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Dick Harmon: BYU basketball: Will Dave Rose return to BYU after NCAAs?

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  • Max Syracuse, NY
    March 27, 2011 3:05 p.m.

    You keep drinking that Kool-Aid, Duck Hunter

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    March 24, 2011 10:10 a.m.

    You're pretty much arguing with yourself Max. If there are "alot of BYU fans" that feel that way I certainly don't know them and as for you, well you simply don't know what you are talking about. Baseball, a sport I care a great deal about, has now taken an upgrade in conference affiliation. The WCC has 3 top 15 baseball programs. This change doesn't affect mens vollyball or soccer at all. Womens volleyball is pretty much a lateral move. Track and swimming aren't any different as that is all done in meets. Really the only sport you can even make a case for is basketball and the people in the program I know universally say they are thrilled to be out of the MWC.

    Honestly Max you probably need to do some actual research with the people that are actually involved. You'll find that your notions are no more than that, your notions.

  • Max Syracuse, NY
    March 24, 2011 4:23 a.m.

    You are in denial, Duckhunter. There are a lot of BYU fans who feel like every sport has been trivialized at the expense of football. And yes, there are some BYU fans who get very nasty at that thought of anybody moving on. Case in point is Kyle Whittingham. The venom directed at him for turning down BYU has been an embarrassment. Also, I must say that when Utah got to the championship game a few years ago, I was cheering for them. I don't know if that means I am a Ute fan or not but at the very least I don't hate them so badly that I can't see their appeal to the Pac 10 and I do wish them well there. AND, I would't blame Rose if he wanted to move on to a Pac 10 school. I don't think any rational human being would fault him for that.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    March 23, 2011 8:34 p.m.

    @Max

    Well there is no doubt calling you a ute "fan" is a low blow so I'll apologize for that but I haven't seen a single post by a BYU fan that says any of the things you claim. No one has called for his excommunication. No one has vilified him. No one.

    Many have pointed out that taking a job like the utah job is a step down and none of us agree with you that the basketball program has been trivialized. As a matter of fact I know Coach Rose is happy for the change from the mwc, almost everyone at BYU feels that way. They were all tired of being disrespected and mistreated by schools they carried for decades. Sure the last couple of years the mwc has been strong in basketball but that is a relatively new occurence and there is no guaranty it will continue. Especially since it has now lost its flagship athletic program in BYU.

    I don't know coach Rose personally but I have some good connections in the athletic dept. and believe me there is pretty much universal joy to be rid of the mwc.

  • Max Syracuse, NY
    March 23, 2011 6:34 p.m.

    Duckhunter,

    I am not sure what you meant by "you guys" I am a BYU alumnus and fan and I was not thinking of any particular job that may interest Rose. My point was that Rose leaving BYU would not warrant his excommunication nor would it be evidence of low character. We have to stop vilifying anybody who wants to move on from BYU. I personally hope Rose stays but I would be the first to congratulate him if he lands something better. He has proven himself to be a great coach and I suspect that there will be some opportunities for him to move up should he decide to do so.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    March 23, 2011 3:52 p.m.

    Hey max, Randy Bennett just turned down the utah job in embarrassing fashion. At least when Dave Rose told chris hill to forget it he took pity on utah and did it with little fanfare. wedgie still thinks he's gonna take it. LOL

    Maybe you guys should look for a jc guy?

    LOL

  • Max Syracuse, NY
    March 23, 2011 3:22 p.m.

    I tire of the implication that if somebody leaves BYU for a better job that they are somehow revealing a lack of character, a weak testimony, or just stabbing the entire church membership in the back. This kind of nonsense has to stop. It is nauseating. If Rose were to leave BYU after this season NOBODY could blame him. Certainly not after the way BYU has trivialized the basketball program by moving to the WCC. Recruiting will be a little tougher and putting together winning teams will be a little tougher and BYU will not hesitate to let him go if things go south. This would be the time to get out while he is on top. Whatever is best for his family is what he needs to do. Good luck to him whatever he decides.

  • Farid @ Pocatello Pocatello, ID
    March 23, 2011 12:35 p.m.

    I think Coach Rose only has to look towards two people from his past to help him decide his future:

    1) Former Phi Slamma Jama teammate Clyde Drexler was hired to coach his alma mater Houston a few years ago and had two dismal seasons, going just 19-39 before "resigning."

    2) Steve Cleveland did what some are suggesting Rose do, take the head coaching job at a secular school from his past, and Cleveland failed miserably (though we have to acknowledge that Fresno State was in tough shape when he arrived). He had a 92-98 record with the Bulldogs over six years before "resigning" and earning the rest of his contract in the Athletic Director's office.

    Why would Rose leave BYU for the world of "Win Or Else" basketball, earning more money but with the guarantee that sooner or later he'll get fired? If Cleveland didn't take the money at Fresno, he'd still be winning 20 games a year at BYU. I wonder if he regrets that decision?

    Rose will get a raise and stay with the sure-thing BYU gig. Any other decision would simply not be rational.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    March 23, 2011 10:18 a.m.

    fan32 | 5:03 p.m. March 22, 2011
    St. George, Utah
    "BYU's sporting days are numbered. Mark my words, one day the brethren will just say no more Div I sports at BYU. It happened at Ricks and it will happen at BYU."
    ===

    Do you kids ever get tired of spouting uneducated hopes and wishes.

    Ricks College was a two year school who's Athletic Programs often fed BYU.

    Once they became BYU Idaho, they lost the program because of what it would cost to build a Div. 1 program, and it no longer served as a feeder school for BYU.

    Not because football is "evil"...

    ...and I will not "mark your words".

    Everyone wants us all to "mark their words", "mark it down", "write it down", etc.

    Please stop giving us assignments we aren't going to do.

  • Farid @ Pocatello Pocatello, ID
    March 23, 2011 9:45 a.m.

    LaVell Edwards was once offered the head job with the Detroit Lions and was ready to accept. But he realized at the last moment that he would be taking a job where eventually he would be fired. He understood that his relationship with BYU and the Church was unique.

    Detroit wouldn't name a stadium after him.

    Dave Rose has shown the ability to recruit the top LDS players. How do you think he'd do with those prima dona, one-and-done athletes who head to school with no anticipation of graduating? And if he tried to recruit his base, the LDS type-player, he'd be run out of town on a rail. Secular schools just wouldn't stand for it.

    Maybe Rose would consider returning to Houston, that's true, but that didn't turn out too well for Clyde Drexler, did it? In two seasons, Rose's former teammate went 19-39 with the Houston Cougars.

    BYU will bump his salary. Like John Stockton told Larry Miller, "It's not about the money but don't embarass me." Rose won't want to break the bank but he will want some financial love.

    He stays.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    March 23, 2011 9:21 a.m.

    Poor desperate pathetic howie LOL

    On the one hand he wants to use utahs basketball record since 1981 to try and prove they are a better basketball program than BYU is now LOL despite the obvious fact that they aren't, but on the otherhand he wants to ignore BYU's football record since 1981 and only use the one from the last decade, which by the way is as good or better than utah's from the same period, to try and prove utah's football program is better right now than BYU's.

    Bwaaahaaahaaahaaaaa

    Come on howie surely you realize how silly that is even looking through your crimson colored glasses? Of course you don't though. You are a ute "fan" afterall. LOL

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    March 23, 2011 9:07 a.m.

    BYU brought the WAC to maturity the first time around... and it carried most of the MWC. It will do the same for the WCC... even if the Y is only there for the short haul. It's Rose's choice. But I think it's a lousey time for the DN to be setting this up for disccussion. But that's Harmon's way of doing things. All he cares about is not getting outscooped on what he knows will be a big story. He's actually attempting to manipulate and set the stage...just like he did Roger Reid.

  • SeattleUhasabballteam? Seattle, Wa
    March 23, 2011 8:39 a.m.

    Let's see, an ESPN 150 recruit, games on ESPN, or a program with 4 losing seasons in 6 years, and regional coverage on FSN. Im sure it's a very difficult decision.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    March 23, 2011 8:01 a.m.

    The Deuce | 11:44 p.m. March 22, 2011
    Livermore, CA

    "We will now see if Coach Rose actually bought into the whole concept of BYU football going independent and the fact that many of the other teams were thrown under the bus to do it. He has not said anything up to this point."
    ===

    Well, he did say something.

    Google:

    "BYU, Dave Rose embrace challenge of new league"

    Rose will do what is best for Rose. What is best for Rose right now is to focus on the job at hand.

    After that, whatever way he goes, he will be fine. People who continue to say he was "thrown under the bus" really don't seem to understand what that means.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    March 23, 2011 12:03 a.m.

    The Deuce

    All of that may be true, but it only matters, IF, Dave Rose is looking to coach somewhere else.

    LaVell Edwards had many offers, including the NFL, when he reached the height of his success, but he turned them all down.

    I suspect Dave Rose will do the same. He's built a great program at BYU and playing 7 games a year in smaller arenas isn't going to be the determining factor in his decision, especially when that also include national television coverage on ESPN/BYUtv.

    Gonzaga has a larger arena than Air Force and TCU.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 22, 2011 11:48 p.m.

    Utah fans having to resort to football smack in the middle of March Madness?

    What in the name of Rick Majerus is going on?

  • The Deuce Livermore, CA
    March 22, 2011 11:44 p.m.

    Let's take a look at this from the street. Rose is at the top of his negotiating power now. There are a couple of teams out there who are now looking for coaches. He has the most leverage now to negotiate salary and perks. Next, BYU starts play in the WCC next year. Have you seen some of those arenas they will play in? My high school had a bigger gym seating capacity. We will now see if Coach Rose actually bought into the whole concept of BYU football going independent and the fact that many of the other teams were thrown under the bus to do it. He has not said anything up to this point. We may now see what he really thinks. He will definitely have a decision to make by the end of the tourney. Any guesses? He has been a great coach for the Cougars and I have enjoyed watching his teams. I wish him good luck with the decision process.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    March 22, 2011 11:44 p.m.

    Not at all like BYU football Howard S.

    BYU has had four Top 25 finishes in the past five years.

    Only a jealous hater would think that's "fading into obscurity".

    Call us the first time Utah strings together 3 Top 25 finishes in a row in both polls.

    BYU has already had four such strings: 1979-81, 1983-85, 1989-91, 2006-2009.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    March 22, 2011 11:32 p.m.

    Go Big Blue!!!

    "Without the Jimmer the Y would not be dancing."

    You obviously haven't heard of Damarcus Harrison.

    Dave Rose heavily recruited the four-star recruit against Clemson, Florida State, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Stanford, Virginia, and Wisconsin.

    You might want to check him out, along with the other BYU players who are waiting in the wings, before you jump to such uninformed conclusions.

    Coach Rose just might want to stick around to see the fruits of his months and months of labor recruiting Damarcus.

    Jimmer, like Danny Ainge before him, is a once in a generation player, but if you check NCAA tournament history, BYU continued winning tournament games even after Ainge graduated. There's no reason Coach Rose can't continue doing the same after Jimmer leaves BYU.

    BYU hadn't won a single bowl game, until 1980. Four years later, they won a national championship.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    March 22, 2011 11:11 p.m.

    @SportsCenter

    "Once successful programs sometimes fade into obscurity, rarily to be heard from again."
    ****************************

    Kind of like BYU football?

  • UGradBYUfan Snowflake, AZ
    March 22, 2011 11:06 p.m.

    I hope Dave Rose comes back. I agree. Bad timing for this article. I would be incredibly surprised if he signed with the U of U. He might listen to an offer but, why would anyone want to take over a sunken ship? It would be like trying to raise the Titanic!

  • SportsCenter Olympus Cove, Utah
    March 22, 2011 11:01 p.m.

    Howard S.

    "Despite a temporary downturn, Utah is a PROGRAM with proven tournament success."

    You're only hoping this will be a temporary downturn. Utah's only decent player, Clyburn, hasn't even committed to returning next season, and Utah has nothing in the pipeline to build on.

    Once successful programs sometimes fade into obscurity, rarily to be heard from again. San Francisco of the WCC, for example, won back-to-back national championships in the 50's.

    With Utah's move to a "much stronger" PAC 12 conference, it could be years before the Utes play in another Big Dance.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    March 22, 2011 10:58 p.m.

    @Marked it Downmment

    "Utah will be watching another tournament from the comfort of their couch."
    *************************

    Kind of like BYU when the major conference teams are playing in BCS bowl games?

    Funny...

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    March 22, 2011 10:49 p.m.

    Without the Jimmer the y would not be dancing. What a perfect time for Rose to bolt on a high note. You have to know when to hold'em and know when to fold'em.

    Couldn't win a game in the NCAA before without Jimmer, no reason to suggest the y will win in the future without Jimmer.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    March 22, 2011 10:43 p.m.

    @CordonBleu

    When you are a non-AQ mid major independent in football and a WCC member in basketball, and your last elite eight was 30 years ago, and your last nationally significant football game was 26 years ago.... you are NOT a national program in either football or basketball.

    And if individual awards meant anything you might have been invited to a BCS game... but they don't... and your weren't.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    March 22, 2011 10:41 p.m.

    Howard S.

    The most important between BYU playing in the WCC next year and Utah playing in the PAC 12 is...

    BYU will be dancing again next season.

    Utah will be watching another tournament from the comfort of their couch.

    btw, Utah was 1-2 against their punishing WCC schedule this year, including a loss to the WCC bottom dweller. I'd be careful about ridiculing the quality of the WCC when U can't even beat the worst team in the WCC.

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    March 22, 2011 10:37 p.m.

    Howie - If BYU "only" finishes at 29-6 next year, that will still put them in the top 15 in the rankings and with another high seed in the NCAA tournament. When do you think Utah will achieve either of those two accomplishments? Certainly not any time in the foreseeable future.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    March 22, 2011 10:30 p.m.

    Howard S.

    BYU football has been a perennial Top 25 team since the late 70's (17 Top 25 finishes in 34 years); BYU has almost as many AP Top 25 finishes in the last 5 years (4) as Utah has in it's entire history (5).

    National Championships
    BYU 1
    Utah 0

    Heisman Trophies
    BYU 1
    Utah 0

    National Individual Awards
    BYU 15
    Utah 0

    College Football Hall of Fame
    BYU(7)
    Gifford Nielsen (QB), 1994
    Marc Wilson (QB), 1996
    Jim McMahon (QB), 1999
    Steve Young (QB), 2001
    LaVell Edwards (Head Coach), 2004
    Gordon Hudson (Tight End), 2009
    Larry Carr (Middle Linebacker), 2010

    Utah(1)
    Ike Armstrong (Head Coach) 1957

    BYU has nationally prominent football and basketball programs.

    Utah has a johnny-come-lately football program with two BCS-busting seasons, and not much else, and a fading basketball program that used to be good.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    March 22, 2011 10:29 p.m.

    @FanofBYU

    "...because of the ESPN deal..."

    There is no ESPN deal for BYU basketball.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    March 22, 2011 10:22 p.m.

    @Marked it Dow

    "...Cougars may only finish 29-6."
    ********************

    With that punishing WCC schedule you're probably right.

  • FanofBYU American Fork, UT
    March 22, 2011 10:10 p.m.

    Everybody who thinks that it will be harder to recruit when BYU basketball enters the WCC are seriously mistaken. If that were the case, they wouldn't have been able to get them now. Let's face it, the MWC is not considered a power league either.

    The fact is that because of the ESPN deal, the players will be seen much more frequently. That is what the players want. They will also have a much higher probability of playing at the big dance each year. Another very appealing thing for players. But the sheer reality is that these players are coming to BYU because of the faith. They are far more comfortable in that environment. We are also seeing that more and more players who are not of the LDS faith also like the environment. Less temptation to get in trouble, etc. More than once a player's mother has wanted her son to go to BYU because of that fact.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    March 22, 2011 10:07 p.m.

    AZ Dave

    "As good as it is now, It can only go down hill from here."

    You're right, BYU probably won't be 32-4, or better, next year.

    But, the drop off won't be nearly as dramatic as you're hoping for.

    With the team BYU will have next year, the Cougars may only finish 29-6.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    March 22, 2011 10:05 p.m.

    @royalblue

    "Utah's glory days ended with Majerus."
    *******************

    Strange comment from the fan base of a supposed "national" football program that has done nothing to prove national prominence since Lavell Edwards retired.

  • FanofBYU American Fork, UT
    March 22, 2011 10:02 p.m.

    To Bugoff: Rice will not be the next head coach at BYU. He is not LDS.

    I have to tell you, I really like how Rose has given the props to Rice. In fact, he credits Rice for the performance of the team. Apparently it was Rice who has re-engineered the team to adjust for Davies being out.

    Two outstanding coaches. We have been very fortunate.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    March 22, 2011 9:53 p.m.

    Re: Veritas Aequitas

    "Are you going to argue that point?"
    ******************

    Why yes, yes I am.

    I know that citing facts to make one's point is a foreign concept to the collective Cougar Nation, but many people think facts are a good thing.

    Let's review...

    BYU since 1981:
    1 - sweet sixteen
    1 - elite eight

    Utah since 1981:
    5 - sweet sixteens
    1 - elite eight
    1 - championship game

    Despite a temporary downturn, Utah is a PROGRAM with proven tournament success.

    BYU on the other hand is a proven "once in a lifetime" phenomenon.

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    March 22, 2011 9:49 p.m.

    Last summer, I posted on these boards that Jimmer would come back for his senior year, he would lead BYU to their best season in many years, he would become the most beloved Cougar B-Ball player since Danny Ainge, and his jersey would some day hang in the rafters of the Marriott Center. The same is true of Dave Rose. He will stay at BYU because like Jimmer, he loves it here and he is beloved. He is clearly the best coach since Stan Watts and just as they had a celebration to honor Watts and hang a jersey in the rafters for him, so will they some day do the same thing for Rose. Lavell Edwards had many more lucrative offers but he stayed and now the stadium has his name on it. I know that Utes and other BYU haters will never understand this but some things are just more important than money like loyalty, honor, legacy, service and giving back to those who have given to you. Dave has a special relationship with BYU that he will never find anywhere else and he knows that.

  • AZ Dave Chandler, AZ
    March 22, 2011 9:41 p.m.

    As good as it is now,It can only go down hill from here. No Jimmer, no star that ESPN will fawn over. There will be another Honor Code problem I don't think Coaching is the highest thing on Rose bucket list

  • royalblue Alpine, UT
    March 22, 2011 9:39 p.m.

    Howard S.

    Utah's glory days ended with Majerus. The Utes have been in steady decline for the last six years.

    Meanwhile, Dave Rose has made BYU a national power during the last six years.

    YEAR BYU | Utah
    2011 32-4 13-18
    2010 30-6 14-17
    2009 25-8 25-10
    2008 27-8 18-15
    2007 25-9 11-19
    2006 20-9 14-15

    BYU 159-44 (78.3%), 78-18 (81.3%) MWC, 4 MWC championships,
    5 NCAA tournaments, 2nd Round, Sweet 16, and National Player of the Year

    Utah 95-94 (50.3%), 44-52 (45.8%) MWC, 1 MWC championship,
    1 NCAA tournament, 0 NCAA wins, 4 losing seasons

    Better program???

    BYU by a landslide!

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    March 22, 2011 8:54 p.m.

    Howard S. | 7:31 p.m. March 22, 2011
    Taylorsville, UT
    Re: Veritas Aequitas

    Better program???

    Really!?!?

    ===

    Ummmmmm...

    Yes.

    Are you going to argue that point?

    Really?

  • bmg4307 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 22, 2011 8:15 p.m.

    If the money and opportunity is right, Dave Rose will leave. He's an excellent coach. For most of my life I've rooted primarily for the Utes but this year has been something special. I've found myself going to three games at the Marriott Center and just think Dave Rose is an excellent coach and a great guy. Hopefully the U of U can find someone special to lead the Utes back into the spotlight. Here's to a Jimmer Jam in the Elite 8!

  • dhsalum Saint George, UT
    March 22, 2011 7:55 p.m.

    No reason for this article... He's not leaving.

  • Unbelievable West Jordan, Utah
    March 22, 2011 7:49 p.m.

    Dave Rose is a man of deep faith and integrity. He is a perfect fit for Brigham Young University. The two go hand in hand.

    Rose is 'deservingly' a hot commodity, although he doesn't remind me of someone who defines 'true' success by the amount of money in his bank account.

    Dave Rose is BYU!

  • Rock Chalk BYU Lawrence, KS
    March 22, 2011 7:46 p.m.

    @Big_Ben, I have just decided that you are my brother from another mother. Your post was absolutely correct. The Utes will rise up on the basketball court again, that is simply a fact and cannot be debated. You, and many other die-hard Ute fans have been very gracious this bball season. I think you realize that BYU's success does not come at your expense (except for the head-to-head games, of course).

    For what its worth, I really enjoyed the beat-down the Utes gave 'Bama, and I would have liked to have seen Utah beat Kentucky in'98. The only times I have had the slightest regret for cheering the Utes on is when a classless Ute fan comes along and beats me over the head with those things, to remind me of what the Cougars have never done. I can only guess the same things are felt in the exact reverse situation by Ute fans.

    Good luck, except for that one weekend in September!!

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    March 22, 2011 7:31 p.m.

    Re: Veritas Aequitas

    Better program???

    Really!?!?

    BYU has one elite eight and one sweet sixteen appearance in the last 30 years.

    Utah has 5 sweet sixteens, one elite eight, and one championship game appearance in the last 30 years.

    Utah has had some down years recently, but it is a PROGRAM of proven success.

    BYU needs a few more deep tourny runs before they are anything more than a once in a lifetime phenomenon.

  • deseret pete robertson, Wy
    March 22, 2011 7:27 p.m.

    Why the distraction right in the middle of the tournment? Is things that slow?

  • Gentile brookings, SD
    March 22, 2011 7:13 p.m.

    I guess if you are a columnist, you have to write some many words or you do not get your paycheck. But what a straw horse to be knocked over!! Yee gads, find a topic where there is chance of something happening.

    Oh well, you gotta eat too. Keep grinding out the obvious.

  • Still Blue after all these years Kaysville, UT
    March 22, 2011 6:57 p.m.

    I still thank Fresno State for thowing the money at Cleveland. Cleveland is now fired and BYU has it's best coach ever. I doubt Coach Rose is going anywhere.

  • MESOUTE Albany, NY
    March 22, 2011 6:52 p.m.

    I enjoy reading Harmon's passive aggressive style in which he lays on a major guilt trip towards Rose in evaluating the hypothetical conversations that he would likely have with returning BYU players. Is this kind of journalism fair? I'll let the reader decide.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    March 22, 2011 6:25 p.m.

    Coach Rice is the only reason that Coach Rose is successful. If Rice leaves, say good-bye to winning..........

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    March 22, 2011 6:19 p.m.

    Howard S. | 5:34 p.m. March 22, 2011
    Taylorsville, UT
    Re: Veritas Aequitas

    ===

    And maybe someday you will grasp a strw of reality...

    Dude, if Rose stays, will you forget all the meaningless, petty, "stuff" you posted, and give props to the "Y"?

    And when BYU has better TV numbers than Utah, will you give respect to the BETTER program? Serious!!! The BETTER program!!!

    Dude, grasp reality, and that Utah is swimming in a cesspool, and BYU is at the top of their game... And all Utah offers is a bag of "loser basketball" with a rubber stamp that says PAC????

    Who would coach at Utah?

    Like I said last summer when Utah fans asked me to congratulate them... For what?

    You have the invite. Now go get the coach!!!

    If it is Rose, or anyone in the same sphere, congrats.

    I'm thinking more of a Majerus embryo, somone that has never done anything, and maybe someday... might.
    ====
    And maybe the WCC is a better conference than the PAC 12...

    ====
    Your maybe's are the best comment of the day! Congrats....

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 22, 2011 6:15 p.m.

    "Maybe the WCC will be something more than a second rate one bid conference in 10 years...
    "

    Okay, seriously, they had 3 bids a mere 4 years ago (granted it'd be two if San Diego didn't win the conference tournament) and 2 bids 2 years ago. Bring facts to the table, or else you'll embarrass Utah fans such as myself.

  • JNA Layton, UT
    March 22, 2011 6:13 p.m.

    If he leaves I would not blame him.If he gets more money, his family comes first. Bronco Mendenhall and Tom Holmoe threw him under the bus with this stupid independent football and West Coast Conference decision.

    TO: Chris B. The Honor code is a great thing, it's really too bad you are showing your colors.

  • Oregonian Sherwood, OR
    March 22, 2011 6:06 p.m.

    Re: Chris B

    "I've heard several reliable sources say that Rose and Chris Hill already met for lunch about 3 weeks ago and that Rose was very interested"

    I've also heard from several reliable sources that Rose might have shown a bit of interest until Dr. Hill asked him to pick up the tab for lunch.

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    March 22, 2011 6:05 p.m.

    Chris B

    Hedge hog does NOT count as a "reliable source" but nice try.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    March 22, 2011 5:51 p.m.

    Re: chubbymagoo

    35% marginal tax rate you say?

    Phhttt.

    When Dick is on a roll, facts are of little significance.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    March 22, 2011 5:39 p.m.

    For some reason the moderator doesn't want to post this but I've heard several reliable sources say that Rose and Chris Hill already met for lunch about 3 weeks ago and that Rose was very interested.

    Reason:
    More Money
    No honor code getting in the way
    More Money
    Real Conference
    More Money
    Can recruit real athletes(again honor code not getting in the way)
    More Money
    Won't need an all american to win an NCAA game more than once every 20 years
    More Money

    Any questions?

  • wYo8 Rock Springs, WY
    March 22, 2011 5:37 p.m.

    I hope He is like LaVell. He never has to worry about playing or practicing on the Sabbath. It would be great If the Brethren would name the court at the Marriot Center The Dave Rose Court. Having attended the BYU-Wyoming game at the end of this season it was great seeing BYU honor Stan Watts the way they did and thought that could be Dave Rose in the future. Stan Watts effected his players just like LaVell did and Dave does now. Pony up the money to keep him here. The Church has recieved so much free advertising these past months. In the end it will be what is more important to Dave Rose winning or being the LaVell of Basketball.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    March 22, 2011 5:34 p.m.

    Re: Veritas Aequitas

    Maybe the WCC will be something more than a second rate one bid conference in 10 years...

    And maybe BYU's influence will allow WCC schools to build 20,000 seat arenas....

    And maybe 1.3 billon Chinese will tune in at 9:00 a.m. on Sunday for a 7:00 p.m. Saturday BYU tip off....

    And maybe the best basketball players among those 1.3 billion Chinese will rush to play basketball at BYU.....

    And maybe every WCC basketball fan will embrace BYU as a non-AQ mid major independent....

    And maybe BYU will pony up $1.5 million for Rose to stay....

    And maybe the WCC is a better conference than the PAC 12...

    uhhhh... yeah right... only in the fertile minds of the the collective Cougar Nation are any of these things remotely possible.

    But hey, when you're in the middle of your "once in 3 decades" run at the elite eight anything must seem possible.

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    March 22, 2011 5:33 p.m.

    So many opinions, so little facts -- both sides of the discussion. Why not just enjoy Jimmer and the rest of the tournament?

    Things we know today:

    - BYU is really good.
    - Coach Rose is a great coach.
    - Jimmer is the POY and deserves the title
    - BYU is in the sweet 16 with a really good chance to go the Final Four.
    - We at most 4 more games to enjoy the Jimmer's college career.
    - It is fun to watch BYU - even for rational Utah fans (like me).

    Coach Rose will do what he thinks is best for him and his family. He has earned and deserves more respect than an article like this and the subsequent posts by fans and detractors alike. He has a great job now and will have a shot at other great jobs if he wants to pursue them. Pretty sure guilt trip articles like this one and/or ranting and raving posts by fans on either side of the aisle won't sway him one bit.

    The hatred on boths sides is putrid. Just enjoy the ride people.

  • chubbymagoo Salt Lake City, UT
    March 22, 2011 5:14 p.m.

    I can't figure out how the IRS will get more than half of his salary because the top marginal tax rate is currently 35%. A quick google search would have revealed this basic fact.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    March 22, 2011 5:09 p.m.

    'factology' by ute4timeonly

    Playing in front of 5,000 fans nightly.

    Wrong team, drive 45 miles north from Provo and bingo, youre there! Well the Ute women had 2,000 the other day, did the men do any better?

    BYU goes back to basketball irrelevancy

    Wrong again, no stories about U. unless you're referencing recent national headlines about Ute football. Trust me, those should be buried and made irrelevant, ASAP! Funny how they keep coming up in conversations, eh?

    BYU is a media darling and will continue to be so. Maybe an honor code could help U out. Otherwise Utah is just like any other school.

    Gonzaga is a national brand. BYU is a one hit wonder.

    A half truth. Gonzaga is a great school, has a legacy AND is John Stocktons alma mater for which Utah residents all pay homage to BUT BYU a one hit wonder? Don't think so. BYU's made the tournament as recent as last year and in the past as well. I guess we discard all other sports accomplishments, titles, championships etc. from the MWC.

    Keep trying troll!

  • fan32 St. George, Utah
    March 22, 2011 5:03 p.m.

    Before you all get too excited about BYU sports, remember that the trend is to play on Sunday in almost all sports. Football will probably stay away from Sunday because of NFL. Otherwise it would go to Sunday. Does it bother you to see ND playing on Sunday? BYU's sporting days are numbered. Mark my words, one day the brethren will just say no more Div I sports at BYU. It happened at Ricks and it will happen at BYU. It is just a matter of time. BYU and the rest of the world don't mix. Like oil and water. All of us die hard BYU fans just might want to slowly look for other schools to support. Believe me it is coming. We just don't know exactly when.

  • ute-chute Beverly Hills, CA
    March 22, 2011 4:56 p.m.

    Why would anyone want the Utah job?

    Dave Rose, Tommy Connor, Chris Jones (My personal choice), let alone the other names listed? Not interested.

    Best shot they have is an "Urban Meyer" clone, that would leave his personal clothes in the closet as he left town... Not interested.

    Will Clyburn, the Utes best player... has one year, but does not commit?

    They have no recruits in the pipeline, nor returned missionaries?

    All they have is the PAC-12, and that and 25 cents will buy you a cup of coffee at I-HOP...

    Go Utes, and Utah basketball in ruins.

    Bring in Tommy Connor, Chris Jones, or the coach from South Summit.

    Rick Pitino --- not interested.
    Rick Majerus --- not interested.
    The guy who had a voice, and on youtube had a shot at a radio career --- not interested.
    Stephon Petros Savas, the bestest coach fron Junior Jazz... interested, but has a few questions.... (Like, can he recruit Greeks?)
    Patrol Pioneer Park --- 3 of 10 drug adddicts... interested.

    Go Utes!!! What a great time to be a Ute!!!

  • In My Humble Opinion South Jordan, UT
    March 22, 2011 4:52 p.m.

    Sorry, phone glitch.

    Those whose program stinks cry "conference" or refer to (selective) "history"

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    March 22, 2011 4:49 p.m.

    Gee's Harmon... just had a talk with you about running things into the ground and making mountains out of molehills several days ago when you had BYU canning basketball players. Now here you are setting Rose up in similar fashion as you did Roger Reid. What is it with you??? You're not a creative or a technical writer...Your'e just a Sports Hack...I'm not so sure you shouldn't consider retiring. BYU's in the middle of possibly making History and you bring a speculative piece like this to the dinner table to see what you can stir up. You have no sense of timing...and obviously you are attempting to get one more very sub par scoop under your hat before they do put you out to pasture.

  • AZguy Phoenix, AZ
    March 22, 2011 4:44 p.m.

    The coach can do whatever he feels is best for him and his family. I hope that decision is to stay a Coug, but I will always root for him no matter what.

    I hope BYU pays he and his assistants the coin they are worth.

    I am concerned about how the move to the WCC affects basketball. It is not a step up in conferences, but hopefully the exposure of ESPN and liberal re-broadcasts on BYU-tv will give the team the exposure to increase their profile on the national stage.

    I am thrilled with the results. If BYU continually wins games in the NCAA tourney, they will develop the same reputation as a Gonzaga, who is a regular fixture in national spotlight. They have made it work and I am hoping for the same for BYU.

    Go Cougs!!

  • FYI Taylorsville, UT
    March 22, 2011 4:31 p.m.

    @Shawnm:
    Actually this is a news article. Although Harmon also writes a blog this is not part of it. His last entry on his blog was March 18. So yes, there should have been more balance, maybe a list of the reasons he does go.

  • Penguin Inc. Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 22, 2011 4:29 p.m.

    I was under the impression that Brother Rose was going to take his talents to South Beach.

  • In My Humble Opinion South Jordan, UT
    March 22, 2011 4:29 p.m.

    Those whose program stinks "conference" or (selective) "history"

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    March 22, 2011 4:27 p.m.

    Howard S. | 2:32 p.m.
    Taylorsville, UT
    Holmoe sold BYU basketball down the river for the sake of a speculative venture as a non-AQ football independent.

    ===

    Holmoe is a man of vision. Just imagine where the WCC will be in ten years.

    Any game broadcast by KBYU will also broadcast the WCC the team they are playing internationally, which will help them with recruiting.

    Playing BYU will sell out those gyms, requiring bigger arenas (alumni in the area). I remember getting tickets from the Ute coaching staff to watch a game at SDSU 10 plus years ago, and it was played in a gym. Now look where SDSU is.

    Rose has spoken several times about the international appeal of BYU, and their fans. Rose loves the idea. Rose loves international appeal!

    Rose loves the idea of crowded gyms, and if he makes a ton of money --- plus oldschool basketball...

    None of the WCC schools have a football team. Maybe, having BYU in the conference will tie them into backing BYU football, and BYU will be the "football face" of the WCC.

    Rose could have gone to Houston, but stayed at BYU.

    ===
    Howard, could you be more wrong?

  • Cali Coug Visalia, CA
    March 22, 2011 4:20 p.m.

    Commom people it is the PAC 10.2!

  • sls Columbia, MO
    March 22, 2011 4:18 p.m.

    Harmon has breached a topic that others have shied away from. I'd say that makes him a journalist who is a cut above the rest. I hope Harmon's right that Rose can't be bought, but I caught a glimpse in the tearful comments made by Rose after the victory over Gonzaga that he's made a decision he's not completely comfortable with and it's a decision that's not going to be good news for Cougar fans around the world. I hope I'm wrong and he stays at BYU for many years yet to come.

  • Brigham's Brother Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 22, 2011 4:10 p.m.

    This is the worst list of reasons to stay I've ever read. Like was said earlier - all driven by guilt. Just like BYU might look elsewhere if it thought it could do better with someone else, Rose too may look elsewhere if the right opportunity presented itself. Coaches change, kids adjust and programs survive.

    I would expect Rose to stay at BYU, but how about giving some positive reasons to stay, something to compete with millions of dollars and better talent that would certainly come with a job at a major program.

    Bizarre article.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    March 22, 2011 4:09 p.m.

    BYU will be fine either way. I heard Danny Ainge would be willing to retire from the Celtics and become HC at BYU. Don't let the CEPs get to you.

    C-ougar
    E-envy
    P-osters

  • GW Lindon, UT
    March 22, 2011 4:07 p.m.

    Harmon can write some decent articles. This is not one of them.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 22, 2011 3:53 p.m.

    "Once "The Jimmer" is gone and BYU goes back to basketball irrelevancy, you will find yourself on ESPN as much as Portland State....uhhh...zero times. Gonzaga is a national brand. BYU is a one hit wonder."

    BYU is a national brand, it just has a different basis for the brand (a religious based one). It's one of those schools where even if it doesn't win there's still going to be demand for it.

    "The WCC has, and always will be, a 1 tournament team. "
    2010: 8Gonzaga 10St Marys
    2008: 7Gonzaga 10St Marys 13San Diego (they won the conference tournament)

  • mistertilly Provo, Utah
    March 22, 2011 3:53 p.m.

    @ute4ever

    You have yet to address your misunderstanding of BYU's ESPN contract. You wanted to set a "myth" to rest yet were blown out of the water with facts. You clearly don't know what you're talking about. So you retreated, glossed over your lack of knowledge on your ridiculous claim and then you come back and say that BYU is a "one hit wonder" and "irrelevant" after Jimmer graduates.

    I feel sorry for you. I get the impression you feel that if you say these things enough they might come true.

    Fact: BYU has won 4 of the last 5 MWC championships, made it to the tourney for a several years in a row and is now in the Sweet 16.

    If you're wanting to know an alternate spelling to the word "irrelevant" it goes like this:

    U-T-A-H

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    March 22, 2011 3:53 p.m.

    Howard s.
    Once again you completely miss the point by judging coach Roses' motivation. Not everyone is motivated by money. If Rose goes it will likely be to a much bigger stage to see how he stacks up against the nations best. He is pretty close to that at BYU now. BYU basketball will have 10+ non-conference games. Like their football team they will probably team with ESPN to schedule and play some of the nations top and most storied programs. More exposure, more recruiting success and a more successful program. BYU has a very good team for next year and I believe that is one of the factors that coach will be looking at if he is even considering leaving BYU.

  • MenaceToSociety Draper, UT
    March 22, 2011 3:49 p.m.

    Sure he will... as head coach of the Utes!

  • Spoxjox Redmond, WA
    March 22, 2011 3:43 p.m.

    Harmon's column reads like wishful thinking meets shameless guilt-trips. I'm not into the guilt trip thing -- Coach Rose needs to do what's right for himself and his family -- but I sure hope Harmon is right about Rose not bailing.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    March 22, 2011 3:39 p.m.

    Willary,

    I clearly stated it as my opinion by saying, "Now that the PAC 12 TV deal will be opened to all comers don't be surprised if one of the bidders comes in with a deal far in excess of $200 million but it must include BYU." Key words, "don't be surprised" which would indicate this is my opinion. These comments boards are full of opinions and speculation. Harmon's article is all speculation. Again, I am speculating that with an open bidding process for the PAC 12 TV package some TV moguls will come in with a deal worth far more than $200 million but it will have to include BYU. Up until now the TV deal has been held exclusively by FOX. Also, I believe that the PAC 12 realizes that it has left itself open to an invasion by the BIG 12 if it leaves BYU hanging out there as an independent.

  • Oregonian Sherwood, OR
    March 22, 2011 3:26 p.m.

    re: atl34

    "You're right, however Utah has a rather prestigious history when you look long term. It's just been crap over the last half decade minus that one year."

    I agree 100%. Utah has a great tradition AND great potential. And just as the program didn't fall overnight, it isn't going to rise overnight. It will rise though. As a BYU fan I'm looking forward to seeing the Utes and Cougars out here in Oregon on a regular basis.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    March 22, 2011 3:23 p.m.

    ute4ever | 1:19 p.m. March 22, 2011
    West Jordan, UT
    Can we please dispell one of the rumors that keeps getting perpetuated here on these articles: BYU does NOT have an ESPN contract for basketball like football. The WCC does affiliate with ESPN, so they will be on national TV just as much as Gonzaga was this year.

    ===
    ute4ever | 3:05 p.m. March 22, 2011
    West Jordan, UT
    BYU Fans: Once "The Jimmer" is gone and BYU goes back to basketball irrelevancy, you will find yourself on ESPN as much as Portland State....uhhh...zero times.
    ===

    So is it 12 times, or zero times? ...and you wanted to talk "facts"...

    Do you have a point?

    According to College Hotline, Larry Scott, "with 12 teams, a football championship game and a willingness to play Thursday night football/any-night basketball UCLA at Washington on a Tuesday? No problem Scott has plenty of inventory to offer prospective bidders."

    Who's going to be playing at midnight ET, regionally, on Tuesday night?

  • urroner Titusville, fl
    March 22, 2011 3:21 p.m.

    I love it when so many prophets come on a blog commentary site and predict what is going to happen in the future. They're not saying this may happen or that may happen, rather it's this is going to happen or that is going to happen.

    So let me be a prophet also. I prophecy that Rose will do what Rose will do. If he stays, he'll stay for the right reasons. If he leaves, he'll leave for the right reasons and we don't get to decide what those reasons are. Rose is a big boy now and he probably even dresses himself every morning.

    But I do find it funny that so many predict that a coach at BYU, upon having great success, will automatically want to leave to find greener pasture. Why is that? Maybe these predictors are BYU haters and can't see past their long bent out of shape noses what is good with the Y and why a successful coach would want to stay there.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    March 22, 2011 3:16 p.m.

    Dutchman -

    I read the same report about the Pac-12 TV dealings. Exepct for the part you decided to add about BYU somehow being involved? Try not to add your opinion/prayers on to the end of a real report.

    How many times does the hot girl have to turn you down before you accept that she's just not in to you?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 22, 2011 3:11 p.m.

    "money does not make one classy overnight any more than simply being in the PAC12 makes a basketball program prestigious overnight."

    You're right, however Utah has a rather prestigious history when you look long term. It's just been crap over the last half decade minus that one year.

  • Bronco Loco Henderson, NV
    March 22, 2011 3:10 p.m.

    @fresnogirl

    MWC still has more depth than WCC even with the lose of BYU. SDSU, UNM, UNLV and even CSU make up a much better top half of the conference than what the WCC has. Heck, Boise State in basketball might even add some value. You also have to remember the weight of what the MWC has achieved the past three seasons in basketball and football will carry the MWC a long way in conference respect. Look at how St. Mary's got disrespected this year by the NCAA selection committee. Despite being ranked for a while, and making the WCC championship game they still got left out. VCU or even UAB got in ahead on St. Mary's. UAB wasn't even ranked. Yeah, the addition of BYU will probaly bring WCC strength up a notch but respect and perception will always be on the MWC's side. The WCC will never surpass MWC because of perception and respect. WCC will always be little step brother to MWC, just as the MWC is always seen as little brother to PAC-12. Also BYU will always be seen as a mid-major because of the WCC affiliation.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 22, 2011 3:09 p.m.

    "I'm just suggesting some of these comments about vocational attractiveness seem shallow. "

    Yet those big programs never have had much of a problem with luring coaches away. See: Meyer,Urban. Perhaps the reasons are shallow, but a lot of times those things work.

  • ute4ever West Jordan, UT
    March 22, 2011 3:05 p.m.

    BYU Fans: Once "The Jimmer" is gone and BYU goes back to basketball irrelevancy, you will find yourself on ESPN as much as Portland State....uhhh...zero times. Gonzaga is a national brand. BYU is a one hit wonder. If you don't believe, just go check the last time they were in the Sweet 16, exactly 30 years ago. The WCC has, and always will be, a 1 tournament team. If you think they are going to take St. Mary's over a Big East team, you are dilusional. Gonzaga will continue to dominate in the post Jimmer era and BYU will wallow in irrelavancy.

    If you want to talk "facts", we can bring up that the PAC12 got 4 teams into the tournament in a "down year" as it has been proclaimed. Name the last time the WCC got 2 teams in. The answer is NEVER.

    So, Rose would be CRAZY not to consider a move to the PAC12, Big East, or wherever he gets an offer. Bigger conference. More money. Better players. More opportunity. Why not??

  • HDFresh Salem, OR
    March 22, 2011 3:02 p.m.

    Well done Mr. Harmon. Sound views to support that argument for sure. I would only add that head coaching at BYU is and almost always has been the top of the banana pile for any BYU coach. It's always tough for any that leave and a sure arrival for any that get the job.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    March 22, 2011 2:48 p.m.

    Biggest Loser: The MWC for not allowing BYU to leave all sports other than football in the conference while the football program went independent. Craig Thompson could have, should have made it happen.

    Word is now that Larry Scott of the PAC 12 is going to let the exclusive negotiating window for the PAC 12 TV deal close so that he can take it to the open market and get what he hopes will be at least $200 million for the whole PAC 12 TV package. Now that the PAC 12 TV deal will be opened to all comers don't be surprised if one of the bidders comes in with a deal far in excess of $200 million but it must include BYU. So, Scott's hands are untied and he can go back to the PAC 12 presidents and get their approval for a ton of money for all of them on condition they invite BYU into the conference. My bet is the presidents will take it and by so doing also keep the Big 12 from picking off BYU later and cutting into PAC 12 TV territory. Call me crazy but you read it here first.

  • MJF Somewhere in Time, UT
    March 22, 2011 2:33 p.m.

    Poor timing for this article. That said, Rose is not going to sell his birthright for a mess of pottage. There are a few guys in the world who still put committment, integrity, family and the Cougar Nation before the almighty buck, although I hope he gets a new contract which pays him what he is worth. It is a slow news day, and Dick Harmon got carried away. Nothing more, nothing less.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    March 22, 2011 2:32 p.m.

    Holmoe sold BYU basketball down the river for the sake of a speculative venture as a non-AQ football independent.

    Rose will leave BYU. If not to Utah, certainly someone will offer him $1.5 mil.

    Money will talk and his players and recruits will understand that.

  • Big_Ben SLC, UT
    March 22, 2011 2:29 p.m.

    Some of the arguments from both fan bases make me laugh.

    -This is a BYU article my fellow Utah fans. Let's not sidetrack the discussion.

    -BYU is going into a great situation. I think Rose sticks around. I look at my Utes and Whittingham. Every year, his name comes up for major jobs. Floriday, Miami, Tennessee, to name a few. But he never goes after them. He likes his situation. Rose strikes me as being the same. Sure, higher paying jobs might be offered (technically, Whittingham has never been "offered" a job, but he is usually on the short list of those teams), but Rose has a great situation. Great recruits coming in, solid players on missions, the potential for even more recruits, ESPN, to just name a few.

    -He is not coming to Utah, just give it up my fellow Ute fans.

    Now, I have ripped on my own fans, I do need to say this: To the BYU fans who are slamming Utah and saying we don't add value to the Pac-12. What goes around comes around. We will be back, and you will have rough years ahead. Enjoy the present, you have it great.

  • Oregonian Sherwood, OR
    March 22, 2011 2:22 p.m.

    With all due respect (and I really do respect the U of U), some fans claiming Rose will come to Utah because they are now PAC12 reminds me of lottery winners. Sure, lottery winners can move to upscale neighborhoods and can now move their cars off the lawns and into the garage, but money does not make one classy overnight any more than simply being in the PAC12 makes a basketball program prestigious overnight. Utah's facilities are worse, attendance is abysmal, no prospects on the horizon, your national TV exposure will be based solely on the draw of your opponent, etc, etc.

    I have no idea what Rose will do. I hope he stays at BYU but one reason Rose might take the Utah job is the challenge of taking a once great program that is way down and turning it around. There is a lot of potential because of the PAC12 (and is a good university) but it would probably take 3-5 years and a lot of work. Unlike simply winning the lottery.

  • ldsoccertodd Cedar City, UT
    March 22, 2011 2:22 p.m.

    As a BYU fan I am concerned that Rose might leave but some of the comments on here about why he would go to Utah really have no merit. BYU most likely can pay more than the Utes do. They spent all their money on football coaches. As far as the comment about playing in fornt of 5,000 fans nightly being a problem at BYU, that would only be a problem if he did go to Utah, where as all their home games only get this amount. Just being called a PAC-12 school really doesn't just automatically get you top recruits. Arizona State, Oregon, Oregon State, Nebraska, Depaul,Auburn, Alabama, and many others are affiliated with a big conference and most certainly do not get better recruits than BYU does.

  • Shawnm750 Lehi, UT
    March 22, 2011 2:22 p.m.

    I realize this is a blog, and not a true news article, but where's the balance? Where's the "Reasons Rose is Gone" list? Personally, I think Rose has a lot of incentive to leave BYU right now, whether it's for another program, or just to retire, or change careers altogether. He doesn't have a Jimmer Fredette to help lift the team next year, so there's no guarantee that they'll be going this deep into the tournament again next year, so why not end on a high note? And so what if players committed to play for BYU specifically for him? Players should know enough that you commit to programs, not coaches, because coaches can be removed a lot more easily than athletic programs. In fact, I doubt if many fired or quitting coaches take the time to call their recruits to apologize, simply for that reason.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    March 22, 2011 2:21 p.m.

    Bronco Loco

    Ernest T. Bass is just being sarcastic; HE doesn't even believe what he posted.

    That said, it's silly trying to predict the future strength of the PAC 12, MWC, WCC and WAC conferences based on this year.

    Just as in football, adding Boise State to the MWC and substracting them from the WAC, dramatically changed the strength of both conferences,

    adding BYU to the WCC and subtracting BYU from the MWC will change the strength of those two conferences substantially.

    It won't make the WCC as good as the MWC, but it will make them much closer in strength.

    On the other hand, adding Utah to the PAC 12 will hardly make any difference in the strength of the MWC and PAC 12 conferences.

  • Not from Utah Spring, TX
    March 22, 2011 2:20 p.m.

    Sometimes the comments on here leave me very puzzled about what y'all do for a living. Job satisfaction is a result of so many things beyond mere money (especially someone who believes in the tenets of the LDS church), and this becomes more pronounced after certain thresholds are passed. Atmosphere. Culture. Organizational objectives. Opportunity to make a difference in the world.

    I don't pretend to know Rose's value system, but from my perspective statements like "better conference elsewhere" or "more money" or "no honor code (which actually sounds more like a reason to stay at BYU)" or "access to athletes who don't want to live the honor code" don't sound very enticing. To work in an organization that is aligned with your personal values, gives you the opportunity to provide leadership (it's not just about basketball) to young men striving to meet a high moral standard, having success while doing it, and obtaining a very secure financial position sounds extremely enticing. It's an offer that no other school can provide.

    I'm not saying what Rose should do. I'm just suggesting some of these comments about vocational attractiveness seem shallow.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    March 22, 2011 2:12 p.m.

    Chris Peterson could leave Boise State for more money as well - but so did Hawkins. Look where Hawkins ended up. Peterson learned a lesson - the easy way.

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    March 22, 2011 2:08 p.m.

    Bronco Loco

    Your list won't look the same in the future as MWC loses BYU and WCC gains BYU.

    To quote the CBS commentators from Saturday's game: "The West Coast Conference is a good Conference that is about to get even better with the addition of BYU."

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 22, 2011 2:07 p.m.

    "So it probably be BYU and Gonzaga most years. If either teams are down you're looking at a 1 bid WCC. "

    St Mary's is a very good program that will be competitive. I can see 3 WCC bids if all three of those making it if they all are doing quite well and the selection committee stops wasting 11 slots for the big east conference.

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    March 22, 2011 2:03 p.m.

    I see lots of bitterly disappointed Utah fans complaining about Dick Harmon pulling the rug out from under their Dave Rose dreams.

    After the euphoria of last June, reality is starting to settle in, that simply being in a major conference doesn't automatically make you a major program.

    It may be hard for Utah fans to comprehend, but there are many great coaches and great players out there who perfectly content to coach and play for a major program in a smaller conference.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    March 22, 2011 1:59 p.m.

    ute4ever | 1:19 p.m.
    West Jordan, UT
    Can we please dispell one of the rumors that keeps getting perpetuated here on these articles: BYU does NOT have an ESPN contract for basketball like football. The WCC does affiliate with ESPN, so they will be on national TV just as much as Gonzaga was this year.
    ===

    Yawn...

    During this regular season, Gonzaga appears on ESPN twice; ESPNU twice; and ESPN2 10 times.

    However:

    The WCC is in the final year of its deal with ESPN, and Zaninovich is in the process of negotiating our next agreement. He expects an announcement in the next couple of months and certainly by the summer. We feel good about our commitment to ESPN and vice versa.

    Having an athletic department with the strength of BYUs will help in terms of securing what we hope will be a long-term commitment with ESPN on the right terms for us. And, specifically, a mens basketball program with the profile and strength of BYU. Never stronger than right now, so our timing is good.

    New ESPN contract, new terms, new money, and everygame internationally televised.

    So, what was your point again?

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    March 22, 2011 1:59 p.m.

    I'd be excited for Rose whether he chooses to stay at the Y or move on somewhere else. I wouldn't blame him if he left--playing in high school gymnasiums on late night ESPN programming is a rather depressing thought. BYU basketball might be fighting to stay in some kind of limelight next season.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 22, 2011 1:58 p.m.

    He's not going to Utah. If Jimmer had another year or two left he'd probably stay but frankly, without Jimmer BYU is probably only as good as Utah which is "not very".

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    March 22, 2011 1:56 p.m.

    I guess Dick Harmon has been reading some of the wishful thinking coming from Michigan on the BYU boards. Just because HH and CB keep saying it, doesn't make it true. Dave will make any big decision like this thoughtfully and prayerfully and, regardless of what the answer is, BYU will be fine.

    @ JJ Morales

    Actually, Steve left for his hometown. His Alma Maters are UC Irvine and Fresno Pacific University.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    March 22, 2011 1:55 p.m.

    It seems that many of these comments exhibit a great deal of shallowness. Like Lavell Edwards, I think Dave Rose has much more depth than just money or getting a wider range of recruits. He has just proved that winning isn't everything by suspending Brandon Davies. I think he will stay.

  • AltaHawkFan Sandy, UT
    March 22, 2011 1:54 p.m.

    I find great humor in reading many of these comments ... for instance,

    'byu cannot pay what Utah, and other school's will surely offer.' - Utah Man

    FYI, utah had to borrow money from the Pac12 just to buy out their former coach's contract. They don't have loads of money to throw around. Even if they did offer him a huge salary, how well would that sit with whittingham ? Funny stuff.

    How about ...

    'as a Utah fan it is intriguing to think of him having more recruiting freedom in a BCS conference' - williary

    FYI, basketball is not part of the BCS. What exactly does utah have to offer recruits that BYU doesn't ? BYU will have better exposure with the WCC ESPN contract and BYUTV. BYU has better academics. BYU has a much better program.

    For those of you that think Rose will leave for a 'real shot' at a NCAA title, he already has that. Hello ... have you been under a rock this whole year ? What do you think he has this year ? Yup, a real shot at an NCAA title.

  • estreetshuffle Window Rock, AZ
    March 22, 2011 1:54 p.m.

    Maybe the writer needs to do some yardwork. He is trying to be negative; we certainly don't need this here.

  • MUSSing with U Baltimore, MD
    March 22, 2011 1:52 p.m.

    ute4ever

    "I personally hope he stays in Utah, coaches in a PAC12 school that pays him more and allows 4 teams into the tournament (in a down year), instead of playing in front of 5,000 fans nightly in a league where only 1 team goes dancing!!!"

    Nice hyperbole, but here are the real facts.

    In a nine-team league, BYU will only be playing EIGHT road WCC games, out of 28 regular season games. That's hardly nightly. And Gonzaga's arena seats over 6,000, which is larger than a couple of arenas in the MWC.

    With BYU in the WCC, the league will be a 2 or 3 bid league with Gonzaga and BYU being regulars, and teams like Saint Mary's, Portland, and San Francisco frequently making the league a 3 bid league.

    There's no guarantee that the PAC 12 will be a four bid league, in fact, USC was lucky to get into the tournament this year and was promptly bounced before what used to be the first round even started.

    As far as Utah is concerned, it doesn't matter, because the Utes regularly finished 6th or 7th in the MWC.

  • justice77 Ogden, Utah
    March 22, 2011 1:49 p.m.

    uteforever said: "The WCC does affiliate with ESPN, so they will be on national TV just as much as Gonzaga was this year."

    -I just checked it, Gonzaga was on either ESPN or ESPN2 fourteen times this season (not including the NCAA tournament). Maybe it's YOU that's perpetuating the false rumors.

    As for your money argument, you have no idea what BYU will be paying Coach Rose nor what any other school might be offering them. BYU will only be getting better in the years ahead with excellent players returning and fantastic recruits coming in.

  • UteMiguel Go Utes, CA
    March 22, 2011 1:46 p.m.

    It's a job, not a calling. Only Rose can decide what's best for his family. He doesn't owe his recruits anything.

  • Louisiana Cougar Pineville, LA
    March 22, 2011 1:44 p.m.

    I happen to think the big issue is that Dave Rose is happy in his own skin.

    It took me a while to decide I liked Rose (not that it mattered one whit what I thought). The guy is a rock star quality soul. He knows who he is. He knows what he values.

    He loves his job. He knows he cannot duplicate BYU's culture anywhere in the world.

    The only question mark in my mind is "What doe he think his Heavenly Father wants him to do?"

  • Bronco Loco Henderson, NV
    March 22, 2011 1:43 p.m.

    @Ernest T. Bass:
    Uh...I highly doubt the WCC will get six or seven bids in the NCAA Tournament in in my lifetime. Maybe 3 bids but that's stretching it. The WCC is usually ranked between 10-13 in conference rankings. There's no way the committee awards a conference that is ranked that low that many bids especially with the east coast bias. Just in case you didn't know the pecking order on the west coast is the following:

    1. PAC-12
    2. MWC
    3. WCC
    4. WAC
    5. Big West
    6. Big Sky or whatever other western based conference is out there

    Look at the PAC-10 this year it was supposedly down and they got 4 teams in. The MWC was rated higher in conference rankings than the PAC-10 but we still got 3 teams in. The 3 team lock wasn't even for sure until the last 2 weeks of the regular season. So it probably be BYU and Gonzaga most years. If either teams are down you're looking at a 1 bid WCC.

  • Steve Jensen Herriman, UT
    March 22, 2011 1:42 p.m.

    Ute fans need to get out of the mind set of the PAC 12 is better in EVERYTHING! - Outside of football your conference doesn't matter as much. In basketball every team as a equal chance of winning a NCCA Title (unlike football). The WCC is a strong Basketball conference. Ute fans seem to worry so much about BYU future, yet a BYU fan could careless about what the utes are doing, hiring firing ect.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    March 22, 2011 1:38 p.m.

    ute4ever

    Go back and study the contract again.

    The ESPN contract is for ALL BYU sports. That means non-conference BYU basketball games are covered under BYU's exclusive contract with ESPN, and WCC games will be on ESPN under the WCC contract, so both conference and non-conference BYU basketball games will be televised by ESPN, and will be available for rebroadcast by BYUtv immediately after the live broadcast for as many times as BYUtv decides to rebroadcast the game. That means BYU fans all over the world could tune in to watch a rebroadcast of a game like BYU at SDSU, or could select a webcast of any game at any time from the BYUtv website.

  • LV Ute Fan Las Vegas, NV
    March 22, 2011 1:33 p.m.

    This article is just as bad as all Dick's other articles. Wortheless!

    I don't think Coach Rose will leave to go to Utah. BYU fans are right, Utah basketball would be a step down, its not where it once was. However, I do think he would leave to coach somewhere else. It comes down to three letters, WCC. Who wants to settle for coaching in a very average conference?

    Also, Dick's reasoning is just plain stupid. Coach Rose doesn't owe anybody anything, especially the LDS Church. By Dick reasoning, Coach Whit is a horrible person for not choosing BYU.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    March 22, 2011 1:32 p.m.

    Sweet 16 - 2011

    How many teams from the Big East?
    How many teams from the Pac-10?
    How many teams from the MWC?

    "Lesser Conference"?? - I rest my case.

    Oh, and I don't see Utah adding any strength to the Pac-12 in the foreseeable future. Oh, wait - being in a BCS Conference automatically makes you good.

    Rose will stay at BYU. The good times will continue to roll.

  • oldschool Farmington, UT
    March 22, 2011 1:22 p.m.

    How about reasons that Rose might leave?
    1. He cares more about money than living close to family.
    2. He could get a better seeding by coaching a mediocre team in the Big East than a good team in the WCC or even the Pac12.
    3. He could recruit players who prefer promiscuity to chastity, substance abuse to the Word of Wisdom, and facial hair to the cleancut look.
    4. He wants to let somebody else enjoy the BYU job.
    5. He wants his face on national TV more.
    6. He wants to coach Jimmer in the pros.
    7. He wants to pay more tithing to his church.
    8. He wants to escape Utah winters.
    9. He wants to get away from Utah Valley's polluted air.
    10. He wants to serve in the mission field.
    11. He wants each grandchild to inherit more money when he passes on.

    If Rose were an egotistical, fame-hungry, money-hungry person, he might consider moving. But from what I have seen of him, there's no chance. He probably even doesn't care about No. 11, knowing that people who get a lot of money for nothing usually fail in life.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    March 22, 2011 1:20 p.m.

    Those are all iron-clad reasons. No doubt he stays. The WCC will be a league with six or seven NCAA bids from here on out. Better than the Big East and much better than the PAC12.

  • ute4ever West Jordan, UT
    March 22, 2011 1:19 p.m.

    Can we please dispell one of the rumors that keeps getting perpetuated here on these articles: BYU does NOT have an ESPN contract for basketball like football. The WCC does affiliate with ESPN, so they will be on national TV just as much as Gonzaga was this year.

    If Rose stays for all the guilt related reasons Harmon brings up, I hope all of the recruits, players, coaches, AD, and everyone else Harmon mentions will be able to look Rose in the face and say "You gave up millions of dollars and a chance for a real shot at the NC to stay here at BYU....I am sorry you did that to yourself". There are a lot of reasons to leave, and lots to stay. But having to call future recruits and tell them you are leaving is NOT a reason to stay. This article portrays that....terrible.

    I personally hope he stays in Utah, coaches in a PAC12 school that pays him more and allows 4 teams into the tournament (in a down year), instead of playing in front of 5,000 fans nightly in a league where only 1 team goes dancing!!!

  • Madden Herriman, UT
    March 22, 2011 1:12 p.m.

    I certainly hope he stays, but he has earned the right to do as he wishes. He has given us a great run, and owes BYU fans nothing (though we'd be disappointed of course). The players would certainly be even MORE disappointed, and I think that tends to be the biggest hurdle for a coach leaving.

    And let's not forget, coach Rice has been incredible too...I'm sure a number of schools will offer him a head coaching gig, and he'll have to balance career progress with all these same issues.

    Either way, 99% of Y fans will give a grateful goodbye to any coach who leaves on good terms as we always have (and please ignore the 1% who don't have class).

  • Sandpiper Air Salt Lake City, UT
    March 22, 2011 1:08 p.m.

    @That's A Good One
    That's a good one.

  • jazzbball Salt Lake City, UT
    March 22, 2011 1:04 p.m.

    What utah fans don't understand is that the utah job is a downgrade. They got so caught up in their conference affiliation they forget that their program is an absolute trainwreck that is going to be nothing short of disasterous in the PAC 12.
    Less fans, worse arena, worse players, worse incoming recruits, and a whole lot more losing. Wow, where do I sign?

  • That's A Good One Meridian, ID
    March 22, 2011 12:59 p.m.

    One thing's for sure - at this point in the day, based on the "will he stay" poll - 13% of those who've read this article and voted are Ute fans while the other 87% are enjoying college basketball this year.

  • DonO Draper, UT
    March 22, 2011 12:57 p.m.

    Dick is probably correct that Rose will return but his arguments are a little shakey. Every coach who has left a program of his own accord has had the conversations to which Harmon refers; it goes with the job and all coaches know it. And there are private planes, generous supporters and other such perksw in all major programs...much more so than at BYU. I suspect Dave will stay for a little while but would not be all that surprised if he decided to go for the seven-figure salary and a shot at a title.

  • Doctor J Manti, UT
    March 22, 2011 12:52 p.m.

    We love Dave Rose being @ BYU!

    It smells like Roses!

    He will become an ICON here.

    BYU can be back in the sweet sixteen again...very soon!

    Thanks Dave, for putting BYU back in the conversation.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    March 22, 2011 12:49 p.m.

    Utah Man

    "Dave Rose will also lose local recruits to Pac-12 school's because they do not want to play in a lesser league..."

    Your wishful thinking doesn't make it so.

    Dave Rose isn't going to lose any local recruits to PAC 12 schools, especially to a mediocre program like Utah has become.

    Local recruits will still be playing for BYU, which is far more important than the conference BYU happens to be playing in at the time.

    Trading the MTN for an exclusive 8-year contract with ESPN will make playing in the smaller arenas of the WCC much less of a sacrifice. Gonzaga has already proven that you can have a very successful basketball program playing in the WCC.

    And don't forget, adding BYU to the WCC will raise the level of competition in the WCC substantially. We already saw how having two outstanding teams elevated the MWC this year.

  • OnlyU Draper, UT
    March 22, 2011 12:48 p.m.

    Bugoff...Dave Rice would not be his replacement...He is not of the faith and BYU would not have a non-member as the leader of a "missionary tool." Don't think Rose leaves anyway. Recruiting will ultimately suffer in the WCC but not for a while. BYU will continue to get the recruits it would always get and maybe a bonus here or there. If I were BYU, I would do everything in my power to retain him. The program becomes average in a hurry if and when he leaves.

  • Big_Ben SLC, UT
    March 22, 2011 12:35 p.m.

    Bugoff,

    It could be the case that BYU's best days are ahead of them. But I don't think so. this is a once in a generation team.

    You were the one who got ahead of yourself and said the jazz would be better (this year) without Sloan. Now you are getting ahead of yourself a little bit on this one too.

    For the record, I bet Rose stays. I think Rice leaves. Just my opinion though.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    March 22, 2011 12:35 p.m.

    re:Utah Man

    the pac 12 isn't a good basketball conference but you are right about the pac 12 being a much higher profile conference than the WCC. UCLA and Arizona (sometimes Standford) are about the only respectable basketball programs.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    March 22, 2011 12:33 p.m.

    I have no idea if Rose will move on, as a Utah fan it is intriguing to think of him having more recruiting freedom in a BCS conference, but we'll see what happens.

    Once again my disbelief is with Harmon. I guess by the standards he has set in this article, no coach, at any level, any sport, would ever leave without being fired? Doesn't every coach have current players it would be tough to leave? Doesn't every coach have incoming recruits that you would be bailing on? Many coaches also have kids out on missions, not just Dave Rose, that they would be leaving behind. Those are probably the most ridiculous reasons I've ever heard for a coach not leaving. Sounds like Harmon is a little desparate?

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    March 22, 2011 12:33 p.m.

    What's with the DN allowing all of these Utah trolls to clone other bloggers' identities?

    Prepare for disappointment Utah fans. It's all just a shared pipe dream of desperate Utah fans that Rose would even consider abandoning all that he's built at BYU to rescue that trainwreck on the hill.

  • Bronco Loco Henderson, NV
    March 22, 2011 12:33 p.m.

    @beetdiggingcougar

    I didn't say no bluechipper would follow the honor code. I said most (with emphasis on most). And as far as I know Jimmer wasn't a blue chipper like say John Wall or a McDonald's All American are. Again, I have no problem with the honor code. In fact I'm even LDS, but even I know that recruiting LDS kids or even kids willing to live the honor code is a very limited base. In fact some LDS recruits are even opting to go to other schools as evident in football. It's possible to win a national title with LDS kids but it would be very tough.

  • So. Cal Reader Escondido, CA
    March 22, 2011 12:30 p.m.

    Certainly a fair question to pose, and a number of good reasons offered for his return. I believe the ONLY reason Rose does not return next year will be for health reasons. He's got much too good of a thing going at the Y. He'll want to sustain it. Plus much more nat'l publicity w/ the ESPN contract next season. Let's just hope his health stays strong for him to remain.

  • Utah Man Salt Lake City, UT
    March 22, 2011 12:24 p.m.

    byu cannot pay what Utah, and other school's will surely offer. Dave Rose will also lose local recruits to Pac-12 school's because they do not want to play in a lesser league, and yes, the WCC is a much lesser league. byu did Dave Rose wrong and they know it.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    March 22, 2011 12:23 p.m.

    What makes you think Utah could offer Rose more than BYU? BYU can do anything they want, if they decide they want to do it. They will keep Rose if they really want.

    Further, all BYU games will be on international TV. Where else can he get a recruiting tool like that. Besides he may even get some endorsements that would make up for lost pay at say TN.

    BYUs best teams are probably ahead of them. They will have a great front line next year and should be able to fill in the guards with capable people.

    I wonder what Lloyd is thinking right now sitting in a podunk TX school.

    If Rose leaves, Rice replaces him. BYU goes on. I am more worried about Rice leaving.

    BYU is just beginnning. The Jimmer will move on but BYU will move forward.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    March 22, 2011 12:23 p.m.

    Rose is a good coach - made better by Jimmer - but still a very good coach and certainly the best BYU could find. If I'm Coach Rose and I get a BIG offer elsewhere (maybe a 4 year $4 million+ deal) then by all means I am gone. The only catch is Rose's health. The cancer may change everything for him and it probably would for anyone. The stress of a BIG time program elsewhere would be intense especially if the money was in excess of a million per year and high stress and cancer don't mix well.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    March 22, 2011 12:22 p.m.

    One big problem many of the "top schools" face is the under-classmen who leave after 1 or two years for the NBA. There are many "basketball schools" that have limited success in many seasons for this reason. I think that would be a bigger headache than the missions BYU has to deal with.
    Rose also had a major health scare this past year that probably has him thinking about where he will be happiest.
    Whether he stays or goes. Thank you for being here coach.

  • srh83 Hillsboro, OR
    March 22, 2011 12:20 p.m.

    No worries fellow Cougar fans, Rose will stay.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    March 22, 2011 12:14 p.m.

    Let's hope he stays. BYU could be a national powerhouse in the very near future. If not, hire Rice. He is a big part of BYU's current success. He has done a lot of the recriuting for Rose.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    March 22, 2011 12:12 p.m.

    Bruce Pearl was seen at SLC airport yesterday evening. Heard he was on the 'A' list at the hill.

  • beetdiggingcougar Provo, UT
    March 22, 2011 12:07 p.m.

    @Bronco Loco Yep, that blue chipper POY Jimmer...did he follow the honor code?

  • Duckhunterr Highland, UT
    March 22, 2011 12:04 p.m.

    Rose will stay because we are entitled to him.

    Who cares what the ute "Fans" say, we will conquer them.

    If Rose leaves, I will go inactive. My frail self-esteem can not take another hit and the ute "fans" would make fun of me. I told my bishop to make them leave me alone, but they won't. Even the CTR-A class beat me up. So I spend my time trolling the boards so that Ican increase my self-esteem.

  • blauch Salt Lake City, UT
    March 22, 2011 12:04 p.m.

    This seems like a very biased article.

    Really their is 2 reason Rose would Stay and 2 Reasons Rose would leave.
    And they are the same: Money and winning

    Money: Rose will be able to renegotiate with BYU after this season. He will get a raise. Will it be as much as what the Big Programs offer - Probably not, but no one really know. BYU is a private School so their contracts are unknown. He may leave for money.

    Winning
    Well he is winning - He has won 4 out of 5 conference titles. Multiple big dance games (Florida will be his 8th game). Now BYU cannot recruit like the Top Big East and ACC teams but any league can have very successful teams: Horizon (Butler) WCC (Gonzaga) and still win a lot of games going deep in the Tournament

    I personally don't think this is BYU best team this decade

    In 2/3 years - BYU is going to be better
    Harrison, Carlino - Highest recruits since Bradley
    Jordan Chatman
    Nick Emery, Thats what I want, to be like Jimmer.
    Another Big Recruit (Loveridge or Parker)

    Starting: Carlino, Harrison, Haws, C Collinsworth, Davies,
    Bench: Chatman, Winder, Rogers, Austin, Neilson

  • Yner4Life Springville, UT
    March 22, 2011 12:01 p.m.

    Nothing like a story for the trolls to salivate upon. Let the rumors begin.

    DNews has done nothing but substantiate the little trolls wishes by validating them and their rumors... all for the sake of clicks on a webpage.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    March 22, 2011 11:57 a.m.

    BYU has a unique environment. I find the opportunity to work along side good, clean, moral people who do not use foul language to be very refreshing. In fact it is priceless.

    When I graduated from BYU and went to work in Southern California I found the foul language I heard very shocking. I had not heard profanity in more than five years at BYU.

    Rose deserves the very best. He is a fantastic coach. The kind of man I would want to coach my son (if I had one, father of many daughters here).

    I agree with this article, Rose will stay.

  • redcliffs Ivins, Utah
    March 22, 2011 11:42 a.m.

    I agree with SoCal... You provide for your family first and if that offends some recruits it's not like it's the first time a coach has moved on for a bigger paycheck. That said, I hope he stays but he needs to do what's right for him and his family and not worry about Dick Harmon

  • JFFR Salt Lake City, UT
    March 22, 2011 11:37 a.m.

    To his credit, Harmon gives good reasons as to why Rose will stay. I'm more annoyed with whoever wrote the headline. And Harmon still could have waited two weeks to publish this article (unless there are headlines all over the place saying Rose is gonna leave. Personally, I haven't seen them. I did hear one rumor that Utah might want to get him, but that's not gonna happen.)

  • JJ Morales California, CA
    March 22, 2011 11:35 a.m.

    Great piece. We love Dave Rose. I think the only job he would ever leave BYU for is his alma mater (just like Coach Cleve did).

  • JFFR Salt Lake City, UT
    March 22, 2011 11:34 a.m.

    It really bugs me when the media prints articles like this during the middle of a tournament. Why can't you wait another two weeks? This headline and article are extremely annoying. I can't tell you how displeased I am with the timing of it.

    Let us BYU fans enjoy the ride.

  • TrueUte Holladay, UT
    March 22, 2011 11:32 a.m.

    I would be happy to take him, now does he come? It does not matter but the Cougar fans sure are bent out of shape at the thought of it, not very christian, treat him more like you treat a former offensive coordinator ... oh oops I forgot you have ever reason to hate him also since you kicked him out and derided him.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    March 22, 2011 11:31 a.m.

    I just think it is very classy of Dr. Hill to wait until after BYU was exposed by Wofford last Thursday to announce the hiring of Coach Rose.

  • Bronco Loco Henderson, NV
    March 22, 2011 11:25 a.m.

    @Harmon:
    Gets the facts straight. ESPN invested in BYU football not BYU basketball. It just so happens the WCC is a partner of ESPN. So, that part kind of fell in their lap. As, far as Rose staying, I wouldn't be so optimistic. The Utah gig is looking attractive especially now that Utah is in the PAC-12. Heck, even Tennessee might give him a call. If he were to go to Utah or even Tennessee, Rose could recruit anyone he wanted and truly be able to build a national title contender. Don't get me wrong. I don't have anything against the honor code but there aren't many blue chippers that would be willing to live the honor code.

  • SoCaltransplant Parowan, UT
    March 22, 2011 11:24 a.m.

    Wow Dick....talk about a buzz kill. Could you be any less subtle in your Roger Reid-like attempt at guilt induction? The only difference is that there are 15 million members of the church that will be disappointed in Rose if he leaves, not the paltry 9 million that were inconsolable when Chris Burgess went to Duke. Why not throw in how President Monson will be devastated by his choice to bail? If Coach Rose moves on, bless his heart. He's a great coach. He's in it to better himself and to create a secure future for his family. Shame on you for setting him up to look like a louse if he decides to go. He deserves better than that.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    March 22, 2011 11:20 a.m.

    Amen! Where would he go to, Dixie State? He certainly would not be a traitor and head up north to inherit a disaster. Why start from the bottom when you are at the top?