chs 85My point is that we are calling an accomplishment, spending taxpayer
money until we are in severe debt. Bluster? I want our representatives to lay
off the legislation for a bit and start to dismantle the bankrupting building
they have constructed since hatch has been in DC.
After 34 years, it is time for Hatch to retire gracefully. If not, the GOP
delegates need to force retirement. Money and name recognition carry far less
weight in convention than in the primary or general. That is the beauty of the
convention.Hatch voted for TARP. He has introduced a balanced
budget amendment multiple times, but not when the GOP actually controlled both
houses of congress during the Bush years near as I recall. He has been far too
quick to confirm the most liberal of federal judicial appointments; and far too
slow to actually push through conservative judicial appointments.He
has done a great job over the years of convincing the national and local media
that is conservative. And maybe standing next to Ted Kennedy he is. But for
Utah, he has been far too liberal for far too long.Given his tenure
and seniority, he must accept significant blame for where the nation is
today.I don't know whether Chaffetz is the right guy or not to
replace Hatch. But certainly somebody is and it is time for Hatch to go.
Remember, Hatch had ZERO elected experience when he was elected Senator.
Orrin has introduced a Balanced Budget Amendment 17 times during his 34 years
(and counting) years in the Senate. He's running hard to the right to get
re-elected, and he's introduced the BBA again this year. You'd have
to say he's got some pretty serious conservative credentials. . . but then
there's that darn TARP vote.He told CPAC and the Tea Party Express
conclaves in the last two weeks his TARP vote was a "mistake." There's no doubt he's in trouble, and he knows it. All it's going to
take is a respectable alternative from among the ranks to oppose him, and no
matter who emerges this election cycle they'll have a shot at unseating him.You can find plenty in a guy's voting record over 34 years not to like
-- that's the easy part. Give us an acceptable replacement and he'll be gone.
Incumbents are dropping like flies. America, in case you hadn't
noticed yet, is hungry for a change of direction. We're no longer fascinated
with seniority and longevity.I'm betting the voters' mood won't
change much between now and then.
Age is an issue. It may be the defining issue, all other considerations being
equal. No one his age has ever been elected as a senator from Utah.
. . never, ever. . . yet. He's hoping to break through and set a longevity
record. . . but. . .Hansen's statement is correct -- he's 76 today,
but in a month he'll be 77, then on election day next year he'll be 78 years
old. If re-elected, he would be 84 at the end of his next term, and
will have served 42 of his 84 years as a U.S. Senator. That's half his life!It's the elephant in the room, but is is going to be an unavoidable
reality when the voters step into the booth in November 2012.
Voting for Hatch again is akin to condoning what has happened to government in
the last 34 years.Chaffetz has pledged to cut spending, stop illegal
aliens from overwhelming our country and takes a hard line against big
government.I think the choice is simple.
@KM Inquiring minds want to know what exactly has Jason done to
"to curb the appetite of the masses for 'free money'?" What
legislation has he introduced to do that? Bluster is worth the paper it is
I don't have dog in this fight. It looks like the males are at it again. Old
leader, new wannabe leader. Do the democrats have anyone beside old man and
Why all the priority on what Chaffetz has accomplished? If you mean by
accomplish...bring home the federal redistributed money, then maybe Chaffitz
isn't for you. If you want a stand up guy that will try to curb the appetite of
the masses for 'free money' then vote for Jason.
You'd have to really be unlikeable to finish second behind Hatch for pete's
sake.Problem for Chaffetz is the only thing he has accomplished is
running his mouth and doing nothing for Utah. At least hatch and Bennett did
something or Utah. Now the uninformed rage voters of Utah have lost Bennett's
seniority and placement to hand power over to other parts of the GOP which will
rob Utah of our fair share.
I do not support any multi-decade politician who does not know when it is time
to step down. Hatch, Kennedy, Byrd and others like them do not do their
constituents any good, rather they only attempt to boost their own ego and
status. Hatch is not a conservative and is bordering on RINO status. I wecome
a strong challenge to Hatch by Chaffetz, or other qualified candidates who will
work for the residents of Utah, and not aspire to become one of the old fixtures
Pray tell, Utah:What exactly has Hatch done wrong?And
what has this new guy done right?
I think they both are poor options. That's the problem with politics in
general. Only the self-absorbed seek these offices. They talk a good talk, but
in the end do what's in their own best interests. It's unfortunate
our political climate allows for only the extremes at either end of the
political spectrum. As a moderate I don't even have the lesser of two evils
anymore. Only two evils! Even if I could run, I could not win a primary
(either party) because I'm not radical enough to suit the "base".
It's the extremists that are hurting our country...BOTH SIDES!
Name callers: please state which actions led you to oppose Hatch. He's been a
staunch conservative his entire career in the Senate. He single handedly kept
Hill Air Force Base open, the State's largest employer. If the GOP regains
control of the senate, Hatch is certain to chair a very important committee.
We'd be idiotic to not re-elect him.
You promised us you would stay as long as Teddy Kennedy.Well, Teddy
has passed on Orrin.It's time to leave. 1976 you were elected
1976!!!!!!Our Founding Fathers never intended lifetime service for
Congress. Only the Supreme Court is granted that.Know when to go.
Athletes stay too long, polititions, paleeze.Follow Lavell Edwards
and go out on top, go fishing, do something else with your life. You may
not be tired, but we are tired of you. You will not get out of the
Primaries.Frankly, you stood idle for the last ten years while this
whole metltdown took place.You were not there for us. Now, let's do this with dignity, and not the like the tantrum laden exit of
Bob Bennett.You are not a Prince, stop acting like one.
What is interesting from the article and the posts is there seems to be the
notion that there is ONLY Hatch or Chaffetz to choose from in the senate race.
Those that think Hatch should stay I have a question for you - if
you can't get the job done in 34 years how much time do you need?Chaffetz - met him when he worked for Huntsman, it was too difficult to get
past his arrogance to actually have a conversation with him. There
must be someone else viable for the job. I don't believe seniority is a valid
necessity, change is good for the country; that way they know their perks are
limited and so is their special interest influence.
Folks, this isn't a situation of "anybody is better than Hatch."
That's how Chafftez got to Washington in the first place "anybody is better
than Cannon." Chaffetz is the wrong man to have in Washington
in any capacity. Period.He waits for a weakness and exploits it.
He waited a long time to run the first time as he measured Cannon's popularity
and positioned himself...think Cougar Club, etc.Then he went for
Cannon's seat outside of the district he lived in, not because he wanted to
serve, but because he smelled blood.Please..can't we do better????
The worst news in a headline I've read for a long time.
I would not feel comfortable supporting Chaffetz, but absolutely feel Hatch has
been in there too long and needs to go. I wish he would go with some style,
rather than kicking and screaming like Bennett.
I will never vote for Hatch again, nor will anyone I know. I will campaign for
anyone against him.
Here's an idea. Since we really can't afford two freshman senators, keep Hatch
in for another term (he'll be retiring anyway), then let the best candidate run
against him during the next election. This way, we'll at least have some
experience back in Washington. Right now, Chaffetz is better suited for Congress
than the Senate anyway.
Orrin Hatch has become a creature of Washington. It is time for him to go.
Didn't we learn anything from the last election. It does not matter what the
majority wants, only what the "involved" citizens want, those who
attend the nieghborhood meetings and are elected as delegates to the state
convention. If Bennett had reached the primary he would still be
our senator becaused the "uninformed" would have voted him back into
Senator Hatch has the know how that Chaffetz lacks. Chaffetz
polarizes himself towards Romney who is known for flopping on issues.Fickle describes Chaffetz career thus far.
In a way, this poll is irrelevant. Hatch would have to get through the
delegates and convention, and we all know how crazy right wing they are. In
either case, Utah would not be well served by either of these men. Hatch should
go, it's been too long, and Chaffetz is a show boat and too extreme to really be
effective - a legend in his own mind.
I have been pleased with much of Chaffetz' work but cannot support him in a bid
that would cripple Utah. I too will run as a delegate to ensure that Hatch is
not blindsided by the ultra-radical right which controls the grass roots of
Republican politics, against the majority of the state's will. Heaven help Utah
if "The Ego" replaces Hatch.
Oh, please. What has Chaffetz accomplished? Why is he anybody to be considered
for the Senate? All many of us see is an opportunist/narcissist more concerned
about his personal fame than actually doing any work. I would not be
comfortable voting for him over Hatch until I see more of a record of
The only reason, I mean ONLY reason to worry about freshmen legislators is in
the fight over perks, cash and bacon. $15 trillion of debt later, another $100
trillion of unfunded obligations later I am sick and tired of people worrying
about having seniority to go deeper into debt. Hatch MUST GO! One
note, I highly doubt this poll. Dan Jones is notoriously biased towards the
machine. For those who pay attention Jones has been more then 20 points off when
it comes to reporting for machine politicians. All you have to do is compare his
"surveys" versus actual poll results. He is notorious for bias.An honest poll likley shows Chaffetz up by 5+ points, a 15 point swing.
Finally, Chaffetz is going to run. Jeff Flake of Arizona announced he is running
for Senate. Chaffetz wants to hang out with him in the Senate.
Can Utah really afford two freshmen Senators and two freshmen Representatives?
I understand the displeasure with some of the votes Senator Hatch has done but
isn't getting rid of all of our Congressional leaders who have Seniority a bad
idea? We have real problems in this country that need to be fixed. Being head
of the finance committee is a powerful role in fixing those tough problems. Do
we really want Olympia Snow to be in charge? That's who will be the head of
Finance if Senator Hatch is gone. The very thought keeps me up at night.
Go Jason!Orrin- please be a real statesman and see the change in
priorities among voters. We no longer want "seniority" and
"experience" but rather we want elected officials who will Stop The
Spending!I look forward to being a delegate next year and sending
Hatch into retirement (after many decades in Washington), if he does not
graciously retire on his own.