" KSL estimated the contract to be less than Notre Dame's $15 million NBC
contract, but much more than BYU's current $1.5 million deal with the Mountain
West Conference"Without any real numbers byu and it's trolls
(like Bluto) can promote just about any number they want.Funny, ND
is a private University yet they feel know reason to hide the finacials from the
rest of the world. It leads one to beleive that true numbers pale in
comparison.As long as BYU can continue to "sell" it's
followers without providing and real numbers - all the better.
Football subsidizes all the other welfare sports.Period.It is that way at every other college in America.College sports,
especially female sports, do not produce any sort of profit. They all operate
negatively.BYU can balance the budget, but most colleges cannot.Taxpayers end up funging most, if not all, of the scholarships for
mediocre girls to play golf on a full-ride, to "match" the
scholarships and money given to football...It is laws like Title 9
that are making America an expensive place to be a taxpayer.
Let me get this straight. The BYU athletic dept was not in dire straights and
accruing no red ink and all the minor sports were doing fine and winning
championships. Did I get that right? Duckhunter will challenge this. So, BYU
in an attempt to make even more money goes independent in football, cuts a nice
deal with ESPN but turns around and throws all the minor sports that were
thriving into the wind or to the WCC, a conference that cannot absorb them all
and is currently ranked 14th in the basketball conferences RPI. I have a degree
from BYU and I am fairly intelligent but I can't figure this one out. Oh, I
remember, it was about exposure, except the WCC deal with ESPN expires this
summer and according to Jon Wilner's sources ESPN doesn't consider west coast
basketball, specifically the PAC 10 of having any basketball value. That would
also by association have to include the WCC.
Re: DutchmanIt is about exposure for the football program and BYU
athletics as a whole through the use of ESPN BYUtv, something that is not
possible under the current regime. And, do you really think moving basketball to
the WCC lessen's BYU's exposure when you compare it to the current level of
exposure with the mtn? I assure you that more people nationwide have had access
to see more Gonzaga, St. Mary's and even Utah State bball games this year than
top-10 ranked BYU. Hence the move to independence/WCC is a no-brainer.
Hedgehog, What in the world is your problem? Surely there must be better
things to do in Ann Arbor.
Seriously hedgehog, don't you "know" the difference between
"know" and "no".Your posts might be taken a
little more seriously if... then, again, maybe not.It does make one
wonder why someone with the resources to be a Notre Dame season ticketholder and
a supposed Utah fan would be so obsessed with, and jealous of, a rival that you
consider to be soooo mediocre.You seem to be trying to convince
yourself more than anybody else of your own distorted vision of reality.
Moody makes it sound as if creating a balanced budget every year is just a
college sports problem when in fact it is something every business and
government agency faces every year. The difference is the athletic department
has figured out how to "live within their means". Perhaps the
government should sit through one of their planning cycles and see how it is
Dutchman | 3:04 p.m. Feb. 18, 2011 Murray, UT "I have a degree
from BYU and I am fairly intelligent but I can't figure this one out."===OK, open for debate, but have Uteology figure this one out for
you, because real numbers are lost to you kids...
BYU is a class act and everyone knows it; even the haters. Good administration.
Good student athletes. Some people just love to hate good things. I've never
been able to figure out why. Maybe it's an inferiority complex that causes
disgruntled, simple minds to lash out.
I'm still not getting it. I understand the exposure thing. It sounds like under
the MWC money was not the issue. No red ink according to the article. The
minor sports in the MWC were getting all the exposure they will ever get.
Women's soccer, basketball, softball, etc etc etc were all on TV and nationwide
if you have DirecTV. How is all that minor sport TV exposure going to be
replicated now that BYU is leaving the MWC? Now the minor sports have no
conference or the WCC. What championships are going to be played for. In
football ESPN is picking up football games but to me it seems everything else is
sacrificed for football exposure and more money and the money wasn't really
Big bad BYU choosing more exposure, more money, and more control of it's own
destiny. All of the teams will still get to play and will have newer equipment
to boot. More people will see BYU sports. Maybe the women's volleyball team
will get national exposure on byutv. I don't see a downside to all of this.
DutchmanAre your really so dense? Not all BYU fans agree, but the
vast majority of BYU fans seem to at least understand the tradeoff BYU is making
by leaving the MWC, but gaining added exposure through ESPN and BYUtv for all
BYU sports, so what's your problem?Almost none of BYU's
pre-conference season home basketball games this year were broadcast by the MTN.
When Fresno State played at the Marriott Center in December, the brain-dead
programmers at the MTN chose to air a sports statics show and a MWC roundtable
discussion rather than broadcast a live basketball game.Just one of
hundreds of examples of how moronic the MTN is run and why BYU chose
Independence and the WCC rather than continue to put up with the myriad broken
promises of the MTN and Craig Thompson.
Seriously Hedgehog, the more I read your posts, the more I believe you are a
completely ignorant individual. Not only is your spelling just plain horrible,
but your logic and complete obsession with anything BYU is just plain weird!
"Funny, ND is a private University yet they feel know reason to hide the
finacials from the rest of the world. It leads one to beleive that true numbers
pale in comparison.As long as BYU can continue to "sell"
it's followers without providing and real numbers - all the better."hedgehog,Have you considered that since the 2011 football
season hasn't happened yet, nobody knows the exact amount of revenue for the
2011 football season?Can you tell me how much Wyoming's new bball
coach will get paid? Or better yet, how much Kemba's NBA contract will be for?
How much would Texas make if they went independent?We won't know
until it happens. ND knows because they have been independent for a while and
have noticed a trend. BYU is just starting out, and since they've never had a
contract with ESPN, they have no history to look back on.
Glad my Cougs were making some dough back in 2009. Wonder where the profits go?
Better facilities. Better parking. Higher wages to coaches. Rainy day fund. I
have to believe all the sellouts at the MC will help the bottom line this year.
I haven't seen as many big ticket discounting promotions like a few years ago.
Gone are the days of buying a $5 ticket and sitting in the lower bowl. That's
why I have season tickets in the lower bowl. Best way to see the show. I hope
the cougs male more dough in the years to come so that the student athletes in
every sport can be given the most support possible in their personal quest for
"but gaining added exposure through ESPN and BYUtv for all BYU sports, so
what's your problem?"Where does ESPN televise the minor sports?
They will televise some football and basketball games. That is the problem.
Dutchman What we don't get is why you care so much? Here you are
seriously obsessing about things over which you have no say or interest. WHY?And, just as valid, why do you think anyone who does have a say or
interest in BYU sports cares what negative dribble you feel compeeled to post?
HedgehogDo they have newspapers in michigan?
Dutchman | 5:31 p.m. Feb. 18, 2011 Murray, UT I'm still not getting
it. ===Understood....Take some classes at the U,
and then you will understand basic econ....
Dutchman"Where does ESPN televise the minor sports? They will
televise some football and basketball games. That is the problem."Your question and answer to yourself prove that you don't get it.We understand that. So, stop belaboring the point and just accept
that this is MUCH better for BYU than the current MWC deal.
If this is true, bring back wrestling!!!
You guys are the ones always tooting the horn about more exposure so where is
the exposure? You can't answer the question, I understand that now. Thanks.
And I got my economics training at BYU. The article clearly pointed out that
BYU was doing fine money wise so it was only about exposure but only for
football. Your minor sports got thrown under the bus but none of you will admit
Dutchman, let me try. The minor sports are NOT getting any TV exposure now, so
their move to where ever makes no difference in how much they are seen. The
exposure that football and basketball will be getting under the new system isn't
soley dependent on ESPN - there is a huge up-side with BYUtv. Living in Idaho,
I anticipate being able to see my cougars play foot and basketball every week,
not occasionaly as per the mountain!
eagletwo words on wrestling:Title IX.
Dutchman,If your family made more money than you spent last year would you
still not take a job making twice as much (Im not saying byu will be making
twice as much, just a number for the example) at another company even if that
meant you had to move out of state. The extra money can possibly then be used
to get better equipment or to pay coaches more in order to get the best coaches
making the programs even better. Maybe that will clear up the money issue. Now
for exposure. Espn doesnt cover minor sports but byutv does and it is on almost
all of the basic packages. Right now I pay an extra $12 a month to get the mnt
but I wont have to anymore to get byutv. So to recap, more money means better
programs and more people can see all of byu sports (exposure)
DutchmanYour concern is touching, but, quite frankly, we couldn't
care less whether any of this make sense to you or meets with your approval.I'm sure you'll be very happy watching occassional Utah games on FOX
Regional late Saturday night.
re: DutchmanBYU will have the rights to broadcast their other sports
how, where, when or what they may. Or something like that. Isn't that what we
believe in? BYUtv will be great for all of BYU's sports.The mtn
needs a reformation. Or maybe it should just end. Poor Boise State will regret
Wally;Have you been to Ann Arbor? There is nothing to do in Ann
Arbor except drink.
Dutchman BYUtv televises to not only major areas in the US, it also
televises INTERNATIONALLY. Imagine an LDS soccer player from Mexico (which yes
Mexico does get BYUtv, look it up) watching BYU women's soccer team, and ends up
going there because of it. This is a smart move for exposure, recruitment, and
you telling yourself any different is just you being insecure at the moment with
every other Yewt fan. This exposure does not go with ESPN alone.
1st of all I will toot my own horn as the amount of revenue I posted they had
was almost exact. Some on here (haters) doubted and claimed there was no way it
was that much but this shows it is exactly the amount I said.But to
dutchman, what are you talking about? How is any port being thrown under the
bus? The only sport that might be taking a step down by its new affiliation is
mens basketball and that is deabatable. Some sports, like baseball for instance,
are moving up by going to the WCC. The WCC has 5 top 15 ranked baseball
programs. I know one of the BYU baseball coaches very well and they are
extremely excited by this move. Both because the level of competition is better
and the sites and venues are better. The only sport that was left
without an affiliation was the softball team and that was taken care of a few
weeks ago.Exposure for these minor sports just took a huge step up
as ESPN plans to televise some of them on its channels and BYU tv is going to
televise a bunch of them. You are clearly clueless.
duckhunter...well said.i can't wait to tune into BYUtv and catch all
kinds of BYU sports! far from being thrown under the bus...BYU has been
liberated, especially the two biggies, men's football and basketball. one of the things i missed the most during the whole "mountain
channel" embargo was going to the game at cougar stadium or the marriott
center and then coming home and catching the re-broadcast on ch. 11 with our own
announcers!rise and shout!
I agree. All sports will benefit from this. MWC is better this year in
basketball than WCC but WCC has been comparable in the past. BYUTV is the key.
ESPN will be great for the big games but I can't wait to see all of the other
games. I wonder if BYU's men soccer team will get put on BYUTV?
I'm guessing the amount of minor sports broadcast on BYUtv will be dependent on
the cost of doing it. Most home games in most sports will probably be broadcast
and select road games that have higher levels of interest like mens volleyball
or baseball and games against highly ranked opponenents in most sports. I
personally will watch quite a bit of them when they are on. I'd rather watch an
athletic event in a minor sport than some stupid sitcom or reality show. Now
we'll have those options.
Track and field does not have a conference affiliation as of yet. It's not
looking promising either. They have been so dominant in the MWC, they will miss
participating in a conf meet, but will still have opportunities to qualify
athletes for nationals and compete there.