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Dick Harmon: Dave Rose or Steve Fisher for national coach of the year?

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  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    March 2, 2011 10:22 a.m.

    If Dave Rose manages to salvage a 1 or 2 seed in the NCAA tournament without Brandon Davies, he deserves Coach of the Year.

  • GOAZTECS Provo, UT
    March 1, 2011 10:12 p.m.

    Not to take anything away from Coach Rose, he did a good job!
    But in all certainty Coach Steve Fisher from SDSU did way more with what he had to work with. Coach Fisher has also stepped up when MWC For coach at Wyoming was fired. Fisher said he deserved better than that, and was fined for his comment. Steve Fisher I say deserves it a little more.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    March 1, 2011 5:57 p.m.

    crowntown1

    Let's get real yourself.

    Dave Rose recruited Jimmer so Rose gets full credit for both building this BYU team and coaching it to BYU's current 27-2 record, #3 ranking.

    Only someone who doesn't understand anything about college basketball at all could have watched SDSU-BYU game last Saturday and not come away impressed that BYU is much more than the Jimmer Show. At least all of the experts who watched the game came away so impressed. So where does that leave you?

    Do you discount Phil Jackson because of Jordan and Kobe?

    How about Mike Krzyzewski, John Calipari, Roy Williams, or Jim Boeheim because of their seemingly endless strings of NBA talent?

    Great players and great coaches go hand-in-hand.

    What's very clear is your unwillingness to give Dave Rose credit for a great coaching job this year has nothing to do with Rose having a super-star on his team, but everything to do with your hatred of BYU.

  • Ernesto de Bajo Albuquerque, NM
    March 1, 2011 5:23 p.m.

    Here's guessing that if offered a choice between Coach of the Year and a #1 NCAA Tournament seed, Rose would take the later.

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    March 1, 2011 5:22 p.m.

    I am a BYU fan all the way and I think Dave Rose is fantastic. However, Coach Fisher has shown a ton of class and had done great things with his team as well. I would feel very comfortable with Coach Fisher receiving the COY award given the exceptional degree of class he has shown toward his competitors and in trying to promote good manners with his student fan base. Count my vote for Fisher this year!

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    March 1, 2011 5:10 p.m.

    It really depends on how you look at it. Are you going for the best overall team? Or are you going for the coach who exceeds expectations?

    Hmmm, I guess Rose wins both arguments. He has beat SDSU twice, which gives him the better overall team. He also has exceeded expectations by putting his team in the driver's seat to win the conference, when they were picked to finish 2nd.

    But, I dunno, maybe Miles at CSU deserves coach of the year. He certainly doesn't have the best team, but he has gotten them to exceed expectations by quite a bit. Although, if they continue to play as poorly this week as they did against Air Force, Miles won't deserve it anymore.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    March 1, 2011 4:16 p.m.

    @Crowntown1

    Granted you don't get Jimmer Fredette's all the time. However my friend... Rose is not an arguable commodity either. Very hardly not. His winning record speaks for itself. If Chris Collingsworth weren't out for the season it wouldn't be unreasonable to say that the point difference in both SDSU games could realistically have been in the low to mid high 20's. Losing him has been detrimental but Emery, Davies, Abouo and Hartsock have plenty talent to assure success after Fredette moves on. Kyle Collingsworth and Rogers have also gained experience off the bench which will be a critical factor. With Chris Collingsworth returning and several Return missionary players the BYU pump will be more than adequately primed and plenty of talented depth in reserve.

    The only thing you got right in your statement is that Jimmer is leaving after this year. Otherwise my friend your unmentionable waist banded colors are flapping in the breeze.

  • Hawk Littleton, CO
    March 1, 2011 2:29 p.m.

    Yeah, but Crowntown1, even if Fredette makes it in The League, Fisher's doing it with 2 or even 3 future NBA ballers -- even MORE strength to Rose's argument....

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    March 1, 2011 1:37 p.m.

    Let's get real here Coach Rose is a good coach but he is in the situation he is in because of one player. Take away Jimmer and BYU is just an average team.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    March 1, 2011 10:09 a.m.

    Both deserving but hasn't Rose beat Fisher and SDSU twice head to head. I think that should answer that question.

  • Cougs4Life Gilbert, AZ
    March 1, 2011 10:06 a.m.

    Since the article is comparing Rose to Fisher...let's take National COY out of the conversation since too many other factors will impact that.

    However, Rose should win MWC Coach of the Year without question!

  • Doctor J Manti, UT
    March 1, 2011 9:52 a.m.

    Fischer is a great coach...So is Rose...They are both having years worthy of National COY...somehow Dave Rose has come up with Two different ways to beat Fischer's #4 Aztecs this year...Amazing!

    COY this year is Dave Rose!

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    March 1, 2011 9:27 a.m.

    Rose has done a superb job with how he has modified his defensive strategy around Fredette. What we have been seeing and not realizing is something unique in all of baketball. It almost seems like something out of football. He's a brilliant stratigest...and why he isn't looked at as Fisher's equal is because the ones who are going to decide the coach of the year are not even aware of what has been going on. Especially since Chris Collingsworth went out for the remainder of the season with a foot injury. Rose is purposefully having Fredette backed off on the defense and having the other four more agressively carrying the defense. Keeping Fredette in the game and out of foul trouble by not having him aggresively going after the ball has been the crucial key to BYU's success this year. When someone like Fredette continuously draws two and three defenders it's obvious you have to find ways to keep him in the game. Rose has figured out how to do that...knowing that the other players will pick up the easy shots. If they back off...Fredette will literally take it to the street.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    March 1, 2011 9:13 a.m.

    Both are great coaches and should share. One game a time that Dave Rose would say every week.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    March 1, 2011 9:04 a.m.

    You have to play the entire team this season based on how the opponents approach their defense against Fredette. He's such an overwhelming imposing factor you can't play just play at him with even a variety of standard defenses. No one has as of yet really figured out the best modified versions either. They can slow him down but they can't stop him. What people really don't pay attention to is that Rose has modified Fredette's play. I don't think people understand because the approach is so utterly untraditional they 're not looking for it. The "KEY" is keeping Fredette in the game. Look at his fouls committed/per game ratio. How many fouls per game is Fredette getting. He dosn't foul out and he seldom gets in foul trouble. Now then look at the ratio of his fouls which are offensive verses defensive fouls. There obviously is some corralation to Fredette's fouls/pergame and the way Rose is playing Fredette. The one thing you are hearing constantly is that Fredette can't play defense. RIDICULOUS !!! Mistakenly wrong assumption. Rose is purposefully running an aggressive 4man defense to ensure Fredette stays in.

  • Unbelievable West Jordan, Utah
    March 1, 2011 8:41 a.m.

    Some time the most deserving (Jerry Sloan, Dave Rose) play second fiddle to the rest of their assosiates. Both are great leaders of men, leading quietly, behind the scenes, relecting all the accolades to their players and assistants. I knew a great church leader (GBH), and football coach (LE) that had the exact same philosophies.

    All of these men are God sends to this world, having made it a better place to live.

  • Y4LYFE Lubbock, TX
    March 1, 2011 7:42 a.m.

    Jimmer: Player of Year::Rose:Coach of Year::BYU:#1 Seed

    That's the GRE for you.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    March 1, 2011 7:40 a.m.

    Liberal bias and political correctness will prevent Rose or any BYU coach from ever winning this honor.

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    March 1, 2011 7:13 a.m.

    No brainer. The two coaches have met twice and Rose has won both times. Dave Rose for coach of the year!

  • Enough is enough! Saint George, UT
    March 1, 2011 6:02 a.m.

    Both fine men. I appreciate the class Coach Rose always exhibits. And very much appreciate the email sent to SDSU students by Coach Fisher asking Aztec supporters to be respectful. Players from both of these teams showed a great deal of determination and respect on the floor last Saturday. I hope they both go far in the NCAA tournament.

  • AZnewser Snowflake, AZ
    March 1, 2011 5:29 a.m.

    Both good candidates, Steve Lavin formerly of UCLA, currently at surging St John's is the current media darling though. Like the POY, no clear definition of what this award entails, thus not terribly meaningful, except to the winner of course.

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    March 1, 2011 4:55 a.m.

    If BYU were a non religious school on the east coast, Dave Rose would be a shoo-in.

  • SLCWatch Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 11:16 p.m.

    No, Rose does not deserve strong consideration. He deserves the trophy!

    Not only is his coaching flawless but his media persona speaks volumes about what the perfect coach should be.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 10:55 p.m.

    Coach Rose definitely deserves strong consideration for national Coach of the Year.