt to keep the money and recruits out
of the smaller schools. Does anyone remember that these are "student
athletes" maybe they want to go to school as well, and to do it in an
enviornmet of their choosing.
Duckhunter and some others have made some good observations about the Utah
position. Because of what the last two coaches have done to the program,
particularly from a recruiting standpoint, Utah basketball is going to be a
challenge for any coach coming in. I think Dave Rose and Randy Bennett have
both already gone the route of taking a struggling program and turning it into a
consistent success. Maybe neither of them want to do that again and just want
to keep riding the train they are each currently on. At some point they may be
ready to leave their current programs, but not now. It may just be a timing
issue.In any case, this is a critical decision for Chris Hill and
one that could extend or end his career at Utah.
Read it again ... It says how much money THE CONFERENCE might make. Last I
heard, Utes had to wait 5 years to get their slice of that pie. Meanwhile, you
are paying 3 different H.C. and improving your facilities so you can be in that
conference. Did your Athletic Department win the lottery? You guys act like
there's no limit to the amount of money you have. Not exactly realistic. As for
Hedgehog, hop on over to the BYU boards sometime if you want to understand
negative reactions to him.
Pretty arrogant of Utah fans to believe that Coach Rose would even consider
leaving BYU for the U. Typical of most Utah fans I know, though.
Kitsutsuki @ 9:57Pretty arrogant of BYU fans to think that any coach
would want to coach anywhere but BYU. Oh yeah, Coach Whit turned down BYU.Coaches leave jobs for greener pastures all the time. Whether Utah is
greener I can't say. The money paid to the head coach will definitely be more
than BYU pays. Greener? Maybe, maybe not.So, maybe it's pretty
naive of BYU fans to think that coaches won't ever leave.
Rose? No way. My guess is Judkins.
In Stitches,We only have to wait 1 year to start getting some of the
revenue and then it is phased in over three years, but that is only for revenue
the conference was bringing in before Utah and Colorado joined. We get a full
share of the football conference championship money, because that happened after
we joined and was only made possible by us joining. The new TV contract will
include Utah in every way, because it will have been negotiated after we joined
so we will be full partners in that revenue from the start.kitsutsuki,I would think BYU fans would be flattered that we want
your coach. He would be a positive addition to any basketball program and I
think you are the one who is showing arrogance in believing there would be no
reason for him to leave BYU for the U. Bigger name conference, stiffer
competition (which is essential for national title runs and improves your RPI),
more money, and all that without having to uproot your family. Sounds like a
lot of positives to me.
In stitches, you are misinformed about Utah's timeline for money.Here is out it breaks down.2011-2012: Utah gets a cut of the
renegotiated deal for the new Pac12 which they brokered for the championship
game and the addition of Utah and Colorado. That money already is more than
Utah would have gotten this year had they stayed in the MWC.2012-2013:
Utah gets a 50% cut from the new tv deal currently in negotiations. Currently
the Pac12 is seeking the richest deal to day. Whether they get it or not
remains to be seen, but conservative estimations put it around 15 million per
team. So Utah would be getting around 7.5 million in conservative estimates.2013-2014: Utah gets a 75% cut2014-2015: Utah gets a full cut.So though they do not get the complete share, the financial benefit of joining
the Pac12 is essentially immediate
" I don't think the pac10 allure is all some of the ute fans on here try to
make it out to be" It certainly is alluring enough to cause you
to talk about it adnaseum.
Coach Boylen was getting over 800 K a year and look at his results! They aren't
going to get a proven Coach, those guys have fat contracts and a dedicated fan
base. They are going to get a up and hopefully comer and cross their fingers
just like they did with the last two jokers they hired! The Utah program is a
wreck right now, no pipeline of talent and a fan base that is delusional about
It is not the program it used to be, there is no doubting that. I remember when
the football program was just as bad. Coach Mac took it over and moved it
forward, look where it is now. Look at what San Diego State has done, a
challenging rebuild for sure.But far from impossible. Go Utes!
"...any chatter of BYU's Dave Rose taking the job is "foolish"
and "there's no way that will happen." Katz also said "it's
amazing how the Utah job has become such an afterthought in the coaching
carousel." -- Wow, I'm surprised because the Utes are in the Conference of
Champions and should be at the forefront of all elite coaching jobs. Imagine
Well I guesss if Katz said it, it must be true! That is until he says something
that is percieved to go against the BYU fan dogma then you'll be calling him a
Look at Tommy Connor's results, and how handicapped he has been in
recruiting.Tommy Connor enters his 12th season as head men's
basketball coach at Westminster College. Since reinstating the basketball
program in 1999-2000, Connor has put up some impressive numbers. The Griffins
have gone 243-105 (.698) overall while proving even more dominant in Frontier
play with a 118-34 (.776) mark on their way to seven of the last nine Frontier
Conference titles while earning a spot in the NAIA National Tournament nine
times.Last season, Connor guided the team to a 27-6 record and a
third consecutive Frontier Conference championship. The team also won the
conference tournament for the second consecutive season. The Griffins advanced
to the second round of the NAIA National Championships.During
Connor's 11-year career at Westminster, the Griffin basketball players have
received Academic All-Conference honors 92 times and NAIA Scholar-Athlete status
on 38 occasions. Last season, Westminster led all NAIA mens basketball teams
with a 3.55 GPA.He ran the floor as the Runnin' Utes' starting point
guard from 1985-1990.Where did BYU get Rose from?
Katz is a good friend of Rick Majerus and seems to believe Ute basketball
started and ended with Majerus. When BYU hired promoted Dave Rose after Steve
Cleveland left their program wasn't on the rise either. Rose turned that around
and that's why he's a good candidate for Utah. Hopefully we Utes will be
pleasantly surprised when our new coach is anounced and BYU fans may be bitterly
disappointed. That doesn't mean I want to see BYU fans upset, I just really
like your coach.
I think Tommy Connor's should be given serious consideration.
Good idea Veritas!Tommy Connor with Alex Jensen as 1st assistant
would be my wish.Not "high profile" candidates by any
means but "Utah Men" and proven leaders. Please get it
right this time Dr Hill!
Seth Davis is tweeting the Mark Gottfried is the man to beat as the Utes head
coach. Personally, I like this hire very much. Arguably Alabama's most
successful coach, if he could repeat that success at Utah, I'd be very happy.
Hey lets start the Chris B and Hedgie ticker on how many no's and turn downs
that incredible chris hill gets before recieving a yes from the "guy"
they always wanted.. LOL what a joke of a program, lets see how much money we
have to pay some stiff to before we get that yes as well. The pac 12 better
throw money at them, there going to need it.
What about Stevens at Butler. He is a up and comming coach
onyx1950,Great idea. The trick would be getting him away from
Butler. He seems to love it there and the school and players love him. I
really like what I have read about him and the Butler program and it would be
great to have that kind of leadership at Utah.
Rose will be leaving soon. It may not be at Utah but he is too much of a
commodity and when a team like LSU comes calling with 1.5 million, he will
leave. BYU went as far as they will ever go this year. There will never be
another player like Jimmer coming to Provo. Rose knows it.
i like the idea of stevens from butler, but two consecutive final four
appearances may make him a little too big and too far out of utah's reach.
another guy i think the U should look at is shaka smart from vcu. he's a young,
charismatic guy and so far in this tournament he's shown that he can coach.
@kamuteWell one thing you said there is actually true. There will
not be another player like Jimmer coming to Provo and there never has been a
player like Jimmer at utah. He simply is one of a kind. I know that is what you
meant but you were right even if completely unintentionally.As far
as Rose is concerned he isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Would you care to
make a wager on it?
If you use ESPN as a source, you must agree with what Rick Reilly said about
@mount olympusWhy is that? Doesn't ESPN, as the largest sports
network in the world, have multiple columnists, bloggers, editorialists,
announcers, reporters and others on staff with varying opinions? I wasn't aware
that Rick Reilly was the one and only official voice of ESPN. Why is it that
Rick Reilly's opinions overide all others at ESPN?You don't need to
answer any of those questions. We all know you were just trying to be a troll.
Sorry it was such a miserable failure for you.
I agree - we should look at the Butler Coach. Pac-12 Vs where he is now? Bring
that man west
If Rose leaves BYU it should be for a better opportunity, not a worse one. As
one who really doesn't care either way, the Utah job has problems that are not
easily fixed. Rose could certainly do better. The number of teams who went deep
in this year's tournament confirms that you don't have to be from a power
conference to succeed in college hoops.
papa uteSan Diego is a good one to look at. In his first 6 years of
coaching San Diego State, Steve Fisher went 81 - 97 or 45.5% winning rate.
Luckily for San Diego State, their fans were patient and didn't demand his job
during this time. The next season (2005-2006) he went 24-9 and won the
Conference Tournament. He has had a winning record ever since. This begs the
question, how long will Ute fans wait for a guy like Fisher to turn their
program around before dumping him for someone they perceive to be better?