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Published: Tuesday, Feb. 15 2011 6:04 p.m. MST

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Bryan
Syracuse, UT

This is unbelievable. The Legislature needs to be passing laws that get illegals out of our state, not laws that encourage them to come here! Every single one of those committee members that voted in favor of this bill need to be booted out!

wigglwagon
Mariion, Va

"In today's society, you cannot find anyone to work on farms," said Ure, a Kamas dairy owner. "There's not two kids at South Summit High School who know which end of a pitchfork to lean on."

"Wright, R-Holden, said the proposal is driven by Americans unwillingness to do menial jobs."

In today's society, most employers, including farmers, suffer from insatiable greed. When demand for their products increase, they raise their prices. When demand for labor increases, they want to change the rules so they can keep the pool of labor artificially inflated with illegal aliens. The only reason kids will not do farm work is that farmers are too greedy to allow 'supply and demand' to determine wages!!!

Americans alleged unwillingness to do menial jobs is a result of employers belief that the ruling class, such as themselves, should not be required to pay a living wage to the lowly serving class.

JBrady
Murray, Ut

I don't think legislatures should be running down the very people they are suppose to represent. There already is a guest worker program in the US, the H-1a visa. But many employers are to lazy to fill out the forms and instead prefer to become criminals and hire people here illegally.

Guest workers, or visa workers have to do jobs that the employer cannot fill locally. They also cannot depress the wages of others doing the same work in the area. Either one of the guest work bills violates both laws. American jobs belong to American citizens. You can move your country overseas, but in this country you hire Americans.

This bill fails to admit that human beings are already here able to work those jobs that belong to American citizens. Don't blame your vote on compassion, it works both ways.

SLars
Provo, UT

You don't give away jobs from your fellow citizens. Talk about lack of compassion. Maybe the kids at South Summit high are smart enough to find someone who pays better.

Can't we just start enforcing the laws? Not showing compassion is physical violence and mob rule, like Mexico (human rights violations from amnesty international). Compassion comes from enforcement. It makes everyone play by the same rules.

My2Cents
Kearns, UT

This is against the law big time. Only the Federal immigration can issue green cards, the states cannot issue them. These committees better get on the ball and use their powers of observations and witness the destruction of their city and state with all the illegal Mexicans being harbored by Utah law enforceable. We cannot sell our country to greed and profit, its not worth the cost of surrender.

jmfay
denver, co

Is there something in the water in UT? Since when is a state allowed to decide who gets to be here and who doesnt? refering to the second permit allowing the illegal's immediate family to be here legally?

If the feds are going to sue AZ with a law of theirs that supposed to be the same as federal law what do you suppose they will do with a law that flies into the face of federal law? and if its nothing; we can see a citizen filing suit which will get to the SCOTUS and UT loses this one.

Please do not pass this out of your legislature.

Norm
Salt Lake City, UT

To do this only opens the door for a increase of illegal imigrants coming to Utah. How can you condone a person committing a crime by giving them a free pass to break the law. States through out the United States trying to create or enforce laws that will not encourage illegal entrance to there states. Our nation has a major problem dont find ways to encourage people to come here illegal. Must be controlled just not a open door.
Work permits if controlled can work as they do in Canada. The migrant workers allowed to be in Canada 180 days during the harvest season then must leave the country. They are not allowed to bring family members. Please don't pass a wide open program, take a look at the consequences.

staypuffinpc
Provo, UT

Wow! Where to start...
First, the claim that Americans won't work on farms is absurd. It's rather that the employers have gotten used to abusing illegal immigrants and paying inordinately low wages (and often delaying payments, or missing them completely).

Second, this is vigilante lawmaking at its best. The state doesn't like the way the entity with authority (i.e., the Feds) is handling the situation, so they usurp that authority and take matters into their own hands. It's the prerogative of the federal government to handle immigration, not the states.

danaslc
Kearns, UT

The ACLU stood up and told the committee that forming a Guest Worker Program is against the Constitution. Shocking for the ACLU. They also said that this program is going to send Illegal Immigrants running to Utah. This was not a conservative bunch. Those in the committee were all liberal fruitcakes. This bill will be dead when it hits the Senate Floor. The Federal Government are the only ones that can give out Visa's. This is exactly what they would be doing. Utah is not a little socialist kingdom to be played with. It is not a nation, it is a state. Conservative, well no. Tons of Progressives are running this state. Or lets say their little kingdom.

tiger1
New York, NY

I hope this bill is approved. It will bring people out of obscurity and solve the problem for many business owners.

Dixie Dan
Saint George, UT

With high unemployment, why aren't our local citizens flocking to fill these jobs? Don't our local farmers pay a living wage?

ardmore
Salt Lake City, UT

Finally, a step in the right direction. I am all for this as long as these workers are paid fairly with wages and benefits for their families. Plus, the criminal background check should ease the minds of those that embrace fear of immigrants.

Hopefully this will lead to a more open policy for immigration, just like when my ancestors arrived here from Europe.

kemitc
Nashville, TN

It figures! Utah is so WEAK. They apparently don't care about their citizens, badmouth Americans, and prefer illegals as opposed to US Citizens. Maybe Utah should consider giving the land back to the mexicans also. Good to know that if there is an uprising in this country we know where the Beehive state will be.

facts_r_stubborn
Kaysville, UT

At least I am consistent. I don't support this Utah "Guest Worker" bill anymore than I support Utah enforcement bills like Sandstrom's.

Tha answer to Federal immigration law and enforcement has to come from the U.S. Congress. I am for both comprehensive reform and improved enforcement at the national level.

On the enforcement side state only enforcement bills will never be effective. No training, no resources for enforcement, no coordination with ICE agents, no facilities to hold illegals, and you can't build a fence around Utah.

Ironically, very effective Federal programs such as Secure Communities and 287(g) that share immigration enforcement duties with local authorites are already available. No need to reinvent the wheel.

On the comprehensive reform side, a Utah only guest worker program is a big mistake. It will only bring more undocumented workers to the state looking for employment. Furthermore, they will still be here illegally from a national jurisdiction perspective.

Both enforcement and comprehenisive reforms like guest workder programs must be accomplised at the national not the state level.

The Utah compact has it exactly right, for the right reasons, the illegal immigration problem calls for a national solution.

J-TX
Allen, TX

"a guest worker permit and an immediate family permit. The latter would allow the undocumented worker's spouse and unmarried children under age 21 to be in the country lawfully"

Notice it says "lawfully", not "legally". The family would only be here in accordance with this sham of a law.

Since when does a State have the authority to tell the Federal government who is allowed into the Country?

Dan Walters
La Quinta, CA

Isn't CHEAP LABOR what the whole
illegal immigration issue is about?
Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage.
Consumers don't want expensive produce.
Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs.
But the bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase "cheap labor" is a myth, a farce, and a lie!
Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. He takes a job for $8.00/hour. At that wage, with six dependents, he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an Income Tax Return,
he gets an earned income credit of up to $3,200 free.
He qualifies for food stamps.
He qualifies for free (no co-pay) health care.
His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.
He requires bilingual teachers and books.
He qualifies for relief from high energy bills.
If they are or become, aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for Social Security. And once they qualify for SSI they can qualify for Medicare. All of this is at (our) taxpayer's expense.

calou84523
Ferron, Utah

While I am, in general, pro guest worker programs I am totally against this bill which is in fact an attempt at amnesty in disguise and places the state and employers in the position of aiding and abetting the commission of a federal crime.

A properly managed guest worker program would provide employers with an eager labour source, protect the "guest workers" from exploitation, help mitigate the illegal immigrant problem to some extent, and provide a legal path for "guest workers" to become legal residents but any "guest worker" program MUST begin with potential "guests" applying for a "guest worker" visa in their home country and being approved for entry into the U.S. and limit entry to the "guest worker" ONLY and only for a given amount of time. His sponsor (employer) would then be wholly responsible for the "guest worker" to include the worker returns to his country of origin at the end of his/her visa.

Anything other than this is amnesty!

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

How do employers of illegal trespassers justify themselves?
How do they look themselves in the mirror?
What about ethics?
Are their ethics determined by "as long as I don't get caught cheating, it MUST BE OK"?

Or: "I'm ENTITLED to pay below minimum wage rates, because I'm a member of the right church!

Employers either abide by the law, and/or a moral code of ethics - or- they don't!

Please, employers don't try to justify breaking the law, just tell us you don't respect the laws so we know exactly where you stand.

At least then you're being truthful!!

Celticwolf
Syracuse, Utah

Why can't we round them up and ship them back to their own countries for being illegal immigrants? They don't deserve any kindness at all for breaking our law by coming here illegally.

Let's let Al-Quide all come in illegally and take part in this while we are at it.

anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

"It provides a means for undocumented immigrants to legally work in the state."

Then it is Amnesty, for nearly all intents and purposes. It makes no difference to the unemployed American that it is not an official pathway to "citizenship," per se.

The bill would create two types of permits a guest worker permit and an immediate family permit. The latter would allow the undocumented worker's spouse and unmarried children under age 21 to be in the country lawfully."

Any honest person will recognize that this is blatantly unfair to the millions of good people in many countries around the world who will never be able to emigrate to this country because a certain group of lawbreakers gets preferential treatment over everybody else.

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