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Published: Tuesday, Feb. 8 2011 10:40 a.m. MST

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Big_Ben
Centerville, UT

I can see this going either way....

On the one hand, Jimmer has the ball in his hands and makes the plays. He is a much better scorer, shooter, and facilitator than Bogut (obviously).

On the other hand, Bogut wasn't strictly a post up center; he did his fair share of ball handling, outside shooting and what not.

This is like choosing between your two favorite restuaruants. Choosing one doesn't mean the other one is inferior, its just a matter of preference.

Ill take Bogut because
1) Im a Ute fan
2) He was a force at both ends of the floor.

Thriller
Saint George, UT

Frank's rankings:
1. Andrew Bogut
2. Jimmer Fredette
3. Danny Granger
4. Brandon Heath
5. Marcus Banks

Heath never made it in the NBA and is now playing somewhere overseas. Last I knew, Banks was playing for the Hornets but he is all but unknown in the NBA landscape. Bogut and Granger on the other hand are stars in the NBA. Where will Jimmer wind up?

CG
Orem, UT

Simply one writer's opinion and a pre-mature opinion at that.

At the very least, we should wait until Jimmer finishes his college career before deciding where he ranks as MWC's best ever.

Still, that's saying a lot about how good Jimmer is to already be ranked 2nd all-time before he's even finished his senior year.

ute alumni
Tengoku, UT

You have to be kidding. Bogut? I think not. Billy M. maybe!

Veritas Aequitas
Fruit Heights, UT

It's pointless to compare players or teams and declare one better than the other.

Way too many intangibles.

I'd rather enjoy watching the players play.

That being said, my favorite players to watch play at both school are:
Fredette and Ainge, Chambers with Vranes and Doleac with Miller.

williary
Kearns, UT

Jimmer is the most dynamic scorer I've ever seen, not even debatable to this Utah fan.

As far as a single player, either Bogut or Van Horn. Both could score in multiple ways, were very good rebounder and defenders, and got their teammates involved in the flow of the game. When Jimmer gets it going, it's a lot of 4 other guys standing around. Plus, he is not a defender, he typically hides out on a lesser offensive player. Decent passer, getting better, but not great. I think in my lifetime, Bogut and Van Horn were better all-around players than Jimmer.

And when I think of a guy who could control/dominate a game from start to finish, it was Miller. Remember his triple-double in the NCAA tourney? I remember seeing them play a top 15 New Mexico at the Huntsman that year, and I've never seen a player control a game like Miller did that day. Everything was played at his tempo, his speed. He could have scored as many as he wanted, but instead he just played that game like a board of chess.

hedgehog
Ann Arbor, MI

jimer Brudent won't even be a first round NBA pick let alone the FIRST PICK.

Dreufent is a good scorere who cannot play defense -I'd view fuitent as a novilty if you will.

NKAWTG
Kaysville, UT

As far as Van Horn and Miller and Billy M., we are talking about MWC. Those guys were in the WAC. Whether or not Jimmer is the best, I don't know, but he is definitely the most entertaining to watch.

In My Humble Opinion
South Jordan, UT

ute alumni | 11:20 a.m. Feb. 8, 2011
Tengoku, UT
You have to be kidding. Bogut? I think not. Billy M. maybe!
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Mountain West Conference, not all-time Utes. Ainge, Roberts, Chambers, Vranes, Miller, etc., were WAC, Billy the Hill McGill was Skyline Conference.

Anonymous Infinity
American Fork, UT

Jimmer Fredette is having a remarkable year, but let us not go crazy about who is alltime anything. There are just too many unanswered questions at this early date. This year's MWC is in my opinion not a major conference when one evaluates the national scene, by any set of criteria. Let's just calm down and see what happens. Jimmer is not in the top twenty five of alltime players in any conference BYU or Utah have competed in with the possible exception of the MWC.

A BYU and Utah fan.

Who am I sir?
Cottonwood Heights, UT

A couple quotes from ESPN college football bloggers Andrea Adelson and Ted Miller in their debate on how Utah will fare in the Pac-12 this fall:

"The good news is Utah will provide an answer to the 'grind it out' theory. I'm sure Boise State(and I would think all non-AQers) will be rooting for the Utes to prove the AQ (automatic qualifers) snobs wrong."

And, "If Utah goes 9-3, as you predict, there will be a lot of cheering and a lot of 'I told you so' from non-AQ conferences."

Whether they want it or not, Utah's ability to compete next year in the PAC-12 will be evidence, one way or another, of the validity of the AQ's lofty opinion of their superiority! (TCU will have the same opportunity the next year; however, the Big East is recognized as being "down" while the PAC-12 was regarded as the second strongest football conference last year)

A successful season for Utah next year would be a huge blow to the arguments of the AQ proponents!!!

GO UTES!!!

Independent
Henderson, NV

"This year's MWC is in my opinion not a major conference when one evaluates the national scene, by any set of criteria."

Are you serious? Two teams in the top 10, and you don't think the MWC is a major conference this year?

BlueCoug
Orem, UT

According to an article in the Colorado Spring Gazette,

"The 2007 ESPN Scouting Report handed Fredette a 79 rating, barely above Division II level, and BYU and Siena were his only Division I offers."

On ESPN Radio they were saying that Aaron Rogers was not offered a single scholarship from a Division I football program.

Fans like to beat their chests about great recruiting classes, but stars don't make a player great, great play makes a player a star.

Utes21
Salt Lake City, ut

They are two different positions, two different players. Both are talented in different ways so you really cant say who is best. Bogut was fun to watch but Jimmer has been electric this year. Anyways its been great exposure for the state and universities with both of these young men. I wish the Jazz would trade to get Bogut that would be awesome.

Pavalova
Surfers Paradise, AU

I'm no expert here but how can one really compare the impact of two great players, Bogut and Jimmer, if Bogut only played 2 seasons?

Not sure we have enough data on Bogut to be able to make him an All-time MWC player of the year. Both are great players and have their strenghts and weaknesses.

Duckhunter
American Fork, UT

@who am i sir

The problem with that is that utah is losing alot this year. I think that it is faulty logic that utah has to perform well next year to justify non AQ's especially teams from previous years.

I think utah is going to struggle next year but in my opinion that doesn't take away from what they have previously accomplished. They still have their 2 undefeated seasons and those players are all gone now so how can next years team even reflect on those two teams? It can't.

In college there is simply too much turnover from year to year to try and make those claims. Now I can understand it in terms of justifying an overall program. Meaning if a program is really of high quality they will reload and prefomr well in subsequent years. But every single program has rebuilding years and if utah goes 6-6, or even worse, next year, it means nothing as to the overall quality of their program in my opinion.

Now if they string together several mediocre years then that will say something about them but one down year shouldn't.

GACougar
Atlanta, GA

Bogut would make a horrible point guard and Jimmer would make a horrible center. How can you possibly compare them? Comparing them was a dumb idea from the start.

UU32
Bountiful, UT

Jimmer is pretty terrific, and seeing that he stuck around for four years, I give him the nod. Bogut bolted after his sophomore year - which he should have done as future Number 1 pick. I don't think Bogut's sophomore year - even as the national player of the year - compares with the show Jimmer is putting on this year. I started the year sketical as a Ute fan on how good Jimmer is. But after watching him many times this year on the tube and in person dismantel the Utes single handedly - I am a believer. Great player - best the MWC has seen (whole career inclusive).

Who am I sir?
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@duckhunter

Thank you for a reasonable and well thought out response. I agree with you. However, I suspect, as the referenced blog indicates, Utah's 2011 season will be regarded as evidence, by either side, of the AQ validity!!! Little or no analysis will go beyond the win/loss record to answer the question "Can a successful non-AQ program succeed while playing a weekly schedule of AQ teams?"

hedgehog
Ann Arbor, MI

"On ESPN Radio they were saying that Aaron Rogers was not offered a single scholarship from a Division I football program.

Fans like to beat their chests about great recruiting classes, but stars don't make a player great, great play makes a player a star."

Blewkewg,

hmmm, Aaron Rogers recieved a scholarship to play at CAL. You know, the Conference of Champions!

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