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Published: Wednesday, March 2 2011 4:39 p.m. MST

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JustintimeY
Boise, Id

Every thing that Jimmer and this team has done positive for the church just went out the window with the honor code. their are many non members that had joined the BYU basketball bandwagon that are now asking why? Jimmer and the basketball team in general had been getting much positive attention on line. Now the talk has all turned to the honor code and it is mostly negative from a non member perspective. Disapointment as a fan would be an understatement.

nottyou
Riverton, UT

You break the rules, you pay the price. We like it that way and we don't care what people think or how negative it may appear. If you sign on the dotted line, make sure you keep your commitment. You make the choice. Thank you very much.

Silence Dogood
Caliente, NV

The beauty of a private school is that you don't have to have someone there if they are not willing to play by your rules.

cldstar
Twin Falls, ID

@JustintimeY

I'm confused. Do you really mean to say that BYU's adherence to the honor code is _hurting_ the church's image? Maybe it's hurting the basketball team's chance for playoffs, etc., but requiring student athletes to suffer the consequences for their actions is absolutely, morally the right thing to do. Anyone whose opinion the church or BYU should care about will see that.

One of the worst things we ever did as parents was not uniformly enforce the consequences we said we would impose for misconduct by our children. They came to believe (and we're working hard to disabuse them of this idea) that Mom and Dad's rules have no teeth, and therefore misconduct is no big deal.

worf
Mcallen, TX

My non-Mormon friend has nothing but praise for BYU.-- Way to go! It's good to see someone with values and sticking with it.

Times have changed. We don't even expect our political leaders to be truthful or honest. As much as this hurts the basketball team, I find character refreshing, and yes, I'm ashame of those who whine of an easy to live honor code.

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ahfclass
Orem, UT

Justintime Y from Boise:

Did you open even one link on this article and read it? The blog link? The ESPN link? The CBS link? They all speak very positively of how refreshing it is to see a university put honor and integrity above athletics. There are polls attached to some of these national opinions, too. The overwhelming majority are voting in favor of BYU's enforcement of the honor code.

owlmaster2
Kaysville, UT

I'm an outsider on this issue but if any institution has rules, I'm sure that they don't keep them a secret.
If he knowingly broke a rule that called for dismissal, the load is on the players shoulders. Don't attack the rule maker. If you are upset go after the rule breaker.

Go Utes

hedgehog
Ann Arbor, MI

It seems every three months we need to mourn and grieve for yet another *Honor Code casualty.

When you have such immortal rules placed upon mortals what do you expect? I guess disappointment is what your striving for... because it's inevitable.

BYU is in a tough spot. To change said codes to something more attainable would prove to by hypocrital to what is preached.

sammyg
Springville, UT

Justintimewarp

For every negative comment, story, opinion, etc. that's generated over this there will be countless others that will inquire about and come to an understanding and appreciation for BYU's Honor Code. Once again, this media attention will come out more positive and more important than the sports program.

By the way, we're only talking about one player here. Last I heard Jimmer and company are still around and the team is ON for tonight.

uh... mark it down!

Go Cougars!

sammyg
Springville, UT

"BYU is in a tough spot."

LOL. Hardly!

In the grand scheme of things I would say that you, hedge, are in a tough spot.

Day in and day out creating contention when you could choose to do something much more positive in your life.

byufootballrocks
Herndon, VA

BYU confirmed that Brandon Davies committed no criminal act.
ESPN reported that he is "very remorseful."

Therefore, was it really necessary - honestly now - and compassionate, to:
1) publicly announce that he had violated the honor code?
2) make that announcement just over 24 hours after first becoming aware of the violation?
3) make this announcement at this time, when all eyes are on BYU because of the NCAA run?

The net effect of this is to make Brandon's repentance process much harder, because of the additional load one is made to bear because the entire world knows! We're talking about a precious human life - a 19-year-old. What a burden to carry!

When you punish it is very important to not do it in a way that has the potential to destroy the person.

Wouldn't it have made more sense to suspend him "for a violation of team rules" and then address the issue of the potential release of his suspension after the tournament, when the attention dies down?

I am very loyal to BYU and the leaders of the Church and I believe this was not done right. The damage is done.

trueconservative
Northern Utah, UT

I think this whole situation is sad. Did Brandon know better? You bet he did, however does the whole world need to know about it? I wish this had been done a little more privately. Sure Brandon is just like any other student and should face consequences, but repentance is a very private affair and should remain so. I think BYU should have just told the media that he was out for the season period, and should have left it at that.

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

Re byufootballrocks and others:

Your compassion is admirable, but the truth is always the best route, even when it is hard. Imagine the uproar and potential harm to both the university and Brandon had they taken your advice and then more information somehow came to public knowledge. The concept of letting it out there in degrees keeps the spotlight on longer, calls into question the university's honesty and integrity, and casts lingering doubt and speculation on Brandon.

This is exposure the church and BYU did not want, but make no mistake. Many people are impressed with a principled stand, and many more will be impressed with Brandon's integrity and courage when he makes his comeback.

Please people, let your only thoughts and prayers be for a young man who is hurting, and all others who are hurting with him. The church, BYU and the team will all be fine.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

"Now the talk has all turned to the honor code and it is mostly negative from a non member perspective. "

I don't know, the honor code seems silly to most non-members but... they tend to respect BYU for not suspending Brandon for games against Youngstown State and Northern New Jersey A&M Technical Institute of State University.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

"Therefore, was it really necessary - honestly now - and compassionate, to:
1) publicly announce that he had violated the honor code?
2) make that announcement just over 24 hours after first becoming aware of the violation?
3) make this announcement at this time, when all eyes are on BYU because of the NCAA run?
"

Yes, because you cannot possibly bench a starter the rest of the season for the currently No. 3 team in the nation without having someone asking "uhhhh what happened to him?".

washcomom
Beaverton, OR

BYU is a private school, not public, and in essence it's their Honor Code the differs them from all the "ordinary" public and private schools. Even the other private schools have some sort of honor code, but is not as strict as BYU's. BYU is known to be a stone sober school, a "no-party" school, and one that has impeccably high standards. ESPN and other news agencies have no business judging BYU for their standards.

As a player, you sign the dotted line saying you will follow what is wanted there, and you have signed your integrity on the line. If you can't follow through, then don't go there. Find another school that fits your lifestyle, but don't throw the teammates under the bus because you don't like the rules of the school.

dalry23
Santa Maria, CA

Hedgehog,

I don't often agree with you but when I do I'll give you your due. Well said on your 6:49 PM comments!

TexasMom
Flower Mound, TX

dalry23 and Hedgehog,

I completely disagree with both of you...unless I happen to be immortal...and my husband, sister, brother-in-law, and many many more people I know because we never violated the Honor Code. And I'm pretty sure we're not perfect so I guess we can't be immortal. Perhaps the Honor Code is just strict and not impossible.

diddy
Salt Lake City, Utah

The school should not have used this unfortunate situation to show that it's willing to stick to it's guns. Yes we understand it's the honor code. Yes we understand that you want to be perceived as a school with standards. Where is the integrity and compassion in airing the situation in the media to be viewed as the beacon. You're using this young man's mistake as pr. He should have been released for violating team rules and it should have been left at that. He wouldn't have to go through this scrutiny but... BYU wouldn't get the exposure.

jameslaramie
laramie, wy

You have much to be proud of in BYU. The school held to its principles, ragardless of the potential fallout as regards the basketball team's performance. I believe Mr. Davies, in being forthright on the issue, has also handled this well. He knew what he signed for when he agreed to represent BYU in athletics, and even though perhaps only a mistake, there are consequences. I am hard put to think of another program in this country that would demonstrate such integrity, and if Mr. Davies is remorseful I would hope the University leadership would allow him another chance next year.

This just isn't seen in college athletics anymore and you in Utah may count a non-Mormon Wyoming native and true blood Cowboy fan as impressed. Very impressed. (That said, I still must root against BYU at all times as a matter of course. It's professional for people like me. Genetic, even...)

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