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Gov. Gary Herbert set to call special session Friday to consider repeal of HB477

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  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    March 24, 2011 9:29 a.m.

    Watch these geniuses alter it slightly and call it good while you Auto-R voters clap in agreement.

  • jean22 Bountiful, UT
    March 22, 2011 12:54 p.m.

    There will be a drive-by signing of the Citizens Petition to repeal HB477 from 9:00 a.m. to noon TOMORROW (Wednesday, March 23) in front of KSL broadcast house in downtown Salt Lake City. Since the State doesn't want to recognize electronic signatures, it might be best to sign the petition in person so that they can't disallow your signature.

  • Carson Provo, UT
    March 22, 2011 11:57 a.m.

    It's State Government That Scares Me!
    Stop organized crime.
    Re-elect no one.

  • ewfalor west valley city, UT
    March 22, 2011 10:30 a.m.

    "(The governor) talks about process. This is not process," Waddoups said. "There's no reason to rush this like that."

    From watching this whole business about HB477 unfold, I didn't get the impression that there was any other way to Legislate than to rush and hurry.

  • nomo Draper, UT
    March 22, 2011 10:30 a.m.

    No problem the legislature will just blame it on teachers..

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    March 22, 2011 10:20 a.m.

    This ought to boost your confidence in your state government even more: much of the government secrecy language in HB477 is included redundantly as a "stowaway" in HB116, the guest worker bill. Yes that's right, it was tacked on to HB116 at the last minute. Check it out for yourself: HB116 Third Substitution (HB0116S03) Section 1 and Section 2, which is applicable not only to matters pertaining to the guest worker bill, but to any legislation and any legislator. No wonder the governor and Becky Lockhart are so willing to repeal 477.

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    March 22, 2011 9:03 a.m.

    "Herbert said Monday a replacement for HB477 should align with three principles: the public's right to know..."

    These people don't get it do they? It's not about our "right" to know. It's about our DEMAND to know. You see Governor and legislators, we need to remind over and again. You're in public service for OUR benefit. I know you don't like to hear this, but get it straight. We are YOUR BOSS. Sneak around and don't tell the truth or do things behind our backs; we will find out and summarily fire you.

    We used to be lackadaisical and ignorant in our duty to police you. Not anymore. We are proactive and now watch your every move. Local and federal government have proven time and again that if left alone, cannot be trusted to do what is right enough of the time. Right now, we just don't trust you, but it is your fault for listening too much to lobbyist and not enough to those that elected you. Now, if we have to watch you like a hawk, so be it.

    We DEMAND that you now be an open book.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    March 22, 2011 9:02 a.m.

    There is a ground swell movement agaisnt the illegal amnesty so if you call a special session you may as well nuke both of these bad pieces of legislation or else the taxpayers can pay for another special session. However the second special session may not be so forgiving.

    Try to get it right this time, there are still thinking people out here who are interested in what you do.

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    March 22, 2011 8:32 a.m.

    Since he is trying to correct some mistakes maybe he should look at vetoing HB116 also. What a circus.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    March 22, 2011 8:30 a.m.

    Sen Waddoups says it cost about $30,000 for a special sessions. Sen. Waddoups where was your concern about the millions for the extra illegals that will come because of your support of 116? I wonder how many pockets Herbert is in? I know of one for sure!

  • THM Cedar City, UT
    March 22, 2011 8:19 a.m.

    Everyone take note - it is apparent that the Utah Senate has not felt the same pressure that the House and the governor have in the last couple of weeks. The Senate is now saying that they will stop the repeal of 477 on Friday. Everyone, everyone needs to contact their senator today and let them know that you are counting on them to repeal 477 - better yet, you are counting on them to sponsor the bill to repeal 477. We, the citizens, cannot relax now and think that this fight for transparent government is over. Contact your senator and spread the word.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    March 22, 2011 8:01 a.m.

    I'm getting a little encouraged by this thread. I predict in the next election, every Republican legislature who voted for this bill, including the Governor, will only garner 70% of the vote! Progress! There won't be an automatic 80% of Utah voters who just hit the straight party button!

    It's too bad things in Utah will never change, at least for the better. We were on the right track with a more progressive leader like Huntsman, who wasn't just a puppet for the Wimmers/Waddoups/Buttars in the Legislature, yet have taken a u-turn back the other direction with the "leadership?" of Herbert.

    Just imagine if this bill had been passed by Democrats! The Republicans on the board, and across the state, would be up in arms, gathering their pickforks ready to march on the Capital building. Yet because this awful bill was passed by Republicans, the typical conservative commentators to the board are in hiding.

  • Proud to be American West Jordan, UT
    March 22, 2011 7:49 a.m.

    It is time to repeal the guest worker program in Utah. You did not listen to the people at all on that one guv.

  • Grundle West Jordan, UT
    March 22, 2011 7:29 a.m.

    Every existing legislator that is running for Buttars Senate district 10 seat voted for GRAMA. Are you awake delegates?

  • Carpe Diem Syracuse, UT
    March 22, 2011 2:21 a.m.

    Can you imagine the screaming and complaining by these same conservative lawmakers if President Obama and Nancy Pelosi did the same thing?

    Everyone that voted (or signed) this bill should be kicked out!

  • MormonDem Provo, UT
    March 21, 2011 11:26 p.m.

    It's great to see the outrage about HB 477, but you're crazy if you think the solution is to replace these Republicans with Tea Party extremists. These guys *already are* the Tea Party extremists. It's precisely their sense of sanctimonious idealogical untouchability that makes them think they can pull off this nonsense.

    Who were the pols that opposed HB 477 from the get-go? Yup. The Democrats.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    March 21, 2011 10:18 p.m.

    There are more than a few education bills that need "tweaking" as well...

  • Vince the boonies, mexico
    March 21, 2011 10:09 p.m.

    Post the comments D-News, quit the bias please!

  • David Centerville, UT
    March 21, 2011 9:42 p.m.

    At this point it is painfully obvious that: 1) the governor and a majority of the legislature got their vote on HB477 completely wrong, 2) they did not represent the people, who were against this bill, 3) they are now trying to save their jobs.

    Look, serving in government is a privilege that most often should be short term. Too many politicians think they are smart, powerful, and only they can run government. It is not a bad thing to have turnover in the legislature and governor's office.

    Most of our legislators, and our governor, completely misjudged this. They are obviously out of touch with the people of Utah. It will be a good thing for them, and for us, to send them home and get a new bunch to represent us.

    I am with many others who will vote against incumbents in the legislature and the governor.

  • Most Truthful and Patriotic Layton, UT
    March 21, 2011 9:36 p.m.

    Chickenchaser wrote:
    'And better news is that the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that banks cannot hide financial transactions subsequent to Obama's sleazy bailouts.' -

    WHAT? TARP was a George W. Bush program, signed before the 2008 Presidential elections.

    We're not that stupid. We're tired of Utahns making stuff up, lying, trying to be "patriots", mis-stating the Constitution -- and voting (R) by (R)ote.

  • Reasonable Person Layton, UT
    March 21, 2011 9:31 p.m.

    @PeanutGallery

    You say "It seems wrong that their email, voicemail, text messages, etc., should all be presumed public records."

    Why?

    IF those communications are via a taxpayer-supplied phone, computer, internet access -- they belong to US!

    If they want to keep their privacy, then don't misuse the resources provided by the taxpayers. Certainly, they can use their own.

    In fact, if they ARE truly part-time, then they should only have access for that part-time they are in session.

  • Vince the boonies, mexico
    March 21, 2011 9:31 p.m.

    I agree with most of you about regarding 477, however there must also be a limit as to what and where the media may walk. The media just to inform some of you that apparently don't know are another very "big business" that has their own selfish interests in all of this law. The downfall of this country and economy can be placed right at the very feet of numerous big businesses like media, energy(oil), wall street, banks, insurance, pharmaceutical Co's, lawyers, and crooked on the take politcians, ect. We need to be informed of our elected representatives bills, voting, backgrounds and such but at the same time be careful of giving full rein to broadcast and print media. Just look how the media robs advertisors and in truth we the citizens with their sleezy half truth reporting all to stir the pot and bring attention to daily news so they can get viewership up and thus more money from advertising with their teasing, sensationalism, spin and hyping. Hold all of their feet to the fire voters, and don't trust any of them!

  • dj2 Saint George, UT
    March 21, 2011 8:47 p.m.

    In an effort to make "governing" easier - The legislators have now created a nightmare for themselves. Instead of being "watched" they now find themselves under a microscope. Anytime you have to do something in corner in a fast track way you should take pause - chances are it doesn't meet any test honest open and transparent government.

  • Bearone Monroe, UT
    March 21, 2011 8:39 p.m.

    Oh my!! The DN moderator is really thin-skinned tonight.

    Oh, we must play nice with anything to do with those ill-guided politicians for fear that the PC police will come and get us!

    So I will play nice and just remind people not to EVER, EVER forget what your elected officials tried to do to take away your freedoms.

    Isn't it funny to see them tripping over each other in their haste to back-track away from that terrible HB477!!! Too late, people, because we will not forget.

    Next election that they stand for:

    Gov. Herbert----gone
    Senate Speaker Waddoups----gone
    House Speaker Lockhart----gone

    We don't need people leading this state that think they know better than anyone else what is best for us. What IS best for us is to get rid of them at the next available election.

    All of the above came up with the most lame excuses and explanations that I have ever heard. I would not accept those excuses and explantions from a 5 year old!!

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    March 21, 2011 8:24 p.m.

    Major, major, major egg on every Republican face!

    And rightly so.

    Have any idea what these elected lawmakers talked about in their 3-hour meeting?

    I'll tell ya, "How are we going to get our voters back?"

    Well, Guv, and all the rest of you, ya ain't got mine!

    No matter how much face-saving you try to do!!!

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    March 21, 2011 8:08 p.m.

    Most of these comments are hateful and mean-spirited.

    The man is trying to correct a wrong. Have you ever tried to correct an error that you wanted to change in your life or are you so perfect? Put away the guilotine and start acting civil!

  • scambuster American Fork, UT
    March 21, 2011 8:06 p.m.

    They also need to repeal these other bills that promote government secrecy by denying GRAMA requests:

    HB 84
    HB 116
    HB 185
    SB 85
    SB 314

    It shouldn't just be about HB 477.

  • scambuster American Fork, UT
    March 21, 2011 7:45 p.m.

    Herbert signed HB 477 into law with the caveat that there would be more time for discussion. Does this make sense to anyone? That is like signing a divorce agreement with the expectations or hope, but no legal requirement, to alter the details of the divorce at a later time. Nobody in their right minds would do this, yet the legislature and the governor did just that with HB 477.

  • Dewey Hewson Eagle Mountain, UT
    March 21, 2011 7:16 p.m.

    "This is not process," (Senate President Michael) Waddoups said. "There's no reason to rush this like that."

    Yeah, I mean, it's not like you guys, ya know, rushed through the law in the first place.

    We should definitely take a much more cautious approach to repealing it...

    *sigh*

    Utahns, please please PLEASE come election time remember how "your" legislators, particularly the Republicans, treat and regard you with disdain and derision.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    March 21, 2011 7:08 p.m.

    'And better news is that the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that banks cannot hide financial transactions subsequent to Obama's sleazy bailouts.' - Chickenchaser | 5:06 p.m.

    You mean the Wall Street bailouts?

    The ones that cost the taxpayer $700 billion dollars?

    The one that George W. Bush signed on 10/04/2008??

    *'Bailout is law' - By Jeanne Sahadi - CNN Money - 10/04/08
    'President Bush signs historic $700 billion plan aimed at stemming credit crisis.'

    Wow. Blame Obama for the wall street bailout that Bush signed?

    Maybe you should stop watching Faux News now and get the facts CORRECT.

  • On the other hand Spanish Fork, UT
    March 21, 2011 6:55 p.m.

    Waddoups says, "There's no reason to rush this like that."

    I wonder if he could explain the reason for rushing to pass the bill in the first place?

  • jean22 Bountiful, UT
    March 21, 2011 6:14 p.m.

    "We will not accept doing nothing on GRAMA," House Majority Leader Brad Dee said.
    It sounds to me like we need a new House Majority Leader.

    Supposedly, part of passing HB477 was to cut costs, by not spending taxpayer money to make public records available. Well, $30,000 is being spent in one day to call a special session about HB477. Doesn't sound very frugal to me.

  • jim l West Jordan, UT
    March 21, 2011 5:27 p.m.

    While you are at it how about a veto or a repeal of HB116. Really do what the people want.

  • phgreek Hooper, UT
    March 21, 2011 5:10 p.m.

    Mr. Brad Dee. Your tone simply exemplifies the entire problem. Based on the numbers I'm aware of, your constituency is overwhelmingly against you doing much of anything to GRAMA.

  • Chickenchaser Centralia, WA
    March 21, 2011 5:06 p.m.

    And better news is that the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that banks cannot hide financial transactions subsequent to Obama's sleazy bailouts

  • Abe Sarvis Cedar City, UT
    March 21, 2011 5:03 p.m.

    @benlistening - others who belong on that list (especially if you're in Cedar City) are Reps Evan Vickers and Mike Noel, and Sen Dennis Stowell. Noel had the sense to vote against it the second time, but Vickers voted for 477 both times - then called for its repeal a week later.

  • calou84523 Ferron, Utah
    March 21, 2011 5:00 p.m.

    HB477 was a badly drafted, badly written, badly presented bill with good intentions and should be repealed. It violated Amendment IV of the constitution which guarantees the people (including legislators) to be "secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects . . . ." etc. This is an inalienable right, legislators have the right to expect that their private conversations (including texts and emails) will remain private until you figure out a way to insure that their electronic communications should inviolate. Perhaps the real answer is government issued cell phones and laptops that are government property and not subject to Amendment IV on which all legislative business MUST be discussed on with heavy financial penalties for discussions on private electronics (if and when discovered).

    Now Mr. Governor, how about something that has a more direct impact on the people of Utah . . . . Repeal HB 116 and the eviction of illegal aliens from our state which has potential of $450 million in savings.

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    March 21, 2011 4:59 p.m.

    I would propose that the Legislative Branch allowed the media to control the public debate, simply because our representatives refused to participate in the discussion. I dont want my representatives to do anything that would affect my Federal and State governments without there being a very public and formal debate. There wasnt one. The way this has developed could easily be compared to the sign and fix mentality of the Federal Healthcare.

    In my opinion, the greatness in our county isnt that we make the "right" decisions, but that the State and Federal Constitutions require that competing interests are injected into the debate and are represented. A lively debate is more important than the outcome.

    Overall, more right decisions are made.

  • bp486 None of your business, UT
    March 21, 2011 4:58 p.m.

    Governor Herbert lost my vote when he signed this. Should have vetoed it outright. Our legislators are a bunch of snooty know it all's and this never should have reached his desk, but it did and he should have rejected it. The public was clearly outraged.

    I will vote for someone else next election.

  • True Blue SEoul Orem, UT
    March 21, 2011 4:50 p.m.

    I'm glad there are lots of angry people who see through the politicking of the governor. I miss a good leader like Jon Huntsman who wasn't just a republican puppet but had his own ideas and values and pushed away from the legislature. I guarantee he would have vetoied this faster than you can say "Repeal." But alas as others point out, two things will happen now: 1. this is first of all a ploy to get people to stop supporting the repeal drive. They will act like they are repealing the bill in a legislature session and either not do it or just repeal one or two things and hope the referendum drive stops, and 2. even if it just remained as is, you would still have over 50% of the public vote straight republican tickets and elect the same people back into office. If the legislature didn't know that already, why would they have even passed such a terrible piece of legislation?

  • oldcougar Orem, UT
    March 21, 2011 4:06 p.m.

    Why on earth did you sign it in the first place, Governor. That loss of public confidence extends to you! I wish you had the courage of Rep. Powell and had recognized the bill, and the process by which it was passed, as unethical.

  • John C. C. Payson, UT
    March 21, 2011 4:02 p.m.

    Is there any part of HB 477 that deserves to be preserved? If private communications are already protected by current GRAMA law and if agencies already able to charge for the larger requests, what's wrong with it as it is?

    Perhaps we should go the other way and not allow the Republican caucus to deliberate privately when there are enough of them present to constitute a majority of the entire House. Any time that happens they become the de facto legislature and can make all their decisions in private, as they obviously have already been doing. Don't just repeal HB 477, put it in reverse and remove existing secrecy.

  • PA Rock Man Allentown, PA
    March 21, 2011 4:00 p.m.

    Then why did he sign it?!??!?!?!

  • onceuponatime Salt Lake City, UT
    March 21, 2011 3:35 p.m.

    This is why I will always be an independent, both sides are only in it for themselves and they no longer serve the people only their career aspirations.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    March 21, 2011 3:12 p.m.

    Governor, a True Leader would have vetoed this bill, despite it being veto proof. A True Leader would have said this is wrong and challenged the legislature to override his veto. Then the public's wrath would have been solely placed on the legislature. No this wrath is also directed at you. You must suffer the consequences, and that may be that you not make through the next convention.

    Every single legislator who wrote this bill, supported it or voted for it, regardless of pressure put on them should be voted out during the next convention and if they make it through the convention the voters should step in again and vote them out.

    George Washington said it so well in his final adddress upon leaving the Presidency. "When party wins, the people lose." These legislators are more interested in keeping their party positions and power and are not really interested in the people. They speak with their lips, but there hearts are far from us.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    March 21, 2011 3:04 p.m.

    BAGHDAD, Iraq With U.S. tanks rolling into central Baghdad, Iraq's information minister denied in a rooftop news conference Monday that the Americans were in the city, declaring: "Be assured Baghdad is safe, secure and great."

    "They are sick in their minds. They say they brought 65 tanks into center of city. I say to you this talk is not true. This is part of their sick mind," Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf said. "There is no presence of American infidels in the city of Baghdad at all."

    =======================

    I love watching guys uber-conservatives like Mike Richards, RedShirt, PeanutGallery, KM....etc. STILL trying to defend HB477.

    It reminds me of Saddam Hussein's Minister of Information, Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf.

    It's not so bad.
    You didn't even read it.
    You're over-blowing all out of proportion.
    the Liberals this,
    the "drive by Liberal media" that,

    Just Man-up, admit you're wrong, and that your extremeist ideology is out of touch with the majority of the State (including Republicans).

    or

    continue to look silly trying to defend it.....

  • Rainman Syracuse, UT
    March 21, 2011 2:53 p.m.

    Herbie went to the Obama school of leadership: Lead by following.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    March 21, 2011 2:40 p.m.

    @ PeanutGallery:

    "It seems wrong that their email, voicemail, text messages, etc., should all be presumed public records."

    It is our business if they are conducting public business or their communication is on a Blackberry provided to them at taxpayers' expense.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    March 21, 2011 2:31 p.m.

    When I read the full statement from the Governor: "I expect all stakeholders to engage as honest brokers in good faith-putting aside personal bias and cynicism-for deliberative, open discussion. The media has committed to finding the right outcome. The Legislature has committed to the same. I expect the public to engage and protect their rights."

    He forgot already he wasn't open with us in his process. He said he had concerns about the bill and then signed it almost immediately. He has a lot of bills he hasn't signed. He considered a veto why did he sign it immediately. Where was his deliberation? It was "limited" also as he chose to make everything private and not public in relation to the State, County, City, School and other governmental agency process in Utah. He does not have my confidence as the Governor. The black hole award continues, even in this statement as he does not trust citizens to be a valid part of the process. Just because some of us believe in open and frank discussion does not mean that we are cynical and have personal bias.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    March 21, 2011 1:55 p.m.

    "PeanutGallery | 12:59 p.m. March 21, 2011
    Salt Lake City, UT
    Concern about 477 is way overblown, and much of the media coverage has been very biased. It's basically a good bill (but maybe it could use a few tweaks for clarification)."

    The Communist Party in China would LOVE you as a subject er citizen.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    March 21, 2011 1:27 p.m.

    The Utah GOP is heading in the wrong direction.
    First the attempt to put tax on food in the middle of a recession.
    Then the importing of low-skilled workers into a weak economy.
    Plus legalizing others who are here already.
    And then you hide the work of the people through GRAMA.
    Which of those actions reflects the will of the conservative Utahns? None of the above.
    Remember Bob Bennett?

  • MormonDem Provo, UT
    March 21, 2011 1:24 p.m.

    PeanutGallery:

    Well, it's the media's job to be biased about legislation that restricts the media's access to public documents. Public information belongs to the people, not legislators.

    There are already procedures in place to protect private information contained in public communications. A transcript of a GRAMA-requested voicemail, for example, would have any non-public, non-pertinent information blacked out. If you start protecting certain kinds of communication from public scrutiny, you're simply inviting corrupt practices to gravitate towards those kinds of communication.

    And the process didn't "seem" rushed to the public. It *was* rushed, deliberately, to avoid scrutiny. We're not just talking about "bad optics" or bad PR here. We're talking about a bad, bad bill. It wasn't the way it was done that was the problem, it was the bill itself. The Republican leadership new this. That's why they tried to push it through before it, as they described it, "festered."

    Likewise, all these fake apologies from the Governor and legislatures are infuriating. They're not saying "I'm sorry I supported this bill," they're saying "I'm sorry I got caught."

  • benlistening Cedar City, UT
    March 21, 2011 1:21 p.m.

    The Spectrum stated that they will remind us before the elections, who voted for HB477. I already have my list, and will remember to remind all of my friends and neighbors to VOTE AGAINST Representative David Clark (R), Senator Urquhart (R), Washington County, and Gov. Herbert (R). Enough is enough.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    March 21, 2011 1:21 p.m.

    '@ Pagan - you are so out of touch.' - Hey It's Me | 12:36 p.m.

    Maybe. But at least I know what the topic is instead of resorting to adhominem attacks.

    Perhaps if we could talk about the bill like adults, instead of trying to distract from the subject?

    Or is that too much to ask?

  • MenaceToSociety Draper, UT
    March 21, 2011 1:18 p.m.

    Flip-flop, flip-flop, flip-flop...

    Ladies and gentlemen, I believe we have a flip-flopper!

  • PeanutGallery Salt Lake City, UT
    March 21, 2011 12:59 p.m.

    Concern about 477 is way overblown, and much of the media coverage has been very biased. It's basically a good bill (but maybe it could use a few tweaks for clarification).

    We have a part-time legislature, and for 10-1/2 months of the year they work regular jobs. It seems wrong that their email, voicemail, text messages, etc., should all be presumed public records. 477 seeks to bring some reasonable boundaries into the issue, especially with the greatly expanded use of newer communication technologies.

    I don't think there was any nefarious intent with 477. The main problem, as I see it, is perception: the legislature should have considered that this issue would be important to the public, so they should have brought the bill forward a lot sooner. Then the process wouldn't have seemed so rushed, and there would have been more time for public input. They probably still would have ended with a bill that was very similar to the current version, but the public perception would have been much less negative.

  • Hey It's Me Salt Lake City, UT
    March 21, 2011 12:36 p.m.

    @ Pagan - you are so out of touch.

  • news.john2 Nephi, Ut
    March 21, 2011 12:31 p.m.

    Why not create a law that takes all those old and new public record documents and create electronic copies of the all. Give someone a job, and make it a lot less expensive to comply to a request for records?

  • jean22 Bountiful, UT
    March 21, 2011 12:30 p.m.

    BEWARE! Herbert's intent is to take the air out of the sails of the Citizens' Initiative to Repeal HB477. I saw this kind of thing happen with the PetCoke plant in Woods Cross/West Bountiful a couple years ago. The citizens were organized in an effort against the extra pollution this plant would bring. Rep. Roger Barrus said that if they would call off the dogs, he would put forth a bill in their behalf. The bill was lame and watered down and didn't go anywhere, but he succeeded in making the people think he would represent them and took the wind out of their sails. If the governor claims he is planning to repeal HB477 "soon," then no one will feel the urgency to support a petition drive and those who favor closed government will win.

  • MormonDem Provo, UT
    March 21, 2011 12:27 p.m.

    If only we could harness all this Republican backpedaling as a source of alternative energy!

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    March 21, 2011 12:18 p.m.

    public confidence? ..Governor, you have lost my vote over HB 116....enjoy your retirement~

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    March 21, 2011 12:15 p.m.

    Why wouldn't Herbert think he could get away with this bill? You (R)epublicans voted for him after the 13 Million $ payout to the contractor. All he had to do was run with an R by his name and now the R lawmakers feel ENTITLED to hide their legislative business under the disguise of "protecting children"

    Guess what, you Republicans will do it again because they know you would never vote for anything that doesn't have the auto R next to it.

    After this blows over the alleged anti big government Republicans will add more bills adding more government and taking away your rights. The state will just keep voting R.

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    March 21, 2011 12:08 p.m.

    Dear Governor, Oops again...just not a good political move, you need some new advisors, they ones you have just aren't cutting it. You see, this blunder just might cost you your job...just who is pushing your buttons?

  • Joe Bauman Salt Lake City, UT
    March 21, 2011 11:53 a.m.

    Repeal HB477. Period.

  • stevo123 slc, ut
    March 21, 2011 11:53 a.m.

    Dear Guv. Too Little to late, you could have been a hero with a veto. Watch as the rest of the Republicans crawl out from under the hb477 rock. Those looking at the new fourth Congressional seat will be the first out.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    March 21, 2011 11:48 a.m.

    Flip flop?

    First, he votes it into law.

    Now, he 'supports' repealing it.

    This is what you get when the enitre state only votes for one party.

    You deserve what you get Utah.

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    March 21, 2011 11:41 a.m.

    Now he needs to urge the repeal of the guest worker program. He must have liked the bill to sign it, or did he sign it to find out what was in it, following the leadership of Pelosi?

  • EgbertThrockmorton Layton, UT
    March 21, 2011 11:37 a.m.

    First he was for it, now that he knows what's in it, he's against it. Time for mandatory term limits and no retirement freebies for legislators and Governors of Utah. This back-door cabal of sneakiness is what is so frustrating about the Utah "culture". Too many seem to think being honest and forthright is not important at all. Our state(and Federal) elected representatives SHOULD have character and integrity, instead we get back-room deals, campaign donors who get awarded huge contracts, legislators frolicking with minors, legislators thinking they are above the law and religious interference in the work of the people. Even the people of Utah County sheeple that they are deserve better than those who have been selected by the "caucus" (crony corp) to run for office.Time to end the caucus plan for a plan of salvation to save this state before it's too late, and we become the Western version of Illinois.

  • owlmaster2 Kaysville, UT
    March 21, 2011 11:34 a.m.

    If Governor Herbert TRULY didn't like the bill and felt it was veto proof, he would have let it go into law WITHOUT signing it.
    He's playing games with us now thinking we are stupid.
    Governor Herbert and the Legislature have no respect for you or me. For them this is a huge power trip and they "were" loving it till they stepped too far.
    I wish the press would pay as much attention to what the Legislature is doing to education as they are HB 477.

  • S.Andrew Zaelit Salt Lake City, UT
    March 21, 2011 11:25 a.m.

    Gov you better get some butter and syrup for that big waffle you just cooked up.

  • attentive Salt Lake City, UT
    March 21, 2011 11:23 a.m.

    I voted for Herbert but I won't again. Yes, I will. No, I won't. Yes, I will. No, I won't. Yes, I will. NO, I WON'T!

  • THM Cedar City, UT
    March 21, 2011 11:05 a.m.

    It would be nice if the law was repealed, but I still don't trust any of them. For all we know, the Governor and the Legislature are hoping that the public's outrage will now be tamed and the public will back off of their petition drive expecting the law to be repealed, and then in turn our elected officials will do nothing about repealing 477 and come July 1st it will go into law as is now. I don't trust them. Everyone should still do all they can to sign the petition and to gather more signatures.

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    March 21, 2011 11:05 a.m.

    You already made the mistake and have shown your true colors Governor. Calling for a repeal at this point won't help you regain any semblance of public confidence. Your lack of leadership is disturbing.
    This legislative session has been a complete failure with bills such as HB477 supporting self interest and HB116 supporting special interest. We know where you and the legislatures loyalties lie and no effort on your part to back peddle is going to save you.

  • Carson Provo, UT
    March 21, 2011 11:03 a.m.

    Repeal those amnesty bills too! Let's keep the pressure on them.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington DC, MD
    March 21, 2011 10:54 a.m.

    Lets do the same thing at the federal level with Obamacare.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    March 21, 2011 10:40 a.m.

    Governor Herbert, or should I call you The Republican Legislature's pool dude, DO NOT replace this bill with anything similar or sneaky.

  • jean22 Bountiful, UT
    March 21, 2011 10:40 a.m.

    Is he really advocating "repeal" or just planning to "amend" HB477 still? When he uses the word "reconsider," it still sounds pretty wishy-washy to me. I hope this isn't just a ploy to get the public to be lulled into thinking everything will be okay and then they still go ahead with previous plans when they think no one is watching anymore. This seems to be a slippery bunch of politicians we are dealing with here.

  • BYU Girl Kearns, UT
    March 21, 2011 10:39 a.m.

    Duh Governor Herbert! Why didn't you realize that before you signed the bill?

  • Kimball Woodruff Salt Lake City, UT
    March 21, 2011 10:34 a.m.

    Don't bother. The citizens we'll handle it while we show that we're a democracy.

  • Christy72 Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 21, 2011 10:29 a.m.

    Gov Herbert and the Legislature need to listen up, the people have spoken, we want GRAMA back, just as it was before they rammed HB477 down our throats.

  • deserthound Salt Lake City, UT
    March 21, 2011 10:27 a.m.

    Yes, the existing GRAMA law already exempted personal communications. Yet, even last week I spoke with a key senior member of the Legislature who strongly supported HB477. His number one reason? Because he didn't want his personal communications subjected to records requests. Proof that these guys often don't even read the laws they try to amend, let alone the new bills proposed. It's all largely based on unfounded rhetoric and ideology. Great use of precious state resources, guys! I would propose a bill that 'considering the collateral damage these guys routinely inflict upon Utahns and our state image, we simply eliminate the Utah Legislature until we actually see 50/50 R/D split."

  • sid 6.7 Holladay, UT
    March 21, 2011 10:23 a.m.

    How does this guy get Re-Elected? Seriously? Was the $13,000,000 pay out not enough to maybe consider another candidate?

    We can all count on another three and a half years of this kind of leadership.

  • Mary E Petty Sandy, UT
    March 21, 2011 10:21 a.m.

    Good Move! I wish the Governor had not played politics with this one. He could have avoided a whole lot of bad press, ill-will and embarrassment by not signing this bill.

    Transparency in government is right and good. There is a cost to doing the people's business. The price of such openness is worth it. It is needed so those who choose to become fully informed, as well as those who manipulate popular opinion, can both have the facts. With such openness the fully informed can see the facts in spite of and in the light of the manipulation and game-playing of politics, and the line between good and evil becomes all the more clear.

    Utahns are not a bunch of doofusses that marketers and pollsters and party politics can manipulate at will. Thankfully, there are still enough people in Utah who know the difference between good and evil and support goodness when they see it. We want such openness in government. Next time the Governor needs to check his good vs evil meter instead of marketers, pollsters and politicking to make good leadership decisions.

  • Abe Sarvis Cedar City, UT
    March 21, 2011 10:17 a.m.

    The wind is blowing, and as usual Gary is as resolute as a Kleenex.

  • ms Draper, UT
    March 21, 2011 10:13 a.m.

    The article states that lawmakers conversations with constituents are already protected. So if that was the purpose then there was no reason for HB477. I am not sure that conversations with constituents should be protected as it provides an avenue for constituents who are also heavy contributors to receive special attention which I think is wrong. Which begets the question as to when do heavy contributers who are also constituents receive the privacy protection already provided to them as constituents and when should they not receive this protection? I think they should lose this protection when they are heavy contributors. What is a heavy contributor one who contributes more than the amount of the lowest contributor that legislator has in his pool of contributors.

  • ODannyBoy Sandy, Utah
    March 21, 2011 10:09 a.m.

    A day late, a dollar short. Should have vetoed the bill when it first came through. Show some backbone.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    March 21, 2011 10:06 a.m.

    Pathetic. At least have the guts to stand up for, and behind, the bill your party snuck through the back door at the last minute to avoid public outcry.

    And in the end, this matters not. Utahn's will still step in the voting booth, select the R - Straight Party option, and every Legislature who voted for this bill in the first place will skate to re-election. Just the way politics in Utah work.

    Can you imagine if this bill in Utah had been drafted, supported, approved, voted for, and signed off on by Democrats? The only word you would be hearing was "IMPEACH."

  • chiefbrady Salt Lake City, UT
    March 21, 2011 10:02 a.m.

    Now just reconsider your other failure (granting amnesty to illegals).

  • RBN Salt Lake City, UT
    March 21, 2011 10:01 a.m.

    Nearly the last one to jump on the bandwagon. Now that's leadership.

  • The Dude Abides Salt Lake City, UT
    March 21, 2011 9:59 a.m.

    Too little and too late, Governor. You had the chance to veto and instead signed a bill you now say should be repealed. Diagnosis: Failure to lead.

  • In My Humble Opinion South Jordan, UT
    March 21, 2011 9:59 a.m.

    I hope the Governor has a good orthopedic surgeon. He must be getting whiplash from the about-face.

  • Motappin Sandy, UT
    March 21, 2011 9:59 a.m.

    "Veto-proof margins"? If he didn't like the bill he shouldn't have signed it, period. I wish he hadn't. So he signs the thing and now calls for repeal? Come on Gov. Leaders are supposed to stand up for what they (supposedly) believe in and do what's right, "veto-proof margins" or not.

  • govt rocks Salt Lake City, UT
    March 21, 2011 9:59 a.m.

    Herbert and every legislator who voted for this deserves to be ousted from office, regardless of the potential repeal. They wnated, they voted for or signed it and once the people spoke out, they changed their minds. If they were really representing the people, it never would have made it out of committee. Utah's one ideology government is asinine.

  • Viva la Migra American Fork, UT
    March 21, 2011 9:59 a.m.

    This just shows that Herbert is out-of-touch. While the initial vote was veto-proof, the amended bill wasn't close to that. Plus, he had received plenty of public input against this bill. All he had to do was veto the bill which would have strengthened is public support and focused voter wrath on the legislature, if they attempted to override the veto.

    Instead, Herbert has a huge target on him going into next year's convention and will most likely get the Cannon/Bennett treatment.