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Published: Friday, March 4 2011 11:00 a.m. MST

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Sanpete, UT

Herbert will pass this bill. He is the most spineless person I have ever seen. He usually doesn't sign something important unless another state does it first, but this will be the first time he is setting a model for absolutely ripping off the people in his state. I'll remember this next elections Gary!

Gainesville, FL

Did all of you people commenting on this story take the time to contact your representatives and tell them that this is a bad idea? Contrary to what most people think, elected officials do listen to their constituents; they don't always follow them but they (most of them) do listen. Take time to contact your reps., the governor, and whomever else you can in order to try and reverse this madness.

Holladay, UT

I will be sure to post the names and districts of all of the "representatives" that voted for this awful bill. It is sad that they have the nerve to pass a bill teaching our kids that the United States and Utah are a representative democracy and then turn around and do the opposite of the will of the people they represent. Vote these people out next election!

Clearfield, UT

Governor Herbert show some political courage and veto this bill. This doesn't have anything to do with redistricting coming up does it? I didn't think so.

Afterthought KSL did an excellent job critiquing this on the nightside project. Bad legislation.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

The majority of Utah
[in my best robot voice]



Now - In my real voice,

GOP does NOT stand for
"God's Own Party".

Wake UP!!!

Cedar City, UT

The only option to defeat this terrible bill rests in the hands of Gov. Herbert since it has already passed both houses by 2/3 vote. It is easy to find Gov Herbert's email address and make your feelings be known to him. You will have to do it very quickly however.

I sent my email to him today and asked for a reply. I mentioned in that email that he might just want to go online and take a look at the comments made under the article in this article about HB477.

Just go on Google or Yahoo homepages and type: Gov Herbert email address. The options will come up. Please do it quickly. We will have to wait to vote these Reps and Senators out of office, but we must let the Gov know what we think of this Bill.

John C. C.
Payson, UT

There is so much furor over this bill, I wonder if it didn't also serve as a smoke screen. What else was hurried through out of all those "boxcar" bills? I hope more of us study the legislature's website and find out. Perhaps there are more to be discovered.

Having read many of the bills already, there are certainly two trends: They don't like public schools and they prefer top-down government with less public input.

Huntsville, UT

I was there. I've been there the entire session - 7am to all hours of the evening. It's a shame that more people don't read the bills they criticize.

With all due respect to the media, as I was walking out of the Senate, I said in a jokingly but respectful manner to one of the most recognized faces in Utah's TV media who I had stood by many times during the session, "Not having a good day?" To which he quickly shot angrily back, "No comment." Ironic, isn't it?

This was more about money than wanting to keep things in the 'dark'. The huge amounts of revenue it's taking to accommodate some of these requests is a ridiculous.

At the end of day, their actions will speak louder than any covert meeting. And when those actions are not in keeping with your values, VOTE! But, that won't happen. People will simply want to gripe. Last election, we had about 38% turn out to vote. Shame!

Read the bill. Look at it from many different sides. Ask questions. Then complain if you want. Then run for office. Or at least vote.

Durham, NC

"At the end of day, their actions will speak louder than any covert meeting. And when those actions are not in keeping with your values, VOTE! But, that won't happen"

People don't vote anymore because they feel excluded from the process - disconnected. The issues is non-partisan, frustration with politics being above the people, and not responsible to the people is a sentiment held by the left and right.

Keeping an open and transparent democracy is justified as with the alternative, the cost is far too high. The public is not on a "need to know" basis. Nothing they do is above or beyond the citizenries need to know. To have an active and engaged citizenry, they need to feel like they are part of the process. Utah politics is too filled with the few making decisions for the many. Maybe it is because of the culture from the church that many think this is acceptable. But being a representative isn't a calling, it is a responsibility, one where transparency to the process is critical.

Knowledge = engaged public.

Sorry Freedom, but I think you have the responsibilties backward here.

Herriman, UT

$80,000 is only 0.002% of the State's $4.2 billion budget. For a normal household making $45k a year, thats like spending $0.90 once a year. I think that we can afford .002% for transperancy (even if some idiots could abuse it - though no one seems to be able to give specific examples of when it was abused).

Something about this just doesn't sit right.

Also, if you're against a "one party" or "two party" system, then make your voice heard. Two party systems (or less) is dangerous to the republic!

John Pack Lambert of Michigan
Ypsilanti, MI

The claim that Utah has a one-party system is hogwash. A one-party system means that the One party decides who is in office. The rise of Chaffetz and Lee among others shows that while people may identify with the same party, the fact that they have differing phylosophies leads to electoral disagreement.

What Utah Democrats really need to learn is how to run a campaign on something other than the faults of their opponants. They also need to learn how to get their feet out of their mouths and not go around insulting the basic values of most of the electorate.

Ross Anderson endorsing Nader was a step in the right direction for Utah Democrats. The less association they have with people who value controversy over compromise, and think making a failed stand on principal is worth more than getting a bill that gets as much as possible, the better off they will be.

Lastly, the fact that Buttars voted against this bill complicates every set of lessons taken from it. Beyond this, most of the rhetoric coming out about the Democrat opposition ignores the inherent advantage an opposition has. Compromise is hard.

John Pack Lambert of Michigan
Ypsilanti, MI

open minded's theory that an end of the caucus system will change things assumes that the "moderate right" is a bunch of lazy people unwilling to participate in politics. This may be so, but on what basis does he think this will change with primaries.

For one thing, if Utah ends the caucus system should it go to primaries where whoever gets the most votes wins, or should it require a runoff after the first primary if no one gets a majority of votes?

I do think that Utah should at least provide for special elections to fill vacant seats in the legislature.

However after reading the bizarre claims that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is somehow behind this act, which has no basis outside of the minds of some conspiracy theorists, and is really hard to believe in light of the fact that the Church owned Deseret News has not shown itself to be a freind of this law, all I have to say is that a good portion of these attacks are motivated by a desire to malign Mormons at every turn.

John Pack Lambert of Michigan
Ypsilanti, MI

Mormonsim is a religion that seeks for a Zion where people are of one heart and one mind.

The two-party political system, especially when entered by people who have deep seated resentments at having lost many elections, breeds disagreement and animosity.

We are encoraged to participate in politics, but it requires going outside of our comfort zones.

It would help if people found a way to participate without being so negative.

One really good thing would be if people would start from the premise that most people are good. This will require a major change on the part of commentors on both sides. The people who implemented the Health Care Act did so primarily because they thought it would be good for people in the long run. Those who opposed it also did so because in general they thought it was bad public policy and in many cases felt it exceeded the proper role of the Federal government.

It would be nice if there was a willingness to recognize that people who held the other position were sincere. It would be even more nice if Republicans would grant Matheson the assumption of sincerity in his opposition.

John Pack Lambert of Michigan
Ypsilanti, MI

The number one reason why Utah has such a one-sided political environment is due to the attempts to nationalize politics from both sides of the aisle.

A vote for Matheson is not a vote for Pelosi. A vote for Cannon never was a vote for Gingrich. Both major political parties have been guilty of attempting to nationalize politics.

Until Utah Democrats realize they have to openly repudiate the radicalism of other members of their party to have any chance to win, they will tend to loose.

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