@pikap1868: "Unless LDS missionaries are Federal employees they won't get
counted, nor should they."Let's see... Rahm Emanuel, now
mayor-elect of Chicago, left town for two years to work in Washington, D.C. In
order to run for mayor a candidate has to reside in the city for a period of
time just preceding the election. He didn't. How did he get elected, then?
Political pull. Perhaps if the LDS Church have more political pull they could
get the rules changed.
pikap1868,why shouldn't they? Who made the rule? Is it in the
constitution? was it passed by congress? Being on the census webpage does not
make it the law, just their rule - from whence cometh the rule?You
cite the webpage, now cite the legislation or article in the constitution.
@pikap1868- No, your comment doesn't make sense. Everybody knows that all
people dwelling in U.S. residential structures are counted in the census. Don't
you know what census means? Ha ha... Anyone want to share this crow
with me? :)@Considering, Liberal Ted, Still Blue after all these
years- This is from the U.S. census website: "Private U.S. citizens living
abroad who are not affiliated with the Federal government (either as employees
or their dependents) will not be included in the overseas counts. These overseas
counts are used solely for reapportioning seats in the U. S. House of
Representatives." Unless LDS missionaries are Federal employees they won't
get counted, nor should they.
LDS have a lot of children, its surprising to me that hispanics have even more.
I would guess in a few decades they will be a major political force. This isn't
really bad, in a generation or two they blend in. Its not like they do honor
killings of family members, or are prone to terrorism.As for gangs,
If you watch the history channel they do history segments about gangs. Many
minority gangs were begun as a way to defend the members. They started out as
just a group of kids who would defend each other in the event one of them got
picked on.If we want to avoid this, we need to teach the golden rule
at home to our own children and practice it too. If we wouldn't want educational
opportunities withheld from our own children, we shouldn't withhold it from
theirs. If we do they will find other ways to "make a living" that
will become a generational thing and won't agree with our sensabilities.In other words, why would we want to plant the seeds of a problem that
doesn't have to exist?
If the Latino population is here in Utah legally, people should always welcome
them.But, if they are here illegally, please show them the back
I agree with Considerng from Stockton. Makes complete sense. You cannot wait
for the federal government to do anything right. This is blatantly
anti-mormon, no different than 1838. Just take care of it yourself. And
for those that disagree, then at least we know what kind of bigot you are.
Wow pikap1868, you sure have your facts straight. Anyone can vote while out of
the country, it's called an absentee ballot. While on my mission we got a
message from SLC telling us to apply for one. Guess that ruins your argument,
@pikap Missionaries can vote when outside of the country. I personally voted in
the 2004 Election from the Orient as an absentee voter. If you make any sort of
money off of investments, interest, etc. while serving a full-time mission you
report it to the IRS and if anything is owed on that you still must pay. They
are still counted as dependents on their parent's taxes. You can still receive a
jury duty summons, although they excuse you for reasons such as temporarily out
of the country.
oops "residents" not "residentes" - sorry
pikap1868,Yes, it does count illegals - it counts all residentes,
legal or not.Hey DN, why not give the total population for the
@ Liberal Ted.Please try to keep all the uninformed, miseducated
answers as far away as possible from the Deseret readers. Theres already enough
of those comments.
"Hispanics now make up 13 percent of Utah's population a 78 percent
increase over the count in 2000 by the U.S. Census Bureau."Perhaps it's time to stop immigration, especially the illegal kind lest the
ethic balance becomes upset. And here's the reason why:"Tony
Yapias... said the young Latinos are coming to Utah to work and raise their
families. ...noting the growth could lead to a significant voting block by the
next decade."At which point Hispanics will have the power and
vote to see that more and more immigrants of Senior Yapias' native ethnicity are
allowed in. Can you say 'buenos dias?'
The solution to the issue of counting missionaries is for their families to
simply include them.As yourself these questions:1-Do you
consider your missionary a member of your household? Does s/he receive
mail/bills at your address? Does s/he have a room or bed there? Does s/he have
personal property at the home? DO you, and s/he, fully expect that s/he is
going to return to your home at some point in the not too distant future?2-Is your missionary going to be counted on any other census? It is one
thing to get counted in another city/State and we would not want to see someone
counted twice. But if s/he is not going to be counted at all has s/he not lost
some portion of constitutionally entitled representation for the next 10
years?This is very simple. When the census form comes, you just
include your foreign serving missionary as part of your household. In virtually
every case, it has been less than a year since s/he left the home, OR less than
a year until s/he expects to return.
According to the census website, the counties with >100k are:Salt
Lake- 1,029,655Utah- 516,564Davis- 306,479Weber-
231,236Washington- 138,115Cache- 112,656
@Liberal Ted- Your comment doesn't make sense. The U.S. Census is a count of
U.S. citizens, not illegal/non documented immigrants are counted. That has
never happened and it never will. As for the missionary-thing, if they can't
vote when outside of the country then aren't counted when outside of the
Cache county has about 115,000
Scratch that, it has about 140,000
Washington County has about 170,000 residents. Much larger than Tooele.
On the news it said Tooele county is the 4th largest county with like 58,000,
but I'm pretty sure washington county has over 100,000.. Anybody know?
One reason Utah wants missionaries counted is that in 2000 it did make a
difference. Other states don't have the same numbers on missions. To
deliberately ignore 10,000 residents is somewhat puzzling unless there are some
other factors at play that we don't know about.
I agree with Bishop. They'll count illegals, but, not US residents that are out
of the country temporarily? That doesn't make sense.
In total agreeance with the Cencus Bureau on this.. The other 49 Don't cry when
their mission people don't get counted, Why does Utah cry every single time new
popualtions come out???