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Senate panel rejects resolution urging halt to Utah illegal immigration bills

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  • facts_r_stubborn Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 5:23 p.m.

    This resolution falls prey to the classic institutional ad-hominem attack on the issue of illegal immigration. "The federal government has failed to act, therefore we must act ourselves." Or in this case, it has failed to act, so "Utah should do nothing until the federal government acts."

    The fallacy in both arguments is that the federal government has not acted. In fact, they have doubled the size of ICE's budget in the last five years. They have added FOD offices and a federal immigration court in Utah. In 1995 Congress passed into law the 287(g) program, and later "Secure Communities." Both these programs deputize and train local law enforcement to enforce federal immigration law, and work with ICE for deportations. They are "voluntary" programs. Utah, simply needs to volunteer.

    It is Utah that has done little until now. Only two Utah counties, Washington and Weber have 287(g) agreements with ICE. Why so few? Why has Utah been largely unwilling to participate with the federal government and ICE in addressing illegal immigration? We can't do it alone! Wouldn't it be prudent to first take advantage of existing federal law and programs?

  • Kathy. Provo, Ut
    Feb. 27, 2011 9:47 p.m.

    I just have to laugh when I read about the sensible approach---the only thing that makes real sense is to send them home to wait in line. No prizes for breaking the law.

    If a process is put in place where they cannot work, they cannot get medical care and no citizenship for their children they will go home.

    I agree with the felony for employers.

    Treat everyone with respect including those that are unemployed and those trying to get their secure their social security and identity.

    Smaller class size which is only taught in English and our nation would be well on it's way to lower taxes and a better education.

  • Native in Utah Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 27, 2011 2:54 a.m.

    Illegals? Undocumented? Terrorists? Since 1492, this land of promise has offered a "sanctuary" to the immigrants of the world at the expense of the indigenous people. History tells the truth. Crying "foul" to others from the south of the border, who also seek the same sanctuary as the original immigrants is what I would call talking or crying with a "forked-tongue".

    Let's be reminded "there's blood stains on those hands", maybe through remembrance of those stains, can we find balance to address the real immigration problem.

    Let's open the historical closet and see what happens. Bones. Bones. Bones.

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    Feb. 25, 2011 10:07 a.m.

    Immigration reform can be ridiculously simple.

    Make employing an illegal alien a felony punishable by jail time and a $100,000 fine.

    Illegals come here primarily for work. If the jobs dry up they will go elsewhere. No need to spend billions deporting them. Simply start jailing people who employ them instead. Put a few business owners behind bars, seize their assets and I guarantee you employers will get the message loud and clear.

  • Bob Pomeroy Bisbee, AZ
    Feb. 25, 2011 2:51 a.m.

    nuts

  • beetdiggingcougar Provo, UT
    Feb. 25, 2011 12:45 a.m.

    Romero sure has had a lot of proposed bills voted down this session. Maybe he should figure out what Utahns want. He seems he would be a better fit in the California Assembly with his crazy ideas.

  • calou84523 Ferron, Utah
    Feb. 24, 2011 4:31 p.m.

    It's good to see our legislators are listening to their constituents . . . . they need to remember illegals don't vote Utahans do!

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Feb. 24, 2011 2:58 p.m.

    Sorry about my remark above. I jumped to conclusions. I didn't know what I was talking about.
    I meant to say that I only support illegal immigration laws if they do not encourage racial profiling that may hurt our LEGAL immigrants and own American citizens. The House failed to do this. I still hope the Senate is smarter than the House.
    Regarding Romero's resolution, although it is from the other side, it is still all or nothing black or white absolute and not helpful either.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Feb. 24, 2011 2:42 p.m.

    The Senate is smarter than the House. YES!
    I am for fighting ILLEGAL immigration law IF it does NOT hurt LEGAL immigration and our American citizens. This bill ties the hands of our own law enforcement and scares are own Legal Citizens that are not Caucasian.
    Make a better bill and strike every bill that is only black and white - all or nothing. "Absolutes lead to the dark side."

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 24, 2011 2:06 p.m.

    Romero wonders why a similar resolution passed but his did not? The other resolution called on the feds to act, his said wait for the feds to act. the former does not preculde the state from doing something, while the latter does. The martyr complex does not look good, Mr. Romero.

  • Jazz Bass Man Wellsville, Utah
    Feb. 24, 2011 12:05 p.m.

    Finally some good news on the war against the illegal freeloaders who are bankrupting our country and our state. It's about time they started listening to the will of the PEOPLE (yes, those same people that the lawmakers work for) and not to the open borders crowd who want to turn Utah into Juarez like Tony Yapias, LA RAZA and the MEcha/reconquista movement.

    Note to lawmakers: The people are awake and watching very closely what happens with these new illegal immigration enforcement bills. Remember what we the voters did to Chris Cannon and Bob Bennett.

  • TallGuy1970 Syracuse, UT
    Feb. 24, 2011 12:00 p.m.

    No matter what you stance on immigration, I think everyone knows that the federal government has dropped the ball on this issue and refuses to pick it up. This resolution was worthless because it asks the state to sit back and do nothing, and that would be a great disservice to EVERYONE involved.

  • tom_e Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 24, 2011 11:55 a.m.

    It is very crowded around the woodwork right now with all the people coming out to tell us how they really feel about the foreign invasion. By the way did the Salt Lake Chamber pay for Todd Landfried's visit to Utah?

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 24, 2011 11:49 a.m.

    Mr. Romero is an Attorney...all attorneys like Ross have trouble distinguishing between Legal and Illegal....lets hope his constiuents can convince him at his next election what that difference might be!

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Feb. 24, 2011 11:38 a.m.

    "Sen. Margaret Dayton, R-Orem, noted the word "illegal" does not appear in the document. "I think it's misleading at a time when we're talking about illegal immigration," she said.

    "You're using immigration and illegal immigration as if they're the same thing," she told Romero.

    Romero replied that the two are "absolutely tied together. You cannot solve one without the other."

    That is the problem right there. They refuse to accept our immigration laws. There is a big difference between legal and illegal to most of us.

  • Janell Ventura, Ca
    Feb. 24, 2011 11:38 a.m.

    Why was Todd Landfried speaking anyway? He's spokesman for "Arizona Employers for Immigration Reform" (a group that probably should be known as Arizona Businesses that like cheap labor at the expense of the American worker). Shouldn't he be promoting Amnesty in Arizona? Oh yeah, the citizens of Arizona have made their feelings known, so he's trying it here instead.
    I think it's time WE made our feelings known to our legislators, too.

  • Belching Cow Sandy, UT
    Feb. 24, 2011 11:33 a.m.

    "until the federal government addresses the problem"

    Is that suppose to be a joke cause it is pretty funny.

  • MomTaxpayerCitizen Olathe, KS
    Feb. 24, 2011 11:23 a.m.

    Foreign freeloaders and criminals have been taking advantage of U.S. taxpayers for decades, and our elected officials are starting to understand that we want something done now!!!

  • legalimmigrant Springville, Utah
    Feb. 24, 2011 11:16 a.m.

    House Bill 116 (Guest Worker Program) passed the House yesterday. The senate is voting TODAY!!!Contact your representatives - google 'Utah Senate', go to site and the district maps section, enter your address and you will see who your reps are. Urge them to opppose any guest worker or amnesty bills, and to suppport enforcement only bills. I already did.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Feb. 24, 2011 11:11 a.m.

    It appears that Tolman's plea to back off went unheeded. And for good reason.

    In 1981 a federal commission, led by Rev Hesburgh of Notre Dame (and filled with Carter democrats), issued a report on the immigration problem.
    They suggested:
    Better border security
    Better visa control
    Better work eligibility verification
    Worksite enforcement
    Deportation of those here illegally.

    Similar panels gave similar recommendations in 1994 and 1997. And a perusal of the 9/11 commission spoke in similar terms.

    THEY AREN'T LISTENING to their OWN commissions.

    So, the states must speak up, supported by the citizens.

    We know what the Chamber of Commerce will say. We know what the unions will say. We know what Latino activists will say.

    It's time to listen to the citizens.

    Stay strong, legislators.

  • cerana Littleton, CO
    Feb. 24, 2011 11:06 a.m.

    Todd Landfried, spokesman for Arizona Employers for Immigration Reform, told the committee that "ill-considered" state laws will hurt Utah's economy as they have Arizona's.

    "Doing something doesn't meant doing anything," he said. "While Arizona is leading, it's not leading in a direction you want to follow."

    Well, Mr Todd Landfried, Arizona is leading in the right direction. A lot of illegals have left your state and headed to Utah and Colorado and other places. They are afraid. Now its time for other states to send the illegals to their final destination, their home country.

  • We the People Sandy, UT
    Feb. 24, 2011 11:05 a.m.

    No more illegal immigrants. No benefits for those who come here illegally, except a ticket home.

  • jmfay denver, co
    Feb. 24, 2011 11:01 a.m.

    Thank you UT lawmakers. Now can you consider coming to CO to knock some sense into ours?