Re: "Children, activists urge governor to veto Utah illegal immigrations
bills"Actual voters, on the other hand, in overwhelming
numbers, urge the Governor to listen to the voice of the people and sign the
enforcement bill.I guess we'll see -- and remember -- who has our
"He contends those committing felonies such as gang members and drug
dealers who haven't been convicted to obtain guest worker permits."Do we really want these kinds of people in our country at all? Opponents
of these bills talk a big talk, but have they ever had any experience with these
people? Why would you want someone COMMITTING FELONIES and those who are GANG
MEMBERS and DRUG DEALERS here at all? They should be deported instantly if they
are found doing ANY of these acts!
It is a shame that PARENTS would do anything to place their families and
children at risk.A Democrat sponsored bill to ban smoking in cars
when children are present in the car has passed the legislature to protect
children from second hand smoke. Let too many on both sides of the aisle
continue to act as if bringing children into our nation illegally is not a real
and serious risk. Even living in our nation illegally and then having children
here creates the risk that those children will eventually see one of their
parents removed from the country.I don't like to see families
separated, but when a person commits crimes there is a chance he will be
punished for them and sent to jail. In this case, however, we are
not even talking about punishment. We merely want an end to the lawlessness.
Just go home and wait to come here LEGALLY.That is a compassionate
position. Anything more moves from compassion into complete and total license.
I agree with the kids, send them with their parents home to the country their
parent are citizens in. When the kids born here are adults they can come back.
It sure seems the legal residents and citizens dont count for alot in UT so
maybe its time you exercised your rights including the one to recall if Herbert
is not going to listen to the people of UT and do right by you. That
would also apply to the AG since its very odd that an AG is going out of his way
to try to do something to help a bill that he already knows is not legal to do
in the first place after what happened to AZ.
I can't help but find it a little pathetic that illegals would send their
children to do their dirty work. What a shameful tactic. In our
modern era where we are getting "compassion" nailed into our brain
without consideration of consequence I have a simple idea. How about illegals
take personal responsibility for their bad choices and stop trying to make those
choices everyone else's problem.
I appreciate the compassion and courage put forth by most of our government
officials, dealing with immigration issues. HB 469, in the contrary lacks any
common sense and accountability. Such bill would make a large number of the
estimated 110,000 illegal aliens currently living in Utah eligible to work and
study in our state. Besides creating a magnet for illegal aliens, there is one
big problem: How are we going to explain this to the estimated 208,000 currently
unemployed Utah residents and their families?
Guv: PLEASE VETO the "guest worker" bill!We already have
100,000 "guest workers" in Utah.ACTUAL Utah citizens need
"a dozen children of undocumented immigrants and several adults"
Say it.....they are ILLEGAL!Why do those that are not
citizens of this State or Country have a voice?My solution is clear.
Demand an end to the Driving Privilege card. Do not give any benefits to those
here illegally. Enforce the laws that are on the books.Why is this
so difficult for those representing us to understand?Why don't the
lawmakers stand up for the citizens that vote for them? Immigration is the issue
that so many wanted addressed. Do the politicians really believe the propaganda
polling of the media? I know that there are many flaws in the way things are,
but do they really believe we will forget in the next election cycle? When things are worse, because of what they are doing now with these poor
watered down jokes of legislation, do they really think we will support them
just because they have an R by there name?
I would like to see a different Utah Compact, one that asks employers to be
honorable and trustworthy in their dealings with their fellow citizens and not
hire workers who are not legally eligible to work in this country. Honesty -
how refreshing would that be? It's my opinion that the present Utah
Compact uses deliberately obfuscatory language by not differentiating between
illegal and legal immigration and therefore I cannot get on board with it. I
personally think Shurtleff is overstepping his bounds. He does not speak for
this Utahan or any other Utahan I know. Although I'm not a member
of the Chamber of Commerce, the Sutherland Institute, the Latino community or
any other special interest group, I am still a "stakeholder." We
honest, hard-working, tax-paying, decent stakeholders deserve better than we're
getting. We're the true victims in all this. We're the ones who are paying the
price for the dishonest actions of others. Where is our representation? Why is
the legislature bending over backward to accommodate those who have broken the
laws (illegal aliens and the employers who knowingly hire them) instead of
Now's your chance! Nab those undocumented that brought in their kids and send
them back to their respective countries.
I live in Southern California and would like to share with the people in Utah
what Illegal immigration has done to this state. We are overwhelmed with Illegal
Immigrants. They are everywhere and their presence has caused a situation which
impacts everyone here. Our schools are severely overcrowded and the quality of
education has dropped dramatically. Crime committed by Illegals including
carjackings,identity theft, hit and run, drug trafficking, murder and assault
has increased tremendously. People who are working in the construction
trades,the service sector,manufacturing and transportation and others have seen
their wages plummet and businesses who employ U.S. citizens suffer while those
who employ Illegals prosper. Illegal Immigration is eroding the tax base here in
California. Illegal Immigrants pay little or no taxes and create enormous social
financial liabilities for our state. Illegal Immigrants drive down wages and
therefor lower tax remittances overall. Illegal Immigration is costing the
California taxpayer BILLIONS every year in lost revenue! I hope and pray that
Utah doesn't become like California because we are in hopeless economic and
rapid social decline. Be careful.
Dear Governor, You have the opportunity to continue to uphold the Constitution
you swore an oath to. You also have a choice in defending law abiding citizens
(aka taxpayers) or you may grant amnesty to those who broke the law, continue to
break laws (identity theft, no driver's licenses, etc, etc) and now want special
benefits and consideration for their previous illegal acts. Choose
Subject: Paradoxical Thought for the Day The federal government
wants all citizens to prove they are insured, butdoes not want anyone to
prove they are citizens.---Ben Stein
Get rid of the illegals and quit wasting tax payer money and giving away
American Citizens jobs. Get rid of the politicians that support illegal activity
and have them investigated for abuse and misuse of their authority and see if
the have profited from this abuse and misuse of authority.
Our Att. Gen, came up to a big scout event a few years ago and gave a wonderful
speech on Camelot and how we need to obey the law. I wish that he could re-read
that for himself. Illegals need to go home and come back legally.
The legislature cleared for the governors consideration HB 497, which contains
some Arizona-style immigration-enforcement provisions. Utah activists tell
NumbersUSA that governor is getting a lot of calls from Illegals and opponents
asking for a veto. The majority of Utah Citizens want this bill passed. Please
go to NumbersUSA and send your free fax. We can't afford the Illegals to make
our Immigration policy. Let's make sure the Governor hears what we the people
There's nothing more despicable in my eyes than adults using children as
they are using their kids to get what they want...
So No to BO:There is one more despicable...those who demand the tax
dollars of US citizens for the benefit of those here illegally.It's
all a power grab for the activists. I'm not sure they really care, they just
want the power.
@ Carson 6:35No! The majority of Utah citizens do not want this do
nothing, watered down, ILLEGAL refuge piece of legislation passed into law by
the Gov.We want:*Laws enforced*No benefits
for those that break the law*A State that is not a magnet for those
that do break the law*Our Lawmakers to listen, and do the will of
the law abiding citizens of this State, not pander to illegals and
special interest groups This is ONE area I agree with the ILLEGALS
..... VETO this bill!
I agree that this bill should be vetoed, but not for the reasons that these
children who are being used as pawns in a political game by activist groups.
The bill is too watered down, and needs to be sent back to the legislature for
some revamping. The fallacious claims that getting the illegal
immigration into this nation undercontrol and enforcing the current federal laws
is racism are getting old and hollow. Why should someone who comes here
illegally enjoy living in the US when thousands who go through the process
legally, learn english and respect our laws just because they are not of latino
roots and did not come accross the US-Mexican border illegally. Those who honor
our laws and play by the rules deserve to be rewarded and not those who come
here illegally and do so with a sense of entitlement. Illegals who
do not respect the rule of law and who bring serious criminals along with them
are taking priority over those who honor and uphold the law and play by the
rules because of where they come from or their race. That truly is racism.
Dear Governor, I would have brought you my letter today telling you how I felt
about you pandering to lawbreakers by allowing people who are here illegally to
visit with you in you in your office and allowing them to continue to receive my
hard earned tax dollar without my consent, but I was at work trying to support
the part of my family that hasn't had to leave Utah to find work.
This bill should be vetoed.The censors did not like my explanation
of why, so let's just leave it at the fact that criminal behavior should never
be encouraged or rewarded.
This boondoggle (term for a scheme that wastes time and money) our Attorney
General is taking at our expense is bogus. If you look at the AG's
web site his mission statement says, in part "Uphold the constitution of
the United States and Utah","enforce the law","ensure the
law is upheld" and "serve the citizens of Utah."
--> "That is our entire focus"
my rino senator has lost my vote by voting for the unconstitutional guest worker
bill. If herbert doesn't veto it, he too will lose my vote
Please, GUV, veto Sandstrom's bill that racially profiles latinos. This is the
one bill that you must veto. This bill is trash. I know it's been changed,
renumbered, and responsored, but in my opinion it's plainly still Sandstrom's
enforcement only bill. It's an unnecessary piling on of penalties against a
bunch of poor people, refugees, who need our help not the gov't's boot on their
necks.Please, GUV, if you have a heart, veto Sandstrom's bad bill.
The guest worker bill will give amnesty to every person illegally in this state,
before May 11 2011. People who left this state could return and claim their
amnesty. This is a really dangerous bill. It's a slap in the face
to the working men and women of this great state. We can't allow our legislature
to put more Utahns out of work. What we have here is class warfare.
Attacking the middle class of Utah with cheap foreign labor to drive down wages
and destroy the class that made this country strong. Don't sign it
governor. Middle America is watching.
I don't know if I am the only one counting these comments...but...I see the
overwhelming # of them opposing the omnibus bill that Bramble and Wright have
created against the will of the majority of the people, as these comments prove
it! One can only hope that the governor will realize that the people want
illegal immigration stopped! and he will have the courage to veto this hidous
bill! As a latina, I am also embarrased and applauled but not surprised that
children were used by pro-illegal groups.
@dave4197 - I am Latino and I have no problem with Sandstrom's bill because I am
a legal immigrant and have nothing to fear.
I am absolutely livid about this situation. When, when, when do the legal,
taxpaying citizens have a say in curbing this out-of-control illegal situation??
Both my senator and representative voted in favor of "guest worker
permits", and will not get my vote next election. The governor has no
business listening to sob stories from illegals &/or their children. They
created this situation, the rest of us didn't. Gov. Herbert, I hope you are
reading these comments and will take them to heart. Please VETO any and all
bills that allow any form of permit, reward, or incentive of any kind for
Who paid for Shurtleff to go to Wash and urge states to adopt the Utah Compact?
Not even the majority of Utahans are in favor of the Compact. When will
government officials start listening to those who put them in office? When we
replace the all the incumbents.
Maybe the editors of the Des News should read these comments and stop running
all the pro illegal immigrations stories. What would happen if all the readers
began contacting advertisers with the Des News and boycotted those businesses?
Would Des News change their policies?
@dave4197Why all the interest in Utah? I'm thinking that
concentrating on your own state of California and its very significant issues
might be a better route.California, under the control of the liberal
progressive crowd and there feel good compassionate approach to illegal
immigration and welfare, has just about bankrupted your state. In L.A. County
alone $600 million was paid out to the children of illegal immigrants. When
considering the devastation illegal immigration has caused in California,
forgive us here in Utah for not wanting to follow your lead.As I have
stated before, compassion without consideration for its consequences is no way
to run a state unless your plan is to run it into the ground.
There are to many people out of work to even considered the guest worker bill.
We can't guarantee employment for 110,000+ people, and our own 105,000 citizens.
What was the legislature thinking? We can't afford the cost of lawsuits from
the Wright-Bramble bill either. Sandstroms guest worker program uses
existing laws and visas. It would be a better choice at this time. Utah's
legislature needs to decide if it's going to represent all of Utah and it's
workers, or just the business interests. The last thing Utahn's need is foreign
labor flooding our labor market and driving down wages further. Business has jumped the shark in Utah.
Rememember that this is not just for the 110,000 (plus) illegals currently here,
or who may be here by May 10, 2011. It ALSO is for illegals who have EVER,
EVER, EVER lived or worked in Utah prior to May 10, 2011 -- regardless of
whether THEY currently are here or not. In fact, these don't even have to be
here by May 10, 2011. 63G-12-205 [line 778] (1)(c) "HAVE
WORKED OR LIVED IN UTAH before May 10, 2011"Curt Bramble has
rationalized that because Utah does not have the authority to deport, we have no
choice but to legalize the 110,000 currently here. But how does
Bramble rationalize a RETROACTIVE amnesty except to acknowledge that greedy
employers in Utah want as many foreign nationals in Utah as possible in order to
drive Utah's notoriously low wage even further downward?
Anchor babies are a huge part of the problem here. A child born in this country
of illegal immigrants should not receive automatic citizenship rights. This law
needs to be changed. A child of illegal immigrants should have the same status
as his/her parents. Yes, keep families together, but require them to enter the
country legally. And when they do enter legally, require them to learn English.
It shows respect for the country and the culture they want to become a part
of.I agree with AmericanInterwest in California. Read his comments;
they are important.
If you really want to point a finger at the Anti-Americans look no further then
those that got the guest worker part of the bill wrote in. Also those who let it
be ONE package of bills. Those are the ones to get rid of not the Governor if he
vetoes this garage bill. The people of Utah (citizens)want enforcement not a
for a counter-balancing view to this article see: Salt Lake Trib. "GOP
delagates to gov. "veto immigration visa bill"".
We need each and everyone to find out how their representatives voted on this.
Come election day they get ousted. If they voted for this they do not represent
the voters. Who they represent is the Chamber of Commerce, Sutherland, And the
biggest player in the State. I will let you guess who that is.Shurtleff has
special interest in immigrants.
If Gary Herbert signs HB 116 he is sending a a message that Utah is now a
sanctuary state and a haven for illegal immigrants. We will be overrun and not
in a good way. It doesn't even matter if it is later ruled to be in violation of
federal law, it will be too late. It is obvious that his own party will boot him
out on top of it. All of this in the name of "not separating
families"? What a joke. They separated themselves when they came here
illegally and broke the law and they are free to have a permanent reunion in
Mexico tomorrow morning. What about the jobs of legal families in Utah? Does
Gary care about them? Sign this bill and the answer is clear,,, illegals have
priority in his book because his pals in big business need cheap labor. If he
does this I don't think we need to even wait until the next election. Let's
recall him now before he does any more damage.
I find it astounding that it's not even being considered that if we took away
the rewards for coming here illegally, maybe they would stop coming???
Utah Citizens do not count concerning Herbert, Bramble or Shurtleff. It is time
to get out and start talking to friends and neighbors to have them removed from
office in 2012. As a State Delegate, yesterdays meeting consisted of Herbert
telling us that we don't represent the people. We told him he was wrong. We also
told him that he was breaking the Constitution if he signed the Amnesty Bill.
Shurtleff is in Washington today, before the bill is even signed, talking to
Obama and Holder to support the bill nationwide. My question is this. Who is
really behind all this? Obama himself? Is Utah being ran by the Obama Regime?
I love these kids, their parents and their uncles, aunts etc., etc.. This
exploitation is nonsense however. For some years we have been hearing of the
cruelty of separating families. When a good man and father leaves Mexico or
central America to provide for his family our hearts go out to them. But in
most cases it is they who have left their families. This is so tragic since
staying in Calderon's drug infested world could well end the life of any
The federal government needs to make it easier to come here legally and harder
to be here illegally. As a state we can enact laws that support federal law,
but we cannot have laws that undermine federal law. It is illegal for employers
to hire undocumented workers, so the only thing we can do as a state is enact
laws that make it harder for companies to get away with this illegal act. We
can make it easier to identify undocumented workers or residents by asking for
identification that all legal residents would gladly show.If we
enact laws that encourage illegal immigration then we are in violation of
federal law and the constitution. This is clearly something the federal
government has the authority for, not individual states. Why are legislators
who claim to support our constitution passing a law that is so blatantly
unconstitutional?The Utah Compact recognizes the federal government
responsibility for this and calls for federal solutions. Legislators and the AG
should not be using the Utah Compact as justifiction for support of this
bill.We all dreamed that answers for this problem would come from
this legislative session. What we got is a nightmare.
""We won't support the governor if he signs the bill. We won't support
him in an election. We won't support him in a convention,""Add me to that list of Republican State Delegates!Larry M. (real
Name)St. George Precinct 28We made our feelings clear at the
convention (on illegal Immigration) and Gov. Herbert knows we will oust him!
What a deal! Utah just became a sanctuary state. But it is so racist, I live in
China and 100 million Chinese that want the same deal, sneak into Utah play it
cool for two years. Of course, I am not going to get in any trouble or commit
any crime no matter how much I have done it in the past.I will attend church a
few times and make some friends get some people to feel sorry for me, tell them
I can do some missionary work back in China. Then bop on down to my local work
permit office, I am home free. Now funny thing it does not say anything on the
work permit about how I can only do low level jobs so I (and my friends) are
going after good jobs. So the guy that cleans the library, he gets 20 bucks an
hour the city is short money so I will go after his job. I do not care that he
was born in Utah and has three kids. I will do that job for ten bucks an hour.
Now if we can just figure a way to get into Mexico.
For crying out loud. Where does compassion end and common sense begin? Haven't
I, as a taxpayer, shown enough compassion for illegals? These people sneak into
my country, steal my Identity, which costs me thousands of dollar$ to repair,
and they want my compassion. Where is the compassion for the Legal Taxpayer?
Who, by the way, are decreasing in number as jobs decrease because of illegals
being hired at cut rate pay. Where is the common sense in this whole thing?? Why
should Legal taxpayers have to suffer?? Why??
A limit has to be set. People have to accept consequences for their behavior.
Rationalizations will lead to disaster and are not good for anyone. Take each
case on its own merits.
Guess it is time for me to move back to the "United States" as Utah
seems to be a country unto itself. The "official" language of Utah is
spanish not english.
I find it interesting that there are those who think that they can do something
better than anyone else, though it has been tried and failed time and again.Why do those on Capitol hill think that they can cure this 'disease' by
ignoring the fact that it has been medicated and pampered endlessly. The cure is
to 'isolate' and keep it from spreading. This law is an invitation to spread the
'disease' which will infect and infest our culture and state. Please Veto!
LEGAL Utah residents DO NOT support the "Utah Compact".If
Shurtleff would like to take a mid-week getaway to D.C. to lobby for it, could
he ask La Raza to pay his travel fees?
Drifter, nobody can see, or read in your post, any compassion. You ask when
does compassion end, I say never, you point out that you've never started to
have any compassion. Try compassion for the less fortunate, Drifter, it'll do
your soul some good.Hunt, although I'm living in California, I have lived
in Salt Lake (Utah), graduated from college in Utah (U of U), I pay some taxes
in Utah, and I can name 4 generations back who lived in Salt Lake (including 2
immigrant pioneer families). And, fyi, California is not going bankrupt because
of illegal immigrants, (neither is Utah), that's documented (no pun intended) by
several researchers in and out of gov't. I'll continue to point out, in the DN,
on the subject of latino immigration, there's way too much hate and selfishnes
from the anglos / gringos, the hate is unAmerican, the bad attitudes need to
change.Bienvenidos, amigos. Welcome to our friends and neighbors from
south of the border. Our gov'ts should make a more open door instead of the
presently slammed door, instead of the present near impossible process to enter.
Our first priority should be to the legal residents.
Finally!! I hope the Gov will sign HB116, this is the only realistic option.
Don't hate but be great.
Can someone please tell me why, in Arizona, our legislators finally understood
the problem with illegal immigration, listened to their constituents and enacted
appropriate legislation, but in Utah it appears the legislators are totally deaf
to those who put them in office and to what is happening to schools, welfare,
We need a AZ style bill. We will remember this come next election!
@dave4197California is close to bankruptcy due to the welfare state
it has created. No study will show the extent of the harm as the illegals are
either using their US born children or stolen identities to obtain welfare and
thus next to impossible to track. Even the numbers I've given you are only based
on an educated guess. Besides arguing for government mandated compassion, what
charitable things have you done to help the less fortunate? The Social Justice
types are very adept at figuring out ways to hand out other peoples money which
in my book is not so compassionate. True compassion is voluntary, not coerced or
forced. The government should be more concerned about protecting the interest of
it's citizens, not passing laws that hurt them. Your constant
accusations of hate are old hat and untrue. The shame tactics don't work and
scream of an argument that is devoid of fact or logic. As far as un-American
goes, your compassion for illegals at the expense of U.S. Citizens is the only
un-American thing I'm reading in these posts.
I live in California. Please sign this bill, since it will entice at least 1
million illegals to leave California for Utah, then we will be able balance our
state budget without tax increases. Thanks Utah for taking all
these tax parasites off our hands.
Dave,Why do you only want Latino immigrants? There are 4 billion people
in the world poorer than the average Mexican, and 1 billion of them would like
to move to the USA. Where is your compassion for them? You are very racist and
uncompassionate, favoring Latinos over the desperately more needy elsewhere in
@dave4197 - wow, your 'compassion' blinds your common sense. I have mentioned
this before, I am Latino but I am also a proud legal immigrant in this great
country. I had to follow the rules to get my green card. Would you explain to me
why these people should be treated differently? This sounds like discrimination
to me. And let me tell you who the real racists are. Another Latino told me the
other day that I should be ashamed for turning my back on my own people. I told
him that people who break the law are not my people. Should I support the
illegals just because they are Latino like myself? This, my friend, is the most
racist thing I have ever heard in my life.
Ubelievable how despicable these illegals and open border advocates are that
they would use CHILDREN to further their political agenda, which is to promote
lawlessness.Yesterday I wrote the governor saying that he will lose
the votes of myself as well as many others like me if he votes for HB 116
(amnesty for illegals), and I urged him not to let Utah become a magnet state
for illegals like California currently is. Every one of us who are
concerned about Utah becoming a bankrupt gang-banger ridden state like
California also need to write or call the governor and make your voices heard
BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE.
Gov Herbert sign HB116!! We want it here in Utah because we are different and
have more compassion for immigrants than other states. Hooray for Reid, Wright,
Herbert, and our attorney general.
Happy,Compassion for immigrants? There are 4 million legal immigrants
stuck outside the USA right now, waiting years and decades in long lines created
by illegal alien amnesties. Thousands of them die every year before setting
foot in the USA. This Utah amnesty bill will if anything make them wait
longer.You have NO compassion for immigrants.
The voters of this state must send a vary clear message any lawmaker responsible
for hb116 or any other amnesty bill, will lose their job. I have been a GOP
state delegate and am currently a county delegate; and I have never been so
disgusted by my government. Unfortunately the main player behind this atrocity
is not just my legislator but also my church, as they have led the efforts to
pass this bill. Below is the list of legislators and how they voted on hb116,
please let them know how you feel. On a side note if we are in the business of
defying federal law, how about a bill exempting Utah citizens from paying
federal income tax. How is it that the most conservative state in the union now
has the most liberal immigration policy?
2SHB 116 HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 2011 General
Session of the 59th Legislature
Guest Worker Program Act FEBRUARY
23, 2011 Lockhart
3:37:34 PM SPEAKER OF THE
YEAS - 43 Anderson Dee
Hutchings Powell Arent Draxler
Kiser Richardson Barrus
Duckworth, S Litvack Sagers Bird
Edwards McIff Seelig Biskupski
Fisher, Janice Menlove Vickers Briscoe
Fisher, Julie Moss Webb
Brown, D Galvez Painter Wheatley
Butterfield Handy Perry Wiley Christensen Harper Peterson, J Wright
Cosgrove Hemingway Peterson, V Lockhart
Daw Hendrickson Poulson NAYS - 28 Chavez-Houck Grover Mathis
Sandstrom Clark Herrod Newbold
Sanpei Cox Hughes Nielson
Sumsion Dunnigan Ipson Noel
Watkins Eliason Ivory
Oda Wilcox Gibson King
Pitcher Wilson Greenwood Last
Ray Wimmer ABSENT OR NOT
VOTING - 4 Brown, M Dougall Froerer
Morley UTAH STATE SENATE 59th LEGISLATURE 2011 GENERAL SESSION
3/04/2011 6:05:47 PM
Utah Immigration Accountability and Enforcement
21 YEAS 7 NAYS 1 ABSENT PASSEDYEAS 21 Adams Jenkins Niederhauser Valentine
Bramble Jones Okerlund Van Tassell
Buttars Knudson Reid Waddoups
Christensen Mayne Robles Davis
McAdams Stephenson, H. Hillyard Morgan
Stevenson, J. NAYS 7Dayton Liljenquist
Romero Urquhart Hinkins Madsen
Thatcher ABSENT 1 Stowell
Hunt, I see I got your attention, even though you've promised not to notice my
posts any more. Facts are, in spite of your denial, Utah and California
economies are not significantly negatively affected by illegal immigrants. As
to your question of my personal helping of those less fortunate, I do, and I do
until it's a strain financially. What do you do Hunt, besides chase poor
refugees into jail? I find your type of compassion devoid of real compassion.
Get your glasses on and read my posts again, I'm consistently for helping our
friends from south of the border, I'm consistently noticing the relative
opulence of our economy when compared with the plight of the poor, and I
purposely don't notice whether the poor have a green card.Mexicans,
central American, south Americans, Canadians, these are our neighbors, we ought
to treat them like the friends they are. Try it, Hunt. Try it, you other self
protective and self absorbed posters. C'mon, guv, sign the guest
worker bill.And trash Sandstrom's enforcement only bill.
To legalimmigrant | 4:03 p.m. March 9, 2011 My family and relatives came
here legally too, but we do not turn our backs on the undocumented or trash them
like some fraud eminences do on this blog. Some of the people who say
they came here legally are a lazy and a pain, and take advantage of the system.
There are lots of those everywhere. Are they better people than the hard working
illegals just because of a green card?People who were fortunate to arrive
here legally most probably have to thank someone preceeding him or her who came
here "illegally". If the system has not reached out yet to an
immigrants' solution, we have to push harder for a viable answer to bring the
undocumented out of the shadows and into the fold.
It is not realistic to send these US Citizen children back with their parents.
Case and Point: In Guatemala the Guatemalan Government charges US Citizens $34
per month after they have been in the Country for more than 90 days. These
people make $60 to $100 per month and a family with 3 US Citizen Children would
then owe the Government more than they can make in a month making it impossible
to take their children back home with them. They will leave their US Citizen
children in the US and we will have to pay to take care of these displaced kids.
When the Southern UT ICE raid happened it overwhelmed the foster care system
with arrests from just two factories, imagine a mass deportation not only would
we not get property taxes from 4 million homes we would loose over 300 billion
in money they make and spend within the country and we would have to care for
all the displaced kids they leave behind. Not a good plan. We need to look for
reasonable solutions for these issues. Unlawful Presence is only a Civil
Infraction not criminal. If they are caught crossing it is criminal
@dave4197Way to not address my key points or others such as the fact
that you show no compassion to those who can't come to this country due to the
illegal population. I'm sorry but the problem is larger than what you
make it. California is effected negatively and there are studies to show it.
They just aren't widely reported because there is a biased in the media towards
the pro illegal immigration types. This bias is driven by the liberals who see
a political advantage by making illegals legal voters and by the Conservatives
who are funded by big business which see's the illegals as slave labor.Your desire to see enforcement squashed and amnesty given only go to
perpetuate the problems that you choose to deny.We need to get
control of our house before we go and start trying to help others in theirs. A
simple principle, which if not followed, will only lead to the downfall of this
great nation. At that point we won't have the ability to show compassion to