Rational:So, in your world, saying this at a press conference:
"I hate everything about them. I hate their program, their fans. I hate
everything," and then offering a weak non-apology, is better than saying
something intended solely for private consumption at a private team meeting,
particularly when the later comes out years later only in response to the
former.A little too hypocritical for you Y-ners to be telling others
to "stay classy," don't you think?
I was at the game. Some San Diego fans were dispicable. But since their school
does NOTHING to prevent or correct it, they know they can get away with
anything. Yes, their coach may have sent out an email asking for civility, but
they need security at the doors to weed out the offensive before they can even
get in the door. Simple.
Duckhunter,yeah, those fans exist, we get it. The point is, while
the BYU fans might not be "hate filled bigots", there are still plenty
who behave just as poorly in other ways. To see it, it would require that you
pull your hands away from your eyes. Good grief you are insecure!
Fan misbehavior is not new. It can be found at any home game at any facility,
including the Marriott Center. I guess Mr. Wright missed the "he who is
without sin, let him cast the first stone" story in the bible.
I find it ironic that the only mention of BYU fans' behavior is this line:
"BYU has its own share of fans that have probably crossed the line." I
have seen disgusting displays of bad sportsmanship from BYU. SDSU isn't the only
university that should be called out in this article. I am LDS, and I am no fan
of the arrogant, holier-than-thou BYU students and supporters.
So another fan behavior article and another attempt by ute "fans" to
pretend the classless behavior is equal. It isn't and it isn't even close.Certainly many of utah's fans are LDS, I know plenty of them. And
certainly a majority of utah's fans are good people, I know plenty of those. But
there is a very large, and very vocal, segment of utah "fans" that are
vulgar hate filled bigots that take pride in being vulgar hate filled bigots and
behave exactly like you would expect vulgar hate filled bigots to behave. The fact that the LDS ute fans not only fail to admit these low lifes
exist but actually try to pretend there is a segment of BYU fans equally
depraved as these classless low life individuals is the only thing about it that
offends me.The lowlifes behavior doesn't offend me because they are
afterall lowlifes. They tacit approval, or conscious decision to ignore these
lowlifes by people who otherwise claim to be good LDS people is the offensive
thing.Yes big ben and mormon ute and all you other LDS ute fans know
this is true. You know it.
It's nice to hear it from the mouth of someone else (not associated with the Y.)
It was a classless display, and there is no other way to explain it.There are some things in our culture that are simply taboo. You don't mock
one's religion--regardless of how easy the target may be. It is simple-minded
and speaks to one's intellectual and moral inferiority to resort to cheap
shots.I speak for many when I say that we are excited to move on where we
will fit in much better in the WCC.
It was funny - if you're too sensitive to see that, then don't go to games at
your opponents arena. I've been to plenty of byu v Utah football
and basketball games down in Provo and each time I've had stuff said to me from
the home crowd. I realize that it is an intense rivalry and that comes with the
territory.You've got expect immature behavior from college students
at every arena in the NCAA - it is too bad that adults continue that behavior
after graduation but it happens accross the nation. Just recently a guy was
arrested for poisoning over a hundred year old tree at Auburn.Everyone just move on and enjoy the season - afterall, it's so close to
tournament time which is the best time of the year!
Hey Cats,Maybe you've seen BYU fans throw drinks at cheerleaders. Or
maybe you heard BYU fans taunt Andre Miller because of his SAT score. In my
view, these things are more despicable when done by BYU fans because they
purport to hold themselves to a higher standard. -an LDS Ute.
I laugh at how dishonest Utah fans and some Utah State fans are about BYU. I
have NEVER, ever, been to a BYU game wherein a BYU student section shouts in
unison "Push it" (say that ten times really quickly and tell me what
it sounds like). I have however been to a BYU-Utah State game in Provo this
year where Aggie fans did.I love the YouTube video of Utah fans
before a game at RES drinking alcohol shots out of cups passed around in a
Sacrament Tray. How about the fan at RES during the TCU game that
had the sign: "I hate two things: Texas and Christians"So vulgarity in mass unison and denigrating someone's religion is something
you see at BYU?? R I G H T. You will invariably have some yahoo who
screams at the top of his lungs at the referees, or boo some Utah guard who
drops a three from long range then struts around the court afterward, but never
in 30 years have I witnessed the type of behavior this author mentions at Cougar
Stadium or the Marriott Center. If you have bring proof.
@Sore Loser - You got Jimmered does not mean anything vulgar. It means that your
team encountered the previously under appreciated, currently 'irresistable
force' which is Jimmer Fredette. Hyperbole yes; vulgarity no. If you look for
offenses - you don't have far to look. You can find them everywhere.
How about we choose not to be offended, like we were admonished in GC by an
apostle a few years ago.
Things were pretty mellow at the SDSU game compared to some other rivalries.
The worst I have attended and left early was the Pistons at the Heat in Miami.
However, that said, we still have a long way to go to be civil. I give BYU,
Utah, and SDSU a "C" in sportsmanship in arena fans...good and bad.
The A team of arena fans I have met still goes to Notre Dame, Iowa State, and
Memphis. We can do better.
Sore Loser - I was not going to comment until I saw yours. Again, someone making
one brush stroke remark. As a Utah fan at the Nov. UU/BYU football game I saw
some BYU fans in line waiting to get into the stadium complaining outloud and
taking offense to everything not Blue. But, that is not the norm. All of the
fans on both sides in our section were classy and we all had a lot of fun
together. For every Yner there is a group of awesome Cougars too.
The Ute fans to this, the Show does that, UNLV uses naughty words, BYU is
hypocritical . . blah, blah, blah. The sad fact is, otherwise reasonable people
can throw all good taste and common sense out the window when it comes to
sports. Schools without honor codes can't really be expected to control what
10,000 students chant at any given time.Just take the high road.
Most of the Mormon-centric jokes (wearing shirts and ties, etc) is innocuous
enough. I may not find it to be the height of hilarity (ho ho; missionaries wear
white shirts and ties; HAR!), but then Larry the Cable Guy has a huge fan base,
too. The unfortunate ones are the ones that actually perpetuate false
stereotypes (the kid with the "Hi, Moms" t-shirt was particuarly
disappointing, though funny). I came to grips a long time ago that while making
fun of various groups in society is punishable by public internet flogging,
making fun of Mormons is not only acceptable, but is the sport of choice for
some folks. I figure it's their problem, not mine.
Take the Mormon church out of it and imagine fans are taunting Catholics, Jews,
Blacks, Gays - whatever. Clearly there is some double standard about how some
groups are hands off and with others we turn a blind eye. Hateful behavior in
the sports arena leads to hateful behavior elsewhere. I read one article that
said a 10 year old turned up with a sign at the SDSU game about Mormons'
multiple wives because their parents told them to do it. Teaching anti-Mormon
propaganda in Evangelical churches is just as bad and will lead some wacko to
burn churches or other hateful acts against property and people.I'm
not saying we Mormons are without fault - we all need to look at this and see
how it feels and then alter our own behavior. I just feel bad for society
because we have become a bunch of hateful tribes instead of unified around
common principles and values that lift people.
Big_Ben, Hard to believe anyone from "Somewhere in time"
"Immature and showing your bias"? Get a grip! "Beam in your
eye"? The writer acknowledged some BYU fans get out of line but every one
of you, if you have any honesty at all, know there are levels of bad
sportsmanship. Throwing candy on the floor during the game...throwing a cup at
Jimmer's head, that is clearly over the line. The writer also didn't take issue
with the missionary attire. What really bothers me is so many BYU
students and fans are so intimidated by those of you who claim Cougar fans are
over-sensitive, that they bend over backwards and join the voice that nothing is
out of bounds. There are levels of acceptability in a society that isn't
completely bankrupt of civility.
As a BYU fan, I have been at games where I was embarrassed by the behavior of
other BYU fans--yes, I agree that there are great fans and boorish fans at every
school. Same with the players, I suppose. I agree that those who
indulge in "over-the-top" behavior should be called on the line and
encouraged to show more class. It doesn't matter if they are at BYU, Utah, Utah
State, SDSU, etc.I remember many years ago when the BYU football
team traveled to Notre Dame and many of the BYU players and fans remarked about
the great respect they were shown by essentially everyone at Notre Dame. Kudos
to ND, but I am sure that they have their "bad apples" as well. It's funny--I have a neighbor who is a wonderful man--"salt of the
earth", as they say. Very kind, very concerned about anyone in need, etc.
But when he is at a game where his team is playing, he is so loud in protest of
every remotely "questionable" call by the refs and so caustic that
even his fellow fans are embarrassed to be near him. Go figure.
"I have seen no mention of the "F-bomb" Jimmer blatantly dropped
when the camera was zoomed in on his face."I saw that too... I
was hoping he really didn't say that.I'd like to see the documented
numbers of those Cougar fans who are touting that the any incidents by BYU fans
are FAR less in number than those of Utah or Utah State fans. I never knew
there was an official study done??? Please provide proof, otherwise, you
just sound like a Homer!
Every time I hear the chant 'you got jimmered' I wonder, "are you really
saying to the opposing team 'you got screwed'? Why don't you just say
'you got screwed' and leave Jimmer's name out of it. That's a familiar term
given to him by his mom and anybody with any kind of human decency should
recognize that as an inappropriate thing to say. You know, when you win a game
the players generally congragu;late the other team for a good game. If any of
the cougars were to say that to one of the opposing players in a one on one
situation, you might get the response while you are face down on the ground that
'you just got what you deserved big mouth'.Clean it up BYU and it will
actually be more fun for you.
@ Big_BigTotally believe Cats as I have seen similar incidents
numerous occasions over the years. A couple of years ago, we watched two very
unlikely (will leave it to your imagination what I am talking about) BYU fans
prance through LES wearing BYU paraphanalia flipping off the crowd and cursing
like sailors. By coincidence saw them join up with a group of Ute fans after
the game-laughing their heads off about their masquerade as Cougar fans. What
fun making your hated rivals look bad. This happens far more frequently than
you would care to admit. Tired of Ute fans trying to justify the antics of a
minority (although sizeable) of their fans.
After reading this article and visualizing the final sub two minutes. I'm not
so sure that Coach Fisher himself didn't agree with how the crowd was behaving.
Normally 9-10 points wouldn't to most coaches who are coaching a lot of talent
be enough not to keep trying down to the final buzzer, everything possible to
turn the tide... especially the intentional foul. At about the minute and a
half mark it seemed the Aztecs backed off and refrained from using the
intentional foul. I can't see that the reasoning was to prevent points from the
foul line. I actually think Fisher may have intentionally done this out of
respect for Coach Rose, for the BYU players and also for the benefit of showing
the enormous respect that he holds for his own players. If that were the
case... which I personally feel it was. What a tremendous example of true
sportsmanship exhibited by a class coaching personality. Way to Go Coach
I'm more disappointed in BYU's abuse of their own team when things aren't going
well than I am in others' fans treatment of BYU's teams.I remember
hearing a fan yelling for a BYU quarterback to get hurt because he didn't think
that quarterback was playing well. THAT is classy...
I think the thing that impressed me most is the players and coaches on both
sides. Sports are much more fun when you respect your opponent - and then try
your best to beat them within the confines of the rules. A+ to both BYU
and SDSU coaches and players. What's the point of insulting the other team. If
you win - you already told everyone how bad the opponent was. If you lose - you
have egg on your face.
It is obvious that many of the commentators here have not seen much of the real
world outside the intermountain west. To see a real rivalry ride down Market
Street in Dallas the night before an OU-Texas rivalry game and you will hear
things that you will never hear in Utah even at RES. Of course, none of it ever
refers to your religious beliefs-but to your origins and your mother's origins,
etc. Some of it pretty intense often fueled by lots of alcohol.I
have seen much worst behavior at various Big XII football and basketball games.
Understand that there is some pretty nasty rivalries in the SEC where some idiot
goes so far as poisoning trees on his rivals campus. You want to see
crazy-attend a game at Duke's Cameron Arena.Please allow me to add a
point about the BYU-Utah rivalry. Yes, indeed there are occasional incidents
at LES in Provo, but they are far less agressive and by FAR less in number than
happen to BYU fans in Salt Lake. Too many Utah fans attempt to justify
behavior of their own by exaggerating behavior of a small% of BYU fans.
JohnInSLC | 4:33 p.m. March 1, 2011 Cottonwood Heights, UTbigsoccer:I constantly need to remind Y-ners that the comments by
Alex Smith and Morgan Scalley were made at private team meetings, not at a
televised press conference after a game, like Max Hall's comments. See any difference there, or is the beam in your eye too big?----------------I see the difference. Max Hall didn't hide in the
dark. Max Hall didn't serve a mission and then say he "hated" the
school his church sponsored. Max Hall didn't say he hated the school many of his
coaches proudly graduated from. Max Hall owned up to and apologized for his
comments. How'd I do? Did I notice all the "differences"?
I am not a byu fan, but I was in attendance on Saturday, and I can assure you
that SDSU's student section was offensive and crude. I know that you byu fans
would love to give yourself any and all reasons to compare the MUSS or Utah's
fanbase to others, however, this comparison is ridiculous and offensive. I was
appalled with the behavior I witnessed from The Show last Saturday morning.
Remember that the University of Utah has a large LDS Contingency as well as
boosters. Not all Mormons go to byu. Get your facts straight.
It happens at every school. I'd hardly worry about it. Being a Cougar fan and
having gone to games at Utah, the key is to just keep your head down and cheer
for your team. The opposing crowd is always looking to start something. Just
don't give it to them.Classiest fans that I have ever run into are
1)Oklahoma, 2)Notre Dame...and I hate both school's football teams with a
passion. Doesn't mean I have to treat them rudely.
Never mind SDSU. UNLV has always been the ugliest visitor experience for a BYU
fan. Has no one else heard those knuckle-dragging mouth-breathers chant "B
- Y - censored - U!"? (In the fashion of our B - Y - U - Cougars!)
i attended the SDSU/BYU game at the Marriott Center last month and was not so
impressed by the behavior I saw there. if i'd have taken my kids to the game i'd
have either had to ask multiple people to tone it down or i would have had to
take my boys out of the environment.the sad difference there is it
wasn't the student section that was out of control, it was the middle aged and
older men. and their angst wasn't directed at the players, but at the referees.
it was pretty disheartening. cougar fans have just as much work to do on our
behavior as do other school's fans.
Does all of this really matter, we all need to be classy, period. We are 3 in
the nation, who cares that people mock us, it's a basketball game for heck
sakes. Let's concentrate on this great year we are having, let's stay positive.
I'm really proud of this team and the coaches. Go Cougs
Really? Do you complain this much after every road game? Sounds to me like you
just went into this looking to be offended. Just because everyone else does it
doesn't make it right.... but... yeah... I'd say the student section as a whole
was pretty tame compared to most, and yes, one idiot threw candy on the court,
apparently that one person represents all 12,414. Ironically, I have seen no
mention of the "F-bomb" Jimmer blatantly dropped when the camera was
zoomed in on his face.
We're not talking about individual opinions of players. Team meetings, or in in
interview...doesn't matter. The article is about fans in the stands. Please point out the profane chants and rants directed to the U when the game
is at LES. Also, could willary please point out the taunting of religious
leaders taking place at LES by BYU fans. While you're at it, let me know how
often root-beer gets poured on family members of U players at LES. That's the real problem here. People try to draw a paralell between player's
comments vs actual fan behaviour. Nice try.
Forget the fans. I thought both teams were classy on the floor. That's where it
counts! Ute fan from Socal.
Dear BYU fans: As a fellow Mormon, I'm kindly asking you so cease and desist
being fans of BYU athletics. My observation is that you can't seem to handle the
bad or good that happens to your favorite program. I know we're a
peculiar people, but must you take it so far? I've heard that BYU has a great
folk dance team and some good ice cream. Let's stick to these less controversial
achievements until you learn to handle national success and scrutiny with grace.
Am I the only one who doesn't believe the story that Cats said?
I thought their fans were great until they started chucking stuff on the floor.
I believe that BYU has the beam in the eye. I have seen awful behavior from BYU
fans, students in particular, who claim to be disciples of Christ.
I think these SDSU guys took a page right out of the aggie playbook. They've got
some work to do though if they want to reach the aggie level of immaturity.
bigsoccer:I constantly need to remind Y-ners that the comments by
Alex Smith and Morgan Scalley were made at private team meetings, not at a
televised press conference after a game, like Max Hall's comments. See any difference there, or is the beam in your eye too big?
Yeah the Religous taunting is out of hand but anytime you go to any sporting
event you are going to hear those "cheers protesting the refs call."
That's life you can't expect people to live your culture for you everywhere you
P.S....When I was driving down from SLC for the BYU/Utah football game a couple
of years ago, I actually saw a car with big signs in the windows that said,
"UTAH SUCKS." When we got closer we could easily see that everyone in
that car was wearing a red Utah sweatshirt. It was clearly an attempt to make
BYU fans look bad. Real Class!!!
Williary--FYI, the "Na na na na, Hey Goodbye" wasn't
directed to Boylen. That's been one of my favorite cheers at BYU games for
several years, directed at any great rival who leaves Provo with a defeat. It
was sung against UNLV and SDSU this year as well. So if you take offense at it
and think that it was a reference to Boylen's employment, then I'm sorry, you've
got it all wrong.I do believe there are several poor fans on both
sides of any game. And there are several great ones (this is a shoutout to the
Ute sitting next to me at the HC who was wanting 50 from Fredette) who
appreciate skill no matter what the jersey color is. Those are the fun ones.But I agree with the writer here...I think that anytime the announcers
themselves have to suggest switching camera angles for fear of showing a fan's
sign, you've probably got a problem there. Not saying that it doesn't happen at
BYU...just remarking that SDSU needs to tone it down a bit. Maybe not playing
them for a couple years is a good thing.
socalcougar!you hit the nail on the head. There are bad fans
everywhere. To say "the worst fans are at school x" or "the fans
of school z are the most immature" is just showing your bias.
I attended both BYU and Utah. I have attended games at both universities. I
have very occassionally seen a BYU fan behave badly and when they do, it makes
me cringe. BUT, I have NEVER seen ANY BYU fan behave in ways that I
have seen MANY Utah fans and Utah State fans behave. I've never seen any BYU
fan attack anyone's religion. I've never seen any BYU fan throw garbage at old
men as they are walking up the stands. I've never seen any BYU fan use filthy
language in attacking the leader of another Church or school. I've never seen
any BYU fan makes signs attacking the women of another university. I have seen
this kind of behavior over and over again from Utah and Utah State fans. It's
both childish and disgusting. As far as SDSU goes, I have a sense
of humor. I actually thought the missionary costumes were funny. But, they
were intended to be mean and when SDSU was about to lose, they became filthy and
ugly. Too bad the fans don't have the class of their coach and their team.
Really did someone just bring up Max Halls comments on here? What about Morgan
Scalley's or Alex Smiths comments? I don't think the SDSU fans are funny at all
they are obnoxious immature students, who most couldn't figure out that people
were cutting in line to get tickets.
Fellow Latter-day Saints, is any of this new to us? The world doesn't care about
insulting us or mocking us, it never has, and that will never change. A lot of
this stuff is not different really than what happens at any college basketball
game anywhere in the country. Fans of the home team routinely find some hook
they can use to taunt visiting opponents, and for BYU, it's our faith. Get used
to it. In fact, take a little solace in the Lord's words to Moroni: "Fools
mock, but they shall mourn." I reckon a good deal of mourning was done in
San Diego after Saturday's game. The Cougars had the last laugh, and that's just
fine with me.
They are much improved. SDSU student sections used to moon the opposing bench
at EVERY home football game. I didn't see any of that. Good job Aztecs.
I agree with the others who posted. I didn't think SDSU fans were that bad, but
I didn't attend the game. If the worst thing they can say is "wives for
rent" then I'm fine with that. I don't understand the dressing up as a
missionary thing, but it also doesn't bother me. I've been to games at the U
that were much worse. I've also been to games at the U were I sat by some very
respectiful Utah fans that made me realize that it isn't fair to paint fans of
one team with just one brush. You get all types with all schools. I was sitting
three rows behind the kid who jumped over the railing at LES and tackled the
cheerleader from Utah, who then turned the tables on the BYU fan. I'm not proud
of that BYU fan but he doesn't represent anyone else--not even those of us
sitting close to him. The classless fans do their own damage by looking stupid
to everyone who sees them. They are their own punishment.
Is it also classy for fans to chant "Na Na Na Na, Hey Hey, Goodbye"
after beating your rival at home in regards to their coach possibly being fired?
I believe that has occurred in Ray Giacoletti's last game in Provo, as well as
just occurred with Jim Boylen a few weeks ago.Having travled to many
Utah sporting events on the road, the worst experiences I've ever had with
opposing fans were at UCLA for football and BYU for both football and
basketball, hands down. But I'm sure there's a valid excuse for all of those
instances right Cougar fans.
Stay Classy, SDSU? What about Stay Classy, BYU?We are frequently
reminded about 1984, so isn't it fair to go back just a few years to a certain
BYU quarterback and his comments after his senior year meeting with Utah? How
about a BYU basketball player who graduated last year, who on national TV in a
moment of angst mouthed what appeared to be profanity?When composing
an article like this, is it not convenient to remember those instances, where we
have had to explain why a representative of BYU would do something like that?
Or is it okay because they are on the team, not just fans of the team?Maybe it is time to reload this article, and remind BYU players and fans that
letting their light shine is what is intended, to avoid future situations as
I hope you realize that this behavior is seen at every sporting event at every
school. There are "bad and rude" fans everywhere. Unfortunately they
give the entire school a bad name. I sat at the USU/BYU basketball game this
year as an Aggie fan with my family and was appalled at the harsh comments and
gestures that were sent our way when cheering for the Aggies. So don't think
that BYU is above this. I am man enough to admit that my team has fans that are
Guess what... BYU won't have to worry about the awful SDSU fans after next week.
As a BYU fan, I don't find SDSU fans that offensive. They are clever and funny.
Given I've never been to a game there as a BYU fan, but I have been to plenty at
the U. Utah fans try to be as offensive and make more religious references. I
have never had a positive experience in Salt Lake City for a rivalry game. I
went to the BYU vs Notre Dame game a few years ago and couldn't have had more of
a blast and respect from their fans. I hope that they will feel the same when
their fans come to Provo.
SDSU isn't so bad, trying and succeeding at being funny. Try going into the muss
as a byu fan at the byu utah football game. People were making fun of the temple
and specifically sacred things. They were spitting, throwing food, and blowing
tabacco and possibly a little pot smoke on us, slapping women, soft punching,
and at one point we had 50 fans chanting a particular expletive-laden chant at
I'd suggest that the language, chants, etc. of SDSU fans would receive a similar
rating as the film "Anchorman" depicting the great Ron Burgundy. So
since you clearly enjoyed that movie, I don't think you should be too offended.