Ute life in the PAC-10.2 will be difficult at best this fall. Utah
and Colorado will simply provide some easy 'cupcake' games for the big boys.
Hedgehog,Go to ESPN and look at what your pac buddies say about you.
They don't think you'll add much and you guys are just adding to the bottom
feeders. Sounds about right.Correction: Utah's new rival =
@ragnarDid you read the list of schools that have a ski team? I've
never even heard of 3/4 of them. Gustavas Agustus? St. Cloud St.? Not to nitpick
but we aren't talking about a single major athletic university on that list. Not
one. I was exagerrating a little bit as far as womens gymnastics is
concerned as that is certainly an accomplishment but the ski thing is no more
relevent than the ballroom dance team at BYU.If a person is going to
use an obscure sport that practically no major university competes in to claim
athletic prowess then he should be prepared to get called on it.Remember Skiing, gymnastics and ballroom dance are all Olympic
"sports". Ballroom dance is every bit the "sport" that mixed
pairs figure skating, regular figure skating, synchronized swimming, gymnastics
or any other 'judged' scoring sporting event is. Of course to me
they are all no more than a passing interest, if that, but you guys want to
start making claims like that then you have to count all of the non sport
Michigan CougBetter to be a program headed toward mediocrity, than
one that's already there. 6-6: very impressively mediocre regular
So what, who cares about a football program heading towards mediocrity. Heck,
even Normy agrees that the utezie fans need to tone down their
giddiness...finally, and down-to-earth projection of where this Ute football
program is, as the reality of mediocrity is about to set in...enjoy 6-6 records
or worse, for the foreseeable future little brothers...
"Golf and Cross Country are "real sports", but skiing and
gymnastics are not? Honestly, please tell me that is a joke."Awsome pownage RagIf you wondering who's "guy" they are
look at the signature on their paychecks and you will have your answer.
Ragnar,You gotta watch out for Duck. He's very sneaky sneaky. Good
Re: DuckhunterReally? You don't consider skiing or gymnastics
sports? Look, I get that it is not the big 2, or even 3, but please don't
compare those two sports to ballroom dancing (cue dancing defenders).Golf
and Cross Country are "real sports", but skiing and gymnastics are
not? Honestly, please tell me that is a joke. I guess I just got trolled
Thanks to pocyUte2 for pulling up some stats. I still don't really know what
Stockton is trying to say. My original point was basically that Chow and Whit
have mirror image resumes. I fully admit that I consider Chow a "BYU
guy", but by my same logic, I would have to consider Whit a Utah guy. The
opposite is also true. An even better point was made after my post about how
Whit CHOSE Utah over BYU, making him a Utah man. Stockton is trampling all
over himself by pulling up made up or incorrect stats and then claiming that it
was to "see if you were awake", or "I was one year off"
(when he was actually 10). Classic message board hero who got owned and is now
claiming that he was just kidding or doesn't care, or testing you. Just go
away "Where's Stockton ???"
Stock here is the paragraph that you posted.Kyle played 4 years and
had a great defensive career at BYU and was an assistant coach at BYU for 5
Years. He's now been Head Coach at Utah for only 6 years... and he's doing a
heck of a job...because BYU does put out quality in all respects.This paragraph caused me a lot of confusion. I'm just trying to clarify the
facts that you presented, and show that Ragnar has a point. And, as
a BYU grad, I must admit, BYU does put out quality in all respects, but I think
Kyle would be a heck of a coach with or without his BYU experience.
Gee's... pack it in Utah Couty ute..Yes I know about Whittingham's 10 years as
assistant at the U and he was only a graduate assistant at the y and he was at
Idaho State for a while and at Eastern Utah...I said I agree with you...all this
is stupid because everybody spins what they want on these blogs and to see if
you were awake it was his father Fred who was the assistant at the Y but most
people on these blogs would never know or even catch that. The point is
everyone wants the up on everyone else. It's rediculous but that's what
contributes to the rivalry. I laugh at most of this alot more than take it so
seriously. I'm not sure of your perception. To me it's just entertainment.
Stock,I know I'm picking knits of a gnat. The thing is, your post
confused me. You said Whit was an assistant at BYU for 5 years. And head coach
at Utah for six. But he was a GA at BYU for 2, assistant coach at Utah for 11,
and head at Utah for 6, so I don't know where your numbers. Actually, in my correction I was wrong. Kyle didn't join the Utah staff until
'94.It doesn't really matter, because the argument is, as I said
before, completely stupid. Personally, I don't see the point of a rivalry doing
everything you can to tear the other side down, but more enjoying the success of
your own team, not that I don't get a certain satisfaction when BYU loses (in
the spirit of full disclosure).
@pocyUte2This article is about Whitingham and Chow...not Edwards.
Everbody knows where Edwards comes from and yes this argument is stupid. Some
guy named Rangard Danneskjold asked for an answer why people argue over this so
I gave him one totally based on facts and logic minus the 1 year that I
mistakenly shorted Whitingham which you pointed out...Right??? It's just
mindless wheel spinning. that's why they call in a rivalry.
@pocyUte2Ok...so I missied a year...Grant it... you made a
point...but only a small one. Not afraid to admit I'm wrong at times.Scoobie
along with that, Where's StocktonLavell, played football at USU and
got his Master's at Utah before coaching at BYU, so you could also say that
BYU's glory years originated at Utah/Utah State.That being said, the
whole debate is absolutely stupid. If it makes certain BYU fans feel better
about themselves that some current Utah coaches coached/played at BYU, that's
fine. I'm just sorry their lives' are so hollow that it takes something as
trivial as this to try to find some satisfaction.
Where's stocktonYou do know that Kyle has been coaching at Utah
since '93 right?
Rock Of The MarneWOW! You sounded like my 4 year old having a melt
down just then. If the Utes are done with the Cougs, then maybe someone should
tell all of them who are over on the BYU boards. Good luck in the
But BYU on the otherhand has won 14 national championships in real sports like
Football, Golf, Mens Volleyball, Cross Country, Track and Field, Rugby and
Lacrosse.I would compare skiing and womens gymnastics to BYU's 30
national championships in ballroom dance. None of those is much of a
"sport" at all.
@pac 12 loves youHere is a list of every single ncaa ski team.Alaska - Anchorage Seawolves SkiingAlaska - Fairbanks Nanooks
SkiingBabson Beavers SkiingBates Bobcats SkiingBoston College
Eagles SkiingBowdoin Polar Bears SkiingBrown Bears SkiingClarkson Golden Knights SkiingColby Mules SkiingColby-Sawyer
Chargers SkiingColorado Buffaloes SkiingDartmouth Big Green
SkiingDenver Pioneers SkiingGreen Mountain Eagles SkiingGustavus Adolphus Gusties SkiingHarvard Crimson SkiingMaine -
Presque Isle Owls SkiingMassachusetts Minutemen SkiingMichigan Tech
Huskies SkiingMiddlebury Panthers SkiingMIT Engineers SkiingMontana State Bobcats SkiingNevada Wolf Pack SkiingNew Hampshire
Wildcats SkiingNew Mexico Lobos SkiingNorthern Michigan Wildcats
SkiingNorthland Lumberjacks SkiingPlymouth State Panthers SkiingSmith Pioneers SkiingSt. Anselm Hawks SkiingSt. Benedict Blazers
SkiingSt. Cloud State Huskies SkiingSt. John's (MN) Johnnies
SkiingSt. Lawrence Saints SkiingSt. Michael's Purple Knights
SkiingSt. Olaf Oles SkiingSt. Scholastica Saints SkiingUtah
Utes SkiingUW - Green Bay Phoenix SkiingVermont Catamounts SkiingWhitman Missionaries SkiingWilliams Ephs SkiingNo clue who
most of them are. That is 10 of utahs "national championships.10 more in womens gymnastics. The rest are figments of your imagination.
@Rangnar DanneskjoldLoyalty has nothing to do with it...it's simple math
and diversification for experience.Kyle played 4 years and had a
great defensive career at BYU and was an assistant coach at BYU for 5 Years.
He's now been Head Coach at Utah for only 6 years... and he's doing a heck of a
job...because BYU does put out quality in all respects.Meanwhile
Norm Chow played and had a so so career at Utah for 4 Years and went on to
become an assistant coach at BYU for 25 years where he really great success
and according to many in the land became the master of offenses under
Edwards...including the 4 years that Kyle played is great defensive career at
BYU. But Norms only been coaching for about two weeks at Utah so he really
hasn't done much for Utah to make any real claims like BYU can. and rightfully
does. So obviously since BYU does put out quality in all respects...then logic
ties both coaches more to BYU then to Utah. Sorry...but logic is logic.How's that for simplicity???Scoobie
@Eddiewhat logic do you use in claiming byu the older brother? i have three questions for you: 1) who owns the rivalry?Utah does 53-33-42) which school has been around longer?Utah
was established in 1850byu was established in 1875.3)which
school has won more National Championships(in all sports)?Utah 24byu
10 To sum it up, Utah is the older brother by those three criterias:
head to head supremecy, establishment, and championships. Sure the little
brother can win a National Championship in Football. But, Utah will claim a
National Championship in Basketball. I think the stats speak for themselves.GO UTES!!!
I love all the BYU comments on here. Utah got BYU's dream (joining a BCS
conference), and now BYU fans are so bitter all they can do is speculate that
the Utes will do poorly in the Pac-12.The Utes will be playing the
Big Boys week in and week out. It will be a challenge. I don't expect them to
win the conference next year, but they'll compete. It will be great having all
those good teams come into RES. Exciting times for the Utes.
Eddie,You're drawing the same line that you accuse others of doing.
One championship in over 100 years of college football is hardly the overall
picture. Head to head, Utah has a much better record that BYU, so by that
criteria, BYU is the little brother. And how many BYU fans discount Utah's NCAA
championship in basketball?Seriously, all this back and forth is
ridiculous. BYU has fine athletics, Utah has fine athletics. Both have had
peaks and valleys, but overall, are very good programs.
Hedge,I know you have been told before, but I will say it again. How
many National Championships has the u won in Football?Crickets....Crickets....Crickets....We won't even go down the path
of all the individual trophies won by Cougars.Some people just want
to draw the line where they want and not look at the overall picture. A
championship is a championship is championship. Look at any sports history book
you want. BYU will always be the big brother to the little sister u.
Ah wedgie I think it is cute that you actually consider utah to be usc's
"rival". LOL I compare that to wyoming, csu, new mexico,
utah and sdsu considering themselves BYU's "rival". Sure they have
been in the same conference and played each other every year but when you are
getting your butt handed to you year after year after year after year after year
after year after year after year after year after year after year after year in
almost every sport you "compete" LOL against each other in is it
really a rivalry?Such is utah's future with usc in football and most
other sports, and ucla in basketball and most other sports and asu in basbeball
and basketball and football and ost other sp[orts and ariz in basketball and
football and baseball and most other sports and all of the other pac10 schools
in almost every sport."Rivals"
I would consider Coach Witt a Ute now and forever. Not because of how long he
has been working on the Hill. Not because of his 2 BCS rings. I would consider
him a UTE because he turned down BYU and stayed with UTAH. That is what makes
him a UTE!!! A-ROD is now a UTE because he did the same thing. I know to some
that turning down BYU is just silly but I for one like the direction of both
programs and I am pleased with both Programs.....
Can one of the BYU fans please explain to me why both Whit and Chow are
considered BYU products? Kyle played at BYU and has coached at Utah for many
years. Chow played at Utah and coached at BYU for many years. You cannot claim
them both (I know there are a few other coaches on the Ute staff as well). I
certainly consider Chow a BYU product, but you cannot say that about Kyle
anymore. If you have coached somewhere for at least twice as long as you played
at another place, you are no longer considered a product of where you played
your college ball. You make yourself sound silly when you claim that all
of these coaches are more loyal to the place they played for 3 years, than the
place that has given them a decent living for over a decade. I honestly just
don't get it. Please enlighten me.
Duckhunter,I know it's shocking and hard to accept but yes, USC and
UCLA are not only in the PAC12 but the South division with the Utes.This small group (six teams) will quickly develop a heated rivalry as they
persue a common goal.....winning the division.And the TDS? no such
common goals. Just aimlessly looking for a pick-up game with anyone who has an
open date on their conference schedule.
Who listens to 1320 KFAN? Its a joke of a station. 1280 the Zone has superior
programming. Seriously. Why would anyone listen to KFAN?
Wedgie said: "What's more interesting is the rivalry we have
with the USC's and UCLA's of the world."Bwaaahaaahaaaahaaahhaaaaaa
A couple of key things from these interviews First and formost...I too am
impressed that Kyle spent an entire half hour speaking with Bob Seger. Im sure
his insights to Runnin Against The Wind and what those real Hollywood Nights are
like will inspire the team. But will things ever be Still The Same down on
Mainstreet in SLC. Despite the imposed sanctions against...USC...which by the
way haven't happened yet due to the appeal process. So when you look at the
fact that USC was still able to pick up 25 of the 40-45 who signed LOI's and
moved them to the Recruited side of the ledger...that the only thing Still the
same Down on Mainstreet is that USC remains Like A Rock. And that's without
even mentioning that 2of those recruits signed were 5's and the rest were pretty
much all 4's in the first 100 on Rival's.com's top 250. I totally agree with
Chow's final assessment. The fans need to lower their expectations in respect
to the enormous difficulty of the schedule they are going to be facing the next
season or two.Scoobie
"What's more interesting is the rivalry we have with the USC's and UCLA's
of the world."lol, get real hedgieThe Utes are
nothing but filler for the PAC 12 to be able to schedule a championship game.Trojan and Bruin fans think of SDSU as more of a "rival" than
the Utes will ever be.
Hey, I'd talk about football radio interviews as well. Have you seen Utah play
As far as a rival I'd put BYU and USU in the same group.... yes, they are within
the same state but beyond that nothing more important.What's more
interesting is the rivalry we have with the USC's and UCLA's of the world.As I've said many times before, it would be for the best if Utah would
drop the tds from football (similar to what Penn St. did with Pitt) as there is
nothing to gain and only things to lose.Beating the tds will be
almost meaningless as it relates to conference play - althoug it's been a fairly
easy go ( 2 of 3 / 6 of 9).tds will view the Utah game as it's sole
identity; if they win they are worthy, if the lose they are failures.
"Two former BYU guys coaching the Utees! Oh the humorous irony of it
all!"Mountanman, Yes, BYU has been a good feeder
school for the BCS....what's your point?Buster, Y so bitter?
Two former BYU guys coaching the Utees! Oh the humorous irony of it all!
Rock o the Marne, I hate trolls too, so get after the ute trolls, too.
Good to see the trolls (Max was right, Veritas Aequitas et al) are out in force
showing us once again that they are indeed little brother (a mid major one at
that). Please go away BYU trolls as I don't appreciate you being all over every
and all Utah stories like white on rice. Hypocrites you are but please don't
let that stop you on your way back to your nationally irrelevant mid major
program. Can't you get through your heads that Utah is done with you;
especially the so called Y fans which are delusional, insecure, jealous and from
the content of their comments lately, desperate. I don't even care if you go
away mad, just go away.
Indypendince is way so much better
Great article and interesting interviews. This is a great opportunity for Utah
and it appears they understand the challenge and are trying to make the correct
decisions to be very competitive in the PAC-12. Mr. Chow is very good addition
to the staff as a senior mentor to the whole staff and great offensive coach.
You got the money, talked about the conference, now it's going to be put up time
for the players. That is going to be interesting to see how the
"Eweties" handle getting drilled each week and finishing in the bottom
half of their new league for the unforeseeable future. Talk about making
mistakes, it's going to be interesting to see how long it is until they want out
of that conference also!
I for one can' wait for Spring ball.@Buster (aka Verita, aka Max)Utah finished 10-3 just like your 2008 team the only difference we
didn't print "Perfection" t-shirts for our 8-0 team like you did for
your 0-0 team.
Veritas Aequitas - "Personally, I want to know how they plan on getting out
of the tailspin they crashed and burned in last season"Then
listen to the interviews rather than smack talking.
Maybe Chow cantake over the basketball coaching job. I hear they need a coach.
Max, they can't talk about the Vegas Bowl, even though it was a record-setting
blow-out loss to a MWC team.Are they going to talk about how they
went from 5th in the AP, to unranked?Basketball?No,
realistically, they had to talk about what they are gonna do...Personally, I want to know how they plan on getting out of the tailspin they
crashed and burned in last season.I may hit some of the interesting
games next year.
Max was right,This is what happens when you get invited to a BCS
conference.27/7 baby, 24/7
RE: Max was rightAny news about Utah is relevant and good news!
Always!! GO UTES!!!
Re: Max-was-right | 11:53 a.m. "ute homers like Mike"Your talking about the same writer who wrote - Could Jake Heaps reach Jimmer
Max-was-right:The national letter of intent sigining day was just a
few days ago. Norm Chow's move to Utah happened just within the past few weeks.
Having an article that links to interviews that talk about new recruits and Norm
Chow's plan for the offense seems like pretty recent and relevant news to me.
Is this for real? Now we are writing about some local radio interview about a
sport 7 months away? I guess the ute homers like Mike will do anything to shift
the focus off that thing they call a basketball team. At least in October when
good ole Mike is writing about basketball to shift the focus on the train wreck
of a football season, the article then will only be a month or so away from the
topic....Crimson is red alrighty...