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Arizonans highlight economic cost of tough immigration law

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  • JanSan Pocatello, ID
    Feb. 14, 2011 3:56 p.m.

    Janet @12:57
    Talk about calling the kettle black!
    Your WHOLE comment was judgement upon judegment on anyone who disagreed with what YOU thought was right!
    COMPASSION and LOVE For all people.. is what Christ taught... not just those who make you feel sorry for them but ALSO for those who do not agree with you!
    I am ACTIVE card carrying LDS returned missionary have Gospel Doctrine teacher for many years and I disagree with you! Does that give me the right to pass judgement and call the wrath of God down on you? NO!!! It does not.
    Where is YOUR compassion for all the people in this country that have been hurt by the influx of illeagel aliens? Maybe you need to look in the mirrow a little bit more. God Bless ya sis.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    Feb. 14, 2011 3:02 p.m.

    Arizona's commercial and tourism industries are only taking a hit because their friends and neighbors aren't taking a stand as well. If every state in the country started enforcing our laws, then we wouldn't even be having this discussion, because illegals would have nowhere to go but home.

  • Hawkeye79 Iowa City, IA
    Feb. 12, 2011 9:53 a.m.

    Janet,

    Do you feel that the desire to enforce the prescribed consequences of all laws is un-Christlike, or only the enforcement of the consequences of laws that you disagree with? It is easy to spot a closed-minded individual when they claim that those who think like them on an issue have cornered the market of compassion, truth, kindness, or any other virtue.

    By the way, you should realize that the Census Bureau has openly admitted that its numbers are especially inaccurate with respect to illegal immigrants because of the low population response rate. It is not an accurate source of information, as you suggest.

  • Janet Ontario, OR
    Feb. 12, 2011 12:57 a.m.

    The Center for Immigration Studies is an organization with a very strong anti-immigrant agenda. If you want accurate numbers, look at government statistics (U.S. Census Bureau, for example). Most people don't really want accurate numbers, varied sources of information, or a fair discussion of immigration reform. Many who comment here claim to be Christian, but have no compassion even for a baby born in the U.S. to undocumented parents, let alone the parents themselves, even if they're supposed to be brothers and sisters in Christ. I believe such people will be judged as they have judged and will have much for which to repent. "Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these...ye have done it also unto me." No one ever thinks, "Oh, He is talking to me!" How ironic that Latter-day Saints would lead out with such venom against a people that is joining the Church in such large numbers and filling one Spanish-speaking branch after another in AZ and UT. It is a terrible shame.

  • Teafortwo salt lake city, utah
    Feb. 11, 2011 2:45 p.m.

    Tom@9:22 am- The reality is that they came of their own free will and for their own benefit and they broke the law to do it. They are criminals. Period. They want a better life? So what? Don't most of us? The difference is that most of us understand they do not have a right to acquire by illegal means those things that they find difficult to acquire by legal means. Why do you think that illegal immigration is vigorously fought and prosecuted in every country on earth? Except ours......

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 12:24 p.m.

    The interesting thing is that AZ has said the illegal immigrants cost the tax payers there between $800 million and $1.3 billion annually.

    So, if they lose $490 million of business revenue, but save at least $800 billion of tax payer money, isn't the state coming out ahead?

    Also, if they want to get the lettuce picked, they can always hire out the inmates to do that for $1/hr.

  • Teafortwo salt lake city, utah
    Feb. 11, 2011 11:36 a.m.

    Reasonable Person @ 4:54
    There is already a legal path to immigration. Consequently, there is no reason to reward illegal immigration. Also, the idea that illegal immigration means lower consumer costs is absurd. You fail to take into account things like increased crime, traffic, pollution, resource consumption, tax evasion, social costs, higher unemployment, cultural dilution, etc. etc. etc. Illegal immigrants are in NO WAY an asset. They are a massive, massive liability.....

  • Teafortwo salt lake city, utah
    Feb. 11, 2011 11:19 a.m.

    Since opinion polls have consistently shown that Americans support the Arizona law by an overwhelming majority (70-75%), it is hard to imagine it is hurting the state. This sounds like more scare tactics from people without a good argument.

  • Hawkeye79 Iowa City, IA
    Feb. 11, 2011 9:47 a.m.

    Tom,

    And I can't help but wonder how much hunger and suffering abroad has emerged because the U.S. is draining poorer countries of their "good hard working people" and only sending back the criminals. How are struggling countries expected to improve without "good hard working people?"

    There will always be people who believe that by taking a few good people out of poverty, they are doing the best thing to alleviate poverty. I ask, why turn a blind eye to the hundreds of millions of people who remain in deteriorating conditions and cannot afford to pay human smugglers? Every nation needs people who desire better circumstances in order for improvement to occur.

    Are low prices really enough to justify both the worsening conditions abroad and the exploitation of a vulnerable population?

  • Hawkeye79 Iowa City, IA
    Feb. 11, 2011 9:23 a.m.

    cjb,

    The Center for Immigration Studies found that illegal immigrants impose a net federal deficit of over $10 billion annually (around $7000 per household). When the federal government pays a group more than it contributes, the national debt doesn't shrink - it grows.

    Perhaps you could explain how the government is better able to pay its debt because of a group that receives more from the government than it contributes?

  • Tom Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 9:22 a.m.

    The reality is that these people have come here because of political, economic and social forces that are much bigger than they are. They came here because the U.S. economy requires their labor and they are willing to fill that need and at the same time provide for their families and futures. Immigration law is as complicated as tax law. Both are broken and need to be fixed. These are good people. I know many of them personally. I wonder how many of those who are so willing to lay such a heavy burden on good hard working people instead of fix the problem have ever sat down and tried to get to know an undocumented person. How many of you have ever had a meal with their family. For those who recognize these people as human being, sign the Utah Compact.

  • Dektol Powell, OH
    Feb. 11, 2011 9:20 a.m.

    You enforce the law or you change it. If you have a group of law enforcement who refused to enforce it you have the Prosecuting Attorney file conspiracy charges against them and get rid of them.

    If you can't or won't enforce the law, what have it? Knowing Arizona is going after these criminals I will make sure to vacation in the State and help support their efforts by spending our money there.

  • Mc West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 8:45 a.m.

    "Some people abhor the notion that somebody who doesn't look like them, who doesn't have their background, could have some political power," he said.

    In this statement he called everyone that supports enforcement of the law a racist. That offends me. I am not racist in the least. I have several adopted granchildren of various races. They don't look like me and they don't have my background, but I love them as much as the ones who do. I hope they and other legal citizens of their races will have lots of political power.

    All I ask is that they come here legally. Make it easier for those waiting in line to come, but don't make it easier for those who have ignored the law to stay.

  • Squeaky Austin, TX
    Feb. 11, 2011 8:12 a.m.

    The way your greatgrandparents came has nothing to do with the way they come now that the country CONSIDERED THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA W/ITs BORDERS & CONSTITUTION. What happened prior to a law has nothing to do with what it was like now a law has been made to protect our borders.
    The illegals & their friends seem to think it the laws have no bearings well they are wrong.The illegals are costing AZ over 1 billion a year in goods & services & paying little if any thing in returns to mention as to what is was costing UT maybe the citizens should look into that.
    While serving in the armed services in Europe and the Far East I was checked daily sometimes 4 ands 5 times for ID and pass. I did not like it but I had to abide as I was in a foreign country what makes the illegals any different here. I was sent there w/orders they come here in the dead of night w/out permission does that make them better.
    Frank Bowers, FIC Austin, TX

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 7:32 a.m.

    I guess this guy is following the playbook by making the race/bigot arguement. How typical.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    Feb. 11, 2011 6:59 a.m.

    The figures come from the Center for American Progress an open borders progressive leftist think tank. They figured all the artists that were boycotting, and figured the loss of a concert, whether it was scheduled or not. Most had no concerts scheduled. They also figured cancellations, but never added the new bookings that came in to replace them.

    In 2007 Arizona had over 120,000 businesses with employees. 350 companies sounds impressive, until you figure out they are but a small percentage.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 6:56 a.m.

    Yes the undocumented do take government services. Education and also hospital services. So what is the point? So do those of us who are citizens. Lets legalize these people so they will be above board and not in the shadows.

    These people work and contribute to the economy. We need these peoples labor. Our economy would contract without them being here working. We have a national debt to pay. If we were to have fewer people who are working our debt doesn't get any smaller and we still have to pay it, but with fewer people.

    The undocumented who come here are young. They will be working a long time. Getting them out of the shadows would do wonders for our social security. The problem with social security is given the aging baby boomers, there won't be enough workers to pay into social secuity. All the more reason to document these people and get them paying into the system.

    We all complain about illegal, okay so lets pass laws that make them legal.

    When was the last time any of us complained about amnesty when a cop gave us a warning ticket for breaking the law while driving?

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 6:36 a.m.

    Most of the people caught under the Arizona immigration law have to be put in Arizona jail (costs a lot of money) or released (is a waste of law enforcement resources). This because the federal government says they only focus on deporting those people who are criminals and it is only the feds who can deport people, not states.

    Given the budget in Utah, we would not jail those people caught that the feds don't deport but we would release them. This is a sledge hammer to swat a fly.

    This law isn't needed to catch the criminal element. The police can already go after them. To detain the others is as has been stated many times a waste of law enforcement resources. A distraction from police going after actual criminals, even ones who are undocumented.

    Also this bill would be unfair to minorities, because face it, they would be the only people stopped and under this new law. Would a police ask for documentation from a white family with a lot of people in a mini van? They would if the family is hispanic, because this is one of the factors that can be used.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    Feb. 11, 2011 3:49 a.m.

    Business wants to drive down the price of labor, make more money.

    The price of lettuce (box) $16-$18 on the commodities market. Winter lettuce is always less.

    Why give these special interest groups print space?

  • justamacguy Manti, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 2:23 a.m.

    So he mentions these cost... but he does not mention the cost of illegals in entitlement programs, welfare, health care, drug trafficking, etc., etc,. and on and on...

  • RRB SLC, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 1:12 a.m.

    Colorado Employers for Immigration Reform
    Texas Employers for Immigration Reform
    Florida Employers for Immigration and Visa Reform
    Arizona Employers for Immigration Reform

    These are groups of business that want cheap illegal labor subsidized by the American people. Their agenda is public bailouts for their lack of business management skills.

  • jane Hereford, AZ
    Feb. 11, 2011 12:41 a.m.

    Arizona is going broke paying for the health care, education, subsidized housing, etc. for illegal aliens and their children. Not to mention the increased crime, immigrant smuggling (not always of Latinos, either), and drug running. Just in the last week or two, Catapults were discovered in both border towns in our county, sending even more drugs over the border.

    My husband's grandmother came out of Mexico during the Revolution and it was extremely difficult for her to get citizenship--but she did it--legally.

    Amnesty for illegal aliens is unfair to all people trying to come here legally and breeds disrespect for all our other laws. Peple who disobey one law frequently exhibit disregard for other laws, and if you don't believe that, you haven't lived along the border.

    I say--liberalize our immigration laws to enable law-abiding people who want to become citizens to immigrate legally. And SHUT THE DOOR to those who disegard our laws.

  • technos Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 10, 2011 7:04 p.m.

    "Some people abhor the notion that somebody who doesn't look like them, who doesn't have their background, could have some political power," he said."

    No. I abhor the notion people who are not citizens have political power.

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    Feb. 10, 2011 6:01 p.m.

    "Some people abhor the notion that somebody who doesn't look like them, who doesn't have their background, could have some political power," he said."

    What an absolutely self-righteous and ridiculous statement. I understand if you have concerns that the immigration issue be handled the right way, but to call everybody who disagrees with you dumb and racist is blatantly rude and uncivil.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 10, 2011 5:30 p.m.

    Googled AEZIR....so this guy represents a sympathetic group of illegals for amnesty (rolls eyes)

    Googled Somos America and Respect Respeto.....Illegal aliens for amnesty! (unbelieveable)

    Could you at the least create an objective forum of experts representing Arizona rather than those of one political and financial persuasion? I mean, these two are making money off the backs of Illegals....where is that in your article?

    Dnews reporting is starting to resemble the Salt Lake Weekly......

  • Hawkeye79 Iowa City, IA
    Feb. 10, 2011 5:21 p.m.

    Reasonable Person,

    Are you suggesting that you support the exploitation of a vulnerable class of people as long as it allows you to purchase cheaper food and spend less at hotels?

    Also, do you realize that if they are allowed to stay legally (getting ID cards, etc.), then minimum wage laws will apply and costs will increase anyway?

  • Adver Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 10, 2011 5:20 p.m.

    Law enforcement costs big? Tally up the cost of murder, rape, drugs, welfare, education of illegal's children etc. etc. and there is no comparison.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 10, 2011 5:00 p.m.

    If I have to get pulled over everyday for the next ten years to eliminate Illegals? SO BE IT!

    This is a great DAY! Pack your bags and come back legal and with a renewed respect for the laws of the USA!

  • Reasonable Person Layton, UT
    Feb. 10, 2011 4:54 p.m.

    How many of our own ancestors came here "legally"?

    Utah was Mexican territory when the Mormons came in 1847 (the Hildalgo treaty wasn't signed until the next year).

    My grandmother came here with all of her possessions in a trunk. All she had to do was pass a "cough test" at Ellis Island, to check for TB.

    There were no quotas.

    Now, we have all these anti-immigration laws, and then we cry about enforcement.

    For people who want small government, Utah legislatures and conservatives sure look like a tighter-government crowd.

    You call BS? Watch the price of food rise! Watch your hotel rates climb, when illegal workers can no longer clean your rooms. What about your restaurant food costs?

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    Feb. 10, 2011 4:45 p.m.

    I am sure after telling the legislature they'd be idiots if they went forward and cost the state millions of dollars that they still will push the legislation and pass it into law. They act on passion not logic.

  • bootlegger61 Teton, ID
    Feb. 10, 2011 4:26 p.m.

    The only thing wrong with our immigration law is that no one abides by it !

  • Emophiliac Vernal, UT
    Feb. 10, 2011 3:58 p.m.

    Illegals shouldn't have any political power to flex. They're not even supposed to be in the country, let alone have any influence on anything.

  • ST Layton, UT
    Feb. 10, 2011 3:57 p.m.

    I call B.S. !!!
    The whole world economy is bad right now. How can people pin point losses to their laws? They can't.
    AZ had a huge housing bubble just like NV- are NV losses as a result of their laws that favor illegal immigration?
    Give me a break. This "article" is nothing more than a bunch of liberal BS ... this is what liberals would like to have had happen. But it didn't so they are just pretending it did.
    It's all policital hog wash.