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Published: Tuesday, March 22 2011 12:58 p.m. MDT

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Considering
Stockton, UT

I avoid downtown SLC like the plague. Non-synchronized traffic semaphores make traffic a nightmare. Parking is a never ending hassle. Panhandlers are aggressive to the point of criminality. SLC seems to think targeting visitors for excessive fines is a legitimate way to raise revenue. And I just don't care for my sales tax dollars to go to support the wacky politics that come out of SLC.

I also can't imagine why people want to live stacked on top of each other, but to each his own I guess.

That all said, SLC is lucky to have as a resident an entity such as the LDS Church with both the concern for city quality-of-life and the resources to do something positive. I believe it is largely because of the LDS Church's commitment to keeping the area around Temple Square at least half way respectable that the city has not gone the way of so many other major metro areas in this nation.

Though not my cup of tea for living or shopping, I do wish the City Creek project great success.

milhouse
Atlanta, GA

I think the current ownership rate for the retail and residential portions of City Creek (over 90%), and the price of sale (300k for a modestly-sized condo) shows that the Utah market both wants and can support high-density development.

I also find it interesting that the Church is actively involved in responsible and sustainable development, including accessibility by transit. Most Latter-day Saints are apathetic if not aggressively anti-transit, mistaking responsible city planning for communism. I wish Utah Republicans would actually watch how the Church interacts with the local government in making Utah a better place to live and work.

And I wish BYU would follow the Church and encourage students to use transit when getting to campus.

John Pack Lambert of Michigan
Ypsilanti, MI

I am not sure why milhouse claims BYU does not encorage students to use transit. The much tighter limits of the extent of where approved housing is, implemented by President Samuuelson, that made it so all approved housing is within a mile or so of the campus, clearly encorages walking or use of the bus over cars.

I also know many LDS people who use the public transit system. The only Wayne State University professor I ever saw waiting for a bus was a branch president, and it was on a bus of the Suburban Detroit Metro bus system that I saw an LDS bishop.

The Salt Lake City area has a way better public transit system than does the Detroit Metro area, although Metro Detroit has a larger population than all of Utah.

Public transit could be better in Utah, and people could support it more, but to dismissively claim that most Church members oppose it can not be justified.

Thoughtful Voter
Spanish Fork, UT

Whoa, the reason milhouse claims BYU does not encourage students to use public transit is *because BYU does not encourage students to use public transit*.

First BYU changed their system so that instead of subsidizing the bus passes and charging for parking (like every other smart University and business -- including the downtown SLC LDS Church offices) they suddenly made parking "free" for everyone and jacked up the bus pass costs by $100. They unilaterally decided they couldn't possibly subsidize the evil, "socialist" transit system one iota (despite the fact that it paid for itself many times over with the decreased costs for parking on BYU campus specifically not to mention the decreased needs for public funding in the community due to less wear and tear on streets etc.) Then they feigned surprise at the 70% drop in those who felt they could buy the passes and became *the only University in the State to not offer the EDU bus passes*.

I agree that UTA is not the best run public transit system in the nation. But I ride it to work every day and appreciate that it exists at all.

MenaceToSociety
Draper, UT

What's a "skybridge"? Aren't all bridges in the sky? This sounds like a pedestrian bridge to me. The pedestrian bridge will be useful to eliminate the pedestrian / train / automobile bottleneck at 50 S Main that existed when the malls were still open.

PAC
Phoenix, AZ

I think the downtown will be cool... I hope to live in a downtown SLC condo someday. The only thing I don't understand...Why is SLC housing so much? It seems a little out of line for the rest of the country.. If someone has an answer let me know. Thanks

Considering
Stockton, UT

"responsible and sustainable development"

What exactly is "responsible and 'sustainable'" development? Are you suggesting that only high density, urban living is "responsible" or "sustainable"?

Since the early 19th century the LDS Church has engaged in traditional, LIVABLE developments. Kirtland and Nauvoo were not set up as high density urban areas.

Salt Lake City was designed so as to REQUIRE commuting, though it was farmers commuting out to their fields so their children had access to schools in the "city". From SLC south to Mexico and north to Canada, the LDS Church engaged in founding, settling, and building numerous communities, most of which were not ever intended to be high density urban areas.

City Creek is a good project for an existing urban inner city. It is not a doctrinal endorsement of how we should all be living.

Rural and even suburban living is an equally moral choice.

"anti-transit, mistaking responsible city planning for communism."

They are not communism. But they are often socialism or central planning at the expense of individual freedom. Mass transit requires massive subsidies from non-users not required for roads and private transit. Make self sufficient and I've got no beef.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

How is it doing from a budgetary standpoint?

Edmond Dantes
West Jordan, Utah

Can't wait for City Creek to open! I wish their website had photos of the progress. Let the countdown begin!

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