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  • Sunna CALGARY, Alberta
    June 27, 2011 5:34 p.m.

    This is really manipulation. If missionaries can not go to Mexico from other countries more likely the LDS Church will just send missionaries from within Mexico to Mexican missions.
    Switzerland has put a stop on missionaries coming from outside Europe to Switzerland due to immigration problems they have. Missionaries just go there from European countries instead.

  • K.Y Greenbrae, CA
    Feb. 18, 2011 11:26 p.m.

    That is very silly, however it is dangerous for any American visiting or doing anything in Mexico now days, so it might not be a bad idea after all !

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 11:27 a.m.

    @Jazzie 3:50

    Could not have said it better myself!

    This is a perfect example of the real message certain people send when they shout "Separate Church and State!"

    What they really mean is, "Separate Church and State, Unless We Agree With The Church!"

  • Celticwolf Syracuse, Utah
    Feb. 16, 2011 9:57 a.m.

    Number 1:

    My American Constitution has a separation of Church and State clause in it.

    So it is against the constitution for the church to be involved in this issue because it's a state issue.

    Number 2:

    They no longer need visa's. All of Mexico is already in the U.S.A. illegally so those visa's are useless.

  • snowman Provo, UT
    Feb. 15, 2011 10:30 p.m.

    I hope some people here realize that when LDS missionaries go to other countries, they do so legally.

  • phgreek Hooper, UT
    Feb. 15, 2011 1:09 p.m.

    I think the church leadership wants this to be dealt with in such a way that families are considered in the solution...so far, they have chosen a position acceptable to members, and applicable to doctrine...and not ILLEGAL (gotta be carefull how political you get). All in all a measured, responsible response. I'm sure if the leadership sees another opportunity and is motivated by adherence to doctrine, they'll say something else.

    I'm not even LDS...but I,m pretty sure APOLOGIZING for the Prophet is probably not a good thing for your spiritual course...Look up pride in your doctrine there pal...GEEZ!

    News flash, the immigration process is broken, allowing immigration to occur w/o controls has been shown throughout history to be A BAD THING...Our Federal Government is simply inept, and now hiding from this...if not the states then who?

    The days of the Fed dragging their feet on issues affecting states so seriously are OVER! Mr. Lincoln is rolling over in his grave...but he also knows he can't be angry at the states.

  • tiger1 New York, NY
    Feb. 15, 2011 11:59 a.m.

    Hugh Gater,
    This must be a low point in your life, Do you have first hand info or did you at least see the checks yourself? LOL. Any church assistance is supposed to be under privacy. To my knowledge the LDS church has not said how much goes in assistance to any immigrant group in the USA.
    Regarding the article, Mexicans have to be cornered, and desperate to resort to such petition, which BTW I do not agree, but I understand their frustations in UT.

  • Hugh G. Hater SLC, UT
    Feb. 15, 2011 11:19 a.m.

    The irony is the massive amount of welfare checks cut by bishops around the state to hispanic families.

  • Bored to the point of THIS! Ogden, UT
    Feb. 15, 2011 7:42 a.m.

    I support the right to petition the government. It's a founding principle in our Constitution. Oh wait, that's the United States government. Sorry, my bad!

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2011 5:54 a.m.

    The mentality of these people to try and take away freedom of religion, to blackmail their way into illegal immigration.

    Obviously the people orchestrating this, needs to take some time and learn US culture and values and try to understand our viewpoint. The world needs to get away from the victim mentality and blame the US for all of their own personal problems.

    Of course this would require them to learn some english and branch out beyond their own culture, and become open that there are other people in this world. It would be interesting to see if the document is written in spanish or english....

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Feb. 15, 2011 1:26 a.m.

    Were they 100 Mexicans or were they 100 East-bench liberals who hate the LDS church with every fiber of their being, who still think that the "Salamander Letter" is an accurate document, and who signed onto this because they love nothing more than stopping the work of the Lord from progressing?

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Feb. 15, 2011 1:21 a.m.

    It amazes me how much hate there is of Mexico. Mexico has 12 temples with a 13th on the way. There are many good and righteous people in that land, and the hate of everyone south of the Rio Grande by Neanderthal and his equally backward endorsers is disturbing.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    Feb. 15, 2011 1:08 a.m.

    Raúl López-Vargas is trying to boost his popularity in the Hispanic community. He's a politician.

  • legalman Tooele, UT
    Feb. 14, 2011 10:51 p.m.

    How about we treat illegal aliens in the United States the same way Mexico treats illegals in their country?

  • Christy Beaverton, OR
    Feb. 14, 2011 6:57 p.m.

    Tony Yapias has nothing to do with this petition. Why don't you read the article you're commenting on, Darlene?

    And what's up with all these people quoting the 12th Article of Faith?

    "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law."

    How many of you honor President Obama or the new Health Care Reform Act?

    Hypocrites.

  • Darlene Linkus Orem, UT
    Feb. 14, 2011 6:10 p.m.

    The 12th Article of Faith of the Mormon religion states "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law."

    What does Tony Yapias not understand about this?

  • Jazzie Magna, UT
    Feb. 14, 2011 3:50 p.m.

    Let me get this straight. Now you "Want" the LDS church to take a stand on a poilitical issue, and a few months back it was not right for the LDS church to take a stand on a political issue.(Remember Prop 8????) You can't have it both ways. You desire the influence of the LDS church when it is a benefit to you or someone you love but you wish they would mind their own business when it is against your beliefs or that of the ones you love.
    Interesting...things that make you go hmmmmm???

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    Feb. 14, 2011 2:36 p.m.

    Might I suggest more carrots and less sticks? You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. Is any of this ringing a bell?

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Feb. 14, 2011 2:29 p.m.

    manaen:
    are you calling mexican illegals nazis?

  • manaen Buena Park, CA
    Feb. 14, 2011 1:48 p.m.

    If AoF 12's "obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law" is not conditional upon it being a good law -- per D&C 134:8 -- then why is Helmuth Hubener considered an LDS hero for breaking Nazi law?

    (See "Helmuth Hubener" in article in Wikipedia)

  • manaen Buena Park, CA
    Feb. 14, 2011 1:25 p.m.

    We believe in obeying the law -- if it's a "good" law (D&C 134:8). That's why we resisted the anti-polygamy laws and the Edmunds-Tucker Act that by law dissolved the legal status of the Church by law turned over the Church's property to the feds: they weren't "good."

    I don't see how a law enacted to shield current occupants from "because I have been given much I too must give" to disadvantaged people -- who were the legal owners of AZ and UT before being dispossesed by armed force not obeying the existing Mexican laws of those lands* -- could be considered a "good" law.

    A law whose purpose is to prevent the realization of "if ye are not equal in earthly things ye cannot be equal in obtaining heavenly things" D&C 78:6 cannot be "good" because it precludes its enforcers from the Celestial Kingdom in which God will make its inhabitants equal in those heavenly things (D&C 76:94-95).

    --------

    * Done by a country formed by not honoring, obeying, and sustaining the English laws of their land. This also was OK because those laws were not "good."

  • A proper Bostonian medford, MA
    Feb. 14, 2011 1:23 p.m.

    The illegals forget one thing, They're ILLEGAL!!! Why don't they do what my ancestors did? Cross the culture gap and become naturalized by the proper channels? It takes time and effort. Don't want to take the time, then take a hike. I make no apologies to those who would feed off a system my ancestors and I put into this country by sweat and hard work. Why should those lazy people who don't want to bother getting naturalized or visas enjoy what My family built for nearly a century? It's like letting uninvited strangers into my home to take what they want simply because they're in my neighborhood. Want to live in America? Become a citizen! It's not the Church's problem, it's the governments! Again, I make NO APOLOGIES! A system that shows selective deference to illegal immigrants is wrong.

  • TDS Clearfield, UT
    Feb. 14, 2011 1:14 p.m.

    To: Jaime Lee Bonberger

    So are you saying that might makes right? If so then the outcome doesn't matter. The state of Georgia over ran the Cherokee Nation even after the supreme court ruled that they were soviergn and subsequently many died on the trail of tears. The Mormons were driven out of several states unlawfully. Slaves continued to be imported into the country and enslaved even after the bill of rights. Japanese were rounded up during WWII and put in concentration camps. During the red scare people were rounded up and jailed because they were thought to be communists. Abraham Lincoln suspended Habias Corpus during the Cival War due to espionage. And ...... illegal immigrants are encrouching on your precious resources, but might makes right.

  • Alberto North Hollywood, california
    Feb. 14, 2011 1:10 p.m.

    It's incredible what those people are doing. As mormons, we have to be obdient of the law from the land we're living. If they don't have a legal status, why are they here? And even trying to protest against our missionaries obeying every aspect of the law. And they want to punish those missionaries because they are in USA illegally? Do are they Mormons? Shame on these people and they should be reading the Articles of Faith, and they will have the answer...

  • hhs88 slc, ut
    Feb. 14, 2011 1:00 p.m.

    People are frustrated on both sides. But, punishing the missionaries and the LDS Church is insane. When we lived abroad we were told we needed to speak the language and we learned it. Immigrants here need to learn English and to go through the proper channels to be here legally. There needs to be a process that helps the immigrants that isn't expensive and not over many, many years. Once here legally, they need to pay taxes, get involved in their children's schools and contribute to the communities that they live in. There is an answer out there if we would all think about what it would be like to walk in each others shoes.

  • jenrmc Fort Worth, TX
    Feb. 14, 2011 12:08 p.m.

    The LDS church is not a political organization, despite what it's involvement in California might suggest. It is dogmatic to hope that a church (regardless of the denomination) would exert any type of political pressure. The focus of a Christian belief system should be the salvation of souls not commenting on a border control issue.

  • KD Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2011 11:46 a.m.

    They need to be careful of what they wish for....

  • JanSan Pocatello, ID
    Feb. 14, 2011 11:37 a.m.

    Marie 12
    You seemed to have glossed over part of this AofF.. that of being HONEST!!!!! Or is this only for the LDS in America? Where is the need for the illeagle alien responcibility in being HONEST (as in obeying the laws of the land)?

    We can be caring and compassionate and loving without letting these people walk all over us! Moses was once refered to as the meekest of men.. yet he was not one to be taken advantaged of either!

    Is it hateful for a parent to punish a child for bad behavior? Is is hateful for a teacher to give a child an F for work that was way below what their normal work is? Is it hateful for someone to be excummunicated for commiting adultry? You can do all of these things and still show love and compassion to the person involved. Christ said.. render unto Ceaser's what is Ceaser's... in other words Obey the law of the land.

    Why do I get punished for disobeying the speading law and have to pay a fine - and yet we are suppose to look the other way when people come here unlawfully.. that is reverse bigotry.

  • mkSdd3 Ogden, UT
    Feb. 14, 2011 11:23 a.m.

    If this was really an organized group why did the news story not mention who this group is? That would seem to be an important part of this story.

    It could be that there is no group, and the press is just creating a story out of nothing.

    Why would they do that?

  • Hugo Stiglitz Ogden, UT
    Feb. 14, 2011 11:20 a.m.

    You know its funny, LDS members will refrence the 12th Article of Faith all day to support "anti-Mexican" feelings. Yet the LDS church has said that they support the UTAH COMPACT. Also Typical UT LDS members think they are so much greater than everyone. I have a surprise for many of the LDS Zionist Utah members. You can hold a temple recommend and be illegal. You can hold church callings and be illegal. You can serve a mission and be illegal. You would not know this in UT because the church in UT is more social pressure than actual testimony and conviction but the church does not care what your legal status is to be a member of the church and serve in it. So is the Church a walking contradiction accordint to its 12th Article of Faith?Also I guess the church has nothing to do with laws in this country.....unless its Prop 8 right?

    P.S. I am LDS and I think what this group is doing is idiotic and Stupid.

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 14, 2011 10:04 a.m.

    And immigrants wonder why people are concerned about more of them coming to this country? We have peace and opportunity here and they want to use these privileges opportunities for others in their home country.

    Why don't you boys just take the truck back to good old Mexico?

  • 22ozn44ozglass Moab, UT
    Feb. 14, 2011 10:03 a.m.

    RE: DixieAggie
    "There are tons of illegal Canadian immigrants, and yet the focus is on anybody with olive-to-brown skin and a Spanish accent" This is a falacious statement and your arguments serve to do what falices do-circumvent truth. The illegal immigrants from Canada and Europe amount to only 6 percent of the illegals living in the US. 78% of the Illegals in this Country are either from Mexico or other Latin American Countries and there is no debate that this represents the biggest single illegal immigrant problem as they all come through Mexico illegally into the US.

    When we start having Candadian gangs and the thugs sent here by Canadian drug lords terrorizing our neighborhoods and killing innocent US citizens on a dialy basis, When we start having serial sex offender raids by ICE(which are rarely published in the news) and they end up being Canadains instead of Mexicans and other latinos, when the Canadain illegals burden our counties and states with social services, health care, and police services and burden the working US tax paying citizen to even 1/10th the degree that the Mexicans and latino illeglas have, you might have a legitimate argument.

  • Jazz Bass Man Wellsville, Utah
    Feb. 14, 2011 9:54 a.m.

    Just like the illegal alien marches that took place all over the country a few years back, this action by the illegal alien community will only backfire on them. When America saw the true nature of these people, marching with mexican flags and "viva la raza" or "viva la reconquista" signs, we all were infuriated at their demands of amnesty, and ever since then, the majority of our citizens have been in opposition to granting them amnesty.

    This is the same in Utah, regardles of what church leaders say about compassion or amnesty. The more they push, the harder we all will push for enforcement bills like Stephen Sandstrom's.

  • Marie12 Cedar Hills, UT
    Feb. 14, 2011 9:52 a.m.

    I can see why the Mexican people are tired of our verbal persecution. We, LDS, DO NOT BREAK FAMILIES AT THE EXPENSE OF MONEY. Yes, the law must be implemented but it is our obligation to obey the Federal Laws of our country. This land is not ours, it is a choice land own by Jesus Christ, our master.
    Article of Faith # 13:
    We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and DOING GOOD TO ALL MEN.
    We do not follow the ABOMINABLE CHURCH, MONEY! All these persecutions against Mexicans, our neighbors, is for money. We should be ashamed of our unrighteous behaviors and dominions. We should help our Lamanites families with logical solutions to this complicated issue and no to dune them, otherwise we are a fake people that only follow the law for appearance. Utah should be the most international and cultural place on earth with all the people who have served international missions.

  • Jaime Lee Bonberger Houston, TX
    Feb. 14, 2011 7:25 a.m.

    Tommy2Shoes

    When Brigham Young arrived in the SL Valley in July 1847, the entire states of what are now Utah, Arizona, Nevada, California, and New Mexico were under American control. The treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo 6 months later formalized the acquisitions.

    Please name one square mile of US Territory that was not taken over by force at least once in its history.

    Mexico in the 1840s was forcibly taken from the Spanish a mere 25 years earlier. The Spaniards obviously acquired their territories via conquest of the Aztecs, Maya, etc.

    If we are to follow your line of logic, we should restore control of Utah to either Spain, to the Ute tribes, or to whatever people preceded the Ute tribes.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Feb. 14, 2011 6:34 a.m.

    It's past time for the Latino's to come out in favor of following the law, and encouraging those thinking of coming here illegally to come legally.

    Until then, actions like this cause distrust and resentment.

    They also prove the theory that they have no intention of stopping the illegal immigration and following our laws, and any kind of amnesty would just result in more of the same.

  • thelogicalone salt lake city, UT
    Feb. 14, 2011 12:59 a.m.

    Don't bite the hand that feeds you...(and gives you free education, free medical care, etc etc etc)

  • dsk CC, UT
    Feb. 14, 2011 12:04 a.m.

    100 signatures, must have been a family reunion. The only people who can rival Mormons with the size of families are those from south of the boarder. I used to attend family reunions in East LA that had at least 300 family members.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Feb. 13, 2011 11:09 p.m.

    We need a new compact. One that calls on everyone to honor the laws of the land, and encourage all those who come here, to do the same.

  • snowman Provo, UT
    Feb. 13, 2011 10:30 p.m.

    Dutchman: You are aware that the LDS missionaries do not get to choose where they go? There are many Mexican LDS missionaries that can preach the gospel in Mexico.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    Feb. 13, 2011 10:17 p.m.

    Mexico still has the 12th best economy in the world, and other than the border, it's murder rate is not much different that some larger American cities.

    This is about people coming here illegally, demanding citizenship, and striking out when they don't get it handed to them.

    It's a sad situation that they cannot endorse our laws and ask others to do so.

  • Dave from Taylorsville Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 13, 2011 10:13 p.m.

    ClarkHippo | 9:27 p.m. Feb. 12, 2011
    Tooele, UT
    100 SIGNATURES? That's it?

    Why is this even a news story?

    I AGREE!!!

    I am very tired of reading non-stories.

    100 signatures. Is that half of half of half of half of half of one percent of the latino population in Utah???

  • oldschool Farmington, UT
    Feb. 13, 2011 9:14 p.m.

    It this statement strong enough?

    We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

    That ought to do it. See Articles of Faith No. 12, written by Joseph Smith in answer to a newspaper reporter in 1842.

    Incidentally, why should Mexico worry about American visas if America doesn't worry about Mexican visas?

    All 13 articles of faith are still appropriate today. Too bad religious radicals don't believe in Article of Faith No. 11.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Feb. 13, 2011 8:46 p.m.

    As long as there is economic disparity between the United States and Mexico there will be illegal immigration problems. That is a fact you can bank on. Illegal immigration has nothing to do with respect or disrespect for laws. Mexico is a broken country and unless that changes the problems will continue. Given a choice would you rather sneak across a border for a better life or stay home and risk being gunned down by drug cartels. We need to stop demonizing people for being poor. They are our neighbors like it or not. The hard liners just want to close the borders and ignore the poverty, corruption, and violence next door. Out of sight out of mind.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Feb. 13, 2011 8:24 p.m.

    TMR I agree. Who are illegals immigrants really. Drug dealers and gang members or hard working people cleaning motel rooms and filling service sector jobs. To all those who say go home I ask go home to what, Poverty, violence, corruption. Mexico is a broken country, that is the problem, not illegal immigration. We all want legal immigration, myself included. The problem is what do you do when you are hungry and desperate. Of course they don't respect our laws when our laws aren't fair and anything over here is better than being murdered by drug cartels. It's easy to say fix their own country, the question is how. The solution to illegal immigration is a revolution in Mexico. Stop blaming our government for being able to control an 1,100 mile border. We can't, it is to long and porous. Theh mexican people have joined the LDS church by over a million members. They are not all lazy or just looking for a handout. Stop demonizing people for being poor and lets help them out.

  • CJ Murray, UT
    Feb. 13, 2011 6:44 p.m.

    The arrogance and audacity of the Mexican government and its people who come here by ignoring our laws is breathtaking. Every American and Utahn should be outraged at this kind of behavior which is nothing short of extortion on a grand scale.
    The Church does not have mind control over its members and the plain truth is that a majority of church members want the law enforced and illegals out of here regardless of what the church leaders have or haven't said. The removal of missionaries will clearly harm Mexico more than it will the church. The benefits Mexico gets from having the church there far outweighs the small amount of donations the church receives back.
    I think the church should take them at their word and refuse to give into such outrageous threats and demands, if the missionaries leave, so be it. We need to show them all who is the boss and send all their lawbreaking citizens back where they belong and let the chips fall where they may.
    Perhaps we can send Robles and Yapass with them and really improve the situation here.

  • EgbertThrockmorton Layton, UT
    Feb. 13, 2011 5:43 p.m.

    @cjb:
    Actually, I believe that a great majority of illegals coming into this country from wherever their home country of origin feel "entitled" to what the Estados Unidos offers it's citizens. That is bigoted, racist and truly idiotic. There is no "entitlement" due to any illegal alien, none at all.To assume that many of the LDS "followers" are bigoted and "hateful" is in itself, exactly what you are complaining about. Not terribly civil nor tolerant are you?, that's most unfortunate.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    Feb. 13, 2011 5:39 p.m.

    I grow weary of the attention that 100 people signing a petition can get over illegal immigration. The local media would ignore 100 Americans signing a petition. Maybe one line of mention in another story.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 13, 2011 5:15 p.m.

    Its not the church that is hateful and biggoted but unfortunately enough of its followers are that bad perceptions are created.

  • Wldflwr Lehi, UT
    Feb. 13, 2011 5:04 p.m.

    @ Cats: Two weeks ago I dropped my nephew off at the MTC. Going to Mexico, along with five other young men we met while having lunch that day. With what is going on there Iwouldn't mind him going somewhere else, but that is where he was called and that is where he wants to serve.

  • cindyacre Shelley, ID
    Feb. 13, 2011 4:28 p.m.

    Why did the liberals WANT the Church to speak out on THIS issue? Because it fits their agenda.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Feb. 13, 2011 4:17 p.m.

    TMR--I live eight miles from the border and have a good understanding of illegal immigrants. I know there's alot of good people, but there are alot of gang members and drug dealers. I don't know how you can miss that in California, and yes, they have cost our country alot. Do your homework and you can see that. These people are breaking the law by coming here and should go through the process of becoming legal. Wanting immigrants legalized does'nt make anyone a bigot filled with hatred.

  • Christy Beaverton, OR
    Feb. 13, 2011 4:12 p.m.

    If you are too lazy to read the article, and just assume that it is Tony Yapias who is leading this petition, because the DN lazily threw up an old photo on hand of a Latino signing something(Yapias), then you assume wrong. He's not part of this.

    From the article:

    Tony Yapias, director of Proyecto Latino de Utah, said he understands López-Vargas' frustration, but he doesn't believe taking action against LDS missionaries is the right thing to do.

    "My personal concern, I don't like to see missionaries be used as a means to resolve our immigration problems," said Yapias, whose own son recently returned from a LDS mission. "I don't think it's a good idea. There are other ways."

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    Feb. 13, 2011 4:08 p.m.

    All I have to say is LOL.:)

  • Dennis Harwich, MA
    Feb. 13, 2011 4:02 p.m.

    re: Cats
    When was the last time you heard of a missionary going to Wales, Finland, Switzerland, Lithuania, etc. etc.
    Just because your particular ward isn't sending them doesn't mean they don't go.
    Half the young men I grew up with went to Mexico and South America.

  • hardtaill Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 13, 2011 3:53 p.m.

    Illegal immigrants have no rights except for basic
    necessities. When they learn to respect this Country
    and get legal and contribute to It the way we did
    at the Statue of Liberty, then we'll respect them.
    What a foolish little petition.

  • Christy Beaverton, OR
    Feb. 13, 2011 3:27 p.m.

    I agree with Tony Yapias.

  • TMR Santa Monica, CA
    Feb. 13, 2011 2:45 p.m.

    To Worf: Even though they do not live in my neighborhood, I have had a handful of illegal immigrants to my home, and they do not belong to gangs, as you presume. Some are members of the LDS Church and all have been upstanding, decent, and hardworking folks.

    To IJ: California's problems stem from poor governance, not from illegal immigration. Most illegals are very productive and contribute to the economy, i.e., agricultural jobs, etc. that are difficult to staff. Both the economy and I welcome them.

    I have also lived in Europe where there are also issues of immigration. The difference is that the receipe for America's strength has been in part its immigration for reasons that go beyond this post. Suffice it to say that I believe that despite the bigotry, fear, and hatred (which always attend large masses of immigration in every Country throughout history), these immigrants can make America even stronger.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Feb. 13, 2011 2:42 p.m.

    Very misguided idea. Even if it were implemented, the LDS Church would send missionaries to Mexico from other countries thus suspending the opportunity for LDS young men and women in the U.S. from the opportunity of doing missionary work legally in Mexico. A great opportunity would be lost to expose these young people to the good people of Mexico thus strengthening ties and bonds.

  • Brer Rabbit Spanish Fork, UT
    Feb. 13, 2011 1:55 p.m.

    The official position of the LDS Church on illegal immigration is neutrality. There are a lot more members of the LDS Church in Utah that would like the church to take a position in opposition to the illegal immigrants, than those that want the LDS Church to support illegal immigration.

    The Church has to be neutral, because of that 12th Article of Faith. We believe...in honoring and sustaining the law... Illegal immigrants do not believe in this principle. The proof is that they are here illegally.

    Threatening the LDS Church leaders if they fail to take a political position of some group has never been a good idea. These threats only show the weakness of the position of the illegal alien enablers.

  • EgbertThrockmorton Layton, UT
    Feb. 13, 2011 1:36 p.m.

    It's most unfortunate that the "leaders" of Mexico have pilfered (stolen) the billions in Foreign Aid we've squandered needlessly on the corrupt regimes in Mexico. This petition is laughable, even those signing it, wouldn't go to Mexico "now", in a heartbeat to try and make things better. Besides,being an illegal in the Estados Unidos is far better than being a narcotrafficante foot soldier in the civil wars currently on-going in Mexico. We need to cease all foreign aid payments and assistance of any kind to Mexico. Use that money to secure our own border. Then we can speak with Mexico about their own internal rampant corruption.(not that it would do a bit of good) Viva le Estados Unidos!

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 13, 2011 1:35 p.m.

    @Jim

    [The LDS church has taken a stand on this issue many years ago. "Obey the law of the land". ]

    The church took a stand on this issue many years ago by knowingly baptizing and issuing temple recommends to illegal immigrants.

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    Feb. 13, 2011 1:34 p.m.

    Does that group mean legal immigrants or illegal aliens? I think just everyone is fine with the legal immigrants, it's the illegal aliens that 83% of Utahns have a problem with. And that group appealing only to the President of Mexico pretty well describes that group as R.....! How about the other 175 counties of the world? By the way, I think Mexico has a policy of banning ALL illegal aliens.

  • Tommy2Shoes Lehi, UT
    Feb. 13, 2011 12:59 p.m.

    When we didn't like how we were treated in the USA we packed up under threat of death and moved to to this place (then part of Mexico). The USA followed. Some moved to Mexico to escape government persecution of how we practiced marriage. We must remember that Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California, Nevada and Utah were taken by force from Mexico. Maybe they have just as much of a right to live here as we do. WE must reform our immigration laws and we must enforce our laws.

  • IJ Hyrum, Ut
    Feb. 13, 2011 12:46 p.m.

    Screwbal8, I agree that tearing families apart is not a good thing. So should we not send the married murders,rapist, and etc. to jail because it might tear a family apart? Those who break the law need to suffer the consequences. I'm very sorry if it tears a family apart but that should have been considered before they choose to engage in illegal activities.

  • DixieAggie St.George, Utah
    Feb. 13, 2011 12:28 p.m.

    I know illegal immigration is a problem, buy why all the focus on Mexicans? There are tons of illegal Canadian immigrants, and yet the focus is on anybody with olive-to-brown skin and a Spanish accent. If you think I'm joking, just Google illegal immigrants from Canada.

    Let's not kid ourselves, it has more to do with racism and bigotry than anything else.

  • JanSan Pocatello, ID
    Feb. 13, 2011 12:15 p.m.

    There are many differences in illeagal aliens and missionaries.
    Missionaries get legal visa to go into the country that they have been called to. Thus OBEYING the law of the land they are serving in.
    They also stay for a time limit of two years. How many of the illeagles have been here for that amount of time and then return home?
    To try and force the church to make a statement of acceptance of criminal behavior by these people is utterly immature of these people. They sound like they are throwing a temper tantrum. IF the President accepts this and does not allow the missionaries into there country - SO WHAT !! we will send missionaries from England, Cananda, Spain etc... and from withing Mexico itself. It will not stop the work from going on but WILL only increase the anger of ALL Americans for them pulling this off. This is only going to slap them in the face in the long run.

  • whoisjohngalt Holladay, UT
    Feb. 13, 2011 10:41 a.m.

    You have got to be kidding me! always blaming other people for their problems. LAME.

  • Jim B Pleasant Grove, Utah
    Feb. 13, 2011 10:25 a.m.

    The LDS church has taken a stand on this issue many years ago. "Obey the law of the land". Just what part of Illegal Immigrant do you not understand.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Feb. 13, 2011 10:11 a.m.

    TMR,

    I'm sure there are many needy people in your town. Many may be gang members and drug dealers. How many of them have moved into your house and you've fed and clothed them? I hope you're not mean spirited and a bigot by turning them away.

  • Serenity Manti, UT
    Feb. 13, 2011 10:06 a.m.

    From the LDS Church Newsdesk last November:

    The Church regards the declaration of the Utah Compact as a responsible approach to the urgent challenge of immigration reform. It is consistent with important principles for which we stand:

    We follow Jesus Christ by loving our neighbors. The Savior taught that the meaning of neighbor includes all of Gods children, in all places, at all times.

    We recognize an ever-present need to strengthen families. Families are meant to be together. Forced separation of working parents from their children weakens families and damages society.

    We acknowledge that every nation has the right to enforce its laws and secure its borders. All persons subject to a nations laws are accountable for their acts in relation to them.

    Public officials should create and administer laws that reflect the best of our aspirations as a just and caring society. Such laws will properly balance love for neighbors, family cohesion, and the observance of just and enforceable laws.

  • C. Darwin Sandy, UT
    Feb. 13, 2011 10:03 a.m.

    The entire illegal alien problem has been clearly demonstrated by this blackmail petition. Disreguard for all American laws and a lawless invasion of American lands by illegal foriegn nationals.. I am forever offended by illegals trying to force their agenda on Utah. The LDS church should remove all U.S. missionaries in Mexico and let the Mexicans carry on their missionary efforts using Mexican members.

  • JRJ Pocatello, ID
    Feb. 13, 2011 9:51 a.m.

    To get involved in this politically would mean having to do 'something' with that document we all learn in primary..."We believe in honoring, sustaining and obeying the laws of the land". It's just too bad the government that made the immigration law doesn't believe it as well.

  • Madden Herriman, UT
    Feb. 13, 2011 9:48 a.m.

    Double standard anyone? These groups are so tow-faced, they grab headlines yet help nobody.

    The LDS Church rarely gets deeply involved in political issues, and when it does so, it is focused on morality issues. Illegal immigration is a problem for the Church just like everyone else. We feel for the immigrants, yet cannot ignore the fact that many of them willingly violate US law (and therefore a key principle of the Church's Articles of Faith).

  • screwbal8 Magna, UT
    Feb. 13, 2011 8:55 a.m.

    It is interesting that this group of individuals are trying to get the Mormon Church to peddle their influence within the State government. Too bad there is a constitutional seperation of church and state. Shame on them. They should work at making sure the people they are representing are in this country legally and that would resolve this problem. Unfortunately that will not happen nor will trying to put the genie back in the bottle by passing laws that will adversely effect a very large number of people. There needs to be a more humanatarian effort made. It is disheartening to hear about families torn apart by forced deportation. This is not the way to handle the illegales in this country. I don't have the answer either but kicking these people out, it is too late to do that and it is an act of inhuman babarianism on our part.

  • Marc Jenks Las Vegas, NV
    Feb. 13, 2011 8:53 a.m.

    Mr Tony, who is your President? You are a citizen of one country or the other. If you are US, then you 'renounced' your citizenship to Mexico. That is something illegals don't have to do. They get to keep their allegiance to Mexico, and they prefer to. That screams volumes on how misunderstood our perception of the illegal issue is. Most don't want to become citizens.

    The Mexican President won't see any advantage gained by sitting down like you propose. Think it through.

  • Speak English - USA West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 13, 2011 8:43 a.m.

    Hey TMR, California will never recover because of what illegal immigration has done to that state.

    Go down to Arizona and see what is going on there as well.

    Utah is smart enough to want to avoid at all costs turning out like either of you.

    Illegals are NOT welcome in my state. Period.

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 13, 2011 8:22 a.m.

    Desperate times calls for desperate measures.

  • rok San Diego, CA
    Feb. 13, 2011 8:11 a.m.

    So, he wants to suspend legal, temporary visits to Mexico until the church comes out in support of illegal, permanent moves to the U.S. Is that the definition of irony or hypocrisy?

  • RR_Xing San Diego, CA
    Feb. 13, 2011 8:00 a.m.

    I recommend this request of Mexico: treat the illegals at their Southern border with the same respect they expect of the US.

    That will throw a different perspective on illegal immigration and Mexico!

  • The Utah Republican Alpine, UT
    Feb. 13, 2011 7:34 a.m.

    Mr. López-Vargas is missing the simple fact that if missionaries from the United States can't serve in Mexico, the missionaries in that country will be filled with missionaries from other countries. If all missionary visas were cut off, the positions would have to be filled with only Mexican members. Right now many members from Mexico broaden their knowledge and vision by serving abroad. It would be sad if someone with a political agenda messed that up.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    Feb. 13, 2011 7:33 a.m.

    I can't remember the last time I heard of an American going to Mexico on a mission. thirty years ago, there were many who went to Mexico. Now those missions are filled almost entirely by Mexicans. So, I think this is probably a moot point.

    The petition is tacky and childish. It will go nowhere. Even Tony Yapias gets this one.

  • HawaiianAggie St.George, Utah
    Feb. 13, 2011 6:08 a.m.

    Latinos have a right to be concerned about the vitriol that is being bandied about here in Utah against latinos. They feel a petition to the LDS church would help them tone down the hateful rhetoric. However, it is wrong to threaten a refusal of visas to mormon missionaries. I just hope a peaceful solution can be reached. Latinos have become the whipping boys of the Great Recession.

  • IJ Hyrum, Ut
    Feb. 13, 2011 5:56 a.m.

    TRM, Love for your fellow man has nothing to do with letting him trample all over you. Do you give your children everything they want simply because they want it? How much candy do you allow them to have? Do they have a bed time? Do you have family rules? Do you send the to school or do they beg to go? You are missing the point. If we fling open the borders, soon there will not be room for anyone and the economic system will collapse. With the criminal element that would come (many of whom are already here) you would not be safe even in your own home. Why is it that no one recognizes the word ILLEGAL? There is a process for foreigners to come here legally - and those we welcome. And Please, don't presume to apologize for 330 million people. That's the governments job; if it needs to be done.

  • bribri Holladay, UT
    Feb. 13, 2011 5:27 a.m.

    I am french , retired, I was just spending my money in Utah , legally , with a visa , going back to France every 6 months as required by the law , I paid my rent , my bills and one day the immigration in Salt lake city said : OUT of USA , because you spend too much time in Usa , go and look after your grand children in France ! and the LDS church did not even help me to carry one suitcase . so I left , but I still love your country and the people .I will be always happy to welcome american in my country .we have visa for retired people !!

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Feb. 13, 2011 4:38 a.m.

    How about we get the petitioners to take a stand and spread it from there into their community? I want to know where Latino's stand on legal immigration and to speak with one voice. I've lived in 4 countries and in each, our entire family was required to apply for legal status and carry an ID.

    I seriously doubt the President of Mexico is even going to give this a serious hearing. And it is a weird trade anyway - missionaries for a stand on immigration. It's like a hostage situation - no negotiation will ever be forthcoming with a threat.

  • Janell Ventura, Ca
    Feb. 13, 2011 3:10 a.m.

    I see this as an attempt by illegals and their supporters to strong arm the church into making Utah a sanctuary state for illegals. They have seen that when the church makes a stand on an issue many people in Utah follow suit, so if they threaten to hurt missionary work, they believe they can make the church (and Utah) knuckle under to their demands. I can't believe the nerve of these invaders who come to this country and decide that WE are the ones who need to change to accommodate them!
    Send them and their families back to the countries of their birth. IMMEDIATELY.

  • Johnson72 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 13, 2011 2:53 a.m.

    Just don't come knockin on my door.. Here or in Mexico!

  • hardware Erda, Ut
    Feb. 13, 2011 1:32 a.m.

    Ridiculous. I would love to see the names of these 100 who signed. There is nothing wrong with requesting people coming here legally. As I do name extractions off census records, all people born out of the United States had naturalization papers and were documented on the census. Why has that changed?

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Feb. 13, 2011 12:22 a.m.

    Wow! A hundred signatures. That ought to make them stand up and take notice. Seriously; blaming the LDS church for immigration problems because they won't take a stance. Grow up!

  • RAB Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 13, 2011 12:19 a.m.

    The LDS church has an apparently little known belief (12th article of faith) in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law. How clear do they have to be?

  • TMR Santa Monica, CA
    Feb. 13, 2011 12:00 a.m.

    Nottyou, you cite an article of faith, which is an affirmation of belief. All of the articles of faith are enveloped within and are ultimately trumped by the two greatest commandments, both of which are at play here and are the obvious predicates for the Church's support for the Compact. This does not denigrate any of the articles, but it does put them in context.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    Feb. 12, 2011 11:52 p.m.

    The Pope has the same stand as the LDS church. Come legally, and countries have the right to control borders.

    Like the Catholic church, that has local leaders that feel different, so does the LDS church.

    It would not be fair or right if the same petition was not drawn up and sent about the Catholic church.

  • nottyou Riverton, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 11:35 p.m.

    I would like it if the Church took the following FIRM stand: We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law. Yes, that's the firm stance I'd like to see the Church adopt.

  • TMR Santa Monica, CA
    Feb. 12, 2011 11:32 p.m.

    Although I believe that the petition is a dumb idea, I understand the frustration. The LDS Church has spoken, but apparently it takes a two-by-four to get the message across to some people, including commentators on this post, many of whom purport to be members of the Church. To my illegal immigrant friends: we need you and want you; and I apologize for the meanness, hatred, and bigotry of many of my fellow Americans who deserve less than many of you the good fortune of being "legal" by being born on American soil or by immigrating (or their ancestors) under a more fair system than what is now in place. How sad that privilege breeds such contempt.

  • melsuperstar Tempe, AZ
    Feb. 12, 2011 11:03 p.m.

    First of all, I believe the church only sends American elders, no sisters, to Mexico anyway; though that could possibly be for only certain missions there. Also, if 100 signatures are successful (unlikely) I think the church will actually see if as a opportunity. This will require Mexicans and other Latin people to step up to teach their own people the gospel. This will be kind of like when the church pulled all the American missionaries out of Venezuela a couple years ago due to political unrest there, it didn't seem to have any negative effect on the work. The gospel will continue to spread.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Feb. 12, 2011 11:00 p.m.

    Don't like it? Go home!

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 10:44 p.m.

    Why is it that these Illegals want a Utah Compact, but yet Mexico and Calderone has a closed border with his neighbors to the South and executes those who come into Mexico Illegally.....and Yapias and his ilk call us Racists?

  • Seattleview Federal Way, WA
    Feb. 12, 2011 10:30 p.m.

    I am just amazed at how these illegal Latinos feel like they have a "right" to be here just because this is a land of legal immigrants.

    Then they charge America with racisum and civil right violations when people want to enforce the protection of our country by enforcing the law.

    There are other immigrants that want to come here legally and have more to offer that should get preference before these groups.

  • snowman Provo, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 10:27 p.m.

    Neanderthal: That isn't going to make the Church change their position on immigration

  • Chachi Charlottesville, VA
    Feb. 12, 2011 9:29 p.m.

    Wait, the LDS Church IS supposed to exert political influence? When did liberals decide they want the LDS Church in politics?

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 9:27 p.m.

    100 SIGNATURES? That's it?

    Why is this even a news story?

  • justducky Brigham City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 9:24 p.m.

    Really?
    This just shows how brazen and ridiculous illegal aliens are in their thinking.

    Illegals think they can continue to spread the corruption they are used to in Mexico.
    This should serve as a clear message to our government to seriously start securing our borders.

    I think a petition to our own 'President' is in order.

  • wazzup Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 9:07 p.m.

    Sounds like a great swap. LEGAL missionaries vs. ILLEGAL immigrants. It just shows that the hispanic community could care less about our laws. So if they want to be lawless, go back to Mexico.

    Very bad stunt by 100 mexicans.

  • AZRods Maricopa, AZ
    Feb. 12, 2011 8:59 p.m.

    Small misguided people with no viable solutions decide to blame it on the LDS church.
    This one would be among the worst options.
    I'd love to see the reaction from the president of Mexico when he gets the petition with.....100 signatures!!!!!!!! woo hoo!

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    Feb. 12, 2011 8:58 p.m.

    As a non-resident of Utah and a member of the Church, I hope the LDS Church does not take any stance on Utah politics that don't impact their mission...

  • kiaoraguy Provo, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 8:42 p.m.

    Let's think about this for a minute- why is Utah a state? Who came here first? So basically they want to bite the hand that feeds them? Unbelievable! I had to get a visa when I went on my mission- do you want to show me yours?

  • chiefbrady Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 8:33 p.m.

    Genius. Let's forbid missionaries to spread love, aid, assistance and happiness to a place that is so desperately in need of that and so much more.

    These people obviously do not understand immigration laws so it's just as obvious they've never heard of the 'separation between church and state.'

    The Church would do better coming out in favor of the constitution, federal laws, state laws and city ordinances. After all, when you boil it all down, isn't the church merely a byproduct of freedom and what the Constitution stands for?

  • Middle of the Road Home Town USA, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 8:32 p.m.

    Why not make Mexico ( President included) to do something about the drug cartels in their own country. It is inhumane with all the random murders and the thousands of people both, Mexicans and Americans alike are killed each year.

    I say we close the borders until it is safe, which is not going to happen. The best way to stop the immigration problem is to stop letting them in in the first place!

    Make sanctions with all the trade business until they (Mexico) can make it safe for all people to live in Mexico. No wonder they are trying to get into the U. S.

  • Horsewoman Provo, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 8:28 p.m.

    Just a thought... I wonder how many Latinos immigrated to Utah because of Mormon missionaries?

  • citi1 Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 8:28 p.m.

    Seriously? Illegal immigration is a national problem not the responsibility of one church. If anything, all religious organizations should be in Mexico, helping people better their lives there so they don't have to come to the U.S. I'm not sure how this will hurt the LDS church, especially since they have already reiterated that it is the responsibility of all members to obey the laws of the land. I also don't think it is the responsibility of church members of any religion to shoulder the burdens that illegal immigration places upon them.

  • BYR Woods Cross, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 8:18 p.m.

    NO, NO, NO !!!!
    I wonder if those who signed the petition are members of the Church? They want to FORCE the Church to take a stance on a political issue? I am surprised they even got 100 signature.

  • Kathy. Provo, Ut
    Feb. 12, 2011 8:12 p.m.

    Thanks I needed a good laugh.

  • CPA Howard Rancho Santa Margarita, CA
    Feb. 12, 2011 8:11 p.m.

    The Church's response is we support and obey the laws of the land.

  • pugnacious magna, ut
    Feb. 12, 2011 8:11 p.m.

    And lets make sure they refuse any aid for Mexico even during a national emergency . That will show them missionaries...

  • bigv56 Cottonwood, CA
    Feb. 12, 2011 8:11 p.m.

    Missionaries go legally. This is what these people dont want to recognize. Nobody has problems with legal immigration. I would like to hear the group's statement on obeying our laws. They never seem to address this head on. Fix your country, get in the streets like the egyptians. Stop electing and tolerating corruption.

  • Chris B. Midvale, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 8:10 p.m.

    Trying to punish the Mormons because they aren't explicity stating they think its ok that millions of Mexicans don't care about our laws and have jumped the fence?

    Seriously, are these people three? This sounds like the logic of a 3 year old.

    I'm going to punish you because you won't say you like it when I do bad things.

    HUH?

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 7:57 p.m.

    Let's start a petition stating that we will suspend all outgoing money transactions to Mexico, until they stop illegals from crossing the border.

    The differences between illegals and missionaries:
    Missionaries get visas
    Missionaries contribute to better society
    Missionaries are not getting involved in gangs
    Missionaries learn the language of the nation they're in.
    Missionaries don't force the people to adob

  • Neanderthal SLC, Utah
    Feb. 12, 2011 7:57 p.m.

    "A small group of Latino Utah residents wants the president of Mexico to suspend the visas of Mormon missionaries until the LDS Church takes a stronger stand on the immigration issue."

    Good idea. The Church should pull all its missionaries from Mexico. The place is a viper's nest.