Serenity: I attended a showing of The God Makers. After the film the minister
went up to his pulpit and said some more lies about the Mormons. Then he asked
if there were any questions. I raised my hand and said that I was disturbed
that people who call themselves Christian would be involved in something so
distorted and unchristian as this film was. I didn't know that I was the only
Mormon in the room but there was a real uproar and shouting at me. The minister
quieted them down and then asked me what I didn't agree with so I started to
explain some of the unfair distortions and outright lies. The people
respectfully listened. But when the minister saw that I was making sense and
that his film was being exposed for what it really was, he came down from his
pulpit, livid with rage he shook his Bible in my face and screamed at me to
leave. I left. Personally, I think that anyone that believes anti Mormon
literature must have received a very poor education.
Having been raised in the south and having friends from a variety of faiths, we
got along well and even talked about our faithsand we were able to get along
(and still do with many old friends). One said that he had heard that Mormons
had horns and asked if he could feel mine. We joked about it and he told me he
knew I didn't have horns.We still have different beliefs but we love
and respect each other as individuals. There are those who I would trust with my
life sooner than I would some of my neighbors here. Most of my neighbors are
great people too.If we can master the ability to get along with our
family, or neighbors, those in our community, those in our State, those of other
religious or political views, I think it will be a better world. That doesn't
say we whave to agree with everything, but it does mean to treat each other with
respect & to be civil. We won't have to worry about being stabbed in the
back.There are great people everwhere - we should work together to
accomplish goo things together.
The sum of the total seems to indicate that organized religions are more about
money and politics than God and love of ones neigbor. Corporate churches should
be taxed the same as other corporations and stayed from public government
In a nutshell - If a person asks what a Mormon/LDS believes give them a pass
along card with the 12 Articles of Faith on it. Any questions after that they
Of course there is diffrences in doctrine with people not of the faith. If they
were the same why would there be reason to join the LDS Church. We have
something better to offer.No one is asked to forfeit the truths they
learned in other churches. Do have things other churches don't. Otherwise no
reason to do missionary work. Will pray with anyone willing to pray and help in
community betterment.NO reason to find similarities when we want not
antagonists but converts.
brokenclay: There is a logical fallacy threading its way through these comments.
Me: I think your post at 11:20am follow that trend as well.brokenclay: ..Mormon salvation is a works-based righteousness. They believe in
baptismal regeneration, rather than justification by faith. Me: You
don't understand Mormon salvation then. Nobody can be saved without faith in
Jesus Christ.brokenclay: Evangelical thought is starting to make
in-roads into the LDS ChurchMe: Care to provide a few examples?brokenclay: The best LDS scholarship don't (sic) match even mediocre
evangelical scholarshipMe: Evangelicals Carl Mosser and Paul Owen,
authors of "Mormon Scholarship, Apologetics, and Evangelical Neglect:
Losing the Battle and Not Knowing It", would disagree with you. One quote
from their paper: "Our fourth conclusion is that at the academic level
evangelicals are losing the debate with the Mormons. We are losing the battle
and do not know it. In recent years the sophistication and erudition of LDS
apologetics has risen considerably while evangelical responses have not".
You may be one of those evangelicals who "does not know it".Cheers.
If faith's are willing to put aside theological differences in order to
consolidate efforts to promote political agenda's - aren't they just becoming
political machines? If so, perhaps the wealth accumulating organizations behind
the various CEO's ought to become taxable entities. It stands to reason that if
they want to promote the conservative agenda, and they are willing to
consolidate a base, they no longer need the tax base for feeding the poor. I
mean, if CEO's of religion are gathering (wage earners) and not for the purpose
of setting up a charity, should their activities still be seen as exemptions?I don't think so - but of course, all religion will have say is that
they are politicizing over "moral" issues, and they'll get a pass.
From their, just spin all political issues as moral issues, and there you go.
Brokenclaygive me a break you and Donn sound like broken records reapating
the same tired argumentsThere is one and only one Jeusu that lived on this
earthI guess we both beleive in the same Jesus then
Jantet,said contention is not of the Lord."But,Beloved, when I gave
all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me
to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly CONTEND for the faith
which was 'once delivered' unto the saints.(Jude 3)
Janet- you are so right. I remember an Ensign article a number of years ago that
said where you end up after this life doesn't depend as much on where your
church membership is, as where your heart is. And Brokenclay- Hugh Nibley,
Mormon scholarship at its finest. And secondly, one of the reasons you don't see
Mormon's going toe to toe with Evangelicals isn't because they can't, its
because they won't. Just as Janet said, contention isn't of the Lord, so we are
counseled not to argue about religion. After all- a man convinced against his
will is of the same opinion still.
Remember that fictional tale of the three men who have an afterlife interview?
Each goes in separately, and the interviewer asks them to tell him about Jesus.
Each of the first two gives a short doctrinal dissertation, but the third comes
in and falls at the interviewer's feet, recognizing Him immediately. I know
there are LDS, evangelicals, Catholics, and many others who will know Him when
they meet Him, and there are LDS, evangelicals, Catholics, and many others who
wouldn't recognize Him. Anyone can feel and reflect Christ's love; anyone can be
ignorant and stiffnecked and cause hurt and contention. Contention is not of the
@brokenclay"There are major LDS leaders who are rethinking the truth
of Mormonism because of this."Like who?"The best LDS
scholarship don't match even mediocre evangelical scholarship."That's
a good one.I'm LDS and I believe in the same Jesus that is on the
New Testament. I didn't know there was another.
re: RanchHand | 6:44 a.m. March 10, 2011 Very observant and spot
on.re: RanchHand | 6:52 a.m. March 10, 2011 I can't
recall the exact quote. But, it goes something like, "Religion is what to
believe and morals are what to do."
To brokenclay: Your comments are wrong. The Church's leadership is stronger
now than it has ever been. The First Presidency and Quroum of the Twelve are
united in all they do. You really should listen to them when they speak at
General Conference or at many of the Devotionals. They are united in thought
and mind. Even the Quroums of the Seventy are united with the 15 men who
constitute the First Presidency and Quroum of the Twelve. To say otherwise as
you have is totally misleading and wrong.The thing is that the Jesus
that the LDS Church teaches is the same as the mainline Christian churches
teach. The problem is many of the critics fail to understand this. The only
person on earth who has the right to speak for the LDS Church as a whole is
Thomas S Monson. This has never changed nor is it even considered to be
wrong.You cite information without giving sources so that means it
is a secondary source that probably has no knowledge of it. The Leader that
will probably meet with the other denominations will be a member of the First
Presidency or the Twelve or both.
brokenclay, seriously? My Jesus is different from your Jesus? What an arrogant
comment! YOu know who can best answer that do you? Ask Jesus! Why are you
speaking for Jesus? Did he give you the permission or authority to speak for
him and who he is?
There is a logical fallacy threading its way through these comments. Just
because both evangelicals and Mormons say they follow a figure who has the name
Jesus Christ doesn't mean it's the same person. My Jesus is fundamentally
different from the Mormon Jesus; to say they are the same is to misrepresent my
beliefs. The bottom line is that Mormons are polytheists (they worship more than
one god) and orthodox Christians are strict monotheists. In this sense, we are
more alike to Muslims than Mormons.The next fundamental difference
is that Mormon salvation is a works-based righteousness. They believe in
baptismal regeneration, rather than justification by faith. These are core
doctrines, not peripheral.The NAE is reaching out to Mormons not in
order to recognize that they are legitimate Christians, but in order to gain
opportunity to share our Christ with them. Evangelical thought is starting to
make in-roads into the LDS Church. There are major LDS leaders who are
rethinking the truth of Mormonism because of this. Orthodox Christianity is much
more intellectually coherent and defensible. The best LDS scholarship don't
match even mediocre evangelical scholarship. This is not without effect.
To: Gentile | 7:00 a.m. March 9, 2011 What you consider core to the
Mormon faith, and what Mormons consider core to the Mormon faith, are apparently
very different.The true core of Mormonism is Faith in the Lord Jesus
Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of
sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost. Temple
ordinances do not come into relevance until after our Savior Jesus Christ and
his atoning sacrifice are firmly established as the cornerstone of the new
convert's spiritual foundation.
Iggle:Is this anti democrat? Catholics commonly make a sacrifice or give
something up during Lent. What if we decided to extend our Lenten sacrifice
until abortion ends? What if we never ate another candy bar or drank another
Coke until abortion ends in America? This is an issue Mormons should agree
Oh this is a very touchy subject. A few years ago, my daughter asked me if she
could attend another church with her friend one Sunday. I told her yes, and that
I would drop her off. When, we got there a few minutes late, my daughter asked
me to walk in with her because she didn't know if she could find her friend.
The church was filled to capacity so we stayed in the back. They were playing a
movie. I was horrified at the content of that movie "The God makers"
which was full of lies, prejudice, and misrepresentation of the LDS Church. It
seems on that Sunday every church in all the towns within a huge area was
showing that movie. After that Sunday, you could feel the animosity against the
LDS faith. It was as if the air were thick with hate. Our missionaries were
threatened and had to be pulled out of this area. At work, the next day, people
looked at me like I had two heads. I still don't understand why this package of
lies and hate was sanctioned or presented.
MoJules | 10:50 p.m. March 8, 2011 Florissant, MO More then
ever those with good moral values and a belief in the Constitution and that this
nation needs not be changed, this will only happen if we are unified.--------------MoJules;What an absolutely arrogant
comment. As a gay man, my morals are every bit as good as yours.
The "religious" are not the only people with morals. If it were not
so, then why are so many "religious" people so often being found to be
"immoral"? Examples: Kevin Garn, Ted Haggart, Jimmy Swaggart, Jim
Bakker, Eddie Long, and the list goes on.Additionally, we Love the
Constitution every bit as much as you do.
Parkercoug | 9:43 p.m. March 8, 2011 Parker, CO My oldest daughter
came home in tears from middle school when her best friend, a Baptist, told her
she learned in church that my daughter as a Mormon was not a Christian. She and
her friend had very much in common. They both believed in Christ, held high
standards and were a natural fit. But from that point on their relationship was
strained. Her friend starting treating my daughter as if she were superior. If
the evangelicals keep on preaching to their congregations that Mormons are not
Christian, then the relationship between the groups will always be strained. ---------------------------------Let's turn that around just
a wee bit. If Mormons keep preaching that they're the One and Only true church,
relations between the groups will always be strained.
"Chief executive officers of 40 denominations ..."That
about says it all about organized religion, doesn't it!
donn, I've been on that Catholic Answers site, and they consider Democrats
non-Christian, too. Really, your point?
donn do you know how many times you have made that exact comment? LotsWhat
is the point?
johnhenry: Evangelical Christian Churches considers Mormonism,Jehovah's
Witnesses and Christian Science cults. Catholic answers considers Mormonism a
Until the leadership of the Evangelical denominations comes out, loudly and
clearly, that it is fundamentally wrong for their congregations to distribute
such offensive items as the "Godmakers" movies, which are
intentionally offensive and intentionally dishonest, and other such literature
about us, I see no reason for understanding of the differences. I know one
similarity is that both we and the Evangelicals preach the Ten Commandments.
Take a wild guess as to which group's leadership I believe practice those.
re: Parkercoug | 9:43 p.m. March 8, 2011Here is the perfect retort for
your daughter; Just ask an Evangelical about Snake handling? re: New
Yorker | 10:45 p.m. March 8, 2011Its not so much logic as Syntax &
diction. re: The Vanka | 9:49 a.m. March 9, 2011There is far
too much socio-economic bias in Zion. East Side of the SL Valley v West Side,
Wastch front v rural Utah, & my favorite wards in middle class area where
there are older houses and newer developments with McMansions.
Diamondladi, I don't think Holger was trying to prove the truthfulness of the
church so much as he was trying to show that Evengelicals are not the only ones
who claim their religion to be backed up by the Bible. Evangelicals are always
saying, "The Bible says..." as if we didn't know what the Bible says.
It's kind of irritating. Just because we have a different understanding of what
the Bible means, does not mean that we don't read it, or try to live by it. So,
I think it is entirely appropriate for us Mormons to point out what the Bible
says to people that are frequently doing the same thing to us. I think that
sometimes we Mormons emphasize a confirmation by the Holy Ghost so much, that we
actually gloss over the fact that our faith actually has a very compelling
scriptural basis, which when looked at honestly and sincerely, has invited an
even more compelling witness from the Holy Spirit. I realize that Bible-bashing
gets us nowhere, but maybe there are some Evangelicals who wouldn't question our
Christianity so much if they heard us quoting the Bible more.
Are they going to make sure Huckabee and Mitt act semi-christian in the upcoming
bid for the 2012 GOP nomination?
Ok, one last comment by me, being a Mormon, if I had to choose between Obama and
Huckabee, I would choose Huckabee without hesitation, in spite of his comment
about Mormons. When it comes to governing this nation, I am not going to let
silly differences stop me from voting for a person who I could trust to lead
this nation. Oh and if it was Huckabee and Harry Reid, I would vote for
Huckabee, wow, I would not vote for a Mormon, go figure, Reid does not share my
Holger- I am an east coast convert. I'm fine being called lds or Mormon. I
doubt that the leaders of our church who will be meeting with the Evangelicals
will be quoting to them the scriptures you sited "proving" the
truthfulness of the church. I sure hope not! I've gotten along fine with many
many Evangelicals in the 30 years I've been a member. We share many beliefs in
common, such as a love for the Savior, the belief in prayer, a desire to serve
God and help others. I've only had a problem with people who's leaders have
preached against Mormons. Latter-day saints aren't immune to this
either. I'm confident in what the General Authorities of the church have said
about this, but unfortunately there may have been individual local leaders
who've steered people wrong and individual members who mistake Pride for truth.
As far as Romney being picked if the Lord wants him, agency and
democracy means we pick who reflects our values and thereby commend or condemn
ourselves- The Book of Mormon shows us that.
For several years we lived in the deep south where I served not only as a local
LDS leader but also was known as a local civic leader. As such I was able to
serve on the regional "Ministerial Council" with other religious
leaders. A few Baptist ministers were not happy with me serving on the council
but most welcomed me. We worked on many local problems, with the poor and needy
and on moral community issues. With my LDS ties I was able to help with getting
food and clothing for the needy and for emergency situation. When community
projects came up I was able to tap our LDS membership for help.The
bottom line is that it can work when we work together. At times I was even asked
to speak to other congregations on moral (non-religious) topics. My biggest
challenge was speaking to evangelical black congregations. Not because of
religious differences but because of presentation/delivery differences. We,
Mormons, are just boring in comparison.Those ministers that objected
to my membership on the council still did so when I moved out of the area. Some
never change. The others gave me a "Thank You" plaque.
My experience is, that the only tension between the Evangelicals and the members
of the LDS Church mostly come from the side of the Evangelicals. Most members
of the LDS Church could care less what the Evangelicals think, other than those
like myself get urked about their outright lies when it concerns what members of
the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes.I feel that
they need to spend more time tending to their flocks and quit freaking out about
@ The VankaTrust me dear, it cuts both ways. Having raised my
bright, out-going, athletic, and "good" children in the midwest, they
were steeled by ostracism and rejection they received from their Baptist and
Lutheran neighbors. My oldest daughter's best friend was not allowed to come to
our house until the night of her high school graduation reception when we were
proud to welcome her and her evangelical father into our foyer dominated by a
beautiful framed picture of the Savior. We lingered there in the foyer for a
few minutes allowing the father to bask in the spirit of our Christ-centered
home. Not certain that he got the message-probably still too overburdened with
years of anti-Mormon literature and seminars.Although evangelical
Christians and LDS Christians are far closer than they might imagine, it is
primarily a matter of semantics and misconceptions. Unfortunately this will
probably never change, as long as we our a threat to their livlihoods by
plucking the best and brightest out of their congregations (and offering plates)
and converting them to Mormonism.
Vanka, you know it is funny, when I read Parkercoug's story, I felt bad for her
daughter, but when I read yours, I felt angry, I felt anger to fellow Mormon's
to act this way. I am not a member of another church, so I can only feel bad
when they tell me I am not a Christian, and that is the most hurtful thing a
person can say to me, because I love my Savior and am grateful for His Atoning
Sacrifice and Resurrection. I am grateful for His teachings and example. But
as a Mormon, I know what we are taught and I know that never over the pulpit is
another religion put down. I know that we are taught to stay away from people
with values that are contrary to ours, such as drug use, and behaviors that
would cause us to break commandments, but not because of religious differences.
That was a pious self righteous Mormon and I as a Mormon apologize for the
shallow treatment from a member of my church. So, can we all get along and work
together, united were are going to be stronger, and this isn't about politics
I went from Methodist to Mormon, NO, not correct. Member of The Church of Jesus
Christ of latter day saints. Understand Mormon comes from the Book of Mormon so
named because the record (Stick of Joseph in Ezekiel 37:15-20) was abridged by
the Prophet Mormon as per the Lord's instructions. The LDS Church in fact was
restored by Heavenly Messengers. It is not Joseph Smith's church or Mormon's
church but is the original Church of Jesus Christ restored. See, Matthew
17:11-13 Revelations 14:6-7 Hebrews 13:8 we see Jesus is the same past, present
and future. Another point to understand is that in 3 places are the true
followers of Christ refered to by the Lord in the KJV of the Bible as
Christians, but Saints, thus Latter Day Saints. Jesus did not receive a salary
neither do we in His Church today,See John 10:11-14 That poses a problem for
those who wish to profit by preaching. If the Lord wants Romney to be President
He will be. I think this meeting may help if Evangelicals will humble them
selves. If not The Lord may do it.
Oh the convenience of it all.
After attending our LDS meetings, my evangelical relatives and friends often
leave confused, saying: "I felt like I was in a Baptist (etc.) meeting,
what's all the fuss about?!" They say this because our
religions have so much in common, and they realize that we worship the same
Jesus Christ of the Bible that they worship.I think we are much like
the children of parents who object to the persons their children are considering
as partners in life; who may not be a perfect match, but who are much alike, and
with whom they could accomplish many good and great things. Yet, the
parents, having been previously prejudiced by what someone they respect has said
about that person, fail to see how much alike the two are, or acknowledge the
many great things they could accomplish together.Just think of how
much all Christian religions could accomplish, working together for Christ's
purposes, rather than spend so much of our strength and effort trying to defend
ourselves against the other.
Parkercoug,Your daughter's story is touching.My daughter
is LDS. Here is her story:My daughter came home in tears from Junior
High School when her best friend, an "active" LDS from a prominent
family, told her she learned in church that she must choose her friends
carefully. My daughter was told that, because her father is not LDS, and does
not share the same "values" and "beliefs", she could not be
friends with my daughter anymore.This "active", LDS
former-friend starting treating my daughter as an inferior person.This has happened several times.Mormons need to eliminate the
horrible self-righteousness and judgmentalism across the board, and within its
own ranks. How they relate to evangelicals should be the least of their
worries. You can't even treat your own people with respect and dignity!
It's always good to meet together and look at each other face to face. I hope
we figure out a way to do it more often. Seems like Evangelicals and Mormons
have more in common than most people in the world, and on topics of cultural
significance there's not a whole lot of difference at all.
If the evangelical is coming for supporting Mike then that is the wrong
approach.Ignorance is the big mistake of the side of evangelical. Mike is
trying to attach Mitt for 2008 and that is wrong as a politician. I support Mitt
Romney for 120% for 2012. We need to look at if the person can solve the
problems of America but not if he speaks Chinese or not. As a Japanese citizen,
Mitt does the greatest job and he proved in many way. And he will probably good
for Japan which we are shifting from Democrat to Conservative in April, 2011.
Mitt is the one! Go Mitt!
Focus on similarities not differences! I would personally recommend
teaching our children this principle as soon as possible. Children
are always the first ones to innocently point out differences that can possibly
hurt relatationships and they do get this trait from somewhere. But where?
Perhaps there is one underlying aspect few have thought of: Each time an
evangelical is baptized a minister and congregation loses that person's
offerings.One of the roots of disapproval may well be economic.
To Parkercoug and others: you obviously have missed the point again.
Christians do not participate in what Mormons consider core to the Mormon faith.
Baptism for the dead, the understanding of God, etc. Secret temple rites. So
many differences that my state supported library, the state repository for fed
and state records, etc., has many books on cults and there is the Mormon
Religion, front and center in each book. The evangelicals that are coming to
Utah will not change their Christian core because they have visited SLC, etc.
Instead, it will reaffirm who they are and what they stand for. You watch and
see.Romney cannot get the nomination nor election in 2012. It will
get very nasty over the next 4 months as Huckabee does his act, and Newt tries
to get to the podium again and again. Who will rep. the GOP in 2012? I don't
know, but not one of the present candidates, they are all too small. Obama is
definitely the odds on favorite for re-election in 12.
I think this will be a good thing. Any chance to work together I think helps
each to better understand one other. With understanding then maybe each will
treat one another better. I agree that almost anything that will unite this
country will strengthen it.
There simply needs to be a little greater understanding in the use of words.
There are certain doctrinal differences that are not going away. But how those
differences are described could be tempered a bit on both sides.Culturally, socially, and politically (as well as doctrinally), Evangelicals
and Mormons have far more in common than they do that which divides them.It would help if Mormons could learn to be less offended when someone
claims they are not "Christian". Depends on whose definition of
"Christian" get used and the old joke about who is a yank comes to
mind. I freely admit that If someone defines "Christian" as accepting
certain portions of the Nicean creed that I and my beliefs do not fit that
definition. Of course, I think that definition is artificially narrow.OTOH, it would help if Evangelicals could find someway to express doctrinal
differences without cutting to the very core of LDS identity as worshiping Jesus
Christ as the son of God, Messiah, and Savior.Both sides need to
learn a little vernacular used by the other. Whether it is "Holy
Spirit" or "Holy Ghost", for example, the ideas are very similar.
Huckabee really hurt my feelings as a Mormon when he made his comments. And I
have been hurt over and over, being told by the Evangelicals that I am not a
Christian, but go figure, we have the same pictures of Christ in our homes. It
is time that we stop attacks and agree to disagree for the sake of this nation.
More then ever those with good moral values and a belief in the Constitution and
that this nation needs not be changed, this will only happen if we are unified.
I use to take care of a lady from another religion, their church had published a
book called "Ten Things to Ask a Mormon". I have a child that left
the Mormon church, I told her to go to another Christian church, but she became
an atheist, that was very hard to take, but thank heavens we can agree to
disagree. Many times when pondering doing something that may be right or wrong,
we would say, "what would Christ do?" So for all those who dislike
the Mormons, what would Christ do?
"have fewer differences than commonalities" Is that Greek logic,
Demosthenes? :-)The difference in beliefs is fundamental, as between
most major religions. However, there is no reason to be disrespectful of one
another. A preponderance of Evangelicals call Catholics, Mormons, and others
"cults" with the negative inference and connotation that Evangelicals
are not a "cult," but something better. The problem is not the
difference in beliefs, it's a matter of some not respecting the religious
beliefs of others. This gap should be able to be bridged by leadership of all
world religions, including the Muslims. Then after it is bridged at the
leadership level, the leaders should continuously preach respect until the
message reaches every disciple.The devoutly religious of all faiths
have much more in common with each other than with those who know not God. It's
in our common interest to support one another against the rise of atheism and
the political institutionalization of atheism. Humanity will vote amongst the
various beliefs with their feet and with their tithing, but let's do it all
The religious divide between LDS and Evangelicals clearly needs to be mended.
The most important reason being, outside of neighborly kindness and acceptance,
is for the two factions to come together to fight against the leftist agenda of
the present administration in D.C.The 2 big voting blocks of our country,
"Mormon Corridor" of the Rockies cannot vote for another Huckabee, or
any of great Evangelical plant, just as much as the "Evangelical
South" cannot vote for a Mormon. This divide and conquering of both parts
is encouraged by the Democrats and the left-leaning media. Now, what are
supposed to do? Let it happen again? Be left with Obama again?For the sake
of our great nation and its future, we need a compromise.Maybe Mormon Mitt
for President, with a Southern Baptist for VP, in the likes of perhaps a Jim
DeMint of South Carolina, or equivalent?It may be in the making. Please,
for the sake of our children's future, let's get together.
I've never understood the tension between Evangelicals and Mormons. It's not
unusual when I hear their objections to Mormonism that some of their information
is inaccurate. Perhaps this meeting will help heal the divide.The
two groups have fewer differences than commonalities.
My oldest daughter came home in tears from middle school when her best friend, a
Baptist, told her she learned in church that my daughter as a Mormon was not a
Christian. She and her friend had very much in common. They both believed in
Christ, held high standards and were a natural fit. But from that point on
their relationship was strained. Her friend starting treating my daughter as if
she were superior. If the evangelicals keep on preaching to their congregations
that Mormons are not Christian, then the relationship between the groups will
always be strained.