Why should Fredette feel frustrated because the officials looked the other way
while he was getting mugged?
Boylen's goal seemed to be to forget about winning the game. Just beat up
Jimmer, keep him from scoring, keep it a slow game, and not look too
embarrassed.Is that what the U fans want in a coach? Slow the game
down, so we don't get too embarrassed. You should be embarrassed to call your
team the "running Utes". Perhaps the "walking it up slowly, and
taking our time so we keep the game nice & boring Utes".
UtahDerekSmack from tun is the only thing they can do. It's certainly not
winning games. Maybe the utes can put an asterisk in the loss column: *Moral
Well utah made it interesting for about 3/4 of the game. BYU though seemed to be
their worst enemy in the first half, I lost track of how many easy open layups
or shots they just flat out missed. Abouo really stepped it up and played well,
he was the only one on his game in the first half. Hartsock and Davies were
scoreless at half and Fredette was just 3/9 shooting. I believe Abouo had 6 of
byu's 12 made fgs in the first half. Emery and Fredette stepped up in the
second half, Emery had 13 points and several steals after halftime and Fredette
took over the last 9 minutes of the game scoring 15 points in that span. Nice to
see the seniors step it up when they needed to the most in this one. Also good
to see another role player (Abouo) step up and have a big game in the first half
when everyone else seem to be struggling to find their shot. Always nice to get
another win and sweep your rival, great win Cougars!
It was nice of the officials to come and WATCH the game !!!!
Two programs headed in the same direction, hedgehog.The Utah
football team reached it's apex in mid-October, then headed in the same
direction as the Ute's basketball team.The three humiliating losses
and three lucky wins to end the season are just the prelude to the football
program descending to the same depths as the basketball program.
"Ute desperation. Even with a very good football team, the Utes are being
dominated by BYU again this year:What?
Be patient Utah fans. Give Boylen some time. Some of you don't like that
thought but he will be fine. You have a player out that is excellent and a
couple of others have stepped up lately. I think you have 3 pretty good players
for next year. You will probably be middle of the pack at about 6 or 7th. It
depends how your bigs, who have fairly good potential, turn out. Boylen will be
fine and you will be pleased in about 2.5 to 3 years. I have watched as many
games of Utah as your best fans have. I know what I am looking at. Be
This game was about three things.1) The mathematical side of sports.
All staistics tend toward the middle. Utah played terribly and BYU brilliantly
during the week. Both tended toward the middle. BYU's middle is better than
Utah's.2) Ute desperation. Even with a very good football team, the
Utes are being dominated by BYU again this year. A win yesterday could have
defined a season. As it happened, it just made the rest of the season perfectly
understandable.3) This was a monster trap game. The Utes tried to
spring the trap but found that their system is their trap.
wookie,I agree, jimer creates a lot of offensive fouls that never
seem to get called.As far as I can tell the kid has only on trick
... the open shot.
A foul is not called based on who draws the contact. If the defensive player is
in the air or moving sideways when the contact occurs, it is a blocking foul.
PERIOD.Who creates the contact is irrelevent.
This game, Jimmer was a lot more like Danny Ainge throwing up horrible shots and
showing the lack of intelligence that will haunt him as he transitions to the
NBA. Stats are stats, and if Jimmer is off, and can't really create
shots, he should stop trying to draw the foul (Most of the so-called no calls
could have easily been interpreted to be offensive fouls as Jimmer usually
forces the contact)BYU would have blown out Utah if Jimmer had not
played at all. He was a handicap in this game by playing poorly for most of the
game. His late burst didn't make up for the earlier poor play.
Quick observations: (1) Fredette is being mugged and of course the referee's
are not calling it - punishment for BYU leaving the league. It's OK for Utah
and TCU to leave for more money, but for BYU to do it, is unforgivable. (2)
If I were a Ute fan, I wouldn't go to those incredibly boring games either.
Thanks to Dave Rose for not playing that stupid Majerus/Reid/Boylan slowdown
game. (3) Where has Hartsock gone? (4) The loss of C. Collinsworth is going
to be felt at SDS, in the MWC tournament and in the NCAA tournament - few are
telling that story. (5) I think Jimmer has been better than advertised given
that he is so "marked" every darn game. He's a warrior.
BYU must come up with a way to take much better advantage of the way team's are
defending Jimmer and the three point line.
O'Brien was big in this game. He was very effective in guarding Jimmer in the
first half and he was very good on offense driving to the bucket. I
think UTAH made a mistake in not using him more often on offense. He would have
scored more for them and he would have created foul trouble for Davies and
The game plan was sound. 1. Keep Jimmer down as much as possible. - done
pretty well until the last few minutes; beat up Jimmer phsyiscally as much as
the refs will allow, which was a lot (actually it was offensive and should be
talked about at league HQ).2. Guard the three point line and limit three
point shots. BYU averages 11 made threes at home. This was very well done. BYU
usually shoots 20 or more three point shots. This game they shot only 12 times
making only 4. Emery only made two attempts. Good job.3. Force the
dribble drive into the lane where the seven-footers will intimidate them. This
was very well done. Davies tried early with no success and then dished the ball
out each time, in spite of great passes to him that left him in good position to
score - except for the big men in his way.
If I was a Utah fan I would be mad about this game. Down by 10 points with 2
minutes left Watkins brings the ball up and then dribbles at the top of the key
for 20 seconds. As far as the game. Utah did a good job of not
doubling Jimmer. They kept a bigger player on him the entire time. The reason BYU won was Utah turnovers.
I cheered for the Utes against Kentucky in the Championship ... and I would
believe many Cougar fans were right there with me. I think most Ute fans
recognize the potential of this Cougar team and will be cheering for them to do
grand things in the tourney.Go Cougars!!
Lost at home to SDSU by 9 and to BYU by 25.Lost on the road to SDSU by 32
and to BYU by 13.The Utes have some talent and this was probably his
best effort ever a formulating a game plan.But, bottom line, even
with double- and triple-teaming Jimmer, with two or three lines of defense
behind the initial defenders,you held Jimmer to 4 points under his
national best per game scoring average and still lost the game.If
that's progress, I guess you'd call it baby steps.Still, BYU
assist/turnover ratio - 17/10; Utah - 7/17Jimmer, despite the
massive effort to shut him down, still had almost as many assists(5) as the
entire Utah team(7). And, he was still the leading scorer.As stated
previously, Utah has some talent, but I don't see it being utilized very
I love how Boylen measures his success on how many points his team allowed
Jimmer to get..."I think we made him work for his
stuff..I..uh..ya know..I....if you compare game 1 to game 2, I'm not a
mathematician, but it sure looks better doesn't it?" -Jim Boylenhaha...its all about "progress" isn't it Jim? You and your boys are
well on your way to making some noise in the Conference Tourney. You held Jimmer
to 23! Good thing that whole "losing the game" non-sense doesn't
matter. And losing 12 of your last 15 doesn't matter either. Out of
those 12 losses, I would bet at least 8-9 are moral victories for the utes. Keep
it up, Coach. You're doin' fine.
The question is: Will Utah's administration let Hill fire Boylen if they have
to honor the rest of his contract? It could go one way or the other. With the
current U. President heading off to the Huskies I doubt if Washington would
want to see Boylen go... so it could politically be doubtful that there will be
a move in that direction while the current Pres. is still at the U's helm. 5
Years of restrictions on earnings in the PAC could also be a hurdling block in
these economic times. It's going to be interesting to watch and see.Scoobie
After yesterday's game, the "Runnin' Utes" should change their name to
the Crawling Snails. It was an effective ploy but boring to watch.
What the heck is 50's style B-ball? If John Wooden could be cloned
& came back as a coach [yeah I know that he did not coach UCLA in the 50's];
he would say - to win the game your team must put the ball through the hoop
more times than the other team. It doesnt matter what day or time period
you play/played in just get 1 more point than the other team and you win.I will say that there were times that Jimmer got fouled and they were
Utes had a good showing and BYU should be happy that some other players can step
it up. Funny how all these ute haters posing as cougar fans who were
going off earlier about a blow out win. Again and again the same haters proove
how incorrect, unknowledgeable and pathetic they are. Good luck to
the cougs and hope you all get a #1 or 2 seed in the NCAA tourney. You could
make it to the elite 8 this year with the second best player in college
basketball on your team.
Boylen might have just saved his job yesterday...thank goodness!
If WJCoug you meant that rarely do ALL 8 of the top seeds make it to the elite
8, that would be correct, but my stats would show that the majority do---leaving
the overrated teams out. Personally I think it would be great to seem them get
there. No reason for you to start hedging your bets---unless you think they
1) worf, Chris_B is NOT Chris B. He's a BYU troll.2) WJCoug, I
didn't say BYU's season would be a failure if they lost before the Elite 8. What
I said is that haters would say that they were overrated should they not prove
to be as good as their current #7 ranking.AND---you have proven that
once again that Coug fans will often use OPINION on these boards to pass as
FACTS. (Happens on the Ute and Aggie side too, don't worry). But
here is what you said: "Rarely do the best 8 teams in the country make it
to the elite 8 - if ever."2010: 4 of the eight teams were 1 or
2 seeds, one was a three seed.2009: 6 teams were 1 or 2 seeds, and the
other 2 teams were 3 seeds.2008: 5 teams were 1 or 2 seeds, and another 2
were 3 seeds.2007: 7 teams were 1 or 2 seeds an the last was a 3 seed.In other words, the best teams (1-3 seeds) make it to the elite eight,
with a few of the overrated teams bowing out earlier.
It is pretty funny when a ref tells the coach that he'd better take his guy out
because they aren't going to call fouls so he may get more frustrated.
re: Chris B:I can't believe that's you...I hope you were sincere. To
the rest of utedom...It's OK to congratulate BYU. You've spouted off all year.
You said first you could guard Jimmer one on one, he was slow. He torched you
for 47 points. Then you said he was all BYU had so you threw three lines of
Henderson rock-n-sock'em defense on him...and you discovered that BYU ACTUALLY
has other players that can torch you. You even had the refs letting you get
away with some of the ugliest, thug defense I've seen all year...all you still
couldn't win, oh, and Fredette lead all scorers. C'mon, when are you
going to stop your childish whining and just say Go Cougs.
It seems as if the MWC officials are bending over backwards to show that they
are not giving Jimmer "superstar" treatment, but what is happening is
that they are going overboard the other way. Defenders can push, slap, bump and
hack Jimmer and get away with it when a foul would be called if another player
was involved. Jimmer doesn't want special treatment, but I think he would love
it if he was treated the same as any other player. If Jimmer was in the Pac 10
he would be shooting twice as many free throws because the Pac 10 officials
don't feel like they need to penalize a player for being good. Personally, I am
impressed with the way Jimmer is able to just keep playing in spite of all the
JJ O'Brien did a good job on Jimmer, with lots of help from Foster in the lane.
When Clyburn or Glover guarded Jimmer they were not nearly as effective. Also
interesting that when Jiggy went out with his 4th foul that Jimmer was able to
settle in a bit as he didn't have to work as hard on the defensive end. In the end, BYU is just better. Very well coached. Emery doesn't get
near enough credit. He won that game yesterday no question. Watch
for an announcement on Boylen coming up here soon. He has worn out his welcome.
Taking a "moral victory" in a 13 point loss to you BYU just shows that
he doesn't understand Utah basketball's legacy nor does he understand the fan
base. I will say that yesterday was his best game planning that I have seen
since he has been here. But that doesn't mean anything if you lose. It was a 13
point loss -- it is not like Abouo hit a three at the buzzer for the win. It was
a 13 point loss. Dr. Hill - time to move on. Donny Daniels awaits.
Anybody out there sitting close enough to the floor to catch what the official
had to say. This seems very unusual. I know there were two absolute take downs
late in the game. Maybe the Utes were getting a little too physical. Rather
than talk to the Utes or call the fouls the solution was to get Jimmer out of
the game. This is pathetic. The bottom line is you never know what a team is
capable of when they have been beaten like a drum 9 out of 10 times.
AK CougarDo the math. When it was apparent that Abouo and Emery were
about to take it to the street...Boylen realized he had to at least take two of
his defenders off of Fredette. The names don't really matter. It's all in the
Unusual to have a Referee recommending to a coach to pull a player of Fredette's
caliber out of a game... especially after he had just made almost two thirds of
his total 23 points in less than 5 minutes. Call it what you want...but Reed
couldn't have made that suggestion to Rose at a better time. The game for all
intense and purposes, was all but over. Utah had been successful in shutting
Fredette down in the first half only to realize they had to ease back off
Fredette in order to contain Abouo and Jackson Emery. Fredette is that good.
You have to Double and Triple to even slow him down...but then risk the other
cougars picking up the slack.Reed's suggestion was timely. Fredette is
already the winningest player in BYU and MWC history. He's about to also become
BYU's all time points leader as well. Now he'll have that opportunity to do
that against San Diego State on the road. And let's face it. Jimmer does have
a better overall game when he's on the road. But some of his best moments are
This was one of BYU's worst games because of the Utes, not on spite of them.
Boylen has his team prepared and did a great job for most of the game. What I
like about this BYU team is that they fought the entire game, through bad shots
and tough defenses, and others stepped up to fill the void Jimmer left in the
first half (Abouo is a stud). Jimmer did his job late in the 2nd and that was
the difference. Even in tough games this year BYU seems to be pulling
away in the end to make it look like it wasn't close. BYU can score very
quickly - something that I believe some tournament teams won't be ready for.
Utes have good players, they just need a coach to match.
Great effort by both teams! It was an enjoyable game.
The UTES can count it as a moral victory, but it is really just another nail in
Nice quote by Rose that the U. plays 50's style b-ball...
Who are these people supporting Boylen? Have they been watching the same team
lose all season? Remember, this is the team that lost to San Diego [not San
Diego State - but them too], lost to Portland, lost to Air Force at HOME, lost
to their bitter rival by about a hundred at HOME, and now the team that lost to
their rival again. There is a common thread there - LOSER. Boylen has to go -
Utah will get killed next year in the PAC-12 without a change. Let me help Jim
with some excuses - let's see - we're young, we have an injury, we were on the
road, the ball didn't go in the hoop, we can't shoot simple free throws, we have
more turnovers than anyone in the nation, we have seven footers that can't
rebound, I had a hang nail, and on and on. The wrong coaches in Utah are
resigning - Jerry resigns and Jim stays. Sad. Where's Coach Bugs Bunny when
you need him?
I wonder why Jimmer was frustrated toward the end of the game. Could it be that
he was fouled hard three times in a row, and the referee pretended not to look?
At least the ref had a solution. And it was brilliant.Ask the coach to bench Jimmer. I wondered what Rose was telling
Jimmer after the game. I think it was something along the lines of, "Don't
say anything about the officials. Not even, 'The Utes played me very, very,
very, very, very, very, very, very physical toward the end of the game.' Just
go shower and head home and say nothing. I'll handle the post-game interviews.
You go take a week off, and we'll see if you can light the world on fire after
Who was gaurding Fredette when he went on a 12 - 0 run by himself? I have yet
to read an article that says who was assigned to gaurd him? Maybe he wasn't.
Chris B,You under estimate your own team. Playing in a tough
conference with so many new players,--Boylen's done a very good job. I would be
very happy with tonights game. In the Marriot Center, not to many teams have
done any better. I would think the future is very bright.
I am so bummed that after all the double/triple teaming (and fouling) we did on
Jimmer that we still lost to the kewgs. Guess Coach Boylen's strategy backfired
because tds is more than Jimmer. Abouo and Emery made us look bad. And Jimmer
was there when needed the most in the 2nd half and put the game out of reach.
He's amazing. I hope he gets POY and tds gets to the Final Four!
Can't believe so many ute fans turning against their own team. Fire the coach!
The utes played well and Boylen did a good job coaching with so many new
players. With a tough league, they've done well.
MiP, an upset lose in the Big Dance does not make the season a failure nor does
it mean the team was overrated. Rarely do the best 8 teams in the country make
it to the elite 8 - if ever.This BYU team has been one of the best
AND most entertaining teams to ever come out of the state of Utah - and I will
enjoy them till the very end. Once this year is over, given the track record of
Coach Rose, I will then look forward to yet another very successful campaign
next year.Go Cougs!
ClarkHippo-The same could have been said about BYU fans during football season.
Many echoing how overated the Utes were when they rose to #5---hoping and
praying they would fall to TCU, ND, and Boise State. My guess is you were one of
them.If BYU doesn't make it to the Elite 8, then yes, they will have
been overrated. I'm not saying that they are---just stating that when you are
doing well---haters from the other side would like to see their rival fall---and
it goes both ways.For me, I hope the Cougars represent in the
tourney---but if they don't then it still would have been a remarkable season
for Fredette.Thought the Utes played tough, but I don't think it was
their best. Nor do I think it was BYU's worst. BYU is 13 points better than the
Rose must have been feeling sorry for the Yews tonite....Jimmer got a lot of
I'm sorry for all the sleepless nights the Ute fans have experienced since
basketball season started. Since their own team hasn't done squat
this season, the only thing left for them to do is scream, "BYU IS
OVERRATED!" All the while hoping and praying the Cougs get dropped early in
the MWC and NCAA Tournament.
Hey utah, Thanks to BYU, Yew are about to be on ESPN again,BYU has
doubled your appearances on National TV (of course it's been all about
Jimmer)Go JimmerGo BYUsigned a jealous boYlen.
Cupcakes anyone? It looks like the PAC-10.2 is getting a fresh batch next
season!Way to go Cougars! Good to see that this team has options and
that other players can be the key to winning.
Utah's best game and BYU's worst, yet we still win by 13 points. Yeah, some
players didn't have an awesome night but other team members stepped up and gave
us the win. It was a tough game but well deserved win. GO COUGS!!!!
Derek, my man. The record speaks for itself; the RPI speaks for itself; the
Utes record speaks for itself (the Utes will be back - only question is when)BYU has a good team. They may get a loss between now and tournament
time. The world won't stop. They may even lose the tournament at some point,
maybe early, maybe late. At the same time, someone has to win it, so let's
pull for a team from utah, eh...But even you can acknowledge that
BYU haa had a good year, have a great player, have several good players, and
have created some pretty exciting bball. Last of all, lighten up a
little! Enjoy life, You are a little on the critical side today. Take a happy
UtahDerekBYU beat you by 30 points or more in Salt Lake, yet SDSU
only beat you by a dozen or so. And BYU beat UNLV by a ton in Vegas, yet SDSU
barely squeaked by today.And your point is???
BYU smack talk never gets old. Just remember that the "number 7 team in the
country" was tied to us coming off a loss to san diego st by 30 at your
place with 6 minutes left. If anything you should be talking about your own team
and just how over rated you really are.
Glad to see my Cougs beat Utah once again and for more contribution by a few
more players. I like Rose and this team is perhaps the best ever. Fredette is a
unique player and deserves POY. But I have serious reservations about the level
of play they will bring to the MWC tournament and especially the NCAA's, where
everyone steps up to win. I don't see that dominating fire yet in Fredette or
his teammates. Only one BYU team has made it to the elite 8 - EVER.
Abouo is stepping up and he will be needed in the tournaments. Some teams will
be able to stop Jimmer and having another option besides Davies and Emery is
Okay, sorry. That was supposed to say "you got Abouo'ed" just doesn't
Tough, tough game. Utah came to make a contest of it and it was probably their
best game of the year. It was one of BYU's worst games of the year however with
Davies, Hartsock and Fredette missing some of the simplest layup, put backs and
uncontested jumpers. Abouo was fantastic and Jackson Emery was all over Utah
with steals and breakaways. I don't think you can say Utah got Jimmered (23
points) and you go Abouo'ed just doesn't cut it. Maybe Utah can just ask