It is usually in the best interest of a journalist to find out both sides of the
issue. The other side of the story is well worth looking into. --The
kid's police record --what the poor baby said --what the rest of the
boys in the class said about the incident --how his parents can't control
him so keep passing him back and forth --how there was no injury --how it was an accident --how the "child" didn't mind until
his mommy heard about it and she screamed child abuseCoach North
coached/taught 2 of my boys and did a GREAT job. I haven't talked to him about
this but the boys in that class told the story to my kids. They ALL had the
same story supporting Coach North.
Whoa folks! I know many people are going to start freaking out about this right
away. This headline is Hyperbole! I have students at Wasatch and have been
following this since last week. Trust me, it's not what it seems. It's just one
of those deals where a line was crossed and since now days there is no gray
area, legally they had to do something to appease the parents of the child and
those who were calling for his head. Most of us remember the days when we were
growing up, and the P.E. coach would be rough or whatever, that is all that
happened here. A student got out of line (really badly) and the coach tried to
get him to conform until he lost his cool. Ya, he crossed a line, but to call it
"child abuse" is riduculous!!! I actually miss those days when
teachers/coaches could discipline students. I know when we were out of line, we
were going to get put back in place quickly. Now days little Johnny and Susie
know that they can get away with anything because Mommy and Daddy will sue for
them! very sad!
i was in high school not too long ago and i've seen the kinds of classroom
behavior that sparks one of these incidents. i have no idea what happened so
i'll reserve judgement, but if it turns out that the coach just flung a roll of
athletic tape at a student who was persistently pushing the envelope then the
parents (if they're even involved at all) need to lighten up and put some clamps
down on their kid.the district will take appropriate action and the
coach will be reprimanded, but most times it's the kid or a group of kids that
are almost always instigators. i'm not condoning what the coach did at all, but
unless these "physical injuries" were sustained by the coach flat out
beating, pushing, or throwing the kid around as opposed to just grabbing him by
the arm and dragging him out of class then i see no reason why he'd lose a job
I agree with the above comments- there is a lot more to the story. Good luck
Coach North- we'll be pulling for you!!
So upset with this story I had better not comment. I support Coach North
and know that he does what is best for students 100% of the time. I wish I
lived in Wasatch County for many reasons:1. so I could have my sons
instructed by him inside and outside the classroom2. so I could voice my
support for Coach North3. so I could clue in these unreasonable parents4. so I could show up to any meetings with my support5. on and onCoach needs to sue for slander and whatever else he can. Have to get a grip
Hey "Somewhere" that is a good idea. (-: Maybe we as a community can
sue the parents of this "child" for failing their responsibilities to
parent and for wasting our tax dollars suing a coach when they should be letting
their "child" finally meet some consequences instead of protecting him
from them. With parents like this it helps one understand why their child has
This is what happens when you give all the power to the students/parents. I
believe we need to give some power back to the Teachers. These kids know that
they can say and do whatever they want and when someone fires back they run home
to mommy and she calls the school and throws a fit. Then in a few years when
these kids are 30 and unemployed still living at home with mommy she blames the
school for not teaching her son better. Wake up people sometimes your kid did
something wrong it not always the Coaches/Teachers fault. I don't know the
details of the story but I do know Coach North and he is a good man caught up in
a mess caused by this generation of kids/parents who think that the world owes
them something and that nobody should ever raise their voice or give them a
swift kick in the butt.
@uw73, Amen brother! Those of us who did grow up here remember Coach Kelly in
Middle School. You always stayed in line, because if you didn't, you would get
the famous "Kelly boom". I also had a fifth grade teacher who had a
stick that he would rap you an the behind with if you got out of line. One day I
went home crying and told her Mr. D hit me with the stick, she smacked me on the
top of the head and when I asked her why, she said, "because if Mr. D hit
you, you must have been out of line" I never got in trouble in that class
again! Parents who aren't as involved in their childs education anymore, rarely
know the whole about what goes on day to day, they only hear when/if a teacher
yells at them. I would love to see the student/teacher ratio of who is at fault
more often. Probably about 100/1. Good luck Coach North!
you can't touch a student ..period. Yes the laws are totally in favor of the
student but the coach knew that so there is no excuse.
WOW! I heard a coach at Wasatch had gotten into trouble with the kids. I was
certain I knew who it was, only I was wrong! I agree with the posters, kids get
away with way too much now days. I'll wait to judge until I know the whole
story, which because I grew up there, will be in about 15 minutes! (lots of
contacts) I only hope there isn't another story coming soon. I personally know
another team (not soccer or track) at Wasatch that has coaches who are verbally
abusive (I've heard it straight from the horses mouth)to the team to the point
of tears on some occassions. I would never let my child play for a coach that
did that. Sometimes it's about more than winning and losing parents! I have
heard that these types of situations start with verbal abuse and then turn
physical, I hope the parents on the other team will be dilgent and watchful this
@patriot, True dat! I've heard that Coach North was very remorseful after the
fact. But, come on, if you can tell me you've never been pushed over the edge by
a teenager, then you obviously have none!I'm not saying it's ok to act on it,
but I think we've all been there. The kid was trying to push him, it wasn't just
a one time outburst, it was continuous. I agree, he shouldn't have pushed the
student. But call a spade a spade! This is not child abuse as we know it. I
don't care how it's written in the law books, sometimes there has to be a better
definition. The kid wasn't injured, he actually apologized after the incident.
There were many other students who witnessed it and all that I know, said it was
taken out of context. It's sad that one very minor incident holds his whole
future in it's grasp. p.s. the "her" in my last post I was
referring to was my mother, God rest her soul!
Let me start this by saying that I think Steve North is a solid football coach,
teacher and good guy. However, as I have said every time we have this situation;
as an educator, responsible for instructing and teaching students who are mostly
minors, you are not allowed to put your hands them. It is not in his job
description to physically pursue a minor. I am sure this kid probably was a punk
and problematic but it is not coach North's responsibility to physically
discipline him. Child abuse charges? Not warranted! But the school and the
district should document the situation and come up with a punishment that
addresses the seriousness of the issue but doesn't dismiss what this guy has
done for the school and the community.I would continue to caution
these educators..Don't let an emotional situation lead to a detrimental action
which puts your job, career and reputation in jeopardy.
Coach North knows what he did was wrong but schools need to figure out what to
do with kids like this one who just want to cause trouble (start at home) Like
oldgoat said check out his police record. I know that coach has had trouble with
this kid in class before. QUESTION: Has the kid been suspended for his actions??
Good luck Coach we support you 100% because i know the kid and his history.
I had a couple abusive coaches growing up. Problem is if he'll throw/push a
student up against a wall, where will he stop? My coach threw a kid into a
Sounds like the coach is a straight-up guy who is well-respected in his
community. Unfortunately, he crossed the line when he touched the unruly
student. He let his anger take control of his actions. Yes, the kid needs to be
disciplined, but there are other ways to do it. Back when I was a kid we would
get paddled, but these are not the old days. I can understand and empathize with
the people who say that the kid had it coming. He sounds like a punk deserving
of detention. Also,the coach does not deserve a criminal charge for his
understandable lapse of good judgment. A written warning would suffice along
with the school district mandating training for all their teachers. Sometimes
good people make poor choices when they are flustered.
All due respect Doctor you have know idea who Steve North is
Ridiculous! Kick this kid out of this school and make him attend one for people
like him. Give the coach / teacher a commendation and a raise. I am a bog
proponent of 3 strikes. If the kid is dis-respectful kick him out of your class.
If he gets kicked out of class 3 times, suspend him for a week. If he gets
suspended 3 times, kick him out of that school, or all schools.
I believe the coach should counter sue the parents for poor parenting and
raising a child with a disruptive behavior who has no respect for authority. I
don't think the coach did anything wrong. Yes, even a teacher of 20 yrs has his
breaking point. And if the student was cool about the teacher's reaction, then
the incident should have remained in class. This mother is an idiot. She is
out to ruin a life.
Another football coach with anger issues.Imagine that.
Coach North is a fine man. And I understand the boy appologized shortly after
the incident. The school initiated the investigation. Pointing the finger at either Coach North or the student is not right. The
school policies and legal requirements are carrying this case, not the Coach or
There's a bit of forgotten wisdom in the old lyric, "School
days, school days Dear old golden rule days Readin' and 'ritin' and
'rithmetic Taught to the tune of the hickory stick"For
all our advances, the old "hickory stick" got the job done.
I guess my first comment was rejected because it might hurt someone's feelings!
I didn't call anyone nasty names or swear or anything like that---I just told it
like it is!!!I will try to be "really nice" in my comments
so the editorial staff doesn't get all bent out of shape.What was
the county attorney thinking to file a criminal charge against the coach. He is
elected because he is supposed to have common sense. He should have vetted the
complaint and then let the school handle it--not cave in to an angry parent.Apparently this young person has not been taught properly in the
home---or else he would not have been constantly disruptive and disrespectful in
the class. I would humbly propose that if the parent(s) don't like the way
their child was treated by the teacher, perhaps they should home school him
until he learns to respect others.I guess I come from the old
school, but if and when my kids got disciplined in school, it was much more
severe when they got home!
I had Coach North as a teacher and a basketball coach, and I know him well
enough to take his back on this. Hey Coach, know that Robbie Farr has your
back. And Coach North does not have anger issues.... That is an assumption made
(Y ask Y) and I can see why you would think that.... But that is simply not
right. Good luck Coach! Hopefully everyone involved learns from this and it
does not affect anyone negatively moving forward.
The kids parents should be arrested for raising a kid like that!!! The school
needs to stand up to those who disrupt classes so it is hard for the kids who
want to learn. When I went to high school the coaches had "swat"
boards and you behaved or else.
The is the problem with today's students. The coach did nothing wrong the
student needs to be kicked out of school.
I don't know how we are able to continue to keep anyone in the teaching and law
enforcement professions of this nation. We should be grateful for every person
willing to put up with the threats and constant provocations coming from those
they are hired to watch over -- in many cases, children and wild teens, who have
no sense of proper behavior or sense of decency; who look for an opportunity to
complain about & sue those who are placed in the unfortunate position of
having to put up with them, to keep thier job. Some are just lying in wait to
take pot shots at these public servants. Many have left the teaching
& coaching professions, because they felt robbed of the ability to maintain
discipline. When it comes to teachers or law enforcement officers, they both run
the risk of litigation by the real offenders, waiting to find something they can
file suit for. They face this for merely doing their job. Words
can't express how grateful I am, that there are noble individuals willing to put
themselves at risk to help the rest of us: especially our children.
This Coach deserves a break. It sounds like this teen was out of line and while
the Coach may deserve some reprimand for losing his temper I think anyone in a
similar circumstance would have been pushed close to the limit. The reaction of
the coach from the description given was excessive but not that severe. While
there are some things we can't tolerate among our teachers I think our teachers
put up with enough crap to deserve a break when they make a minor mistake like
this one.One other thing the article title should clearly state the
accused abuse is physical-sadly that is the assumption when a teacher is accused
of abuse anymore and it would be good to make that distinction from the get-go.
child abuse... HARDLY.....this is ridiculous. I can not beleive the parents no
days. I have 7 kids of my own, and I would hope the teachers would care enough
to keep them in line. Parents need to teach kids to respect authority. Coach
North, hold your head high.. this kid is obviously a waste. I sure hope the
school board or those involved in making a decision will be in favor of Coach
TJ-I admired and respected my coach. But he could be a mean dude. With all due
How does this qualify as child abuse? The student wasn't injured. One of my
kids (who was NOT a problem child) was shoved against the wall by a teacher who
was going through a very rough time in his personal life. He came to us in
tears asking not to press charges as it would ruin his career and negatively
impact his wife and kids. We did not b/c our son wasn't hurt. We only
requested that he get anger management treatment so no innocent kid was hurt.
This is overkill, especially since the kid is a problem child.
I would as soon believe Steve North abused a kid as I would believe Barack Obama
won the election in Utah...
I say there needs to be a "child abuse" charge filed against the
parents for not teaching their child manners and respect! And we wonder why
society is going south...duh!
We are WAY too soft of a country. Goodbye sweet America
Our legislature has done this to our schools. The legislature takes money
away from the public schools and gives it to the private and charter schools.
The legislature keeps saying that public schools are bad and private and
charter schools are good.Public schools can not kick out the bad
kids because of legislature rules. The public schools can not properly
discipline because of legislature rules.The coach/teacher has to
deal with more and more students. He needs to deal with low funding for his
programs. He needs to deal with a school system that has students in his
classroom that do not want to be there and will be unruly. He can not
discipline them he might get in trouble if he yells at them.So a
teacher deals with a large class load and with no funding. He deserves a medal,
what do we give him? We charge him and the legislature will pass 100 bills that
are against him and his profession.Why do I want my children in
private or charter schools? The legislature gives us more money and the bad
kids can not go to them.
I am offended that a student in a school that depends on my tax dollars to
function is allowed to continually disrupt the teaching of other students.
Throw his sorry butt out of school and let his parents deal with the problem
they have created. He shouldn't be allowed to keep others from learning.
We need to teach our children to repect and obey their teachers. We are paying
for their schooling and they need to show appreciation. It is not easy to be a
teacher or a parent and we all know how disobedience can wear one down. Our
schools need to address this issue to protect the teacher and the students.
Classes are getting to large, students unruly, and teachers need more help from
the school boards.shuttdlrl
I see nothing wrong with the coach and his reaction good luck coach and keep up
the good work . and in the mean time maybe the parents can spend some time with
their child and teach him some manners
I was taught and coached by Steve North and he is a great man! I am losing faith
in society. This whole situation is outrageous. If he just kicks the kid out of
class the boys mothers complains. If he doesn't then half of the class is
wasted. The students and their parents have to much power. Coach made a mistake
but abuse! The county prosecutor should be ashamed! Your community supports you
and your family Coach North! Thanks for everything you taught me and thousands
of other students!
I have had the privilege of knowing Steve North well and he is an honorable,
wonderful man in all aspects of his life. I have substituted his classes and he
is a VERY tolerant man to say the least. It is obvious to me, and to all who
know Coach North that the problem does not lie with him. I feel so bad that his
good name is being tarnished by an incident taken out of context. The mom of
the child should be ashamed of herself and know that because she refuses to
teach her child, other people are paying the price. Where is the parents'
accountability in this? The newly elected county attorney should be ashamed as
well. Let's prosecute an actual criminal.
@ Charles HistoryPrivate schools aren't getting a dime from the
legislature, the state, or any other public means.Charter Schools
ARE public schools. They are regulated by the state.Don't turn this
into an anti-private school story.Private schools are self
Welcome to the world of teachers! My son, who teaches in Milwaukee, witnessed a
student hit a teacher with a lunch tray and then an hour later that same student
was back in my son's classroom again. (Budget cuts "forced" the
school board to eliminate detention, but my son, who also coaches 2 sports, is
free to create some sort of discipline system, on his own time.) Gone is the
support of parents. Gone is the back-up from administration. In it's place are
outcome-based sanctions against teachers to guarantee that no child will be left
behind. Kids know that the system puts them in the driver's seat. The cherry
on top is all of you who regularly post attacks that teachers are lazy,
over-paid, unionized whiners. Who in their right mind would do this job for the
pittance of pay and lack of respect? If all of you truly believe in
this man, then back him up. Help raise money for his defense. Show up to board
meetings. Show both students and parents that your community expects more for
the privilege of the education your taxes & votes provide. Do something.
@Doctor Guess what. This is not YOUR COACH! A different person, many years of
teaching with this single incident and will probably never be another. Grow up,
quit projecting, quit trying to make it something you think it might be or want
to believe it is though you know nothing about it!!! Y ask Y, why do you assume
this coach has an anger problem, because this is one incident in twenty some
years of teaching? Why do you people have to come on here and judge and assume
and categorize a situation as you think it might be even though you don't know
the people from Adam and really have no idea what the situation is!
Unbelievable, really... unbelievable!
This is where the teachers Unions come into play to help this teacher. Maybe
some of you anti union people need to remember that teachers get a raw deal in
this state. Terrible funding, bad pay and your kids being disrespectful.
My understanding is that this young man is 17 years old. If he committed a
serious crime the county attorney would be working to try him as an adult. Why
then is the county attorney calling this child abuse when in reality this young
man should be responsible for his actions as an adult?Coach North
you and your family are in our prayers.
I agree with a earlier post WE need to get out and put on paper those who
support Steve North not only parents but the kids also, this could end in a
disaster for Coach North and the parents of this kid could care less because
their lives are not what Steve has. I really hope that everyone can come
together and save his job, pension, and give him the respect he has worked hard
for, Steve is a great man and would do anything for anyone I can't imagine the
crap he has to put up with everyday and finally one kid gets to him and he is
the one who pays for it, its really sad that teachers have to put up with so
much for the pay they earn and the parents have no appreciation for what most of
the teachers do!
The person the mother is hurting most is her own son!!
I am a Wasatch High grad and have known Coach North during my high school years
as well as after, which has been a while. I would trust Coach North with my boy
and hope that if my kid was acting out that he would put my boy in his place.
Its quite sad that these dead beat parents are to lazy to do their job as
parents and it falls to teachers and whoever else encounters these kids for them
to get their discipline from.My father was a teacher in the Wasatch
School District for over thirty years and I have a ton of respect for teachers
and what they have to put up with. My hope is that Wasatch County and the school
board will do the right thing and support their teacher, Mr Steve North.
Charter schools are under the same rules as public schools, so we experience the
very same challenges. At our schools (American Prep), if a student
disrupts the class, and does not stop after a verbal reminder, the student is
dismissed from the class. The student is not allowed back into class that day
and after meeting with the student and confirming the story with the teacher, a
parent intervention is the next step, meaning that a parent (or someone they
designate - can be an aunt, uncle, grandparent, older sibling) must attend that
class with the student for one day before the student can return to class on
their own. This is to provide extra coaching to the student on how to conduct
themselves in class. This works really well for us and in most cases
fixes the behavior for that student and prevents it in others. If
teachers are not ENCOURAGED to remove a student from a class who is disruptive,
they won't because it is looked upon by most schools as a teaching failure to
send a student out. Schools should have a policy that prohibits disruption by
students so teachers can be free to teach.
The concern I have is for the student in question. As an adolescent, he
obviously hasn't learned what he needs to in order to survive in this world.
Most likely he will follow a life filled with shameless acts, unless a caring
individual(s) intercedes. Perhaps his parents haven't been able to reach him. If
they've neglected him, and are trying to get at the teacher out of
embarrassment, then they need help as well. I have no idea what the
circumstances are with the parent/kid relationship. I know it happens to the
best of parents.However, this kid needs discipline! He could be
kicked out of school, but then what? The parents can't help him apparently, and
he is left to do whatever he wants. He finds a group of kids that are like
minded or becomes a loner and begins an unproductive life of laziness and
possibly crime. He soon realizes that his life is full of regret and shame. I
believe the coach did what he thought was the only way he could get his
attention...I am truly grateful for discipline in my life by
teachers and my parents!
Unbelievable that so many would justify violence against a student.What is this world coming to?
When this boy is finally arrested and tossed in jail, who will his Mommy cry to
then?We need more parents like the mother of the 6th grader I caught
peeing in the restroom sink. She dragged him back to school every day for a
week and he had to clean all the restrooms in the building -- with supplies he
purchased with his own money.The restrooms sparkled. And I'll bet
he was much better behaved throughout the remainder of his school career.
Y ask Y,Have you spoken with students that were there? I have and
this is not abuse. It was uncalled for and we are not condoning Coach's actions,
but to be charged is uncalled for. Everyone knows that this kid was causing
problems and he apologized after. So don't cast judgment on the community or
this coach when you don't know what happened. What is this world coming to when
kids that receive no teaching or discipline at home disrupt class and then cause
a good man gets arrested for no real reason?! I'm worried about this world too
but knowing this coach, he is not one we should be worrying about!
Carolyn: It would be nice to have your idealistic situation,
however many public school teachers don't have administrative support. Send a
bad kid to the office and they're back in your room within minutes with a grin
(and a candy).Many of us have resorted to doing our own discipline
above and beyond the usual. We give hallway "detention" because
heaven forbid we keep kids after school and make parents pick them up. We
punish them in many other ways that, if someone pushes the whine-button, would
be discouraged and banned by admin.Yet, they nary lift a finger to
support classroom teachers. Why should they?
The lack of student discipline in school is THE major reason why education is
suffering. The decline of education began in the 70's when the ACLU said that
children have the same status as adults, thus emasculating the teachers and
taking away their authority (and ability) to teach. Disruptive students ruin the
learning atmosphere of a classroom suck energy and interest out of a class. Another problem is that our weak-willed principals don't have the
guts to back good teachers, and so we lose the good ones we have and deter those
who would like to get into the profession. Let the parents
home-school their child for a while or put him into a different class and give
Coach North a commendation.
In a position of authority and trust, teachers, clergy, etc., attacking a minor
regardless of provocation is child abuse. It's not the parents that are to blame
in this circumstance, the coach lost control. According to my sources, there is
surveilance video which corrobarates the allegations of the student, otherwise
the coach would not have been charged with child abuse. Think about it. The
teacher has been suspended; the district does not take this lightly and would
not go to this length if there wasn't truth to the allegations from the minor
student. It's fine to support the coach, but to go the lengths of accusing the
parents is ludicrous and shows just how biased people are and how willing they
are to turn a blind eye to blatant child abuse.
I am very dissapointed to hear the judgements towards the parents of this
student! There are so many facets to a story. Even the best of parents have
had issues with their children. We don't know the 'full' story behind the
family, even if you know them personally, we have NO right to judge them as
parents. Those of you without sin throw the first stone! There would not be a
charge of A class Misdemeanor if there wasn't evidence behind it. Knowing the
small community of Heber the district attorney was probably trying to appease
both sides. Mr. North would not have been charged with a serious charge
'unless' it was warranted!
He needs to fight this. There needs to be a jury trial. As one of his peers
who believes that America would be a drastically better place if teachers could
once again physically discipline disruptive students, I would vote for
"Daddy, what is abuse?" my daughter asked on coming home from school
after a discussion on the subject. I responded "Abuse is
when you are not disciplined when you should be." And, being from the old
school, I reminded her that if she got in trouble at school, she was in trouble
at home.Parents, educators and society are "abused" by
undisciplined children, students and citizens when appropriate discipline (self
and societal) are not taught and understood at an early age. Service (not
"serve us") to others is a great antidote for this lack of
discipline.School district officials: please think of and give your
poor abused teachers/coaches more opportunities to allow abusive students to
engage in meaningful service. Society will then benefit when these kids are
sounds like the kid got what was coming to him? Just as the bully on the
youtube vidio that is sweeping the country now. I have no clue what caused the
situation in Utah but I do know the frustration of trying to deal with
disruptive kids and not really being able to do anything about it because of sue
happy people. Sounds like the kid was well on his way to being a pain in the
publics behind in the court system. Maybe the coach saved the kid and county
some expense later on.
Abuse is the improper usage or treatment for a bad purpose, often to unfairly or
improperly gain benefit, physical or verbal maltreatment, injury, sexual
assault, violation, rape, unjust practices; wrongful practice or custom;
offense; crime, or otherwise verbal aggression. Abuse can come in many
forms.I have been teaching in a class room with disrespectful
children. In no way is ANY physical contact allowed to discipline in a school.
Old school or not, (which I am), does a educated proffessional have the right to
take the matters into their own hands, no! If the kid was so disrespectful as
claims have been made then why didn't the teach throw him out of class to the
Principles office and the kid suspended? Because there is more to the story,
that's why! If the coach had made a proper call, 'if' the student
was out of control then this situation would not be an issue right now. In
society, you can't look the other way and say the student 'got what he
deserved,' if we do, we open the door to 'abuse' of all kinds by others in
The unions in Utah are not like the unions in California. The UEA works for the
principal and the state. He needs an attorney, and a good one.
To ALL the Bloggers who support this kid (or anti-Coach North), do you read any
of the previous blogs before you post?I find it refreshing that
there are so many who are in support of Coach North and realize that the
instigator of this incident was an unruly, misbehaved, classic example of a
teenager out-of-control.Where is your harsh judgement on the
student? Don't tell me this kid didn't know what he was doing, or he's
"just a kid", or he just "did what every teenager does"...
that's bull. This teenager walked in with ANOTHER chip on his shoulder, looking
for attention because he KNEW he could get under a teacher's skin, and there was
nothing his absent parent, school or anyone else was willing to do anything
about.I UNDERSTAND completely, I have put 4 sons through High
School, at both ends of the spectrum (Honors Grad to Drop-Out) and unfortunately
1 of them BEHAVED JUST LIKE THIS KID. He ended up being a HS drop-out who cared
less about what impact he left in his wake. This kid doesn't care and should be
Well, apparently the moderator at DN is ok with me honoring Y ask Y, Bronz, and
Stilljustaguy's right to voice their opinion, but I can't voice my opinion as to
why I think they are wrong! Or maybe it is because I called this kid a
"brat".I apologize! He is not a "brat" but
rather a unguided youth who goes around disrupting class, making it so students
who want to learn can't, refusing to adhere to accepted norms of behavior, and
not shutting up when asked to by someone in authority!I apologize!
Perhaps I was in the wrong to infere that he was the one who caused this problem
in the beginning. I should never have inferred that if he had been tought how
to behave properly, this problem would never have reared its ugly head.I apologize! Even though I did not use abusive, offensive language, was
on-topic, did not misrepresent and did not use escessive caps--apparently I did
not play nice enough with the people involved and was not politically corrent in
what I said. The facts, though, speak for themselves, the kid was in the wrong!
Kids will sometimes be "unruly". That is no excuse for an adult to
violate the law. If this coach lacked enough training and self-control that he
couldn't be the adult, and behave professionally, then he does not deserve to be
a coach or a teacher. We expect more from these "good men" than
that.Violence is not the answer. Short of self-defense, this coach
had no business being violent with this student.If the coach does
not take personal responsibility for his bad behavior, and pay the price, suffer
the consequences, then he is not the man of character and integrity everyone is
claiming him to be. And he is setting a horrible example for the students he
claims to be trying to teach.If adults want children to grow up and
be people of integrity, we must set the example.Coach, I call on you
to take responsibility for your actions. Don't try to minimize what you have
done, or blame your actions on this "kid", or excuse yourself.Practice what you preach and take responsibility.
Y ask YCoach North is remorseful and regrets his decision and will
not try to avoid responsibility but search for a fair consequence. My problem with this whole situation is that the kid was not injured and I
don't believe he would have had any lasting issues if this was resolved in a
different way. He wasn't going to be traumatized by this event but now he may
be. Coach North may lose his job or go to jail for this incident and that will
affect the rest of his life, career and family. Because of the outrage caused,
this boy will be hated and disliked by students and unfortunately a community. I
feel bad that the boy got caught up in this but a little incident that should
have just been handled by the school administration has been blown out of
proportion and now everybody loses. Its a shame.
Y ask YSo you have never lost your cool? Ever? Only when you lost
your cool, maybe no one saw. And it certainly did not end up on deseret news.
I guarantee everyone of us have done something worse than what Coach North just
did. And as I said before I know Coach North, and he is not a bad guy, he does
not have anger issues. He made a mistake, that has gotten blown way out of
proportion. I know all the details of this story and I know Coach North. These
days teachers take all sorts of garbage from students, and risk getting in
trouble for looking at a kid wrong. I am surprised teachers continue to be
teachers, I know I never would. I don't think I will ever even let my kids have
sleepovers when they get older, because if they trip on a stair, or get hurt
playing, I'll probably end up on deseret news or getting sued. I am behind
Steve North 100%! My prayers are with you coach.
Y Ask Y - are you serious?
Its sad to see that our children have so much power that it is completely
acceptable for them to be continually disrespectful to teachers. There seem to
be no boundaries for rudeness, vulgarity, and basic disrespect for others.
Common courtesy is a thing of the past. I am sad to think about the future of
our country when there is tolerance and acceptance of disrespect.
I made the drive over to Heber this morning to witness the student
demonstration. It was an awesome showing of support for the coach. I think most
of us now know that this incident was far from the "child abuse" label
that was tagged to the story. What troubles me more than anything though, is the
fact that I personally know that real verbal abuse is happening almost daily on
one of Wasatch's other spring sports teams, yet we aren't hearing about it yet.
I believe the players are scared to come forward because they want to play more
innings and the coaches wont' play them more if they say anything. I know for a
fact that the parents had a special meeting last week to discuss what they would
do about it and they decided to wait until after the season to go to the board
with their concerns, problem is, when does verbal abuse turn physical? If I knew
of one of my kids coaches that was verbally abusing one of my kids, I wouldn't
wait for anything, we need to realize that verbal abuse is just that, abuse!
Jazzguru,You wrote: "So you have never lost your cool?
Ever?"I "lose my cool" all the time. But I never
assault another human being.If you have a problem with that, but are
able to confine your assault and abuse to people who will cover it up for you
(such as your family), then I feel sorry for those who have to put up with your
abuse.More importantly, I am not the one being charged with child
abuse and assault.This coach is. They have it on tape. Others have
commented that the Coach has expressed remorse for what he did. He must
recognize he did something wrong.This does not mean he is a
"bad man". Prisons are filled with people who are not "bad
people". But that doesn't mean they didn't break the law at one time or
another.All it takes is one crime to wipe out a good reputation.
Trying to excuse that crime, or cover it up, or minimize it in any way, only
piles deception on tope of crime and makes matters worse.If Coach
has any integrity, he will face the consequences of his abusive actions. Period.
Y Ask Y,Your comments are a joke! Coach should be disciplined, no
one is arguing that but not charged with abuse. There was no injury, no assault.
Period. Trying to receive fairness does not mean he is avoiding consequences.
You don't know the people involved so quit attacking an excellent educator who
has impacted more lives than you could ever dream of doing yourself
Jazz Addict,Research shows that "dumb jocks" often have
difficulty understanding what non-violence looks and feels like. They resort to
more violence in their interpersonal relationships than do others (except law
enforcement).I think the real "joke" is somebody such as
yourself thinking they can replace and supplant a Judge, the 4th District Court,
and the laws of the State.But we shouldn't be surprised that a
"jock" such as yourself doesn't understand nonviolence, and resorts to
personal attacks, like the absurd one you leveled against me. Upon what basis
could you possibly accuse me of not impacting the lives of many people? If you
really knew who I was, I doubt you would make that false judgement.If the DA did not think there was enough evidence (it was caught on camera),
charges would not have been filed. The Coach himself has admitted he did
something wrong. Other than that, let the Judge and his Court decide the
punishment according to the law.But neither you nor hundreds of
demonstrators alter the principles I have espoused. The Coach needs to be
responsible for his actions and accept the consequences.
YaskY, such a pathetic grouping of remarks. Lots of us "dumbjocks" now
own businesses, are productive members our our communities, and are non-violent.
But it sounds like somewhere along the line you weren't asked to be on the team,
or were never athletic, that's ok, but you shouldn't judge those that have these
abilities. I hope you do positively impact peoples lives, it's just by the tone
of your arguments, that would be hard to believe. The video only shows him
shoving the kid, which I agree is by definition, against the rules. To my
knowledge, he didn't admit any wrongdoing, only said he was sorry it had to go
that far. I think those of us who have dealt with unruly teens, know exactly
what he is talking about. I don't care if it's a rule or not, sometimes you have
to physically restrain an unruly person to be able to get their attention and
deal with them. I guess that's why police officers do it huh? It will be dealt
with, he'll be exonerated of bogus charges and we can all go back to loving
How is a teacher supposed to deal with an out-of-line kid like that? "Stop
it! Stop it! If you don't stop it, I'll have to ask you to stop it again! Oh
stop it! ... ". Seriously, the kid probably deserved what he got. I'm not
saying teachers should start beating students if they get out of line, but in
this incident it sounds like the kid crossed the line and the coach's patience
finally wore out after all these months of dealing with him.If this
is how everybody raises their kids, this nation is in BIG trouble. Thank
goodness there is some responsibility still out there.
Y of Y Come down off your high horse. You asked earlier "what is this
world coming to?" The answer is... two or three generations now of lack of
discipline and no respect for authority espoused by people claiming that a
philosophy like yours is right. I believe the Proverb "spare the rod and
spoil the child" is abundantly and evidently seen to be true by the results
of dis-allowing corporal punishment in our American classrooms.
Who said I was a jock. What if I happen to like Jazz Music. Looks like you are
full of assumptions. Coach did not assault him either. The problem with these
comment boards is that no one puts their name on them. The internet is a mask
where Joe Cool can sit behind a screen and run his mouth. I put my name on my
comment, in the first comment I made. Also, I am not saying coach should not be
disciplined, but child abuse? Give me a break. Maybe a suspension, but not
anything that would cause him to lose his job or go to jail. What is the world
When the video is shown it will show the truth. Not until then will proof come
of what 'truly' happened. Its not about the red/black game. Teachers are not
paid what they are worth. There are teachers who take things too far and those
who keep their cool and take control of a situation instead of having a
situation control them! There are always kids who are disrespectful to others.
Who knows what it was like for the coach or the student who experienced that
day? Anger is what got us here in the first place. No matter what our opinions
are we need to remember, we didn't experience it, we need not pretend we 'know'
what really went on!
Coach North is awesome and he is one of the best coaches in 3A. He going
through another trial which he is going to overcome. He'll be fine. And did
you know that the kid didn't even report it. A kid was talking about it and
one of the teachers overheard him and reported it. So thats saying a lot if the
kid didn't even report it. So Y ask Y you need to get the right information.
I'm not sure why anyone is saying Y ask Y get the information right? Y ask Y is
stating an opinion. We all have one or else we wouldn't be wasting our time
here! Lets wait a few weeks and see what the video tape shows! The truth will
come out and I'm sure there are going to be many surprised people who have
shared their opinion about the subject!
Seriously? I had Coach North for three years straight as my PE coach as well as
my Driver's Ed instructor. Sure he seems a bit rough around the edges, but he's
gotta be in order to deal with the stupid kids acting up in class. PE classes
are known for being the most rambunctious, but they're getting ridiculous.I graduated in 2007 from WHS so it hasn't been that long. But I like to
think of myself as a very "realistic" sort of guy and in my opinion:
If North grabbed the kid, or pushed him, or "hit him with a hockey
stick" as one News station alleged, the kid definitely deserved it. Heck, I
wish he would've "hit" a few kids from my classes! Kids have no
respect these days at all, and it's not just a local problem. Spend a few
minutes in a residential estate in England and you'll see what I mean. None.
Zip. Zilch. Nada. Nil. Nought. I vote in favor Corporal Punishment!