Gov. Herbert says, Decisions should be made on whats appropriate and not
policially. Thats a real farce coming from a politician. Gov. made his decision
based on what was coming from special innterest. And by the way Gov. most
Utahans are not in favor of an amnesty(and that is what it is) and slanted
biased polls will not make it so. I intend to work to see that you are not
Ex-Indian Affairs director Forrest Cuch was an at-will employee who failed to
live up to expectations and who was terminated accordingly. Governor Herbert
isn't about to apologize for taking the appropriate action.
Hebert won't cop to any mistakes like signing HB477 or giving 13 Million $ for
doing no work so he might as well not admit to making any other mistakes. Vote
'Gov. Gary Herbert said the referendum petition against HB477 and the
just-formed working group evaluating the Government Records Access and
Management Act are not enough in the effort to fix the controversial bill....' -
Article Don't apologize for firing the Indian Affairs Directtor
Herbert. Or HB477. Or signing off on a $1.7 billion
dollar I-15 project to a donor that gave you $80,000. Or... To my Republican friends. Thanks alot! Sarcaism off.
The first 4 posters are not people I usually agree with but we have found
agreement in this issue. HB477 is a bad bill and our current crop of politicians
on Capitol Hill should be replaced. If we don't we get what we deserve.
Wow. Look at the sourgrapes comments. You people ought to be in a state that
has issues and budetary problems. This is just amazing. People working for the
governor and then not fulfilling their responsibilities, being let go, etc. have
no beef at all. He didn't have a contract. He was being rightsized. Soon
there will be another to take his place. What's the problem. I agree that the
UDOT situation is puzzling to say the least. Bidding should be handled some
other way for highway projects.
@JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidtThe people had every chance to vote
Governor Herbert out last November. Salt Lake County Mayor Peter Corroon ran
against him but he wasn't even able to carry Salt Lake County. The final
election results you ask?Herbert got 64.2% of the votes and Corroon
came in with 31.8%. We call that a walk in the park.And no, Gov.
Herbert isn't going to apologize for firing the Indian Affairs Director.
I doubt Gov Herbert will receive over 2% of the votes in the next election
because he is an employee of the people "who failed to live up to
There is nothing for which Herbert should apologize. He made a change in an
at-will position. It is not materially different than what newly elected SLCo
DA Sim Gill is doing over at the DA's office. The difference in party
affiliation the two elected executives is not a material difference.There are many positions which are merit and elected officials cannot fire at
will. But there are some positions that are at will positions; essentially
political appointments that allow elected officials to shape the operation of
certain aspects of government to their liking.It is true that
Herbert may well face an uphill battle in re-election based on his signing of
amnesty for illegal aliens with HB 116 and maybe even his initial support for
GRAMA updates in HB 477. But that is irrelevant to whether he wants to retain
or replace an at-will/political appointment.
Herbert is a failure as a Governor and the only reason he won was not for strong
leadership or giving away 13 million $, it was because he has an R by his name.
Leadership Fail Herbert
@JohnJacob "it was because he has an R by his name."I
don't think that had much to do with his winning in GOP convention where all the
candidates had an R by their name.And the republican party can no
more force people to vote republican in Utah than the democrat party can force
people to vote democrat in California. So why is Utah strongly
Republican and California strongly democrat?Might it just be because
the Republican party most closely aligns with the majority of voters' values in
Utah while the Democrat party does that in California? Or, at the very least,
the GOP might be less offensive to Utah voters than is the Democrat party and
vice versa in Cali.I really wish we had two competitive parties in
Utah. But the Democrats have defined themselves as the party of abortion,
encouraging homosexual conduct, attacking the RKBA, and socialism. Maybe the
Libertarians, or Constitution Party or some other third party can gain some
momentum.Until then, for someone in California to complain about one
party holding a majority is really laughable.
Re: JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt"the only reason he won was .....
because he has an R by his name".Yes, JohnJacob, I'll concede
that point to you. That was the same reason the Republican took U.S. House of
Representatives back from Nancy Pelosi. It was the D by her name that done em
thie governor has nothing stick to him. You would think he was not even there
when the HB477 was passed. NOw sentiment has come up and smacked them and so
they are backpedalling but not the govenor as he thinks it was the other people
who put it into law. Wonder where he was? The HB 116 which gives
amnesty to the illegals he waves his magic wand and says it is a federal issue
and dismisses the feelings of the people of the state. Those feelings were also
ignored when he helped pass the bill but again now he tosses that to the feds
and pretneds like he did not go in the face of the people who hired him.Cuch got fired for sub par job performance...does anyone have the
governors' bosses phone number?
' That was the same reason the Republican took U.S. House of Representatives
back from Nancy Pelosi.' - Rifleman | 7:11 p.m. But not the Senate.
There are way too many things that Gov. Herbert has and has not done to justify
not voting for him ever again.Some of us could see the problem with
him as the top dog in Utah government before the last election. Unfortunately that was before he demonstrated his true colors to all the world
(Republican, Democratic, Tea Party, Independent, etc.).With all that
he has done and has not done since the election, including the HB477 fiasco,
he'd have no chance if he chose to run again at the end of his current term.
Re: PaganFor what we have received we are truly thankful. And yes,
Gov. Herbert can thank Obama for his 2 to 1 victory over Peter Corroon. If the
Republicans are lucky Corroon will run again in 2012.
'Gov. Herbert can thank Obama for his 2 to 1 victory over Peter Corroon.' -
Rifleman | 10:13 a.m. Can you prove that? Or is this
more speculation on your part? Corroon ran as a Democrat. Not as
Obama. Utah has voted Republican for the last 26 years!
Is Herberts victory your 'example' of Republican dominance? Herbert
ran as a Republican, and won. So did Huntsman So did Walker So
did Leavitt So did Bangerter In fact, the last Democratic Gov.
was in 1985. 26 years ago! In fact, there have been 6
Dem gov's of Utah..out of 17. Not even half. So, your 'example' is
that Utah typically votes Republican only. Not that Herbert has done some
'exceptional' job here. And you can 'thank' herbert...
for giving us HB477. HB116 $13 million to a loosing bidder
$1.7 billion to the winning bidder and getting $80,000 from the winning
bidder on an I-15 project, to himself.
You who complain about the highway deal do not know the facts of the WHOLE
situation. You only read one side that delivers their slanted view. Read both
sides with an open mind an you will discover that the route they went was much
cheaper for the taxpayer.Were mistakes made in the process?, yes but they did
not result in someone buying a bid. If you actually understand and look into it
instead of jumping to conclusions based on media headlines and inuendo's by
uninformed or disgruntled people you will discover the truth and that will lead
to reasonable and responsible reform to the bidding process so these things
don't happen again. To accuse individuals of dishonesty without researching all
the facts is not right.
'To accuse individuals of dishonesty without researching all the facts is not
right.' - deseret pete | 11:26 a.m. And how can we do that? How can we reaserach something... with HB477 in place?
Governor Herbert, did Mr. Cuch fail in pursuing any of the following four
statutory purposes of the Division of Indian Affairs? (1)
develop programs that will allow Indian citizens residing on or off reservations
an opportunity to share in the progress of Utah; (2) promote an
atmosphere in which Indian citizens are provided alternatives so that individual
citizens may choose for themselves the kinds of lives they will live, both
socially and economically; (3) promote programs to help the tribes and
Indian communities find and implement solutions to their community problems;
and (4) promote government-to-government relations between the state
and tribal governments. Governor Herbert believes it is the duty of
the Division of Indian Affairs to (1) be subordinate (2)
represent the governor's office.If no good reason exists for firing
Mr. Cuch or a good reason exists and you continue to hide it, you have violated
statutory reason (4) for the existence of his division.You, and you
alone, decide who is fit to lead this division. Utah Indian tribes, and they
alone, decide if you care about them.
@mohokat:Brilliant lead off post! " Gov. made his decision
based on what was coming from special innterest." Last time I
looked, the native americans are a special interest group. So, what you are
really saying is that one special interest group is complaining that they did
not get the special treatment that they think other special interest groups are
receiving. Sounds like a big pitty party.Regarding Gov. Herbert
being re-elected... he may not... but one thing all of you democrats can count
on is that his replacement will not be a democrat. Another republican, but not a
democrat. Democrats have devolved into shrieking name callers who
are determined that they alone possess the wisdom necessary for society to
survive. And because their "superior widsdom", they are determined to
turn this country into a socialist state where the government takes care of
everything...for a hefty tax price, of course...from cradle to grave.What you see in Utah and many states across the country is revulsion by the
people now that we have seen behind the socialist wool the democrats so
desparately want to pull over the country's eyes.Next election,
field realistic candidates, not socialistic idealogues.
Governor Herbert's characterization of Mr. Cuch's work as sub-par might be well
spoken since there is no clearer example of what sub-par is than Herbert's own
record in office.
What a bunch of clowns we have in the legislature and the governors office.
They don't read the nonsense they secretly rush through. And they think they
can run the lucrative liquor business by closing stores. And then they
interfere in local zoning issues e.g. Yalec rest and Park City. Throw the
bandits out! GRAMA is their way of keeping the public out of their unholy
effort to play games in redistricting. Come on democrats put forth some good
candidates and clear the house...and the senate and send Herbert back to Utah