The Deseret News has a fine and accurate headline for this story, but a
replacement headline perhaps should be: "Blackmail at the Highest Levels of
Utah Government."This must be dealt with: first a total repeal
of this horrid excuse for a law, then with the loss of power for all those who
pushed it.Utahns, come election time remember how most Republican
legislators in this state truly view you.
I wonder why any of us are surprised by these turn of events. As Utahans we live
in a state run by one majority. Regardless if they were Republicans, Democrats,
Socialists, or Communists, having a government run by a single voice is a bad
idea. I know some people will argue that diversity in government
only leads to stalemate. However, I am a stern believer that debate and the free
exchange of ideas are a cornerstone of our country. In reality, if we are a
state/country with only one view, dont we become one of those places that
oppresses the views and beliefs of the minority?
A vote was held up for 3 days because she didn't like the way Clark voted?
I'm no fan of Clark after last year's Garn debacle, but really, do we have a
bunch of 6 year olds in the legislature? Oh and BTW, that GRAMA bill? That
was Obama type stupidity.
GRAMA was Obama-style stupidity? I like the way you snuck in that flattery to
our President. Good job! Utah voters don't understand what's
happening. Most vote by rote, because they've always done it that way. They
don't listen to the other side, they only listen to what their side says ABOUT
the other side. This leads to a state that thinks the wealthy have
earned their status, that the well-educated have no role in society -- and so we
idolize Biebers, Trumps and Kardashians.By the time the Republicans
in Utah have finished, it'll be too late for the voters. Chris Buttars and
Carl Wimmer will be looked upon fondly as moderates.
The answer is simple, but sad. We have a bunch of veteran lawmakers whose power
has gone to their heads. They ALL need to go the next election! This does not
mean we have to change our own ideology and send in a whole different party. We
just need new people from both parties. EVERYONE needs to go. I can't believe
anyone would have voted for this bill the first or second time in any form! They
obviously have brain damage. Has anyone checked the capitol building for radon
My question is why? Why was it necessary to push this bill through without
public debate and at such a furious rate?My feeling is that this
type of legislation would benefit a few now, but it seems could have the
potential of being severely abused. I believe there are things that need to be
kept confidential, but all in all the government needs to stay as transparent as
our national security allows.If our elected officials are worried
about being embarrassed by DUI's and marital indiscretions, then tough. I feel
the people have a right to know. These people whom we elect need to be examples
to our communities.If they are covering up personal business deals
that hint on being unethical at best and illegal at worst, it is our right to
know!If they feel their lives are too exposed due to the
technologies available today (internet blogs, camera phones, texting, etc.),
they need to realize they are always on the job 24/7 before they run for
office.We need trust in our government know more than ever! Utah
should be the beacon of trust and openness. By the people, for the people!
The things many people don't remember is that even Russia and Germany had the
illusion of a two party political system but it was all corrupted just like we
see in our own country.
This story is not surprising. Utah needs a change. Unfortunately, this WILL
NOT happen until we get rid of the WACKY caucus system. It seeems most of the
legislators that are currently in office are there not because they represent
the views of the mainstream in Utah, but because they got all of their buddies
to attend their neighborhood caucuses and become delegates. After that, if your
name has an "R" by it, you've got it made. Utahns are complacent,
they don't attend their caucus meetings and they don't do their homework before
they go to the polls. This is unfortunate because in this state, the caucus is
where is all begins.
At least Rep. Clark is talking about repealing this "abomination," and
as soon as possible (in April). What I don't understand is why 1. Lockhart
continues to deny putting pressure on her colleagues 2. Lockhart continues to
defend this garbage piece of legislation and the "process" 3. Lockhart
continues to blame the media, and 4. Why she even wanted this bill in the first
place. She, Dougall, Waddoups and Gov. Herbert need to step up and take some
responsibility. The only solution is a repeal.
Tami says "This does not mean we have to change our own ideology and send
in a whole different party"Yes, it does. It's your ideology
that causes things like this to be rammed through!Your Republicans
are shocked that there's an outcry! Why wouldn't they be shocked? They
weren't criticized when they rammed through a large number of meaningless,
money-wasting "message bills". Did you speak out about
the time and money wasted on redesigning the state flag? (Why wasn't the law
just amended to allow the current design? Who had the deep pockets to ram the
new design through?)Did we really need to waste time (and
embarrassment) on designating a "state gun"?Your
ultra-right ideology is coming home to roost. A lot of things have been
condoned behind the scenes - like that $13 million pay-out by UDOT.YET you all continue to support "your ideology".I
learned my own, from Sunday School, years ago.Who taught you yours?
Czarina Lockhart and her minions act with the same imperial manner as our
Governor. This isn't "news" at all, it's more of the same fetid
political skull-duggery that so infects Utah politics. Time for mandatory term
limits and to change/flush the political water on Capitol Hill.
An insidious relationship at best - Lockhart and Bramble. They're two peas in a
pod, working together to make sure they have all the power. It's not that they
necessarily have some policy agenda they want to get through, they just want to
have power. They're the worst type of politician. Like the term limits
idea. Not a new one, but possibly one that needs to be enforced. The threat of
it forced the legislature to adopt term limits back in the late 1990s, but then
when the limits were were about to come up, they changed the rules, eliminating
term limits. Why did they bring them up in the first place? Threat of a ballot
referendum. Maybe time to bring one up again?
Well back home we have a saying: They eat their own. Like rats trying to get off
a ship that is sinking it appears every legislator who voted for this bill is
doing a Michael Jackson moonwalk. Don't let any of them get away with this and
other "outstanding" pieces of work passed through this session. We
elect these individuals to do their due diligence during a session. They failed.
I am disappointed with both the legislature and the governor. NO bill should be
fast tracked. In order for their to be trust by the citizens of Utah in our
state government, it is essential for the legislative process to be as
transparent as possible. This means we should take the time on bills for
feedback from any interested in commenting on the bill. Each bill should be
read by all who vote on it; and we should all have the chance to review the bill
and submit comments to our representatives.If it was so readily
apparent that the bill was flawed enough to justify a special session to modify
it, it is flawed enough to vote against, get the bill right, and THEN vote for
or sign the bill. It is irresponsible, in my opinion, for the governor to sign
a bill he new was this flawed. His missgivings should have been enough reason
to veto the bill. This is not leadership. This is cowardice, in my opinion.
It is very interesting to be able to listen to the give and take between the
legislative leadership and the members of the house. With just a little
"looking between the lines" a picture is coming more clear about how
things work on the hill. If you play along your bills don't get stuck in the
rules committee or on the third reading list. If you don't play along,
"things" can happen to your bill so it doesn't move along. No real
verbal/overt pressure is put on the members to vote a certain way...but the
message is loud and clear...you vote the way leadership want...or there is a
price to pay. It may not be said out loud...but just observe what happens to
the bills of those who don't. It was especially that way under Speaker Curtis
and still is under the current leadership. One party with over 80% of the House
in it facilitates just such a system. We need to move more closely to a real 2
party system. That is the best "check and balance" we can have. The
founding fathers saw that. So should we.
The Republican Utah Legislature says they are for less government, what they
really mean is less government by the people for the people, less freedom and
less for anyone that isn't a millionaire developer they can sell out to in
While I completely disagree with the bill, look at the poll question and how it
is set up for the desired negative response. I'm really tiring of these Deseret
News Polls and the blatant built in bias. for HB116 the poll questions are
phrased positively toward support and for HB477 they are negative.
Here her! TIme for term limits! Get that referendum on the ballot.
Speaker Becky Lockhart, who is the lobbyist that pressured (lobbied) you to run
this bill? What is the lobbyist's name?Who is the client who paid
the lobbyist and how much was paid?
These elected representatives represent the majority view that government is not
to be trusted. They represent their districts and are reelected because many of
our fellow Utahns see no problem in rule by double standard. Now, if only this
all could resurface during the 2012 session as they do very little but look to
be reelected.Why is Rep. Clark badmouthing Speaker Lockhart for
doing the same thing he did when he was speaker? Campaigning fits some
politicians better than the actual representation part. Why is the Right
trashing the media so much over this? The media seems to favor whatever wing is
NOT in power and seems more interested in full transparency than favoring a
wing. How dare they attempt to protect the public interest!Watch
how things unfold over the next 10 or so months. Lots of smoke blowing. Lots
of finger-pointing and scapegoating. And then watch the 2012 legislative
session or any election year session. They are essentially do-little sessions.
And we will do much like we have done in the past, reelect the same lot that we
are so irritated with now. Maybe 2012 will be different, but I doubt it.
@DBeck The media is representing its own self interest in relation to HB477, not
the public interest. The only interest not being represented is the public
interest. I believe the public IS waking up to this and that heads are going to
role come the elections.
Let me try again. I am surprised this article did not mention Rep. Kraig
Powell's leadership on this issue. He was the first to call attention to
possibility this bill might have been inappropriately pushed through, too fast
and without proper study time...and with the implication that lack of support
for leadership might have negative consequences for those who would vote against
the bill. Thanks to those who are following Powell's lead on this response.
Hopefully the response will lead to rules which will prevent such political
maneuvering in the future.
The whole process of this Speaker of the House made any other legislative
positive action for naught. There are too many questions why she fast-tracked
and slammed dunk this HB477. Is it her husband's influence? Is it the Tea
Party's influence, is it the Eagle Forum influence? One has to have Integrity
and Honesty to maintain an open and honest discussion with the public. To
withhold information and the process from her fellow legislators is a disgrace
to the process if she wants to maintain a civility with her party. It is more
than a party aspect. Utah is know for honesty and openess in our process. She
has made it so legislators are now backtracking to maintain their own descency
and honor, now that the quick process is unfolding. If you do 99 good things and
the next one is egregious to the public and openess and Integrity of the system,
the B+ you gave yourselves, to the C Dr. Jowers gave to F- is a failure for any
other part of the legislature. Trying to save any part of this HB477, if there
is a sponsor will be a failure.