Testimony: DeChristopher 'laughed' when told tally of his bids
He broke the law with full knowledge that he was breaking the law. Now he needs
to pay the full penalty required by breaking the law.
"Imagine if you were speeding to get your wife to he hospital and you
received a ticket. Would you want the jury to know why you were
speeding?"That's called the "necessity defense", and
it can only be argued by the defense if the judge allows it, which the judge has
not for fairly obvious reasons in this case. The necessity defense
is for cases where a person clearly would be in imminent danger if a particular
law was followed, such as speeding to get your wife to the hospital; the
standard for using it has always been very narrowly defined, to keep it from
being misused to get out of responsibility for a clear crime...as in this case.
It has never been considered to include political arguments rooted in policy
disagreements, as Tim's case would be.
Tim did a stupid thing - now he has a debt to pay for the disruptions he has
caused. His actions have cost a lot of people a lot of money. He says he is
willing to go to prison and it looks like he will likely get that opportunity.
I just wonder how many of those so-called supporters of his illegal actions
would feel the same when someone breaks the law supporting something they do not
believe in? I would guess they would be howling for justice.
Rifleman | 12:49 p.m. March 2, 2011 It's not that simple.Imagine if you were speeding to get your wife to he hospital and you received
a ticket. Would you want the jury to know why you were speeding? There are mitigating circumstances that a reasonable person should be able to
take into consideration. Whether his reached that point or not should be up to
the jury. Neither you or I can make that decision as we are not sitting on the
jury and hearing all of the evidence.butters | 12:51 p.m. March 2,
2011 Ahh, the old guilty until proven guilty in a court of law theory. I
think I've heard of that..... In the Soviet Union.NT | 12:19 p.m.
March 2, 2011 It's a federal trial thus every citizen has an interest.
Coleman51 It is absolutely chillingly dangerous to turn our courts of law into
political forums, and allow a particular political opinion to be a valid defense
for committing a crime. That would probably be the quickest way to corrupt our
courts of law, which are supposed to be a neutral arbiter on whether a crime was
committed. Period. Oil and gas leasing near Yellowstone mars the view from the
Park, and contributes to global warming is a political argument that must be
made in the court of public opinion and in representative legislatures, not
repeat, NOT in unelected courts of law.Because if Tim gets a free pass
for a $1.8 million dollar auction fraud because he convinced a jury that oil
& gas leasing is bad policy, then I must get a free pass when I defraud the
ACLU out of $1.8 million dollarsits JUST THAT IMPORTANT to defeat the evil ACLU
in my sincerely held belief! Courts should never ever be reduced to a
political forum. Thats why we have legislatures.Damor yes, technically
they were oil & gas leases, but out in eastern Utah they were all going for
the natural gas rights.
looks like the people of My2Cents need to have their eyes opened...DeChristopher committed a crime.therefore,Dechristopher goes to court.
Re: dave | 8:48 a.m. March 2, 2011"This means that justice is
not only blind but ignorant."No, this means that the jury will
hear the evidence and determine the suspect's innocence or guilt based on his
actions. Tim DeChristopher either broke the law or he didn't, and as the judge
noted "federal land management policies" aren't on trial here.
@DanOStay right where you are and we'll be just fine. Oh, and stick
to one of your local papers where you can be assured there will be absolutely
nothing like the awful things we have going on here in Utah.
He is obviously guilty. Give him the appropriate sentence in prison.
Tim should be fined a sufficient amount to pay back the government for what his
actions have cost the government in time and resources.
Too bad that so many believe it is okay to break the law, if your intentions
were honorable. First, who determines what is considered honorable? Second,
what if I believe it is honorable to steal my neighbor's truck, because he has
told me he plans to drive it across my lawn and ruin my landscaping? Should I
then not be prosecuted for theft?
Rifleman | 6:51 a.m. March 2, 2011"The jury won't be asking
themselves what was going on inside his head when it comes time for them to
decide if he knowingly broke the law."This means that justice
is not only blind but ignorant.
TRUTH | 10:29 a.m. March 1, 2011 Could you explain how he could
possibly end up in the "UTAH STATE PEN!" when he is on trial for a
federal offense?You seem to take glee in the fact that he could be
I have no problem with his act of civil disobedience. My problem comes with his
desire to avoid the consequences of his action. If he truly believes in what he
is doing, is willing to go to prison for it, as another poster suggested, then
he should stand up in court plead guilty and accept what comes as the cost of
fighting for what he believes.
Here's a question about this story: It states that the defendant opposed the
"failed" management plans of the BLM. When the media talks about a
criminal event they use the word "alledged." Why are they reporting
the BLM policy was failed, instead of saying is was "alledgedly
failed" ? The defendant is playing politics here (imagine that) and has
been assisted by the media. Frankly, I'm not surprised by that, either. I
predict he will be found guilty, despite his top-gun defense attorney's best
efforts, as it's a pretty obvious case that what he did was illegal regardless
of his personal motivation.
2Bits--When the world is out of balance it will sometimes seem like stealing a
loaf of bread isn't that bad and those screaming for "Law and Order"
are often sheep who are the quickest to help slit offer up their own heads for
the sake of their oppressors (who they pray that they will someday allowed to be
exactly alike). You're going to have a tough time trying to convince someone of
your superiority by saying... "On every issue of law and order, I'm for it
and you're against it," over the next few years. If law and order is out of
whack, I don't mind being on the other side at all. It's called
"dissent," and each example of dissent has probably done more to help
our nation than 200 mindless followers.
There is no parole in the federal prison system. If convicted Tim DeChristopher
is looking at some serious time behind bars. The jury won't be asking
themselves what was going on inside his head when it comes time for them to
decide if he knowingly broke the law.
DeChristopher is a criminal - by his own admission - and deserves a verdict and
sentencing to pay the price of justice for his actions.Yengish
argued that other bidders were "forgiven" there bids but DeChristopher
wasn't... but the others HAD to be forgiven because of what DeChristopher did..
HE caused the problem, violated the law, and thinks he's a hero. It's actions
like his that give tree-hugging activists a bad name.Make it a
speedy trial and get him locked up!
Whether or not we agree with DeChristopher's political philosophy, we should
allow the jurors to recognize that this was a political act of disobedience and
not just a criminal act. The judge, by not allowing such a defense will create
an even bigger forum for his political views once this case is appealed. Jurors
should always be shown mitigating circumstances behind what on the surface
appears to be a criminal act.
Sounds like the people of Utah need to have their eyes and minds opened to the
truth. How many really believe that oil and gas leases benefit Utah? The fact is
none of them do. These oil and gas leases benefit speculators and the world
economy and none of the resources ever stay in this country let alone Utah. They
do not reduce oil and gas prices, they escalate oil and gas prices.The jobs are few and serve only as care takers, security guards (low paid as
well), of the wells and oil lines.We have only one source of land
and we don't need it mired in lies and destruction or our ecology that affects
not only wildlife but the human population as well. The US has matched the
process of out of control development that is destroying the quality of life for
every one.DeChristopher is the scapegoat of corruption and evidence
of wrong doing by the BLM and oil companies of the world.
I guess the problem with this whole thing is a normal person stands up for
something they believe in and goes to jail for a minor inconvinence to oil
companies. Wall street and the federal reserve drive our nation off the cliff
and no one really goes to jail.Our leaders do not represent us they
To FairEnough | 1:18 p.m. March 1, 2011Draper, UT This was not
a simple indiscretion; it was a criminal act of fraud involving a million
dollars! It affected numerous bidders in a legal auction. It was a violation of
law with penalties attached of which he was aware. A possible ten
years for a tiny moment in history? Truth is, in six months after he's sitting
in his cell, who in the world is going to care? Darrell Hannah? Yeah, right.
damor....President Bush leaves this kind of business in the hands of people who
know what they are doing. All of Utah is a "National Park" in the
minds of some people, especiazlly if they are outsiders looking in.
So, he did the crime.My question is: why so much time?Seriously, how do they justify such an outrageous fine and that hefty lockup
time?He could have KILLED someone at the bidding and gotten off
easier than this.This seems more worthy of a misdemeanor.
Robert Valentine:Us Utahans can't handle the natural resources you
so desperately want control of. We American's can't handle them. I don't know
who to give responsibility to. The question is comparable to asking who is it
better to hand a loaded shotgun to? A toddler or his drunken father? Neither.
The loaded shotgun is best left alone or better yet, unload it and get rid of
it. Natural resources aren't there to be used. This Earth isn't here to be used.
This Earth is here to be here. We need to live on it with as little damage as we
can. I don't care about job creations. This Earth doesn't care about job
creations. Worrying about job creation is inane and useless. Because who cares
if you have a job if you are dead! And that is were the planet is headed, to
I hope DeChristopher still has that smirky smile when he is behind bars...
I interviewed DeChristopher for a student newspaper. While he is fighting the
charges he is ready and willing to serve time if needed. He feels this strongly
about saving the environment and stopping global climate change. There should
be more people like him. Just because there is a law, doesn't mean that law is
just. Rosa Parks broke the law. The Founding Fathers broke the law. The were
rebels and refused dominion over themselves. This time DeChristopher is refusing
to let the land be dominated by corporate companies. He is fighting back. There
should be more like him. Many of you will be wishing you were more like him when
your children and your children's children are facing the growing food shortage,
dwindling drinkable water, ever increasing pollution and mass species
extinction. Why is one of the few people in Utah who thinks progressively being
punished? Because he broke the law, is the answer. Fair. But I say change the
law. This government is corrupt and sick. Wake up and look around. We can't
breathe, we can't eat, we can't do anything. Today I am not proud to be a Utahan
or an American.
Break the law; hug an inmate.
"Interesting how the liberals label him an activist. I always thought
breaking the law made you a criminal. "Like O'Keefe (the acorn
pimp) wiretapping a senators office?
Arguments against the development of Utahs minerals are inane. The trial of a
lying conman is a side issue. May DeChristopher be sentenced to pick up beer
cans in our national parks. The real conflict is the heavy-handed control of
Utahs natural resources by an oppressive federal government. Elitist
environmentalists dont care about people desperate for jobs in Utah. The aging
hippies chanting time-warped protest songs in front of the federal courthouse
dont have show up for work every day. To the enemies of job creation and
economic growth: Give us back the resources of our state. Give us freedom to
drill for oil and gas and to mine for coal responsibly. Most liberals don't
want coal, oil, gas, nuclear energy, wood-burning stoves, windmills in their
neighborhoods nor drilling for thermal heat. That leaves solar energy, which
most of us cannot afford.
DeChristopher is not a hero, but a thug with an agenda. Anyone with a cause
could justify any behavior outside of the law if his actions were at all
justifiable. His cause is suspect, his actions deplorable, and his actions
illegal. He should go to jail - for a very long time.As for all the
hollywood types running around, it may make DeChristopher feel good about
himself and his illegal activity, but his self-elevation is based on a mirage.
These out-of-state hollywooders are more about popular causes and making a
statement in the warped social circles than about what is best for the nation
and the planet. They may think they are doing something good, but supporting
the destruction of the rule of law will do more harm to this nation than ANY
marginal drilling that could have been done on a few parcels of land.DeChristopher is a crimminal who should see the world from behind bars. And
these misguided hollywoods are delusional activists who do more harm than good.
The fact that they are here should make every rational soul cringe.
It was for both Oil and Natural gas
I think a good measure of how much a man believes in democracy is how well he
follows those laws that he disagrees with. Of course, there are extreme
exceptions, such as if there were a "law" to kill 6 million Jews...but
for this guy to imply that selling natural gas leases is such a bad law that it
offends basic humanity in that way is just beyond absurd. A policy disagreement
on the selling of natural gas leases (because they might be in view from a
national park) does NOT rise to the level of such an evil law by any normal
standard. This guy's arrogance is just stunning.There's a reason
for laws against fraudulently running up bids. Those companies that really
wanted those leases were mostly small operators, and his fraudulently the price
could have cost them millions, and could have put many livelihoods at risk. He
was so blinded by leftist cartoons of oil companies that he apparently didn't
even care.And the irony is these weren't even leases for oil, that
Great Satan of enviros - they were for natural gas, which is about the cleanest
fuel we have.
I find it interesting that several years ago, BLM employees and Law Officers
stood by while citizens of Kane County rode their "four wheelers" into
the Pariah Wilderness area as a protest. Stood by. Did nothing. Yet when this
kid does something that causes less real harm, he has the whole Federal
Government come down on his head. Oh, I forgot, this is about money and big
business. The people and ideology that really run the country
They were by canyonlands and arches national parks if you google it you can see
articles that will tell you
Maybe he could just get Darryl Hanna to pry 1.8 mil out of her pocket and pay
for the leases. Then Tim could go free, there would be no drilling on the
precious leases, and we would all be able to watch her movies. Thus raising her
income to pay for more leases. No, lets go ahead and break the law and make
others pay for it.
I wonder why he "laughed" when told the tally of his bids?What did he find funny about it?Sounds like he's a little immature
and self obsessed to me (not a hero).
damor | 2:21 p.m.Were all the leases he bid on near National Parks?
I didn't know that! All were near National Parks?Is that true???---I love the National Parks as much as anyone. I visit
several each year. But I know you with modern technology you can do oil
exploration near SOME National Parks without impacting the National Park.I was doing some exploring on remote dirt roads outside Moab (near Dead
Horse Nat Mon) and we found an oil well... you couldn't even see it or know it
was there until you were right on the pad. I don't know what damage it was
doing. It didn't ruin our trip in the least... and people in the Park would
NEVER see it or even know it was there.
I say let him go...IF: he pays for the leases, then pays for for all of the
legal expenses that this fiasco has created....and agrees to 5 years in prison.
I would expect nothing less for a leftist to "laugh" at and mock the
rule of law. To be smug and arrogant about serious matters is just part of the
way they do business.
Seriously? This guy's so called lawyer claimed in defense that they
"could" have stopped him but didn't?? So it's their own fault? No
personal responsibility for DeChristopher?Then he has the nerve to
complain that everyone but the "sinner" received forgiveness?? They
only needed "forgiveness" because of what he did to mess it up.
Sheesh!It's lawyers like that who give the profession a bad name.
Not to mention the fact that, unfortunately, environmentalists will never make
any headway into convincing people the need to be more responsible with the
earth with irresponsible twits like DeChristopher as their poster child.
@FredEx:"Vehicles? Houses? A true environmentalist would walk
naked into the wilderness to be one with the Earth."Walking
naked in the wilderness? Would that be like cavorting with the bares?"Soon to be reclaimed by the Earth."I know what you
mean. As a Neanderthal I was reclaimed back in the Pleistocene era.
Tim DeChristopher will feel the hand of the law fall on him to suffocate his
stupid "activist" agenda. A willing martyr for a cause.At
least Tim will have a nice 9 by 9 cell to warm his flat bed and read the works
of Che Guevara to further radicalize himself for "revenge planning."
I sure don't want oil companies using our precious land here in utah by our
national parks. I think if all of us read up on this we would think that by
Pres Bush making it ok for the oil companies to bid on that land RIGHT BEFORE HE
WAS TO LEAVE OFFICE that he was a fool. Thank goodness that it is now
overturned and someone is looking out for our land here in Utah. Dont know
about everyone else but I enjoy our national parks here.
@Neanderthal"I wonder how many of those devoted supporters would be
willing to get rid of their gas burning vehicles and walk... and sit home in a
cold dark house."Vehicles? Houses? A true environmentalist
would walk naked into the wilderness to be one with the Earth. Soon to be
reclaimed by the Earth.
@ self-proclaimed "FairEnough,""If this were simply a
non-politicized case, a first-time offender would not receive jail time for such
an offense."Perhaps you could offer a few examples where a
first-time offender committed fraud that resulted in damages totaling over $1
million and they did not receive any jail time. You appear confident that this
would not happen in a "non-politicized case," so let's hear some
examples that support your claim.
@FredEx: "I wonder how many of those devoted supporters would be willing
to take Tim's place in prison?"I wonder how many of those
devoted supporters would be willing to get rid of their gas burning vehicles and
walk... and sit home in a cold dark house.
FairEnough 1:18 p.m. You seem to have a respect for rule_of_law...
so I wonder if you can help me understand something...Yesterday on
almost EVERY_TOPIC we were discussing in the Opinion section... the Left stood
firmly FOR disobeying the law... and the Right stood firmly for OBEYING the
rule_of_law.-DeCristopher (Left praised him for breaking the law...
Right criticized him for breaking the law).-Illegal_Immigration
(Left thought obeying immigration law is Optional... praised them for coming
illegally and supported those who came illegally... the Right just wants them to
respect our rule_of_law).-Wisconsin protests (Left supporting the
Democrat Legislators who left the State to sabotage the Legislative session in
violation of the Wisconsin Constitution they swore to uphold when elected...
Right just wants them to do their job, debate the bill, and cast their vote, as
required by Wisconsin law).Do you have an explanation for this
consistent dichotomy? Why radical-leftists think rule_of_law is OK
for others but not them... obedience optional because they are so Zealous their
personal agenda trumps the law... and consider rule_of_law to be obsolete and
automatically_nullified if it doesn't agree with them? I've always
wondered about this.
Give him probation to satisfy the law and honor and recognition to satisfy
justice. You people turn all Inspector Jalvert on the guy because
his cause doesn't align with your right wing denier politics. If
this were simply a non-politicized case, a first-time offender would not receive
jail time for such an offense.
Hasn't anyone ever seen Splash! Daryl Hannah was hot in that movie. I'm not
going to let a little fuss over a misunderstanding at some auction keep me from
watching that movie again.
Dennis | 10:39 a.m.What does any of this have to do with the
Church?So why try to bring them into it?
Drove by the court at 11:00 am this morning, apparently DeChristopher supporters
got their picture taken and are now off to support another cause.
@Dennis 10:39 a.m.The Church teaches us to obey, honor, and sustain
the law. Even if Church leaders had objected to the land sale, they never would
have condoned the commission of fraud.
Dear Dennis: No one would worry about it being next to a Church farm. No one
would even care. This is a silly comparison. The leases were legal and the
process was legal. And...The Church always honors and work within the bounds of
the law. The Dude Abides...global warming is NOT a viable defense
any more than Tom Green or Warren Jeffs can claim a defense based on their
belief that God gave them permission to marry underage girls. It will not make
an appeal successful. I think the guy should be happy to be a
martyr to his cause. If he's really committed to it, he will be thrilled to be
able to go to prison for it. We shall see.
Henry David Thoureau never lied about what he was doing. He was open and honest
about his civil disobedience.
If any of this land was adjacent to any of the "Church Farm" property
and the Church opposed the sale I'm wondering how many of you would be singing
this man's praises and pointing your fingers at the evil government and their
meddling in our lives?
Good for Utah...by Saturday, DeChristopher will be introduced to his new
bunkmate at the UTAH STATE PEN!
My family and I have decided to launch our own protest. We refuse ever to see
another Darryl Hannah movie! Oh wait----we already don't watch them.
I think its hilarious when people like to show their "individualism"
but then when it comes to court or trial, they clean themselves up and look like
they are trying to be part of the GOOD part of society. WHY clean yourself up?
COuld it be that our appearance says more about us than we think!!! This guy is
a CLASSIC example!
Interesting how the liberals label him an activist. I always thought breaking
the law made you a criminal.
The Judge requiring DeChristopher to rely on the lesser of possible defenses
will ensure that any conviction is appealed and opens a great line to appeal:
being denied a viable defense.
I wonder how many of those devoted supporters would be willing to take Tim's
place in prison? How many would do what he did, since they think it was so
noble?Oh, and Darryl Hannah, you should ask for a refund on all the
cosmetic work you had done.