You keep drinking that Kool-Aid, Duck Hunter
You're pretty much arguing with yourself Max. If there are "alot of BYU
fans" that feel that way I certainly don't know them and as for you, well
you simply don't know what you are talking about. Baseball, a sport I care a
great deal about, has now taken an upgrade in conference affiliation. The WCC
has 3 top 15 baseball programs. This change doesn't affect mens vollyball or
soccer at all. Womens volleyball is pretty much a lateral move. Track and
swimming aren't any different as that is all done in meets. Really the only
sport you can even make a case for is basketball and the people in the program I
know universally say they are thrilled to be out of the MWC.Honestly
Max you probably need to do some actual research with the people that are
actually involved. You'll find that your notions are no more than that, your
You are in denial, Duckhunter. There are a lot of BYU fans who feel like every
sport has been trivialized at the expense of football. And yes, there are some
BYU fans who get very nasty at that thought of anybody moving on. Case in point
is Kyle Whittingham. The venom directed at him for turning down BYU has been an
embarrassment. Also, I must say that when Utah got to the championship game a
few years ago, I was cheering for them. I don't know if that means I am a Ute
fan or not but at the very least I don't hate them so badly that I can't see
their appeal to the Pac 10 and I do wish them well there. AND, I would't blame
Rose if he wanted to move on to a Pac 10 school. I don't think any rational
human being would fault him for that.
@MaxWell there is no doubt calling you a ute "fan" is a
low blow so I'll apologize for that but I haven't seen a single post by a BYU
fan that says any of the things you claim. No one has called for his
excommunication. No one has vilified him. No one.Many have pointed
out that taking a job like the utah job is a step down and none of us agree with
you that the basketball program has been trivialized. As a matter of fact I know
Coach Rose is happy for the change from the mwc, almost everyone at BYU feels
that way. They were all tired of being disrespected and mistreated by schools
they carried for decades. Sure the last couple of years the mwc has been strong
in basketball but that is a relatively new occurence and there is no guaranty it
will continue. Especially since it has now lost its flagship athletic program in
BYU. I don't know coach Rose personally but I have some good
connections in the athletic dept. and believe me there is pretty much universal
joy to be rid of the mwc.
Duckhunter, I am not sure what you meant by "you guys" I
am a BYU alumnus and fan and I was not thinking of any particular job that may
interest Rose. My point was that Rose leaving BYU would not warrant his
excommunication nor would it be evidence of low character. We have to stop
vilifying anybody who wants to move on from BYU. I personally hope Rose stays
but I would be the first to congratulate him if he lands something better. He
has proven himself to be a great coach and I suspect that there will be some
opportunities for him to move up should he decide to do so.
Hey max, Randy Bennett just turned down the utah job in embarrassing fashion. At
least when Dave Rose told chris hill to forget it he took pity on utah and did
it with little fanfare. wedgie still thinks he's gonna take it. LOLMaybe you guys should look for a jc guy?LOL
I tire of the implication that if somebody leaves BYU for a better job that they
are somehow revealing a lack of character, a weak testimony, or just stabbing
the entire church membership in the back. This kind of nonsense has to stop. It
is nauseating. If Rose were to leave BYU after this season NOBODY could blame
him. Certainly not after the way BYU has trivialized the basketball program by
moving to the WCC. Recruiting will be a little tougher and putting together
winning teams will be a little tougher and BYU will not hesitate to let him go
if things go south. This would be the time to get out while he is on top.
Whatever is best for his family is what he needs to do. Good luck to him
whatever he decides.
I think Coach Rose only has to look towards two people from his past to help him
decide his future:1) Former Phi Slamma Jama teammate Clyde Drexler
was hired to coach his alma mater Houston a few years ago and had two dismal
seasons, going just 19-39 before "resigning."2) Steve
Cleveland did what some are suggesting Rose do, take the head coaching job at a
secular school from his past, and Cleveland failed miserably (though we have to
acknowledge that Fresno State was in tough shape when he arrived). He had a
92-98 record with the Bulldogs over six years before "resigning" and
earning the rest of his contract in the Athletic Director's office.Why would Rose leave BYU for the world of "Win Or Else" basketball,
earning more money but with the guarantee that sooner or later he'll get fired?
If Cleveland didn't take the money at Fresno, he'd still be winning 20 games a
year at BYU. I wonder if he regrets that decision?Rose will get a
raise and stay with the sure-thing BYU gig. Any other decision would simply not
fan32 | 5:03 p.m. March 22, 2011 St. George, Utah "BYU's
sporting days are numbered. Mark my words, one day the brethren will just say no
more Div I sports at BYU. It happened at Ricks and it will happen at
BYU."===Do you kids ever get tired of spouting uneducated
hopes and wishes.Ricks College was a two year school who's Athletic
Programs often fed BYU.Once they became BYU Idaho, they lost the
program because of what it would cost to build a Div. 1 program, and it no
longer served as a feeder school for BYU.Not because football is
"evil"......and I will not "mark your words".Everyone wants us all to "mark their words", "mark it
down", "write it down", etc.Please stop giving us
assignments we aren't going to do.
LaVell Edwards was once offered the head job with the Detroit Lions and was
ready to accept. But he realized at the last moment that he would be taking a
job where eventually he would be fired. He understood that his relationship with
BYU and the Church was unique. Detroit wouldn't name a stadium after
him.Dave Rose has shown the ability to recruit the top LDS players.
How do you think he'd do with those prima dona, one-and-done athletes who head
to school with no anticipation of graduating? And if he tried to recruit his
base, the LDS type-player, he'd be run out of town on a rail. Secular schools
just wouldn't stand for it.Maybe Rose would consider returning to
Houston, that's true, but that didn't turn out too well for Clyde Drexler, did
it? In two seasons, Rose's former teammate went 19-39 with the Houston
Cougars.BYU will bump his salary. Like John Stockton told Larry
Miller, "It's not about the money but don't embarass me." Rose won't
want to break the bank but he will want some financial love.He
Poor desperate pathetic howie LOLOn the one hand he wants to use
utahs basketball record since 1981 to try and prove they are a better basketball
program than BYU is now LOL despite the obvious fact that they aren't, but on
the otherhand he wants to ignore BYU's football record since 1981 and only use
the one from the last decade, which by the way is as good or better than utah's
from the same period, to try and prove utah's football program is better right
now than BYU's.BwaaahaaahaaahaaaaaCome on howie surely
you realize how silly that is even looking through your crimson colored glasses?
Of course you don't though. You are a ute "fan" afterall. LOL
BYU brought the WAC to maturity the first time around... and it carried most of
the MWC. It will do the same for the WCC... even if the Y is only there for
the short haul. It's Rose's choice. But I think it's a lousey time for the DN
to be setting this up for disccussion. But that's Harmon's way of doing things.
All he cares about is not getting outscooped on what he knows will be a big
story. He's actually attempting to manipulate and set the stage...just like he
did Roger Reid.
Let's see, an ESPN 150 recruit, games on ESPN, or a program with 4 losing
seasons in 6 years, and regional coverage on FSN. Im sure it's a very difficult
The Deuce | 11:44 p.m. March 22, 2011 Livermore, CA "We
will now see if Coach Rose actually bought into the whole concept of BYU
football going independent and the fact that many of the other teams were thrown
under the bus to do it. He has not said anything up to this point."===Well, he did say something. Google:"BYU, Dave Rose embrace challenge of new league"Rose
will do what is best for Rose. What is best for Rose right now is to focus on
the job at hand.After that, whatever way he goes, he will be fine.
People who continue to say he was "thrown under the bus" really don't
seem to understand what that means.
The DeuceAll of that may be true, but it only matters, IF, Dave Rose
is looking to coach somewhere else.LaVell Edwards had many offers,
including the NFL, when he reached the height of his success, but he turned them
all down.I suspect Dave Rose will do the same. He's built a great
program at BYU and playing 7 games a year in smaller arenas isn't going to be
the determining factor in his decision, especially when that also include
national television coverage on ESPN/BYUtv.Gonzaga has a larger
arena than Air Force and TCU.
Utah fans having to resort to football smack in the middle of March Madness?What in the name of Rick Majerus is going on?
Let's take a look at this from the street. Rose is at the top of his negotiating
power now. There are a couple of teams out there who are now looking for
coaches. He has the most leverage now to negotiate salary and perks. Next, BYU
starts play in the WCC next year. Have you seen some of those arenas they will
play in? My high school had a bigger gym seating capacity. We will now see if
Coach Rose actually bought into the whole concept of BYU football going
independent and the fact that many of the other teams were thrown under the bus
to do it. He has not said anything up to this point. We may now see what he
really thinks. He will definitely have a decision to make by the end of the
tourney. Any guesses? He has been a great coach for the Cougars and I have
enjoyed watching his teams. I wish him good luck with the decision process.
Not at all like BYU football Howard S.BYU has had four Top 25
finishes in the past five years.Only a jealous hater would think
that's "fading into obscurity".Call us the first time Utah
strings together 3 Top 25 finishes in a row in both polls.BYU has
already had four such strings: 1979-81, 1983-85, 1989-91, 2006-2009.
Go Big Blue!!! "Without the Jimmer the Y would not be
dancing."You obviously haven't heard of Damarcus Harrison.Dave Rose heavily recruited the four-star recruit against Clemson,
Florida State, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Stanford, Virginia, and Wisconsin. You might want to check him out, along with the other BYU players who
are waiting in the wings, before you jump to such uninformed conclusions.Coach Rose just might want to stick around to see the fruits of his
months and months of labor recruiting Damarcus.Jimmer, like Danny
Ainge before him, is a once in a generation player, but if you check NCAA
tournament history, BYU continued winning tournament games even after Ainge
graduated. There's no reason Coach Rose can't continue doing the same after
Jimmer leaves BYU.BYU hadn't won a single bowl game, until 1980.
Four years later, they won a national championship.
@SportsCenter"Once successful programs sometimes fade into
obscurity, rarily to be heard from again."****************************Kind of like BYU football?
I hope Dave Rose comes back. I agree. Bad timing for this article. I would be
incredibly surprised if he signed with the U of U. He might listen to an offer
but, why would anyone want to take over a sunken ship? It would be like trying
to raise the Titanic!
Howard S."Despite a temporary downturn, Utah is a PROGRAM with
proven tournament success."You're only hoping this will be a
temporary downturn. Utah's only decent player, Clyburn, hasn't even committed to
returning next season, and Utah has nothing in the pipeline to build on.Once successful programs sometimes fade into obscurity, rarily to be
heard from again. San Francisco of the WCC, for example, won back-to-back
national championships in the 50's.With Utah's move to a "much
stronger" PAC 12 conference, it could be years before the Utes play in
another Big Dance.
@Marked it Downmment"Utah will be watching another tournament
from the comfort of their couch."*************************Kind of like BYU when the major conference teams are playing in BCS bowl
Without the Jimmer the y would not be dancing. What a perfect time for Rose to
bolt on a high note. You have to know when to hold'em and know when to
fold'em.Couldn't win a game in the NCAA before without Jimmer, no
reason to suggest the y will win in the future without Jimmer.
@CordonBleuWhen you are a non-AQ mid major independent in football
and a WCC member in basketball, and your last elite eight was 30 years ago, and
your last nationally significant football game was 26 years ago.... you are NOT
a national program in either football or basketball.And if
individual awards meant anything you might have been invited to a BCS game...
but they don't... and your weren't.
Howard S.The most important between BYU playing in the WCC next year
and Utah playing in the PAC 12 is...BYU will be dancing again next
season.Utah will be watching another tournament from the comfort of
their couch.btw, Utah was 1-2 against their punishing WCC schedule
this year, including a loss to the WCC bottom dweller. I'd be careful about
ridiculing the quality of the WCC when U can't even beat the worst team in the
Howie - If BYU "only" finishes at 29-6 next year, that will still put
them in the top 15 in the rankings and with another high seed in the NCAA
tournament. When do you think Utah will achieve either of those two
accomplishments? Certainly not any time in the foreseeable future.
Howard S.BYU football has been a perennial Top 25 team since the
late 70's (17 Top 25 finishes in 34 years); BYU has almost as many AP Top 25
finishes in the last 5 years (4) as Utah has in it's entire history (5).National ChampionshipsBYU 1Utah 0Heisman
TrophiesBYU 1Utah 0National Individual AwardsBYU
15Utah 0College Football Hall of FameBYU(7)Gifford
Nielsen (QB), 1994Marc Wilson (QB), 1996Jim McMahon (QB), 1999Steve Young (QB), 2001LaVell Edwards (Head Coach), 2004Gordon
Hudson (Tight End), 2009Larry Carr (Middle Linebacker), 2010Utah(1)Ike Armstrong (Head Coach) 1957BYU has nationally
prominent football and basketball programs.Utah has a
johnny-come-lately football program with two BCS-busting seasons, and not much
else, and a fading basketball program that used to be good.
@FanofBYU"...because of the ESPN deal..."There
is no ESPN deal for BYU basketball.
@Marked it Dow"...Cougars may only finish 29-6."********************With that punishing WCC schedule you're
Everybody who thinks that it will be harder to recruit when BYU basketball
enters the WCC are seriously mistaken. If that were the case, they wouldn't have
been able to get them now. Let's face it, the MWC is not considered a power
league either. The fact is that because of the ESPN deal, the
players will be seen much more frequently. That is what the players want. They
will also have a much higher probability of playing at the big dance each year.
Another very appealing thing for players. But the sheer reality is that these
players are coming to BYU because of the faith. They are far more comfortable in
that environment. We are also seeing that more and more players who are not of
the LDS faith also like the environment. Less temptation to get in trouble, etc.
More than once a player's mother has wanted her son to go to BYU because of that
AZ Dave "As good as it is now, It can only go down hill from
here."You're right, BYU probably won't be 32-4, or better, next
year.But, the drop off won't be nearly as dramatic as you're hoping
for.With the team BYU will have next year, the Cougars may only
@royalblue"Utah's glory days ended with Majerus."*******************Strange comment from the fan base of a supposed
"national" football program that has done nothing to prove national
prominence since Lavell Edwards retired.
To Bugoff: Rice will not be the next head coach at BYU. He is not LDS. I have to tell you, I really like how Rose has given the props to Rice. In
fact, he credits Rice for the performance of the team. Apparently it was Rice
who has re-engineered the team to adjust for Davies being out. Two
outstanding coaches. We have been very fortunate.
Re: Veritas Aequitas"Are you going to argue that
point?"******************Why yes, yes I am.I
know that citing facts to make one's point is a foreign concept to the
collective Cougar Nation, but many people think facts are a good thing.Let's review...BYU since 1981:1 - sweet sixteen1 -
elite eightUtah since 1981:5 - sweet sixteens1 - elite
eight1 - championship gameDespite a temporary downturn, Utah
is a PROGRAM with proven tournament success.BYU on the other hand is
a proven "once in a lifetime" phenomenon.
Last summer, I posted on these boards that Jimmer would come back for his senior
year, he would lead BYU to their best season in many years, he would become the
most beloved Cougar B-Ball player since Danny Ainge, and his jersey would some
day hang in the rafters of the Marriott Center. The same is true of Dave Rose.
He will stay at BYU because like Jimmer, he loves it here and he is beloved. He
is clearly the best coach since Stan Watts and just as they had a celebration to
honor Watts and hang a jersey in the rafters for him, so will they some day do
the same thing for Rose. Lavell Edwards had many more lucrative offers but he
stayed and now the stadium has his name on it. I know that Utes and other BYU
haters will never understand this but some things are just more important than
money like loyalty, honor, legacy, service and giving back to those who have
given to you. Dave has a special relationship with BYU that he will never find
anywhere else and he knows that.
As good as it is now,It can only go down hill from here. No Jimmer, no star
that ESPN will fawn over. There will be another Honor Code problem I don't think
Coaching is the highest thing on Rose bucket list
Howard S.Utah's glory days ended with Majerus. The Utes have been in
steady decline for the last six years.Meanwhile, Dave Rose has made
BYU a national power during the last six years.YEAR BYU | Utah2011 32-4 13-182010 30-6 14-172009 25-8 25-102008 27-8
18-152007 25-9 11-192006 20-9 14-15BYU 159-44 (78.3%),
78-18 (81.3%) MWC, 4 MWC championships, 5 NCAA tournaments, 2nd Round,
Sweet 16, and National Player of the YearUtah 95-94 (50.3%), 44-52
(45.8%) MWC, 1 MWC championship, 1 NCAA tournament, 0 NCAA wins, 4 losing
seasonsBetter program???BYU by a landslide!
Howard S. | 7:31 p.m. March 22, 2011 Taylorsville, UT Re: Veritas
AequitasBetter program???Really!?!?===Ummmmmm...Yes.Are you going to argue that
If the money and opportunity is right, Dave Rose will leave. He's an excellent
coach. For most of my life I've rooted primarily for the Utes but this year has
been something special. I've found myself going to three games at the Marriott
Center and just think Dave Rose is an excellent coach and a great guy. Hopefully
the U of U can find someone special to lead the Utes back into the spotlight.
Here's to a Jimmer Jam in the Elite 8!
No reason for this article... He's not leaving.
Dave Rose is a man of deep faith and integrity. He is a perfect fit for Brigham
Young University. The two go hand in hand.Rose is 'deservingly' a
hot commodity, although he doesn't remind me of someone who defines 'true'
success by the amount of money in his bank account. Dave Rose is
@Big_Ben, I have just decided that you are my brother from another mother.
Your post was absolutely correct. The Utes will rise up on the basketball court
again, that is simply a fact and cannot be debated. You, and many other
die-hard Ute fans have been very gracious this bball season. I think you
realize that BYU's success does not come at your expense (except for the
head-to-head games, of course).For what its worth, I really enjoyed
the beat-down the Utes gave 'Bama, and I would have liked to have seen Utah beat
Kentucky in'98. The only times I have had the slightest regret for cheering the
Utes on is when a classless Ute fan comes along and beats me over the head with
those things, to remind me of what the Cougars have never done. I can only
guess the same things are felt in the exact reverse situation by Ute fans.Good luck, except for that one weekend in September!!
Re: Veritas AequitasBetter program???Really!?!?BYU has one elite eight and one sweet sixteen appearance in the last 30
years.Utah has 5 sweet sixteens, one elite eight, and one
championship game appearance in the last 30 years.Utah has had some
down years recently, but it is a PROGRAM of proven success.BYU needs
a few more deep tourny runs before they are anything more than a once in a
Why the distraction right in the middle of the tournment? Is things that slow?
I guess if you are a columnist, you have to write some many words or you do not
get your paycheck. But what a straw horse to be knocked over!! Yee gads, find
a topic where there is chance of something happening. Oh well, you
gotta eat too. Keep grinding out the obvious.
I still thank Fresno State for thowing the money at Cleveland. Cleveland is
now fired and BYU has it's best coach ever. I doubt Coach Rose is going
I enjoy reading Harmon's passive aggressive style in which he lays on a major
guilt trip towards Rose in evaluating the hypothetical conversations that he
would likely have with returning BYU players. Is this kind of journalism fair?
I'll let the reader decide.
Coach Rice is the only reason that Coach Rose is successful. If Rice leaves,
say good-bye to winning..........
Howard S. | 5:34 p.m. March 22, 2011 Taylorsville, UT Re: Veritas
Aequitas===And maybe someday you will grasp a strw of
reality...Dude, if Rose stays, will you forget all the meaningless,
petty, "stuff" you posted, and give props to the "Y"?And when BYU has better TV numbers than Utah, will you give respect to
the BETTER program? Serious!!! The BETTER program!!!Dude, grasp
reality, and that Utah is swimming in a cesspool, and BYU is at the top of their
game... And all Utah offers is a bag of "loser basketball" with a
rubber stamp that says PAC????Who would coach at Utah?Like I said last summer when Utah fans asked me to congratulate them... For
what?You have the invite. Now go get the coach!!!If it
is Rose, or anyone in the same sphere, congrats.I'm thinking more of
a Majerus embryo, somone that has never done anything, and maybe someday...
might. ====And maybe the WCC is a better conference than the PAC
12...====Your maybe's are the best comment of the day!
"Maybe the WCC will be something more than a second rate one bid conference
in 10 years..."Okay, seriously, they had 3 bids a mere 4
years ago (granted it'd be two if San Diego didn't win the conference
tournament) and 2 bids 2 years ago. Bring facts to the table, or else you'll
embarrass Utah fans such as myself.
If he leaves I would not blame him.If he gets more money, his family comes
first. Bronco Mendenhall and Tom Holmoe threw him under the bus with this stupid
independent football and West Coast Conference decision.TO: Chris B.
The Honor code is a great thing, it's really too bad you are showing your
Re: Chris B"I've heard several reliable sources say that Rose
and Chris Hill already met for lunch about 3 weeks ago and that Rose was very
interested"I've also heard from several reliable sources that
Rose might have shown a bit of interest until Dr. Hill asked him to pick up the
tab for lunch.
Chris BHedge hog does NOT count as a "reliable source" but
Re: chubbymagoo35% marginal tax rate you say? Phhttt.When Dick is on a roll, facts are of little significance.
For some reason the moderator doesn't want to post this but I've heard several
reliable sources say that Rose and Chris Hill already met for lunch about 3
weeks ago and that Rose was very interested.Reason:More
MoneyNo honor code getting in the wayMore MoneyReal
ConferenceMore MoneyCan recruit real athletes(again honor code not
getting in the way)More MoneyWon't need an all american to win an
NCAA game more than once every 20 yearsMore MoneyAny
I hope He is like LaVell. He never has to worry about playing or practicing on
the Sabbath. It would be great If the Brethren would name the court at the
Marriot Center The Dave Rose Court. Having attended the BYU-Wyoming game at the
end of this season it was great seeing BYU honor Stan Watts the way they did and
thought that could be Dave Rose in the future. Stan Watts effected his players
just like LaVell did and Dave does now. Pony up the money to keep him here. The
Church has recieved so much free advertising these past months. In the end it
will be what is more important to Dave Rose winning or being the LaVell of
Re: Veritas AequitasMaybe the WCC will be something more than a
second rate one bid conference in 10 years...And maybe BYU's
influence will allow WCC schools to build 20,000 seat arenas....And
maybe 1.3 billon Chinese will tune in at 9:00 a.m. on Sunday for a 7:00 p.m.
Saturday BYU tip off....And maybe the best basketball players among
those 1.3 billion Chinese will rush to play basketball at BYU.....And maybe every WCC basketball fan will embrace BYU as a non-AQ mid major
independent....And maybe BYU will pony up $1.5 million for Rose to
stay....And maybe the WCC is a better conference than the PAC
12...uhhhh... yeah right... only in the fertile minds of the the
collective Cougar Nation are any of these things remotely possible.But hey, when you're in the middle of your "once in 3 decades" run
at the elite eight anything must seem possible.
So many opinions, so little facts -- both sides of the discussion. Why not just
enjoy Jimmer and the rest of the tournament? Things we know today:
- BYU is really good. - Coach Rose is a great coach.
- Jimmer is the POY and deserves the title - BYU is in the sweet 16 with
a really good chance to go the Final Four. - We at most 4 more games to
enjoy the Jimmer's college career. - It is fun to watch BYU - even for
rational Utah fans (like me). Coach Rose will do what he thinks is
best for him and his family. He has earned and deserves more respect than an
article like this and the subsequent posts by fans and detractors alike. He has
a great job now and will have a shot at other great jobs if he wants to pursue
them. Pretty sure guilt trip articles like this one and/or ranting and raving
posts by fans on either side of the aisle won't sway him one bit.The
hatred on boths sides is putrid. Just enjoy the ride people.
I can't figure out how the IRS will get more than half of his salary because the
top marginal tax rate is currently 35%. A quick google search would have
revealed this basic fact.
'factology' by ute4timeonlyPlaying in front of 5,000 fans nightly.
Wrong team, drive 45 miles north from Provo and bingo, youre there!
Well the Ute women had 2,000 the other day, did the men do any better? BYU goes back to basketball irrelevancy Wrong again, no stories
about U. unless you're referencing recent national headlines about Ute football.
Trust me, those should be buried and made irrelevant, ASAP! Funny how they keep
coming up in conversations, eh? BYU is a media darling and will
continue to be so. Maybe an honor code could help U out. Otherwise Utah is just
like any other school. Gonzaga is a national brand. BYU is a one hit
wonder. A half truth. Gonzaga is a great school, has a legacy AND
is John Stocktons alma mater for which Utah residents all pay homage to BUT BYU
a one hit wonder? Don't think so. BYU's made the tournament as recent as last
year and in the past as well. I guess we discard all other sports
accomplishments, titles, championships etc. from the MWC.Keep trying
Before you all get too excited about BYU sports, remember that the trend is to
play on Sunday in almost all sports. Football will probably stay away from
Sunday because of NFL. Otherwise it would go to Sunday. Does it bother you to
see ND playing on Sunday? BYU's sporting days are numbered. Mark my words, one
day the brethren will just say no more Div I sports at BYU. It happened at Ricks
and it will happen at BYU. It is just a matter of time. BYU and the rest of the
world don't mix. Like oil and water. All of us die hard BYU fans just might want
to slowly look for other schools to support. Believe me it is coming. We just
don't know exactly when.
Why would anyone want the Utah job?Dave Rose, Tommy Connor, Chris
Jones (My personal choice), let alone the other names listed? Not
interested.Best shot they have is an "Urban Meyer" clone,
that would leave his personal clothes in the closet as he left town... Not
interested.Will Clyburn, the Utes best player... has one year, but
does not commit?They have no recruits in the pipeline, nor returned
missionaries?All they have is the PAC-12, and that and 25 cents will
buy you a cup of coffee at I-HOP...Go Utes, and Utah basketball in
ruins.Bring in Tommy Connor, Chris Jones, or the coach from South
Summit.Rick Pitino --- not interested.Rick Majerus --- not
interested. The guy who had a voice, and on youtube had a shot at a radio
career --- not interested.Stephon Petros Savas, the bestest coach fron
Junior Jazz... interested, but has a few questions.... (Like, can he recruit
Greeks?)Patrol Pioneer Park --- 3 of 10 drug adddicts... interested.Go Utes!!! What a great time to be a Ute!!!
Sorry, phone glitch.Those whose program stinks cry
"conference" or refer to (selective) "history"
Gee's Harmon... just had a talk with you about running things into the ground
and making mountains out of molehills several days ago when you had BYU canning
basketball players. Now here you are setting Rose up in similar fashion as you
did Roger Reid. What is it with you??? You're not a creative or a technical
writer...Your'e just a Sports Hack...I'm not so sure you shouldn't consider
retiring. BYU's in the middle of possibly making History and you bring a
speculative piece like this to the dinner table to see what you can stir up.
You have no sense of timing...and obviously you are attempting to get one more
very sub par scoop under your hat before they do put you out to pasture.
The coach can do whatever he feels is best for him and his family. I hope that
decision is to stay a Coug, but I will always root for him no matter what. I hope BYU pays he and his assistants the coin they are worth. I am concerned about how the move to the WCC affects basketball. It is
not a step up in conferences, but hopefully the exposure of ESPN and liberal
re-broadcasts on BYU-tv will give the team the exposure to increase their
profile on the national stage. I am thrilled with the results. If
BYU continually wins games in the NCAA tourney, they will develop the same
reputation as a Gonzaga, who is a regular fixture in national spotlight. They
have made it work and I am hoping for the same for BYU. Go Cougs!!
@Shawnm:Actually this is a news article. Although Harmon also writes a
blog this is not part of it. His last entry on his blog was March 18. So yes,
there should have been more balance, maybe a list of the reasons he does go.
I was under the impression that Brother Rose was going to take his talents to
Those whose program stinks "conference" or (selective)
Howard S. | 2:32 p.m. Taylorsville, UT Holmoe sold BYU basketball
down the river for the sake of a speculative venture as a non-AQ football
independent.===Holmoe is a man of vision. Just imagine
where the WCC will be in ten years.Any game broadcast by KBYU will
also broadcast the WCC the team they are playing internationally, which will
help them with recruiting.Playing BYU will sell out those gyms,
requiring bigger arenas (alumni in the area). I remember getting tickets from
the Ute coaching staff to watch a game at SDSU 10 plus years ago, and it was
played in a gym. Now look where SDSU is.Rose has spoken several
times about the international appeal of BYU, and their fans. Rose loves the
idea. Rose loves international appeal!Rose loves the idea of crowded
gyms, and if he makes a ton of money --- plus oldschool basketball...None of the WCC schools have a football team. Maybe, having BYU in the
conference will tie them into backing BYU football, and BYU will be the
"football face" of the WCC.Rose could have gone to
Houston, but stayed at BYU.===Howard, could you be more wrong?
Commom people it is the PAC 10.2!
Harmon has breached a topic that others have shied away from. I'd say that makes
him a journalist who is a cut above the rest. I hope Harmon's right that Rose
can't be bought, but I caught a glimpse in the tearful comments made by Rose
after the victory over Gonzaga that he's made a decision he's not completely
comfortable with and it's a decision that's not going to be good news for Cougar
fans around the world. I hope I'm wrong and he stays at BYU for many years yet
This is the worst list of reasons to stay I've ever read. Like was said earlier
- all driven by guilt. Just like BYU might look elsewhere if it thought it
could do better with someone else, Rose too may look elsewhere if the right
opportunity presented itself. Coaches change, kids adjust and programs survive.
I would expect Rose to stay at BYU, but how about giving some
positive reasons to stay, something to compete with millions of dollars and
better talent that would certainly come with a job at a major program.Bizarre article.
BYU will be fine either way. I heard Danny Ainge would be willing to retire from
the Celtics and become HC at BYU. Don't let the CEPs get to you.C-ougarE-envyP-osters
Harmon can write some decent articles. This is not one of them.
"Once "The Jimmer" is gone and BYU goes back to basketball
irrelevancy, you will find yourself on ESPN as much as Portland
State....uhhh...zero times. Gonzaga is a national brand. BYU is a one hit
wonder."BYU is a national brand, it just has a different basis
for the brand (a religious based one). It's one of those schools where even if
it doesn't win there's still going to be demand for it. "The
WCC has, and always will be, a 1 tournament team. "2010: 8Gonzaga
10St Marys2008: 7Gonzaga 10St Marys 13San Diego (they won the conference
@ute4everYou have yet to address your misunderstanding of BYU's ESPN
contract. You wanted to set a "myth" to rest yet were blown out of the
water with facts. You clearly don't know what you're talking about. So you
retreated, glossed over your lack of knowledge on your ridiculous claim and then
you come back and say that BYU is a "one hit wonder" and
"irrelevant" after Jimmer graduates. I feel sorry for you.
I get the impression you feel that if you say these things enough they might
come true. Fact: BYU has won 4 of the last 5 MWC championships, made
it to the tourney for a several years in a row and is now in the Sweet 16.If you're wanting to know an alternate spelling to the word
"irrelevant" it goes like this:U-T-A-H
Howard s.Once again you completely miss the point by judging coach Roses'
motivation. Not everyone is motivated by money. If Rose goes it will likely be
to a much bigger stage to see how he stacks up against the nations best. He is
pretty close to that at BYU now. BYU basketball will have 10+ non-conference
games. Like their football team they will probably team with ESPN to schedule
and play some of the nations top and most storied programs. More exposure, more
recruiting success and a more successful program. BYU has a very good team for
next year and I believe that is one of the factors that coach will be looking at
if he is even considering leaving BYU.
Sure he will... as head coach of the Utes!
Harmon's column reads like wishful thinking meets shameless guilt-trips. I'm not
into the guilt trip thing -- Coach Rose needs to do what's right for himself and
his family -- but I sure hope Harmon is right about Rose not bailing.
Willary,I clearly stated it as my opinion by saying, "Now that
the PAC 12 TV deal will be opened to all comers don't be surprised if one of the
bidders comes in with a deal far in excess of $200 million but it must include
BYU." Key words, "don't be surprised" which would indicate this
is my opinion. These comments boards are full of opinions and speculation.
Harmon's article is all speculation. Again, I am speculating that with an open
bidding process for the PAC 12 TV package some TV moguls will come in with a
deal worth far more than $200 million but it will have to include BYU. Up until
now the TV deal has been held exclusively by FOX. Also, I believe that the PAC
12 realizes that it has left itself open to an invasion by the BIG 12 if it
leaves BYU hanging out there as an independent.
re: atl34"You're right, however Utah has a rather prestigious
history when you look long term. It's just been crap over the last half decade
minus that one year."I agree 100%. Utah has a great tradition
AND great potential. And just as the program didn't fall overnight, it isn't
going to rise overnight. It will rise though. As a BYU fan I'm looking forward
to seeing the Utes and Cougars out here in Oregon on a regular basis.
ute4ever | 1:19 p.m. March 22, 2011 West Jordan, UT Can we please
dispell one of the rumors that keeps getting perpetuated here on these articles:
BYU does NOT have an ESPN contract for basketball like football. The WCC does
affiliate with ESPN, so they will be on national TV just as much as Gonzaga was
this year. ===ute4ever | 3:05 p.m. March 22, 2011 West
Jordan, UT BYU Fans: Once "The Jimmer" is gone and BYU goes back
to basketball irrelevancy, you will find yourself on ESPN as much as Portland
State....uhhh...zero times.===So is it 12 times, or zero
times? ...and you wanted to talk "facts"...Do you have a
point?According to College Hotline, Larry Scott, "with 12
teams, a football championship game and a willingness to play Thursday night
football/any-night basketball UCLA at Washington on a Tuesday? No problem
Scott has plenty of inventory to offer prospective bidders."Who's going to be playing at midnight ET, regionally, on Tuesday night?
I love it when so many prophets come on a blog commentary site and predict what
is going to happen in the future. They're not saying this may happen or that
may happen, rather it's this is going to happen or that is going to happen.So let me be a prophet also. I prophecy that Rose will do what Rose
will do. If he stays, he'll stay for the right reasons. If he leaves, he'll
leave for the right reasons and we don't get to decide what those reasons are.
Rose is a big boy now and he probably even dresses himself every morning.But I do find it funny that so many predict that a coach at BYU, upon
having great success, will automatically want to leave to find greener pasture.
Why is that? Maybe these predictors are BYU haters and can't see past their
long bent out of shape noses what is good with the Y and why a successful coach
would want to stay there.
Dutchman - I read the same report about the Pac-12 TV dealings.
Exepct for the part you decided to add about BYU somehow being involved? Try
not to add your opinion/prayers on to the end of a real report. How
many times does the hot girl have to turn you down before you accept that she's
just not in to you?
"money does not make one classy overnight any more than simply being in the
PAC12 makes a basketball program prestigious overnight."You're
right, however Utah has a rather prestigious history when you look long term.
It's just been crap over the last half decade minus that one year.
@fresnogirlMWC still has more depth than WCC even with the lose of
BYU. SDSU, UNM, UNLV and even CSU make up a much better top half of the
conference than what the WCC has. Heck, Boise State in basketball might even add
some value. You also have to remember the weight of what the MWC has achieved
the past three seasons in basketball and football will carry the MWC a long way
in conference respect. Look at how St. Mary's got disrespected this year by the
NCAA selection committee. Despite being ranked for a while, and making the WCC
championship game they still got left out. VCU or even UAB got in ahead on St.
Mary's. UAB wasn't even ranked. Yeah, the addition of BYU will probaly bring WCC
strength up a notch but respect and perception will always be on the MWC's side.
The WCC will never surpass MWC because of perception and respect. WCC will
always be little step brother to MWC, just as the MWC is always seen as little
brother to PAC-12. Also BYU will always be seen as a mid-major because of the
"I'm just suggesting some of these comments about vocational attractiveness
seem shallow. "Yet those big programs never have had much of a
problem with luring coaches away. See: Meyer,Urban. Perhaps the reasons are
shallow, but a lot of times those things work.
BYU Fans: Once "The Jimmer" is gone and BYU goes back to basketball
irrelevancy, you will find yourself on ESPN as much as Portland
State....uhhh...zero times. Gonzaga is a national brand. BYU is a one hit
wonder. If you don't believe, just go check the last time they were in the
Sweet 16, exactly 30 years ago. The WCC has, and always will be, a 1 tournament
team. If you think they are going to take St. Mary's over a Big East team, you
are dilusional. Gonzaga will continue to dominate in the post Jimmer era and
BYU will wallow in irrelavancy.If you want to talk
"facts", we can bring up that the PAC12 got 4 teams into the
tournament in a "down year" as it has been proclaimed. Name the last
time the WCC got 2 teams in. The answer is NEVER.So, Rose would be
CRAZY not to consider a move to the PAC12, Big East, or wherever he gets an
offer. Bigger conference. More money. Better players. More opportunity. Why
Well done Mr. Harmon. Sound views to support that argument for sure. I would
only add that head coaching at BYU is and almost always has been the top of the
banana pile for any BYU coach. It's always tough for any that leave and a sure
arrival for any that get the job.
Biggest Loser: The MWC for not allowing BYU to leave all sports other than
football in the conference while the football program went independent. Craig
Thompson could have, should have made it happen.Word is now that
Larry Scott of the PAC 12 is going to let the exclusive negotiating window for
the PAC 12 TV deal close so that he can take it to the open market and get what
he hopes will be at least $200 million for the whole PAC 12 TV package. Now
that the PAC 12 TV deal will be opened to all comers don't be surprised if one
of the bidders comes in with a deal far in excess of $200 million but it must
include BYU. So, Scott's hands are untied and he can go back to the PAC 12
presidents and get their approval for a ton of money for all of them on
condition they invite BYU into the conference. My bet is the presidents will
take it and by so doing also keep the Big 12 from picking off BYU later and
cutting into PAC 12 TV territory. Call me crazy but you read it here first.
Poor timing for this article. That said, Rose is not going to sell his
birthright for a mess of pottage. There are a few guys in the world who still
put committment, integrity, family and the Cougar Nation before the almighty
buck, although I hope he gets a new contract which pays him what he is worth.
It is a slow news day, and Dick Harmon got carried away. Nothing more, nothing
Holmoe sold BYU basketball down the river for the sake of a speculative venture
as a non-AQ football independent.Rose will leave BYU. If not to
Utah, certainly someone will offer him $1.5 mil. Money will talk
and his players and recruits will understand that.
Some of the arguments from both fan bases make me laugh. -This is a
BYU article my fellow Utah fans. Let's not sidetrack the discussion. -BYU is going into a great situation. I think Rose sticks around. I look at
my Utes and Whittingham. Every year, his name comes up for major jobs.
Floriday, Miami, Tennessee, to name a few. But he never goes after them. He
likes his situation. Rose strikes me as being the same. Sure, higher paying
jobs might be offered (technically, Whittingham has never been
"offered" a job, but he is usually on the short list of those teams),
but Rose has a great situation. Great recruits coming in, solid players on
missions, the potential for even more recruits, ESPN, to just name a few. -He is not coming to Utah, just give it up my fellow Ute fans. Now, I have ripped on my own fans, I do need to say this: To the BYU
fans who are slamming Utah and saying we don't add value to the Pac-12. What
goes around comes around. We will be back, and you will have rough years ahead.
Enjoy the present, you have it great.
With all due respect (and I really do respect the U of U), some fans claiming
Rose will come to Utah because they are now PAC12 reminds me of lottery winners.
Sure, lottery winners can move to upscale neighborhoods and can now move their
cars off the lawns and into the garage, but money does not make one classy
overnight any more than simply being in the PAC12 makes a basketball program
prestigious overnight. Utah's facilities are worse, attendance is abysmal, no
prospects on the horizon, your national TV exposure will be based solely on the
draw of your opponent, etc, etc. I have no idea what Rose will do. I
hope he stays at BYU but one reason Rose might take the Utah job is the
challenge of taking a once great program that is way down and turning it around.
There is a lot of potential because of the PAC12 (and is a good university) but
it would probably take 3-5 years and a lot of work. Unlike simply winning the
As a BYU fan I am concerned that Rose might leave but some of the comments on
here about why he would go to Utah really have no merit. BYU most likely can pay
more than the Utes do. They spent all their money on football coaches. As far as
the comment about playing in fornt of 5,000 fans nightly being a problem at
BYU, that would only be a problem if he did go to Utah, where as all their home
games only get this amount. Just being called a PAC-12 school really doesn't
just automatically get you top recruits. Arizona State, Oregon, Oregon State,
Nebraska, Depaul,Auburn, Alabama, and many others are affiliated with a big
conference and most certainly do not get better recruits than BYU does.
I realize this is a blog, and not a true news article, but where's the balance?
Where's the "Reasons Rose is Gone" list? Personally, I think Rose has
a lot of incentive to leave BYU right now, whether it's for another program, or
just to retire, or change careers altogether. He doesn't have a Jimmer Fredette
to help lift the team next year, so there's no guarantee that they'll be going
this deep into the tournament again next year, so why not end on a high note?
And so what if players committed to play for BYU specifically for him? Players
should know enough that you commit to programs, not coaches, because coaches can
be removed a lot more easily than athletic programs. In fact, I doubt if many
fired or quitting coaches take the time to call their recruits to apologize,
simply for that reason.
Bronco Loco Ernest T. Bass is just being sarcastic; HE doesn't even
believe what he posted.That said, it's silly trying to predict the
future strength of the PAC 12, MWC, WCC and WAC conferences based on this
year.Just as in football, adding Boise State to the MWC and
substracting them from the WAC, dramatically changed the strength of both
conferences,adding BYU to the WCC and subtracting BYU from the MWC
will change the strength of those two conferences substantially. It
won't make the WCC as good as the MWC, but it will make them much closer in
strength.On the other hand, adding Utah to the PAC 12 will hardly
make any difference in the strength of the MWC and PAC 12 conferences.
Sometimes the comments on here leave me very puzzled about what y'all do for a
living. Job satisfaction is a result of so many things beyond mere money
(especially someone who believes in the tenets of the LDS church), and this
becomes more pronounced after certain thresholds are passed. Atmosphere.
Culture. Organizational objectives. Opportunity to make a difference in the
world. I don't pretend to know Rose's value system, but from my
perspective statements like "better conference elsewhere" or
"more money" or "no honor code (which actually sounds more like a
reason to stay at BYU)" or "access to athletes who don't want to live
the honor code" don't sound very enticing. To work in an organization that
is aligned with your personal values, gives you the opportunity to provide
leadership (it's not just about basketball) to young men striving to meet a high
moral standard, having success while doing it, and obtaining a very secure
financial position sounds extremely enticing. It's an offer that no other school
can provide. I'm not saying what Rose should do. I'm just suggesting
some of these comments about vocational attractiveness seem shallow.
Chris Peterson could leave Boise State for more money as well - but so did
Hawkins. Look where Hawkins ended up. Peterson learned a lesson - the easy way.
Bronco Loco Your list won't look the same in the future as MWC loses
BYU and WCC gains BYU. To quote the CBS commentators from Saturday's
game: "The West Coast Conference is a good Conference that is about to get
even better with the addition of BYU."
"So it probably be BYU and Gonzaga most years. If either teams are down
you're looking at a 1 bid WCC. "St Mary's is a very good
program that will be competitive. I can see 3 WCC bids if all three of those
making it if they all are doing quite well and the selection committee stops
wasting 11 slots for the big east conference.
I see lots of bitterly disappointed Utah fans complaining about Dick Harmon
pulling the rug out from under their Dave Rose dreams.After the
euphoria of last June, reality is starting to settle in, that simply being in a
major conference doesn't automatically make you a major program.It
may be hard for Utah fans to comprehend, but there are many great coaches and
great players out there who perfectly content to coach and play for a major
program in a smaller conference.
ute4ever | 1:19 p.m. West Jordan, UT Can we please dispell one of
the rumors that keeps getting perpetuated here on these articles: BYU does NOT
have an ESPN contract for basketball like football. The WCC does affiliate with
ESPN, so they will be on national TV just as much as Gonzaga was this year. ===Yawn...During this regular season, Gonzaga appears
on ESPN twice; ESPNU twice; and ESPN2 10 times.However:The WCC is in the final year of its deal with ESPN, and Zaninovich is in the
process of negotiating our next agreement. He expects an announcement in the
next couple of months and certainly by the summer. We feel good about our
commitment to ESPN and vice versa.Having an athletic department with
the strength of BYUs will help in terms of securing what we hope will be a
long-term commitment with ESPN on the right terms for us. And, specifically, a
mens basketball program with the profile and strength of BYU. Never stronger
than right now, so our timing is good.New ESPN contract, new terms,
new money, and everygame internationally televised.So, what was your
I'd be excited for Rose whether he chooses to stay at the Y or move on somewhere
else. I wouldn't blame him if he left--playing in high school gymnasiums on
late night ESPN programming is a rather depressing thought. BYU basketball
might be fighting to stay in some kind of limelight next season.
He's not going to Utah. If Jimmer had another year or two left he'd probably
stay but frankly, without Jimmer BYU is probably only as good as Utah which is
I guess Dick Harmon has been reading some of the wishful thinking coming from
Michigan on the BYU boards. Just because HH and CB keep saying it, doesn't make
it true. Dave will make any big decision like this thoughtfully and prayerfully
and, regardless of what the answer is, BYU will be fine.@ JJ
MoralesActually, Steve left for his hometown. His Alma Maters are UC
Irvine and Fresno Pacific University.
It seems that many of these comments exhibit a great deal of shallowness. Like
Lavell Edwards, I think Dave Rose has much more depth than just money or getting
a wider range of recruits. He has just proved that winning isn't everything by
suspending Brandon Davies. I think he will stay.
I find great humor in reading many of these comments ... for instance, 'byu cannot pay what Utah, and other school's will surely offer.' - Utah
ManFYI, utah had to borrow money from the Pac12 just to buy out
their former coach's contract. They don't have loads of money to throw around.
Even if they did offer him a huge salary, how well would that sit with
whittingham ? Funny stuff.How about ...'as a Utah fan
it is intriguing to think of him having more recruiting freedom in a BCS
conference' - williaryFYI, basketball is not part of the BCS. What
exactly does utah have to offer recruits that BYU doesn't ? BYU will have
better exposure with the WCC ESPN contract and BYUTV. BYU has better academics.
BYU has a much better program.For those of you that think Rose will
leave for a 'real shot' at a NCAA title, he already has that. Hello ... have
you been under a rock this whole year ? What do you think he has this year ?
Yup, a real shot at an NCAA title.
Maybe the writer needs to do some yardwork. He is trying to be negative; we
certainly don't need this here.
ute4ever"I personally hope he stays in Utah, coaches in a PAC12
school that pays him more and allows 4 teams into the tournament (in a down
year), instead of playing in front of 5,000 fans nightly in a league where only
1 team goes dancing!!!"Nice hyperbole, but here are the real
facts.In a nine-team league, BYU will only be playing EIGHT road WCC
games, out of 28 regular season games. That's hardly nightly. And Gonzaga's
arena seats over 6,000, which is larger than a couple of arenas in the MWC.With BYU in the WCC, the league will be a 2 or 3 bid league with Gonzaga
and BYU being regulars, and teams like Saint Mary's, Portland, and San Francisco
frequently making the league a 3 bid league.There's no guarantee
that the PAC 12 will be a four bid league, in fact, USC was lucky to get into
the tournament this year and was promptly bounced before what used to be the
first round even started.As far as Utah is concerned, it doesn't
matter, because the Utes regularly finished 6th or 7th in the MWC.
uteforever said: "The WCC does affiliate with ESPN, so they will be on
national TV just as much as Gonzaga was this year."-I just
checked it, Gonzaga was on either ESPN or ESPN2 fourteen times this season (not
including the NCAA tournament). Maybe it's YOU that's perpetuating the false
rumors. As for your money argument, you have no idea what BYU will
be paying Coach Rose nor what any other school might be offering them. BYU will
only be getting better in the years ahead with excellent players returning and
fantastic recruits coming in.
It's a job, not a calling. Only Rose can decide what's best for his family. He
doesn't owe his recruits anything.
I happen to think the big issue is that Dave Rose is happy in his own skin.It took me a while to decide I liked Rose (not that it mattered one whit
what I thought). The guy is a rock star quality soul. He knows who he is. He
knows what he values.He loves his job. He knows he cannot duplicate
BYU's culture anywhere in the world.The only question mark in my
mind is "What doe he think his Heavenly Father wants him to do?"
@Ernest T. Bass:Uh...I highly doubt the WCC will get six or seven bids in
the NCAA Tournament in in my lifetime. Maybe 3 bids but that's stretching it.
The WCC is usually ranked between 10-13 in conference rankings. There's no way
the committee awards a conference that is ranked that low that many bids
especially with the east coast bias. Just in case you didn't know the pecking
order on the west coast is the following:1. PAC-122. MWC3. WCC4. WAC5. Big West6. Big Sky or whatever other western
based conference is out thereLook at the PAC-10 this year it was
supposedly down and they got 4 teams in. The MWC was rated higher in conference
rankings than the PAC-10 but we still got 3 teams in. The 3 team lock wasn't
even for sure until the last 2 weeks of the regular season. So it probably be
BYU and Gonzaga most years. If either teams are down you're looking at a 1 bid
Ute fans need to get out of the mind set of the PAC 12 is better in EVERYTHING!
- Outside of football your conference doesn't matter as much. In basketball
every team as a equal chance of winning a NCCA Title (unlike football). The WCC
is a strong Basketball conference. Ute fans seem to worry so much about BYU
future, yet a BYU fan could careless about what the utes are doing, hiring
ute4ever Go back and study the contract again.The ESPN
contract is for ALL BYU sports. That means non-conference BYU basketball games
are covered under BYU's exclusive contract with ESPN, and WCC games will be on
ESPN under the WCC contract, so both conference and non-conference BYU
basketball games will be televised by ESPN, and will be available for
rebroadcast by BYUtv immediately after the live broadcast for as many times as
BYUtv decides to rebroadcast the game. That means BYU fans all over the world
could tune in to watch a rebroadcast of a game like BYU at SDSU, or could select
a webcast of any game at any time from the BYUtv website.
This article is just as bad as all Dick's other articles. Wortheless! I don't think Coach Rose will leave to go to Utah. BYU fans are right, Utah
basketball would be a step down, its not where it once was. However, I do think
he would leave to coach somewhere else. It comes down to three letters, WCC. Who
wants to settle for coaching in a very average conference? Also,
Dick's reasoning is just plain stupid. Coach Rose doesn't owe anybody anything,
especially the LDS Church. By Dick reasoning, Coach Whit is a horrible person
for not choosing BYU.
Sweet 16 - 2011How many teams from the Big East?How many teams
from the Pac-10?How many teams from the MWC?"Lesser
Conference"?? - I rest my case.Oh, and I don't see Utah adding
any strength to the Pac-12 in the foreseeable future. Oh, wait - being in a BCS
Conference automatically makes you good.Rose will stay at BYU. The
good times will continue to roll.
How about reasons that Rose might leave?1. He cares more about money than
living close to family.2. He could get a better seeding by coaching a
mediocre team in the Big East than a good team in the WCC or even the Pac12.3. He could recruit players who prefer promiscuity to chastity, substance
abuse to the Word of Wisdom, and facial hair to the cleancut look.4. He
wants to let somebody else enjoy the BYU job.5. He wants his face on
national TV more.6. He wants to coach Jimmer in the pros.7. He wants
to pay more tithing to his church.8. He wants to escape Utah winters.9. He wants to get away from Utah Valley's polluted air.10. He wants to
serve in the mission field.11. He wants each grandchild to inherit more
money when he passes on.If Rose were an egotistical, fame-hungry,
money-hungry person, he might consider moving. But from what I have seen of
him, there's no chance. He probably even doesn't care about No. 11, knowing
that people who get a lot of money for nothing usually fail in life.
Those are all iron-clad reasons. No doubt he stays. The WCC will be a league
with six or seven NCAA bids from here on out. Better than the Big East and much
better than the PAC12.
Can we please dispell one of the rumors that keeps getting perpetuated here on
these articles: BYU does NOT have an ESPN contract for basketball like football.
The WCC does affiliate with ESPN, so they will be on national TV just as much
as Gonzaga was this year. If Rose stays for all the guilt related
reasons Harmon brings up, I hope all of the recruits, players, coaches, AD, and
everyone else Harmon mentions will be able to look Rose in the face and say
"You gave up millions of dollars and a chance for a real shot at the NC to
stay here at BYU....I am sorry you did that to yourself". There are a lot
of reasons to leave, and lots to stay. But having to call future recruits and
tell them you are leaving is NOT a reason to stay. This article portrays
that....terrible.I personally hope he stays in Utah, coaches in a
PAC12 school that pays him more and allows 4 teams into the tournament (in a
down year), instead of playing in front of 5,000 fans nightly in a league where
only 1 team goes dancing!!!
I certainly hope he stays, but he has earned the right to do as he wishes. He
has given us a great run, and owes BYU fans nothing (though we'd be disappointed
of course). The players would certainly be even MORE disappointed, and I think
that tends to be the biggest hurdle for a coach leaving.And let's
not forget, coach Rice has been incredible too...I'm sure a number of schools
will offer him a head coaching gig, and he'll have to balance career progress
with all these same issues.Either way, 99% of Y fans will give a
grateful goodbye to any coach who leaves on good terms as we always have (and
please ignore the 1% who don't have class).
@That's A Good OneThat's a good one.
What utah fans don't understand is that the utah job is a downgrade. They got
so caught up in their conference affiliation they forget that their program is
an absolute trainwreck that is going to be nothing short of disasterous in the
PAC 12. Less fans, worse arena, worse players, worse incoming recruits,
and a whole lot more losing. Wow, where do I sign?
One thing's for sure - at this point in the day, based on the "will he
stay" poll - 13% of those who've read this article and voted are Ute fans
while the other 87% are enjoying college basketball this year.
Dick is probably correct that Rose will return but his arguments are a little
shakey. Every coach who has left a program of his own accord has had the
conversations to which Harmon refers; it goes with the job and all coaches know
it. And there are private planes, generous supporters and other such perksw in
all major programs...much more so than at BYU. I suspect Dave will stay for a
little while but would not be all that surprised if he decided to go for the
seven-figure salary and a shot at a title.
We love Dave Rose being @ BYU!It smells like Roses!He
will become an ICON here.BYU can be back in the sweet sixteen
again...very soon!Thanks Dave, for putting BYU back in the
Utah Man "Dave Rose will also lose local recruits to Pac-12
school's because they do not want to play in a lesser league..."Your wishful thinking doesn't make it so. Dave Rose isn't going to
lose any local recruits to PAC 12 schools, especially to a mediocre program like
Utah has become.Local recruits will still be playing for BYU, which
is far more important than the conference BYU happens to be playing in at the
time.Trading the MTN for an exclusive 8-year contract with ESPN will
make playing in the smaller arenas of the WCC much less of a sacrifice. Gonzaga
has already proven that you can have a very successful basketball program
playing in the WCC.And don't forget, adding BYU to the WCC will
raise the level of competition in the WCC substantially. We already saw how
having two outstanding teams elevated the MWC this year.
Bugoff...Dave Rice would not be his replacement...He is not of the faith and BYU
would not have a non-member as the leader of a "missionary tool."
Don't think Rose leaves anyway. Recruiting will ultimately suffer in the WCC
but not for a while. BYU will continue to get the recruits it would always get
and maybe a bonus here or there. If I were BYU, I would do everything in my
power to retain him. The program becomes average in a hurry if and when he
Bugoff, It could be the case that BYU's best days are ahead of them.
But I don't think so. this is a once in a generation team. You
were the one who got ahead of yourself and said the jazz would be better (this
year) without Sloan. Now you are getting ahead of yourself a little bit on this
one too.For the record, I bet Rose stays. I think Rice leaves.
Just my opinion though.
re:Utah Manthe pac 12 isn't a good basketball conference but you are
right about the pac 12 being a much higher profile conference than the WCC. UCLA
and Arizona (sometimes Standford) are about the only respectable basketball
I have no idea if Rose will move on, as a Utah fan it is intriguing to think of
him having more recruiting freedom in a BCS conference, but we'll see what
happens. Once again my disbelief is with Harmon. I guess by the
standards he has set in this article, no coach, at any level, any sport, would
ever leave without being fired? Doesn't every coach have current players it
would be tough to leave? Doesn't every coach have incoming recruits that you
would be bailing on? Many coaches also have kids out on missions, not just Dave
Rose, that they would be leaving behind. Those are probably the most ridiculous
reasons I've ever heard for a coach not leaving. Sounds like Harmon is a little
What's with the DN allowing all of these Utah trolls to clone other bloggers'
identities?Prepare for disappointment Utah fans. It's all just a
shared pipe dream of desperate Utah fans that Rose would even consider
abandoning all that he's built at BYU to rescue that trainwreck on the hill.
@beetdiggingcougarI didn't say no bluechipper would follow the honor
code. I said most (with emphasis on most). And as far as I know Jimmer wasn't a
blue chipper like say John Wall or a McDonald's All American are. Again, I have
no problem with the honor code. In fact I'm even LDS, but even I know that
recruiting LDS kids or even kids willing to live the honor code is a very
limited base. In fact some LDS recruits are even opting to go to other schools
as evident in football. It's possible to win a national title with LDS kids but
it would be very tough.
Certainly a fair question to pose, and a number of good reasons offered for his
return. I believe the ONLY reason Rose does not return next year will be for
health reasons. He's got much too good of a thing going at the Y. He'll want to
sustain it. Plus much more nat'l publicity w/ the ESPN contract next season.
Let's just hope his health stays strong for him to remain.
byu cannot pay what Utah, and other school's will surely offer. Dave Rose will
also lose local recruits to Pac-12 school's because they do not want to play in
a lesser league, and yes, the WCC is a much lesser league. byu did Dave Rose
wrong and they know it.
What makes you think Utah could offer Rose more than BYU? BYU can do anything
they want, if they decide they want to do it. They will keep Rose if they really
want.Further, all BYU games will be on international TV. Where else
can he get a recruiting tool like that. Besides he may even get some
endorsements that would make up for lost pay at say TN. BYUs best
teams are probably ahead of them. They will have a great front line next year
and should be able to fill in the guards with capable people. I
wonder what Lloyd is thinking right now sitting in a podunk TX school. If Rose leaves, Rice replaces him. BYU goes on. I am more worried about Rice
leaving. BYU is just beginnning. The Jimmer will move on but BYU
will move forward.
Rose is a good coach - made better by Jimmer - but still a very good coach and
certainly the best BYU could find. If I'm Coach Rose and I get a BIG offer
elsewhere (maybe a 4 year $4 million+ deal) then by all means I am gone. The
only catch is Rose's health. The cancer may change everything for him and it
probably would for anyone. The stress of a BIG time program elsewhere would be
intense especially if the money was in excess of a million per year and high
stress and cancer don't mix well.
One big problem many of the "top schools" face is the under-classmen
who leave after 1 or two years for the NBA. There are many "basketball
schools" that have limited success in many seasons for this reason. I think
that would be a bigger headache than the missions BYU has to deal with. Rose also had a major health scare this past year that probably has him
thinking about where he will be happiest.Whether he stays or goes. Thank
you for being here coach.
No worries fellow Cougar fans, Rose will stay.
Let's hope he stays. BYU could be a national powerhouse in the very near future.
If not, hire Rice. He is a big part of BYU's current success. He has done a lot
of the recriuting for Rose.
Bruce Pearl was seen at SLC airport yesterday evening. Heard he was on the 'A'
list at the hill.
@Bronco Loco Yep, that blue chipper POY Jimmer...did he follow the honor code?
Rose will stay because we are entitled to him. Who cares what the
ute "Fans" say, we will conquer them. If Rose leaves, I
will go inactive. My frail self-esteem can not take another hit and the ute
"fans" would make fun of me. I told my bishop to make them leave me
alone, but they won't. Even the CTR-A class beat me up. So I spend my time
trolling the boards so that Ican increase my self-esteem.
This seems like a very biased article.Really their is 2 reason Rose
would Stay and 2 Reasons Rose would leave.And they are the same: Money and
winningMoney: Rose will be able to renegotiate with BYU after this
season. He will get a raise. Will it be as much as what the Big Programs offer
- Probably not, but no one really know. BYU is a private School so their
contracts are unknown. He may leave for money. WinningWell he
is winning - He has won 4 out of 5 conference titles. Multiple big dance games
(Florida will be his 8th game). Now BYU cannot recruit like the Top Big East
and ACC teams but any league can have very successful teams: Horizon (Butler)
WCC (Gonzaga) and still win a lot of games going deep in the Tournament I personally don't think this is BYU best team this decadeIn
2/3 years - BYU is going to be betterHarrison, Carlino - Highest recruits
since BradleyJordan ChatmanNick Emery, Thats what I want, to be like
Jimmer.Another Big Recruit (Loveridge or Parker)Starting:
Carlino, Harrison, Haws, C Collinsworth, Davies, Bench: Chatman, Winder,
Rogers, Austin, Neilson
Nothing like a story for the trolls to salivate upon. Let the rumors begin. DNews has done nothing but substantiate the little trolls wishes by
validating them and their rumors... all for the sake of clicks on a webpage.
BYU has a unique environment. I find the opportunity to work along side good,
clean, moral people who do not use foul language to be very refreshing. In fact
it is priceless.When I graduated from BYU and went to work in
Southern California I found the foul language I heard very shocking. I had not
heard profanity in more than five years at BYU.Rose deserves the
very best. He is a fantastic coach. The kind of man I would want to coach my
son (if I had one, father of many daughters here).I agree with this
article, Rose will stay.
I agree with SoCal... You provide for your family first and if that offends some
recruits it's not like it's the first time a coach has moved on for a bigger
paycheck. That said, I hope he stays but he needs to do what's right for him and
his family and not worry about Dick Harmon
To his credit, Harmon gives good reasons as to why Rose will stay. I'm more
annoyed with whoever wrote the headline. And Harmon still could have waited two
weeks to publish this article (unless there are headlines all over the place
saying Rose is gonna leave. Personally, I haven't seen them. I did hear one
rumor that Utah might want to get him, but that's not gonna happen.)
Great piece. We love Dave Rose. I think the only job he would ever leave BYU for
is his alma mater (just like Coach Cleve did).
It really bugs me when the media prints articles like this during the middle of
a tournament. Why can't you wait another two weeks? This headline and article
are extremely annoying. I can't tell you how displeased I am with the timing of
it. Let us BYU fans enjoy the ride.
I would be happy to take him, now does he come? It does not matter but the
Cougar fans sure are bent out of shape at the thought of it, not very christian,
treat him more like you treat a former offensive coordinator ... oh oops I
forgot you have ever reason to hate him also since you kicked him out and
I just think it is very classy of Dr. Hill to wait until after BYU was exposed
by Wofford last Thursday to announce the hiring of Coach Rose.
@Harmon:Gets the facts straight. ESPN invested in BYU football not BYU
basketball. It just so happens the WCC is a partner of ESPN. So, that part kind
of fell in their lap. As, far as Rose staying, I wouldn't be so optimistic. The
Utah gig is looking attractive especially now that Utah is in the PAC-12. Heck,
even Tennessee might give him a call. If he were to go to Utah or even
Tennessee, Rose could recruit anyone he wanted and truly be able to build a
national title contender. Don't get me wrong. I don't have anything against the
honor code but there aren't many blue chippers that would be willing to live the
Wow Dick....talk about a buzz kill. Could you be any less subtle in your Roger
Reid-like attempt at guilt induction? The only difference is that there are 15
million members of the church that will be disappointed in Rose if he leaves,
not the paltry 9 million that were inconsolable when Chris Burgess went to Duke.
Why not throw in how President Monson will be devastated by his choice to bail?
If Coach Rose moves on, bless his heart. He's a great coach. He's in it to
better himself and to create a secure future for his family. Shame on you for
setting him up to look like a louse if he decides to go. He deserves better
Amen! Where would he go to, Dixie State? He certainly would not be a traitor
and head up north to inherit a disaster. Why start from the bottom when you are
at the top?