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Utah House passes Sandstrom's immigration enforcement bill

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  • peter Alpine, UT
    Feb. 20, 2011 8:35 a.m.

    A sound law for the good of the state and its citizens. Only those who commit a crime are to have a background check as to their legal status. Now, will US Immigration officials actually do their job and deport the illegals?

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    Feb. 20, 2011 6:58 a.m.

    As usual, the Democrats have both feet firmly planted in mid-air, and prove themselves to be even less aware than the Republicans--and then they wonder why they don't win elections in areas where people have to work and pay taxes. They say, "Be compassionate." I say, "Get real. Unless you're ready to bear the freight on your insanity, don't expect to further design our civilization into oblivion with no resistance. Go ahead and be 'compassionate' and 'charitable' with private, voluntary funds . . . and by the way, if you're really going to do it, go help those populations remake their own countries, rather than importing all their liabilities, costs, and problems into our communities."

  • Doppelganger Clearfeild, utah
    Feb. 20, 2011 2:28 a.m.

    It is not going to set
    up a Nazi Germany. Are you kidding. The ACLU and the leftist courts will do
    everything to protect those who are here illegally, but it was an effort to
    try and stop illegal's from setting up businesses, and employment, and
    receiving state services and give the ability to local law enforcement when
    there is probable cause like a traffic stop to determine if they are here
    legally. Federal law is very clear if you are here on a visa you must have
    your papers on you at all times. That is the law.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    Feb. 19, 2011 11:40 p.m.

    The sad day happened when 110,000 people chose to break our laws with no compassion to those they hurt by their actions.

    Razzle2, if caught breaking the law, everyone is asked for ID. Let's stop the silly nonsense.

  • Speak English - USA West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 10:37 p.m.

    "A sad day" dave4197? Hardly.

    Get ILLEGAL immigrants out of our country. I am so tired of reading these articles, they are breaking the law when they sneak into our country. I don't care what their skin color is, if they cannot prove that they should be in the U.S. legally.... they should be deported and not allowed back.

    You can pull me over any time and check my credentials. I will whip out my driver's license and be on my way. For those who cannot follow the legal path into to the U.S., get em outta here!

  • dave4197 Redding, CA
    Feb. 19, 2011 9:56 p.m.

    A sad day in Utah history. Sandstrom forgot his compassion, the legislature forgot Utah's history of immigrants, and the people of Utah are now branded race bashers, like Arizonans.
    When the federal law is changed, as it needs to be, to make legal immigration quicker, easier, more practical, I wonder if Sandstrom et al will support that change as well as they heed the rule of law now.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 9:07 p.m.

    Of the 34 names on the "list" of 1300 people here claiming welfare benefits, 32 were false numbers.

    If one child is birthright all children get help, and no one checks to see who eats all the food in a mixed family. WIC, CHIPS etc, they qualify.

  • carminaburana Provo, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 7:48 p.m.

    I am tired of hearing that illegals use welfare. My brother works for the state where they handle welfare. He says it is impossible for illegals to receive welfare (medicaid, food stamps,cash assistance) because they check social sec. numbers. Now, If you are illegal and your children are US citizens, then, The children can get welfare, NOT the parents.

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 6:57 p.m.

    @ John CC. Check out "Immigration Gumballs" on youtube and it may elighten you a bit.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 6:19 p.m.

    atl134

    Do you realize that our police already pull so many people over, especially at night, for the most mundane reasons? Hoping to randomly catch illegal activity, such as drugs or alcohol?

    The minute any of us are arrested, we're run against a warrant database, to see if we're wanted for any crime, even white collar crime.

    Why in the world would an illegal immigrant be immune from such police searches?

  • CARL South Salt Lake, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 5:04 p.m.

    Arizona's appeal court is in San Francisco and Utah's is in Denver. Just a thought here but chances are that we need other states to pass the law to prevent overturning at Federal's appealing level.

  • CougarKeith Roy, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 3:41 p.m.

    I would think those who have come here LEGALLY would favor this Bill because it will cut down on those who just cheated and SNEAKED IN! While the Legal Immigrants did everything they needed to do, and should be proud to display their green cards and other documentation to show they are here legally! I would think it would be an honor to show, "I did it the right way!" Then again if you break a major law, you shouldn't be here in the first place! NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE!

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 1:33 p.m.

    Illegal immigrants come here for jobs. That's why illegal immigration decreased in the US the past year or two, the recession is getting rid of jobs and without jobs they leave. So there's a very simple way to deal with illegal immigration... target businesses.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 1:30 p.m.

    "If this does end up passing I hope there are safeguards in place that make it so cops can't just stop anyone and threaten them with arrest if they don't present an ID and submit to a background check.

    I really don't want to live in a police state. "

    Quick look in a mirror. Do you see a white person? If so then you really don't have anything to worry about from a personal standpoint.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 1:25 p.m.

    "You know I get REALLY tired of being told that I am not a compassionate person just because I do not agree with some of the people on here.
    "

    Try being an LDS member who self-identifies as a progressive.

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 10:51 a.m.

    Great news! And thanks to Sandstom for his efforts. I am sure the millions who are waiting in line to legally immigrate are encouraged by this also. Legal immigration is the way to go.

  • tom_e Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 10:43 a.m.

    This yet to be passed law and the other one on in state tuition is already a success. My illegal neighbour has decided to move from Utah.

  • JanSan Pocatello, ID
    Feb. 19, 2011 10:02 a.m.

    re:noneck 62
    Some people can't help but trash the LDS church in any and everyway they can.
    Wake up.. if you have read the comments you would know that there are plenty of LDS against this.
    ALSO this is not just a UTAH concern. States thoughout the United States and also dealing with this and trying to get laws in their states also to conter the growth of illeagal aliens.
    To blame this on the LDS in Utah is shortsighted, dimwited, bigoted,immature and so forth.
    This is NOT an LDS concern, but an AMERICAN concern and that includes every religion in these states.

  • Yorkshire City, Ut
    Feb. 19, 2011 9:53 a.m.

    "We have laws on the books that we do not enforce, that cities blatantly disregard."

    I seem to remember the very same words used in reference to Hilldale, Utah.

    And Colorado City(in that virtuous state of Arizona, so well know for their rabid desire to ENFORCE THE LAW in regard to only "some" of their residents.)

  • Jonathan S Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 9:40 a.m.

    With each passing moment, technological advance, export of workplaces, and outsourcing devour scores of job opportunities for Americans.

    Given this constant, it is insane to import immigrants en masse to compete with Americans over the scarce jobs not yet consumed by this gaping maw.

    The immigration status quo - that pertaining to both legal and illegal migration - is in deep denial about this reality. In the immigration enthusiasts' fantasy world, it's still 1910, when America still had labor-intensive factories to staff.

    Mass immigration, irrespective of legality, is an anachronism which inflicts vast, unnecessary suffering.

  • CJ Murray, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 9:31 a.m.

    Great, just what we needed. Now let us throw the Robles monument to stupidity out the door and get on with removing as many as we can.

  • noneck62 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 8:48 a.m.

    I wonder if Sandstorm would reactly differently if he wasn't one of those Mormons.

  • lawenforcementfromAZ Glendale, AZ
    Feb. 19, 2011 8:36 a.m.

    Are some missing the reality of illegal immigration? As a retired law official, I hope some demanding "compassion" reconsider their position predicated upon these facts:

    1. Illegal immigrants, in most cases, use stolen identification to obtain employment. What about the victim of this act?
    2. Illegal immigrants, in many cases, obtain welfare, health, eduaction and other benefits that costs us, the legal citizens, billions of dollars each year.
    3. Millions of Illegal immigrants have taken good paying jobs from legal US Citizens.
    4. Illegal immigrants commit major crimes at a much higher rate than US Citizens.

    Compassion is for those who obey the law.

  • Jonathan S Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 8:10 a.m.

    There is too much emphasis on the question of legality, and too little on that of interest.

    Immigration which is too vast in scale, which drags down working Americans' wages, which displaces from the workforce the most vulnerable Americans (our homegrown illiterates and high-school dropouts)is contrary to the interests of Americans even as it as fully lawful.

    Unfortunately, the above describes our current legal immigration status quo, which imports 1 million persons annually (the population equivalent of our largest cities). There is too much immigration, legal or illegal. The scale and economic impact of this problem should remind us that which is legal (i.e. state-sanctioned) should not be considered sacrosanct.

  • jim l West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 7:47 a.m.

    HOO-ray

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 7:25 a.m.

    I am not for illegal immigration. But, I am for protecting our own US citizens, which include those that are not Caucasian and those that may speak with an accent. These are the ones that will have to carry special papers just because of their looks! This is not right and you know it.

  • Gentile brookings, SD
    Feb. 19, 2011 7:15 a.m.

    To Chester Brough: you are right.

    On a different note, this is a federal issue. Nice pandering by the politicians, but if they read their constitution, they know it is a federal issue.
    Use the great senators and reps. to make Washington move on this. Or... maybe the senators and reps. don't have clout in DC? Hmmmmmm.

  • Bryan Syracuse, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 3:12 a.m.

    The Senate needs to pass the bill quickly, without adding anything on. This bill is a VERY reasonable compromise. The faster this bill is passed into law, the sooner we can get the illegal aliens out of our state.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 12:29 a.m.

    facts are stubborn, sb81 which enabled 287(g) to be used in Utah died in Shurtleffs office. He sent a letter to ICE entering into partnership, and telling them what Utah would allow them to do. Needless to say, they refused. That killed future use of the program.

  • K.Y Greenbrae, CA
    Feb. 18, 2011 11:21 p.m.

    This bill is just to pander to voters in the coming elections, this wont do anything to curb illegal immigration and will only widen the divisive line among communities. How can the USA being such a great country not have the intelligence to deal with such a serious issue and come up with some comprehensive solution to the problem?

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 11:11 p.m.

    This bill could potentially be very scary, potentially very good. It could turn into something that makes leaving your house without ID illegal, but it could help get a handle on illegal immigration.

    If this does end up passing I hope there are safeguards in place that make it so cops can't just stop anyone and threaten them with arrest if they don't present an ID and submit to a background check.

    I really don't want to live in a police state.

  • first of all Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 9:47 p.m.

    awe...golly-gee-shucks-a-roo. There goes the price of apples.

  • facts_r_stubborn Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 9:16 p.m.

    Why won't the enforcement faithful in Utah acknowledge the facts?

    "Currently ICE has 287(g) agreements with 71 law enforcement agencies in 25 states. Since January 2006, the 287(g) program is credited with identifying more than 185,000 potentially removable aliens -- mostly at local jails. ICE has trained and certified more than 1,213 state and local officers to enforce immigration law."

    -U.S. Immigration & Customs Enforcement

    Currently, Utah has two counties, Washington and Weber with 287(g) MOAs. They are miles ahead of other Utah counties under the Sandstrom bill. The Utah law will provide no funding, no training, no coordination with ICE, no equipment and no support, but will dictate an unfunded mandate to your local government!

    "ICE will be responsible for the purchase, installation, and maintenance of technology similar hardware/software) necessary to support the investigative functions of participating WCSO personnel at each WCSO facility with an active 287(g) program."

    - extract from Washington County, Utah MOA contract with ICE

    Why don't other Utah counties take advantage of the ICE equipment and training?

    Why do Utah legislators and many Utah citizens insist on Yugo enforcement, when they could have Ferrari enforcement?

  • facts_r_stubborn Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 8:48 p.m.

    Back to number 3 which is the most important point of all. I can't understand why those who support strong enforcment do not seem to either know about or support programs like Secure Communities and 287(g). They have proven results in many jurisdictions across the nation. Utah's new law is a weaker program by far.

    "Harris (Texas) is the nation's third most-populous county; it includes Houston and has one of the largest concentrations of illegal aliens. It has implemented both Secure Communities and 287(g). Both programs identify and place detainers on aliens who have been arrested by local officers and deputies, putting these offenders on the path to removal rather than allowing them to remain here to commit more crimes. Secure Communities is an automated screening system that runs the fingerprints of everyone booked into participating jails through immigration databases and then forwards the hits to ICE technicians, who select criminal aliens for removal processing. Under 287(g), specially trained local officers screen and process aliens who have been arrested in that jurisdiction." - Center for Immigration Studies

    What say you Utahn's for immigration enforcement, message bills, or real results?

  • Rufio Saratoga, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 8:36 p.m.

    John C.C.: streamlining the Visa process is not something that can be addressed at a state level. The Harry Reid crowd have refused to do it in Washington, try calling them.

  • John C. C. Payson, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 8:24 p.m.

    "We the People" claims to support legal entry. I do, too. Then why do we insist on sealed borders and enforcement only. Why not call for an increase in and streamlining of the visa process? Let them in legally and we wouldn't have such pressure at the borders. We could select those we want and draw away those that are prey to the criminal smugglers. People aren't illegal. Our laws just call them that. Correct our mistake.

  • JanSan Pocatello, ID
    Feb. 18, 2011 6:52 p.m.

    You know I get REALLY tired of being told that I am not a compassionate person just because I do not agree with some of the people on here.
    Why is it that compassion is only for the illeagal alien... yes, they are people - so am I !!! Where is your compassion for all the citizens in this state and country that cannot get a job, their SS money is almost non existent, people who get robbed or raped or have their credit destroyed by these people. What about those who are in accidents with these people who have not license. YEA!!!!! citizens do this also - but why should we have to deal with our own citizens like this and also another country's citizens like this? They are breaking the law just by being here.. why should they get a free ride with this when if I do something illeagal I have to pay a fine or do time? Some people complain about upper/lower classes.. I agree.. The illeagals have been the uppen class long enough.. they have taken the fruits of this land that most of the leagal citizen cannot have.. this is not fair.

  • facts_r_stubborn Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 6:47 p.m.

    For all those cheering the bill's success, please know that the bill is meant to please you and many other voters who do not really understand the enforcement issue. I don't have a problem with enforcment, but it should be effective enforcement. There are several significant problems with the bill.

    First, it is an unfunded mandate to local law enforcement agencies. Without added resources, local agencies will be forced to either increase the budget for enforcement by raising local taxes, or more likely, re-prioritize away from other more serious crimes. If the legislature was serious about this bill, why not fund it?

    Second, without training and ccordination with federal ICE agents, those who are picked up may not be able to be deported, since only ICE can do that.

    Third, every thing this bill contains and more has already been available to state and local law enforcement through 287(g) and Secure Communities. This fact alone proves that Sandstrom's bill is nothing more than a political move to passify Utah citizens who understandably want federal immigration laws enforced.

    Fourth, hopefully Utah will not have to defend the laws constitutionality, which will be costly to Utah.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 6:28 p.m.

    Its been gutted. Proponents will have a few good moments if it becomes law. Not what they hoped for or expected though.

  • DaleC Magna, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 6:16 p.m.

    If we don't stop this nonsense of persecuting the Latinos, we are going to bring about the judgements and destruction on our heads that have been fortold. I just can't believe that we are this stupid!

  • Yung Provo, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 6:08 p.m.

    What happened to the Compact Stephen?

  • Norm Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 6:03 p.m.

    This is a start. Reading the above comments I shutter to think these people condone illegal entry into our country, they should try entering a South American country and see how far they make it. Compassion I have but not towards a person who enters our country illegal. Why should my tax money be used to take care of illegal immigrants which it does. I appplaud the legislators for at least putting it in a postion that we can possibilty slow the flow of illegls into Utah. This is not only Utah trying to correct a bad situation, many states across the nation are addresing it. As they do the illegal population will flow to the state that has the least resistance and increased benefits. Lets be concerned about American citizens. Increase the number of immigrants that apply legally but stop the open door policy for illegal alliens. I hear comments all over the United States when traveling that comment about Utah being a sanctuary state. The neighboring states appreciate our open door policy. Thanks House now lets see what the Senate does, its a start much needed.

  • Rain33 St. George,, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 6:03 p.m.

    I do not understand why people can't see that the illegal "trespassers" are ruining and breaking our state. I can have just as much compassion for them if they go back to their home country as I can if they are here, eating up all the services that they haven't earned. Yes, they are criminals. The minute they stepped or swam across the border, they have broken the law. Joseph Smith said "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying , honoring, and sustaining the law. Well, do we believe him or not ?

  • JNA Layton, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 5:47 p.m.

    This is a feel good law and nothing more. We might all feel better about seeing a few illegal immigrants sent home. It will be the ones with families who are working hard and trying to do the best they can but this will not effect the hard core illegal drug kingpins and other illegal criminals. I hope all of you who are calling for the letter of law will now sleep good at night because we send a few illegals home but trust me, the ones who really need to get caught and set away will not.

  • kemitc Nashville, TN
    Feb. 18, 2011 5:19 p.m.

    @Chester Brough Legal immigrants are require to have their green cards on them at all times. It's part of the process. Illegal immigrants are not innocent citizens, they are law breakers nothing more. I'll be glad once TN passes it's version of the AZ law. I'm tired of everyone trying to pretend they are innocent victims. I for one have no problem when the missionaries bring them in and baptism them, but as soon as I find out they are illegal I call ICE as required by law.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 5:09 p.m.

    I hope our Utah law enforcers are not as ignorant as the elected officials in the House.
    US citizens that are not Caucasian must carry proof of citizenship or legal status at all times while in Utah. A higher class of US citizen in Utah has emerged.
    If you are not of this class you may be asked to prove yourself if suspected of a class C misdemeanor, EVEN US CITIZENS! A police state in Utah, I thought we are for limited government!
    My heart is heavy and my Scot background in America is over 400 years old. I am so embarrassed of my state.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 5:06 p.m.

    Our legislators will spend tax money we don't have to defend this garbage message bill. Like Sandstrom's childish answer to the funding was the cops are getting paid anyway as if this would ad no more time to do these background checks.

    Perhaps those who think this will fly should be paying for there publicity stunt.

  • nick Provo, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 5:00 p.m.

    Great news! God bless America, and God bless the great sovereign State of Utah.

  • Chester Brough Providence, Utah
    Feb. 18, 2011 4:54 p.m.

    It is apparent that our legislature has nothing better to do than to intimidate, question, and detain innocent citizens to force a document carrying nightmare; if they look Hispanic, or are darker than others, you have an improper witch hunt!

    No one carries vital citizenship papers with them, they must be carefully cared for in special files at home; for Green-cards and Citizenship cards cannot be replaced without paying hundreds of dollars, so now darker skinned people must carry everything around to ensure shorter detainment by an overworked police officer?

    It is a relief that Arizona's law, similar to this was over turned on 4 of the 5 major provisions, including the ones in Utah version in federal court. If you actually read the opinion like legal scholars and our Attorney General you will see quickly why this law cannot be allowed to stand in our wonderful land. The legislature has not listened to the hundreds of former Congressman, Governors, Mayors and state legislatures why taking a better balanced approach to this issue is vital! It is not them or us, it appears that they have not read and digested this fine document, "The Utah Compact".

  • frelsi Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 4:53 p.m.

    This is troubling. We need to be cautious about giving the Gov. too much authority. I hope the Senate considers this wisely.

  • lwad61 Provo, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 4:42 p.m.

    Once again expedience and the supposed letter of the law trump compassion and commonsense. We must increasingly be getting a reputation as a people of hard hearts and narrow minds.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 4:30 p.m.

    This is hardly controversial. Most of us have been pulled over by police for the most mundane of reasons--license plate light is out, for example--because that is the only random way we have in order to see if something else is wrong. This is how we catch many DUI and illicit drug use criminals. Now, we add illegal immigration to the catch-all method of enforcement!

  • We the People Sandy, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 3:49 p.m.

    Excellent. Let us quickly usher this bill into law. Illegals need to go home. We welcome all who come here legally!