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Published: Wednesday, March 2 2011 9:44 p.m. MST

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John Charity Spring
Alloway, NJ

College athletics in this Country used to be about honor, sportsmanship, and fair play. That has been the case from the beginning.

A little known fact is that the Founding Fathers believed that athletic endeavors were essential to the development of a well-rounded citizen. Above all, they believed that honor and loyalty must be present for this to occur.

In making this suspension, BYU has simply honored the tradition of college athletics and the Fathers. Rules are there for a reason, and they must be enforced.

One of the tragedies of the modern era in that the purposes of athletics have been forgotten by so many. BYU should be commended for not forgetting.

CougFaninTX
Frisco, TX

It is being reported in the SL Trib that Davies came forward remorseful and repentant. If that is true, this level of punishment is far too severe. I have a good friend who is a Bishop of a BYU Ward and he says if he had to suspend all the kids that came forward to him each year, there would be no students left to attend BYU.

I also don't understand why he is kicked off the basketball team but allowed to remain in school. If it's such a severe violation that he can't be on the basketball team, he shouldn't be allowed to be in school. And consequently, if he's allowed to be in school, let him remain on the basketball team.

When repentant individuals come forward, the individual should be left to work it out with their ecclesiastical leader instead of allowing their transgression to be broadcast by the media.

I'm very disappointed in how this is being handled.

txlds
Selma, Texas

Guess "Go thy way and sin no more" is a fine idea, but nothing more. Following transgression/violation of honor code - by a star athlete or John Doe - reason would call for focus on the natural consequences of the transgression and spiritual recovery. A few other equally well concieved punishments would be, make him wear a pointy dunce cap, make him stand with his nose in the corner, have mommy spank him. Point is, natural consequeces (there's those words again) are why we do, or don't do things and that is where focus should remain - end of story. This punishment, like the others offered above, is so grossly unrelated to the transgression it becomes hurtful not helpful. For G*d, natural consequences are enough - Shouldn't they be enough for others. I'm familiar with, and fully support BYU's honor code, however, a violation of the code calls for spiritual recovery and penitent examination of natural consequences (yes... again... sorry) not some absolutly arbitrary magic-eight-ball type punishment that is only related to the original offense in a dilusional mind. G*d bless Texas!!!! You can have Utah. I wish you only the best Davies

Draft dumbie
Farmington, UT

I recall a few years ago, when BYU was dealing with some honor code violations by players on the BYU football team, local sportscaster Pace Mannion commented that when he was on his Mormon mission, several missionaries were sent home from their missions for "honor code" type violations--and they were involved full-time in the super-spiritual activity of attempting to be missionaries. His point was that young male athletes--who generally have a higher testosterone level than most young men, and are at college for the purpose of playing sports, attending college and meeting girls--are apt to slip up on occasion, even if they are good kids with high moral standards, and are trying hard to abide by BYU's honor code.

I agree wholeheartedly with the comments of CougFaninTX. Sometimes I think BYU is especially harsh on athletes who violate the honor code, all for the primary purpose of getting positive press for BYU--as the university that has the "integrity to uphold its standards"--without any regard for what BYU is doing to the life of the student athlete who came to BYU with full intent to live the honor code, but slipped up.

Eddie
Syracuse, UT

Why do all you people make comments on something you know NOTHING about? All you know is that Davies was kicked off the team for violations of the honor code. You DO NOT know what he did or the circumstances surrounding it. Try using your same logic the next time you read about anything that happens around you that you don't like. Sure we all need to repent and when we do we receive forgivness, however there is always a price to pay. Why do you think we have jails and prisons? I have dealt with many who are in jail and are very remorsefull about what they have done, but they still have to pay a price. Using some logic I have read, if we did what they wanted, we would have empty jails and mass problems in the world.

P.S. It is not just the athletes! I know of several who were kicked out of BYU for what many would just shake their heads at. Thank goodness for the HONOR code.

JustintimeY
Boise, Id

I agree 100% with cougar fanin TX, if it is true that Davies came forward on his own the punishment does not fit the sin. It makes no sense that he can remain in school but not on the team. This should be an issue between him and his Bishop.

The devastating thing about this is it not only affects Brandon but Jimmer and Jackson who are seniors and all of cougar nation. There is no second chance for them to have a dream season in the NCAA tourney. You could see it on their faces last night during the New Mexico game they know that this season is now done. Jimmer and the team went from national Cinderella media darling to also ran in one night.

IFJazzFan
Idaho Falls, ID

I'm kind of irked by the "selfish" quote in the article. Some people spend their whole lives "astounded" by someone else's sin as if they are living the gospel perfectly and won't need the saving grace of forgiveness. I for one have an even greater respect for any athlete who comes forward on his own.

And I do think BYU needs to think about how to keep someone in school without making their trespasses so public.

Kami
Bountiful, Utah

I agree with you CougfaninTexas. Something just doesn't seem right to me here. If BYU had a desire to let the world know how important the honor code is to the University, they could have found another way to do that. Using this student as an example -- a student who remorsefully turned himself in -- and continuing to allow him to be a student doesn't smell right at all to me. What that school has now down to him is horrific. They should have found a way to deal with this privately in the same way the church would deal with such a transgression for anyone else privately.

Real Bass
Idaho Falls, ID

Well now, we can call it March Saddness for a university, it's fans, and especially for a stucent athlete who demonstrated great moral courage. Let none of us judge this young man or the universaity he attends for the decisions that have been made until and unless they hand you their moccisin, er shoes!

washcomom
Beaverton, OR

Davies needs to pray really hard that the team will do its best works without him there. That is the only support he can give them at this time.

As far as being a player vs being a student at BYU, there is an additional contract that the players make with the team and coach, that they will continue to uphold the Honor Code. If it is violated, it is immediate expulsion from the team. Did we already forget about Harvey Unga?

Alpine Blue
Alpine, UT

My heart goes out to Brandon and his family. It is very hard for any one of us to fully comprehend the agony that they are going through right now. Not just the agony of no longer being allowed to play the game he loves, but the knowledge that he has let down his teammates at a critical time of a historic season. It must have been pure anguish to watch his teammates struggle with his absence in last night's blowout by the Lobos.

Personally support the BYU Honor Code, but only wish that there was some way to soften it at least publicly for Brandon's sake.

Brandon, please know that we love you and support you in all your future endeavors. As a member of the human family, we have all made many mistakes. All the very best to you and your mom and family.

4D
Provo, UT

The honor code is what it is. All students are aware of it, and sign that they will live by it before enrolling. I respect Brigham Young for sticking to their guns on this one. Brigham Young is employed by the LDS church. If BYU did not discipline Davies,I would suspect BYU's president Samuelson would of been reprimanded by the LDS church. Some people get the LDS church confused with BYU, although BYU is owned by LDS church they are two separate entities. The LDS church has multiple types of assets they own other than BYU. The difference is that BYU is led by president Samuelson, and the church is led by president Monson. The core of the honor code goes hand in hand with the standards of the LDS church. However, the honor code includes codes of ethics that are there for students protection, but they are not commandments of the church.(I.E. facial hair, hair length, shorts length, curfew.) It's not against the commandments for LDS church members to have chocolate because it has caffeine in it.

BlueHusky
Mission Viejo, CA

I have never believed that BYU should be in the morality enforcement business. The honor code is good but BYU's mission should be education, not enforcement. If a person cheats on exams, flunk him. If he's caught selling dope, turn him into the cops. if he doesn't go to church that's his business. Premarital sex, well, let him without sin cast the first stone. Those morality issues are handled by the bishops throughout the church. Why should BYU be different?

Students at BYU are exemplary students. Many are returned missionaries. Kids who are well grounded. 18 years is considered adult. BYU students are adults. Why does BYU insist that they have the right to punish adult behavior? Kick out the criminals. Rape? Boot them out. Law breaking? Let the law deal with it. Does BYU kick someone out of school for a speeding or reckless driving ticket? Let the Bishops deal with morality issues. Let BYU educate.

Focus on providing the best education a student can get, and leave morality issues to the conscience of the sinner.

nomowse
Anaheim, CA

BYU seems to be handling this right. (Keep in mind that his status in school is still pending.) They won't bend the rules just because he is a vital athlete for the team (proven by the fact that he is off the team), but neither are simply going to kick him out the door and disown him. They know that what is more important is the spiritual and educational growth of young people. Basketball is behind those.

I will agree with others here that it is sad to see how public this has to be. But I don't know any other way around it, do you? Sadly, when people are that good at basketball, the are in the spotlight and all their abilities and weaknesses are displayed. I hope Brandon makes his way through this and wish him the best whatever happens. I think he will turn this lemon into lemonade.

Draft dumbie
Farmington, UT

Just an observation. It appears to me that BYU has become so concerned that the rest of the world will condemn BYU for having a "double standard," by being too "soft" on BYU athletes who violate the honor code, that they have gone too far the other way. It appears to me that BYU currently does have a "double standard" concerning the way it enforces the honor code concerning BYU athletes. However, I believe the "double standard" is that BYU is much too harsh concerning athletes who violate the honor code, as compared with non-athlete students who violate the honor code. I've been a BYU fan for almost 40 years, and was much more satisfied with how BYU enforced their honor code prior to the current, overly self-righteous administration.

Alex 1
Tucson, AZ

When I first heard the news, I thought that perhaps there goes our March Madness. Then my heart took courage and I had a thought. Even though we intend to keep our honor even if it hurts us, who says we will not succeed in spite of our loss. If we do what is right, can we not we expect the blessings of God for it? Now don't get me wrong. I am NOT saying that God is now on the BYU side and the devil on the side of the other team. I do, however, believe that God honors those who keep their honor. Either way, we will be fine. We have cast our lot with honor and God is watching.

Colorado Reader
Littleton, CO

What if this isn't his first HC violation? What if he has had chance after chance? Unless we know all of the circumstances, we have no idea what is behind all of this. You can make all the accusations and judgments agains BYU or Davies you want for this. But I guarantee you that this action was not taken lightly nor was it an easy decision for BYU to suspend him from the team! It wasn't easy for Davies to come forward either! He obviously respects the honor code and BYU or he wouldn't have come forward. Whatever he did must have been killing him on the inside. The kid made a big mistake, but I for one respect both Davies and BYU for owning up to it and following through. You can say all you want that premarital sex is not that big of a deal. I think Brandon Davies would disagree with you! He knows what he did was wrong and he is taking care of it. I RESPECT that! We all make mistakes, I for one am glad that mine are not open for discussion on a public forum!

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

I suspect any remaining support for the suspenion to evaporate with each loss - especially those coming in the MWC tournament and the NCAA tournament. The question that BYU administration has to ask themselves is how important is fan support? How important is national recognition? Is losing ok ? Does every honor code violation HAVE to require automatic suspension from the team or is there a better way that helps both the player , the team and the school? I think the answer to some of these questions will be answered before the end of March for sure.

slgs5aggie
Cedar City, UT

Kind of amazed at some of the comments. Some have stated their confusion that he was kicked off the team but not kicked out of school? Last time I checked athletics were still an EXTRA-CURRICULAR activity. College education is still supposed to be the main reason why a person attends, a college. It seems to me to be more fair to allow him to stay enrolled in school, but disallow him those extra activities. In High school if a student breaks some rules, such as getting failing grades, the get kicked off the team first. If they break other rules such as laws, then they would be kicked out of school. BYU clearly stated that an honor code violation occurred, not specifying what it was, but said it was not criminal. Seems to me that they took the "least restrictive" route, which for this Student Athlete is a giving him the lesser punishment. This to me shows their making the punishment fit the crime.

CordonBleu
Park City, UT

Without knowing all of the facts, it's impossible to fairly judge Brandon or the BYU administration on how he was or will be disciplined.

But, BYU has a duty not to divulge confidential information to the public.

And that is the real dilemma that BYU faces.

BYU can't fully explain it's actions without revealing the details that led to those actions. And, BYU can't reveal the details that led to their decision without breaking their word to keep such information private.

It's unfortunate, though, that BYU doesn't have some sort of happy medium, where a player's serious indiscretions could be address through probation and being banned for a certain number of games, rather than outright dismissal from the team and possiblly being kicked out of school, especially if it's a first offense and the athlete came forward to confess voluntarily.

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