@dave4197Justice is blind my friend. It's not Sandstrom's fault
that the majority of illegals are from Mexico. No, that would be the Mexicans
fault. By your logic, I could go grab a bunch of my white friends, head on down
to the local grocery store and start eating whatever we want from the store
shelves. When the cops come and try to arrest us, by your logic, they won't be
justified in doing so because they're a bunch of racists for arresting white
people. But never mind all that logic nonsense, it's all about compassion. If
you were the cop you would just tell me I must've been hungry and let me go,
right?By the way, how is that whole "compassion' bit playing out in
your state? Oh thats right, your state is on the verge of bankruptcy, living on
borrowed money and handing out IOU's to it's state employees. Enough said.
hunt, It's truly ridiculous to try to pitch Sandstrom's bill as anything but
anti Mexican, that's the only race / ethnicity he targets. Other assertions
(yours, Sandstrom's) get the "truly ridiculous" label. Read again, my
friend, the story of "the emporer's new clothes", it'll teach you that
Sandstrom and his ilk cannot fool all the people about the truth about of his
bill.And, hunt, if you still don't see a problem, read my post, and my
other numerous posts. Illegal immigration would be called a surge of refugees
in other places where people have compassion and realism (unlike you). The
problem driving immigration from Mexico, illegal or legal, is poverty, abject
poverty, and the Mexicans can almost see our relative opulence when standing on
the banks of the Rio Grande. We US and Utah people should quit our selfish foot
stomping on the necks of the oppressed, and consider the example of the 2
Germanys working together, and join with Mexico to craft educational and
economic reforms.meantime, beinvenidos, amigos!got more good ideas,
later, posters, posers
I don't think I have ever been so angry over the politics in this state. I
thought surely, this time, something would be done about illegals. However, it
looks like the majority of us in this state are going to continue to be
frustrated and angry, and feeling like our voices are being totally drowned out,
ignored, and/or twisted (i.e. the Dan Jones poll showing that the majority of
Utahns want a guest worker program, which certainly DOESN'T MATCH the opinions
of the numerous posts on the DN site nor the people I've talked to).Re: Hunt 3:28 -- I don't think there is any reasonable answer to the claim
that the immigration laws are broken. What I think those who claim that they
are broken are saying is that they want a law that either gives amnesty to all
the illegals already here, or they want to make the immigration laws so lax that
any & all can come here easily at any time with little or no requirements.
In the 20 comments above all favored Rep Sandstrom and what he is trying to do,
except for 2. One called Sandstrom and his bill racist, and the other was just
praising the Lord.It looks like the folks are smarter than Sen
Bramble and some of the others think they are. Many have figured out that this
so called "Guest Worker Program" is designed to continue to flood the
Utahlabor market with illegal aliens and thereby depressing wages so low that
most Utahns cannot live on these wages. It is all about cheap labor.
Could someone enlighten me on the claim that our current immigration law is
broken? Other than the fact that our federal government is derilict in their
duty to enforce it, how is it broken? I keep hearing this claim made but have
yet to have anyone making the claim back up the statement with anything
@dave4197Are you kidding me? Sandstrom is in no way trying to
deport a single race. He is trying to replace illegal immigrants with legal
ones. This is not a race issue and I will continue calling anyone to the carpet
who wants to try to make such a ridiculous and insulting assertion.
Please everyone we are in a fight here. Please email the Governor and your State
Senator. Tell them we want Reps Sandstroms and Herrods bills passed. We want
Sens Brambles and Robles bills dropped along with the compact. Fight back now or
continue to watch your taxes support the Illegals as many Americans will still
be left without a job!
Utah state legislature bumps and stalls while Arizona and Texas, among other
states, are already tackling illegal immigration crisis with tough, real teeth
bills.What Utah state really needs is LESS compassion for illegals
(as pseudo-conservatives, religious dupes, and liberal enablers tend to scream
"compassion") and PUNISHINGLY PUNITIVE laws to reduce and eradicate
illegal aliens from Utah state.Utah cannot and should not be
California, the lost state.
Sandstrom is the definition of intolerant when his bill has the effect of
deportation of a single race.There are other ways to solve the problem of
illegal immigration, 1st among those ways would be to make legal immigration a
real possibility within a few months, instead of a blockage that takes up to a
decade. The present law / policy is broken and ineffective, Sandstrom
mindlessly pursues an existing bad path.
Why has such a simple thing as enforcing immigration laws become so difficult.
My family members came here legally from Mexico in the 60's. There was never any
choice for us, we followed the law. We knew that if discovered by any government
agency, we would be deported. When those of us that support legal
immigration are called intolerant, something is really wrong.
Two thumbs up to Sandstrom for wanting to introduce a sane guest worker bill. I
can't wait to welcome the legal, law abiding immigrants into Utah with open
No illegals. No benefits for them, no jobs, nothing. Please leave. We welcome
all legal immigrants from any land. Please come and bring your talents and
ambition; we only ask you come here legally!
"And they did land upon the shore of the promised land. And when they had
set their feet upon the shores of the promised land they bowed themselves down
upon the face of the land, and did humble themselves before the Lord, and did
shed tears of joy before the Lord, because of the multitude of his tender
mercies over them." Ether 6:12
As far as I am Concerned....Herbert, Bramble are DONE representing Utah! Throw
the bums out! Impeach Herbert if he doesn't listen to the majority of Utah!
Call his office today and complain...
Illegal immigrants will game the Utah social services network into insolvency.
Be careful! Look at California and learn from them. California has lost its
future and illegal immigration has played no small part in this tragedy.
My many friends in Provo have been trying to get through to Senator Bramble to
urge him to allow an up or down vote on the House immigration enforcement bills.
He is ignoring us. I have supported Bramble in the past. I hate to say this,
but I am now contacting friends urging them to run against Bramble in the 2012
Republican Primary. I have already heard of three prominent Republicans who are
gearing up to run against Bramble.
Seems as though people in the working part of the country do not want illegals.
I am not sure why the government who represent us are having such a hard time
with this. Their options seem to be obey the law and force those
who are here illegally to leave or else try to dance around the issue. So far
they seem to be great dancers.Those elected are there to figure out
hard issues, this one is hard. Do your job.
Citizens of the state can request ICE audit certain businesses. If enough people
request audits of the Salt Lake Chamber business, we might find out why they are
so intent on allowing people to break our laws. A one bill solution
kills the entire bill if one section is challenged in court. Email
I'm anxious to hear about Sandstrom's guest worker bill which would welcome
immigrants who are willing to comply with our rule of law but addresses the
problem of those who are not. It seems to me that his new bill along with his
HB70, Chris Herrod's E-Verify bill strengthened back to how he originally wrote
it, and Mayne's I-9 independent contractor bill would be very complementary and
actually make a significant dent in the illegal immigration problem. There is a
deterrent here as well as a welcome mat for law-abiding immigrants. Sounds like
a win/win to me.I hope our legislators are aware that ICE is going
to audit 1,000 companies nationally, including some in Utah. This should
encourage them to support Herrod's bill. I would think that employers would be
grateful for the E-Verify program even though the Chamber of Commerce opposes
it. Makes you wonder why any honest employer would object to using it. Hmm.
I feel like I've been part of the "silent majority" and that I need to
really get involved. Do more than voice my opinion on these comment boards.I am sick and tired of being told during the campaigns that I would be
represented only to see those that get elected "soften" their stance
when it really matters. A lie is a lie for what ever reason!The
issue: ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION The solution: Find enough Reps like
Sandstrom and Harrod!Simple things: NO to driving Privilege Cards,
No to College benefits, No to a welcome mat for those that disregard the law.
VERY SIMPLE.Whats hard? Finding the truth in many of the media's
attempts to persuade the masses. Please DN / KSL, stop giving us the desired
result, your desired result!
I think there may very well be some illegal sympathizing Reps losing their next
term. The majority of us are not fooled and it doesn't matter if you have a big
R or a big D next to your name, vote the minority line and get what happened
last election right here in Utah....We the voters are sick and tired of this
mess these law makers delicately side step. Either you are with us, or you get
what Bennet and the Libs got.
CJyou forgot to add or get voted out next election.
What part of "no amnesty" do these guys not understand? They will try
to dress it up, put lipstick on it, put a wig on its ugly head, and anything
else they can to make it look like its not a pig, but it still is one. They
can't pass it on its own so they have to lump it in and try to put one over on
everyone. Sorry guys, you think we aren't paying attention? WE ARE! NO AMNESTY
for illegals. Do your job and enforce the law and stop the invasion and the
looting of taxpayers.