While it was the right decision to enforce the existing honor code, it is a
stretch to somehow associate this situation with the Founding Fathers.Most other basketball players are honorable and developing into a well-rounded
citizens even though they are not living up to the strict standard that was
imposed upon (and agreed to by) Brandon Davies.Are double-standards
a problem? Yes. Was BD putting himself first before the interests of his
teammates? Maybe. But it's not (allegedly) like he was doing drugs or taking
bribes or stealing from a convenience store or beating up somebody. He was
caught doing something (allegedly) that most college students do regularly and
still grow up to be fine upstanding people.
It is most unfortunate that the specifics of this infraction were releasedto the media. That multiples the punishment of this young man.Why was
that done? Anything beyond a brief suspension is excessive.The emphasis
should be on forgiveness and not on the sin.
I am a BYU alum and support their decision. Not because I think I am better than
anyone, or that I haven't had my own mountain of mistakes, but because they are
doing it with Brandon's best interest in mind. Caring for someone does not mean
they should "get away" with certain behaviors, but BECAUSE we care for
them a consequence is enforced. The ONLY reason it is public is because he is a
public figure; the MEDIA demanded it. It was not purposefully dealt out to
humiliate him.There is a difference between casting stones and
having consequences for ones actions. From the comments I've read, I think most
BYU fans and others feel for Brandon and wish him the best. I do too. We don't
take pleasure in his suffering or think we are better than him. We ALL make bad
choices that lead to painful consequences. Not having a consequence sends the
message that whatever the violation of honor is, is fine or no big deal. It's
not. We are expected to be the best of who we can be, which brings ultimate joy
to ourselves and others.
I am surprised at the number of comments here suggesting that BYU has done
something wrong or acted without charity. While believing BYU is far from
perfect, these accusations based on a reading of news stories or speaking with a
friend who was a bishop seem to be off the mark. Attending BYU (and playing
basketball) is a privilege limited to a small percentage of Church youth of
college age who meet the mark academically and spiritually. Many very good kids
are turned down. As a condition of continuance, those attending need a
recommendation from their bishop saying they are living the honor code. If they
are not, the space is given to somebody who is. Applying the code evenly is not
easy. Some people do not confess and make it through without violations being
discovered (shame on them). A few faculty members violate the code and are
discovered and relieved of duties or are not discovered and continue (shame on
them). Some bishop's are quicker than others to pull the recommendation. It is
tough to administer but to argue that BYU has done something wrong or different
in this case is off the mark.
I don't understand the harshness of the BYU honor code enforcement. I can't
imagine how much more difficult it would be to repent of something if there was
a 3rd party involved who could publicly shame you over a flaw that was eating at
you and you confided privately to a church leader. I guess the
Christian concept of "he who is without sin casting the first stone"
just doesn't apply at BYU. There are probably plenty of students and
administrators at BYU who are not fully following the honor code and just don't
mention it, or lie about it when asked.I know of several young LDS
people in my extended family who found themselves in a similar situation,
including returned missionaries whose situation was handled much more tactfully
and privately by their Bishop. Most married and within a year were considered
fully worthy for a temple sealing. I don't understand why BYU
administrators think that publicly humiliating a high-profile college athlete on
the verge of something rare like this will produce a positive result. What if
Davies doesn't cope with the guilt and harms himself over this?
re:slgs5aggieFirst of all if he is no longer on the team he no
longer has his scholarship. Dave Rose isn't going to lose a scholarship over
this so if Brandon is indeed out of the program then he also loses his
scholarship - THIS IS A BIG DEAL!!! Also, BYU took the "least restrictive
route"? Say what? How is kicking one of Dave Rose's more important players
off the team during an historic season just before the NCAA tournament somehow
"least restrictive"??? BYU has many options here and it was totally up
to them how they implemented them. Seems to me BYU took the harhest route
possible here both in punishing Brandon as well as the team itself. What about a
one or two game suspension? What a about some sort of post season suspension?
What about a suspension for a number of games next season? There were MANY
options available but the one taken was the WORST BY FAR. Obviously BYU has the
nation scratching its head in trying to understand how throwing away a potential
final 4 appearance and throwing a player under the bus is the "best and
only option". Go figure.
Without knowing all of the facts, it's impossible to fairly judge Brandon or the
BYU administration on how he was or will be disciplined.But, BYU has
a duty not to divulge confidential information to the public.And
that is the real dilemma that BYU faces. BYU can't fully explain
it's actions without revealing the details that led to those actions. And, BYU
can't reveal the details that led to their decision without breaking their word
to keep such information private.It's unfortunate, though, that BYU
doesn't have some sort of happy medium, where a player's serious indiscretions
could be address through probation and being banned for a certain number of
games, rather than outright dismissal from the team and possiblly being kicked
out of school, especially if it's a first offense and the athlete came forward
to confess voluntarily.
Kind of amazed at some of the comments. Some have stated their confusion that he
was kicked off the team but not kicked out of school? Last time I checked
athletics were still an EXTRA-CURRICULAR activity. College education is still
supposed to be the main reason why a person attends, a college. It seems to me
to be more fair to allow him to stay enrolled in school, but disallow him those
extra activities. In High school if a student breaks some rules, such as getting
failing grades, the get kicked off the team first. If they break other rules
such as laws, then they would be kicked out of school. BYU clearly stated that
an honor code violation occurred, not specifying what it was, but said it was
not criminal. Seems to me that they took the "least restrictive"
route, which for this Student Athlete is a giving him the lesser punishment.
This to me shows their making the punishment fit the crime.
I suspect any remaining support for the suspenion to evaporate with each loss -
especially those coming in the MWC tournament and the NCAA tournament. The
question that BYU administration has to ask themselves is how important is fan
support? How important is national recognition? Is losing ok ? Does every honor
code violation HAVE to require automatic suspension from the team or is there a
better way that helps both the player , the team and the school? I think the
answer to some of these questions will be answered before the end of March for
What if this isn't his first HC violation? What if he has had chance after
chance? Unless we know all of the circumstances, we have no idea what is behind
all of this. You can make all the accusations and judgments agains BYU or
Davies you want for this. But I guarantee you that this action was not taken
lightly nor was it an easy decision for BYU to suspend him from the team! It
wasn't easy for Davies to come forward either! He obviously respects the honor
code and BYU or he wouldn't have come forward. Whatever he did must have been
killing him on the inside. The kid made a big mistake, but I for one respect
both Davies and BYU for owning up to it and following through. You can say all
you want that premarital sex is not that big of a deal. I think Brandon Davies
would disagree with you! He knows what he did was wrong and he is taking care
of it. I RESPECT that! We all make mistakes, I for one am glad that mine
are not open for discussion on a public forum!
When I first heard the news, I thought that perhaps there goes our March
Madness. Then my heart took courage and I had a thought. Even though we intend
to keep our honor even if it hurts us, who says we will not succeed in spite of
our loss. If we do what is right, can we not we expect the blessings of God for
it? Now don't get me wrong. I am NOT saying that God is now on the BYU side and
the devil on the side of the other team. I do, however, believe that God honors
those who keep their honor. Either way, we will be fine. We have cast our lot
with honor and God is watching.
Just an observation. It appears to me that BYU has become so concerned that the
rest of the world will condemn BYU for having a "double standard," by
being too "soft" on BYU athletes who violate the honor code, that they
have gone too far the other way. It appears to me that BYU currently does have
a "double standard" concerning the way it enforces the honor code
concerning BYU athletes. However, I believe the "double standard" is
that BYU is much too harsh concerning athletes who violate the honor code, as
compared with non-athlete students who violate the honor code. I've been a BYU
fan for almost 40 years, and was much more satisfied with how BYU enforced their
honor code prior to the current, overly self-righteous administration.
BYU seems to be handling this right. (Keep in mind that his status in school is
still pending.) They won't bend the rules just because he is a vital athlete
for the team (proven by the fact that he is off the team), but neither are
simply going to kick him out the door and disown him. They know that what is
more important is the spiritual and educational growth of young people.
Basketball is behind those.I will agree with others here that it is
sad to see how public this has to be. But I don't know any other way around it,
do you? Sadly, when people are that good at basketball, the are in the
spotlight and all their abilities and weaknesses are displayed. I hope Brandon
makes his way through this and wish him the best whatever happens. I think he
will turn this lemon into lemonade.
I have never believed that BYU should be in the morality enforcement business.
The honor code is good but BYU's mission should be education, not enforcement.
If a person cheats on exams, flunk him. If he's caught selling dope, turn him
into the cops. if he doesn't go to church that's his business. Premarital sex,
well, let him without sin cast the first stone. Those morality issues are
handled by the bishops throughout the church. Why should BYU be different?Students at BYU are exemplary students. Many are returned missionaries.
Kids who are well grounded. 18 years is considered adult. BYU students are
adults. Why does BYU insist that they have the right to punish adult behavior?
Kick out the criminals. Rape? Boot them out. Law breaking? Let the law deal with
it. Does BYU kick someone out of school for a speeding or reckless driving
ticket? Let the Bishops deal with morality issues. Let BYU educate.Focus on providing the best education a student can get, and leave morality
issues to the conscience of the sinner.
The honor code is what it is. All students are aware of it, and sign that they
will live by it before enrolling. I respect Brigham Young for sticking to their
guns on this one. Brigham Young is employed by the LDS church. If BYU did not
discipline Davies,I would suspect BYU's president Samuelson would of been
reprimanded by the LDS church. Some people get the LDS church confused with BYU,
although BYU is owned by LDS church they are two separate entities. The LDS
church has multiple types of assets they own other than BYU. The difference is
that BYU is led by president Samuelson, and the church is led by president
Monson. The core of the honor code goes hand in hand with the standards of the
LDS church. However, the honor code includes codes of ethics that are there for
students protection, but they are not commandments of the church.(I.E. facial
hair, hair length, shorts length, curfew.) It's not against the commandments for
LDS church members to have chocolate because it has caffeine in it.
My heart goes out to Brandon and his family. It is very hard for any one of us
to fully comprehend the agony that they are going through right now. Not just
the agony of no longer being allowed to play the game he loves, but the
knowledge that he has let down his teammates at a critical time of a historic
season. It must have been pure anguish to watch his teammates struggle with
his absence in last night's blowout by the Lobos.Personally support
the BYU Honor Code, but only wish that there was some way to soften it at least
publicly for Brandon's sake.Brandon, please know that we love you
and support you in all your future endeavors. As a member of the human family,
we have all made many mistakes. All the very best to you and your mom and
Davies needs to pray really hard that the team will do its best works without
him there. That is the only support he can give them at this time. As far as being a player vs being a student at BYU, there is an additional
contract that the players make with the team and coach, that they will continue
to uphold the Honor Code. If it is violated, it is immediate expulsion from the
team. Did we already forget about Harvey Unga?
Well now, we can call it March Saddness for a university, it's fans, and
especially for a stucent athlete who demonstrated great moral courage. Let none
of us judge this young man or the universaity he attends for the decisions that
have been made until and unless they hand you their moccisin, er shoes!
I agree with you CougfaninTexas. Something just doesn't seem right to me here.
If BYU had a desire to let the world know how important the honor code is to the
University, they could have found another way to do that. Using this student as
an example -- a student who remorsefully turned himself in -- and continuing to
allow him to be a student doesn't smell right at all to me. What that school
has now down to him is horrific. They should have found a way to deal with this
privately in the same way the church would deal with such a transgression for
anyone else privately.
I'm kind of irked by the "selfish" quote in the article. Some people
spend their whole lives "astounded" by someone else's sin as if they
are living the gospel perfectly and won't need the saving grace of forgiveness.
I for one have an even greater respect for any athlete who comes forward on his
own.And I do think BYU needs to think about how to keep someone in
school without making their trespasses so public.
I agree 100% with cougar fanin TX, if it is true that Davies came forward on his
own the punishment does not fit the sin. It makes no sense that he can remain
in school but not on the team. This should be an issue between him and his
Bishop. The devastating thing about this is it not only affects
Brandon but Jimmer and Jackson who are seniors and all of cougar nation. There
is no second chance for them to have a dream season in the NCAA tourney. You
could see it on their faces last night during the New Mexico game they know that
this season is now done. Jimmer and the team went from national Cinderella
media darling to also ran in one night.
Why do all you people make comments on something you know NOTHING about? All you
know is that Davies was kicked off the team for violations of the honor code.
You DO NOT know what he did or the circumstances surrounding it. Try using your
same logic the next time you read about anything that happens around you that
you don't like. Sure we all need to repent and when we do we receive forgivness,
however there is always a price to pay. Why do you think we have jails and
prisons? I have dealt with many who are in jail and are very remorsefull about
what they have done, but they still have to pay a price. Using some logic I have
read, if we did what they wanted, we would have empty jails and mass problems in
the world.P.S. It is not just the athletes! I know of several who
were kicked out of BYU for what many would just shake their heads at. Thank
goodness for the HONOR code.
I recall a few years ago, when BYU was dealing with some honor code violations
by players on the BYU football team, local sportscaster Pace Mannion commented
that when he was on his Mormon mission, several missionaries were sent home from
their missions for "honor code" type violations--and they were
involved full-time in the super-spiritual activity of attempting to be
missionaries. His point was that young male athletes--who generally have a
higher testosterone level than most young men, and are at college for the
purpose of playing sports, attending college and meeting girls--are apt to slip
up on occasion, even if they are good kids with high moral standards, and are
trying hard to abide by BYU's honor code.I agree wholeheartedly with
the comments of CougFaninTX. Sometimes I think BYU is especially harsh on
athletes who violate the honor code, all for the primary purpose of getting
positive press for BYU--as the university that has the "integrity to uphold
its standards"--without any regard for what BYU is doing to the life of the
student athlete who came to BYU with full intent to live the honor code, but
Guess "Go thy way and sin no more" is a fine idea, but nothing more.
Following transgression/violation of honor code - by a star athlete or John Doe
- reason would call for focus on the natural consequences of the transgression
and spiritual recovery. A few other equally well concieved punishments would
be, make him wear a pointy dunce cap, make him stand with his nose in the
corner, have mommy spank him. Point is, natural consequeces (there's those
words again) are why we do, or don't do things and that is where focus should
remain - end of story. This punishment, like the others offered above, is so
grossly unrelated to the transgression it becomes hurtful not helpful. For G*d,
natural consequences are enough - Shouldn't they be enough for others. I'm
familiar with, and fully support BYU's honor code, however, a violation of the
code calls for spiritual recovery and penitent examination of natural
consequences (yes... again... sorry) not some absolutly arbitrary
magic-eight-ball type punishment that is only related to the original offense in
a dilusional mind. G*d bless Texas!!!! You can have Utah. I wish you only the
It is being reported in the SL Trib that Davies came forward remorseful and
repentant. If that is true, this level of punishment is far too severe. I have
a good friend who is a Bishop of a BYU Ward and he says if he had to suspend all
the kids that came forward to him each year, there would be no students left to
attend BYU. I also don't understand why he is kicked off the
basketball team but allowed to remain in school. If it's such a severe
violation that he can't be on the basketball team, he shouldn't be allowed to be
in school. And consequently, if he's allowed to be in school, let him remain on
the basketball team.When repentant individuals come forward, the
individual should be left to work it out with their ecclesiastical leader
instead of allowing their transgression to be broadcast by the media.I'm very disappointed in how this is being handled.
College athletics in this Country used to be about honor, sportsmanship, and
fair play. That has been the case from the beginning.A little known
fact is that the Founding Fathers believed that athletic endeavors were
essential to the development of a well-rounded citizen. Above all, they believed
that honor and loyalty must be present for this to occur.In making
this suspension, BYU has simply honored the tradition of college athletics and
the Fathers. Rules are there for a reason, and they must be enforced.One of the tragedies of the modern era in that the purposes of athletics have
been forgotten by so many. BYU should be commended for not forgetting.