Comments about ‘Utah Legislature increases inspections of abortion clinics’

"Why do we want to hassle these clinics who are providing health care to women?"

aborting viable fetuses is not providing health care. I guess the dems would rather we have another philly abortion mill

I have no problem with frequent surprise inspections -- I think they should occur. However, I think they should be imposed on ALL medical care clinics. I see no reason to target clinics where abortions are performed, and exclude all others.

As it stands, this law is not about ensuring proper standards of medical care. It is clearly and solely about playing politics with women's health and reproductive issues. That's not equitable or fair.

Best solution to avoid "hassling" the clinics is to shut them down and stop the killing.

Good to know that clinics that provide abortions in Utah will be required to live up to higher standards for inspections than any other clinics that don't provide abortions. I'm sure the majority of Utahn's attend clinics that provide abortions, so clearly the majority of Utahn's will now attend better-inspected clinics for their health care.

It's sad how far back into the stone-age this Legislature continues to take Utah. That's what happens when you have a puppet in the Governor's office, who isn't qualified/educated enough to run a hot-dog stand, let alone a state. The inmates like Wimmer and Buttars that Huntsman held back and was able to move Utah ahead in spite of, are now running the asylum.

Furry,

do you HONESTLY think an insta-care or similar clinic where at most they give a shot or two or stitch up a cut requires as much supervision as a place where they conduct elective, invasive surgical procedures that result in the destruction of a human being? REALLY????

That's like saying a kindergarten counting class needs the supervision of PhD in advanced mathematics.

'aborting viable fetuses is not providing health care.' - lost in DC | 5:36 a.m.

And you would know, why?

Are you a doctor?

Are you the mother?

Are you pregnant?

If the answer is 'no' to these, then YOU have zero vested interest in this person's life.

You are not the father, mother, doctor, anything. You are a third party trying to dicatate what happens inside the womans body.

I have said this before, if we can legislate to FORCE a woman to have a child from rape or incest...

then get in line.

Over 100,000 Americans need an organ transplant, right now. The logic is similar. Both are evident, morally sound, and popular by the public.

The difference?

It involves YOUR body instead of someone elses.

Suddenly, many take issue with that.

To lost in DC | 8:14 a.m. March 10, 2011

One problem with your question -- first trimester pregnancy termination (the time when most pregnancy terminations occur) doesn't destroy a human being. Why? Because the spirit (the humal being) hasn't joined the body at that point. The fetus is merely the vehicle-in-construction that will house the human being when there has been a birth, and the human being signifies his/her acceptance of the body in which s/he will live his/her life by taking a breath. (By the way, that is the standard my church uses both to determine the appropriateness of a pregnancy termination and to define a living being who is then eligible for my church's saving ordinances).

Personally, I do not believe that pregnancy termination is appropriate except to preserve the life or health of the pregnant woman, if the pregnancy resulted from rape or incest, or if there is a fatal fetal deformity. BUT I am not willing to impose my belief on someone else who may believe differently -- I happen to believe in free agency.

The analogy at the end of your comment is not well founded.

its a waiste of money. almost no one in the general population even knows anyone thats had one. check out hte stats. this is a silly far right act to get god fearing people on their side.

Furry,

YOU know when the spirit enters the body?? Really??

Are you maintaining these abortion mills only preform 1st trimester abortions? Really? Trully???

Your call for the same level of scrutiny at ALL clinics is not well founded. You did not give ANY justifcation for the same level of scrutiny at clinics that don't perform invasive surgeries.

Pagan,
You don't need a post graduate degree to know that destroying life is not providing health care. And when did I say I was in favor of forcing a rape or incest victim to have the child?? All I said was there is greater opportunity for abuse in abortion mills than in insta-cares.

And pagan,
What degrees and certifications do YOU have to say what is and is not health care??? Are YOU the pregnant woman? Are you the father, the mother, the doctor, or any of those things you inquired of me? If not, then YOU are just a third person sticking your nose in because you happen to disagree with me, and since you cannot refute what I say, you only say I have no right to say it.

To lost in DC | 12:09 p.m.

I follow my church's guidelines.

The clinics aren't "abortion mills". Abortion mills are the back-alley operations that existed when I reached adulthood in the late 1960s. The health care clinics discussed here are a very different thing.

Second and third trimester pregnancy terminations, are almost entirely done because of health issues for the pregnant woman or fatal fetal deformities. NOI elective surgeries.

What do YOU think happens to the spirits that (apparently according to your arguments) you appear to believe attach or come into being at conception -- let's face it, the presence of a spirit is the ONLY way anything can be considered human life before or after birth. Approximately a third to a half of fertilized eggs don't implant, and therefore don't start a pregnancy. Another quarter of pregnancies self-terminate in the first trimester of gestation. What happens to THOSE spirits?

Yes, I call for the same level of scrutiny. ANY clinic is capable of unsanitary conditions, and they should ALL have to prove they comply (and I'm not just talking about InstaCares -- I'm talking also about hospitals, emergency rooms, etc.).

But we have money for this?

well you know Utah's responsive republican majority is all about a more accountable government HB477 further limiting public ability to hold their government accountable and SB165 restricting the publics right to engage in the democratic process and about getting out of our life, increased inspections of abortion clinics, laws further restricting alcohol, laws intended to micro manage schools etc.. etc..... All this as they try to convince people that we are a republic (also read, we smart people should make the decisions not you) and attempt to dumb down the population with arguments that people really dont need to finish high school, funding cuts for schools and attempts to throw up road blocks to higher education. It seems each year Utah inches further away from having a government for, by and of the people to a government for, by and of those in office that will take care of the poorly little masses that need them to think for them.