So many ungrounded assertions regarding people's motives here by so many. If we
just stick with the facts we would have a much better chance of reaching optimum
solutions.For one, as much as I support compreshensive reforms, they
need to be done in Congress at the national level. I must aggree with the
assertion some are making here, that a Utah only guest worker program will be a
magnet for illegal aliens from other states. They are still illegal, because
federal law defines them that way.On the enforcement side the
reality is $dollars$. I challenge anyone to disprove my assertion. The reason we
are running state enforcement bills as unfunded mandates to city and county
governments is we can't afford, (especially now), the true cost of training and
additional resources under 287-G to do the job right!It is much
easier to pass a tough sounding state bill with no funding in an austere budget
environment then it is to actually do the real work of enforcement. Priorities
still need to be for violent and other serious crimes no matter who commits
them.Show me the money, or you are just whistling Dixie.
Is there any valid data that clearly shows deportation won't work? I have seen
some info from CIS that self-deportation actually takes place with stepped-up
enforcement.Have we bought the political hype that "you can't deport
12 million people."? Have we trusted GWB when he simply said, "That
ain't gonna happen."?
Just last year,our governor assured business therewould be no penalty
involved in violating a recentlypassed law regarding E-Verify. I fully
support Herrod and Sandstrom without compromise. In addition all violators and
illegals need to be penalized and/or prosecuted.
Our laws are not broken, they are being ignored by many, and that has to stop.
We have a group of people in this country that could care less what
kind of place we leave our children. They only care about flooding our country
with cheap labor. It's time people, to stand up for your country, your
children's future and your jobs. We must have enforcement, state,
Federal, local, it does not matter. The illegal
immigration-amnesty-illegal immigration-amnesty-chain has to be broken. It is a
well planed destruction of our borders and eventually control of our country.
We have government officials that worked for Mexico to influence
immigration laws favorable to their people. Why would another country pay people
so their people could leave?
Sandstrom and Herrod for pres.
I have a friend who is a CEO of a major company in Arizona. A few years ago,
Arizona passed a bill like Herrod's. My friend has some reservations about the
enforcement bill that Arizona passed last year, but he thinks that the Arizona
bill requiring employers to verify new employees as legal has been the most
effective of all legislation in discouraging illegal immigration. In addition,
the 9th circuit court of appeals (the most liberal in the country) has ruled
that e-verify legislation is constitutional. Excluding concerns about
costs and problems for businesses, is there anyone out there who really believes
that there is some kind of unethical or immoral behavior in making sure that
businesses in the future hire people who are in the US legally?
I think the permit idea is great. A fair fee should be charge to offset
potential litigation and other expenses. Somewhere around an initial fee of
$5,000 and annual renewals of $1,500 is a good start.
The legislature is playing games. They know what the majority of Utahns want
and now they work for their own interests. If we do not stop the illegal
invasion now, it will be too late to do anything. Come on legislators, do your
job. BTW, your job is promoting the will of the majority in case you have
JHPOur immigration system is NOT BROKEN! It works just fine when
politicians and law enforcement do their jobs. The way to "address
immigrants in our state" is to stop letting them work here illegally and
deport them. You don't hear other countries with illegal aliens talking about
amnesty, guest worker programs, or anything of the sort. They also don't spout
Democrat talking points about "we can't round them up" , they simply
DO round them up and make their lives miserable until they leave. We can do the
same. If you want them here why don't you and other bleeding hearts start
writing checks to cover the cost of having them here?
We need some sensible legislation to address the immigrants in our state --
legislation that is based on human reality and the fact that our system is
broken.It appears that Sandstrom and Herrod are going to lose half
the loaf in pursuit of the whole loaf.
So, the Arizona bill was attacked by the White House and liberals because it was
the state enacting immigration.Using that reasoning, granting a
worker privelage card is also illegal.Lets not forget that the US
Constitution states that immigration rules are to be determined by Congress.
The important thing is that it doesn't say that only the Federal Government can
enforce the rules.
NOW is the best time to contact your state legislator/senator to let them know
you support BOTH the Sandstrom and Herrod bills.The next few days
are when the pro-amnesty folks (in various forms)will be lobbying VERY HARD to
entice the Utah legislature to JUST DO NOTHING and hope that the feds will solve
THEIR problem.We already know that WON'T HAPPEN!
Work permits = Amnesty and permission for one group of criminals who ignore the
law to continue doing so until we change our laws to their liking , in the
meantime, enabling them to keep on looting the state and national treasuries.Utah CON PACT = A group of self interested business, church, and civic
leaders and organizations who profit from exploiting illegal aliens and don't
want the party to be over yet. Spend most of their time trying to re-define
"compassion" to the benefit of criminals and the detriment of American
citizens they harm.Reality (currently defined by amnesty hacks as
the inability to remove illegal aliens so we must therefore allow them in
legally) = Baloney pedaled by open borders advocates who don't know history.
Three U.S. Presidents have ordered illegals out of the country under the threat
of severe penalties. Most of them left. We can and must chase them out of here
one way or the other while we still have a country. That is "reality".
The only real solution to the problem is enforcement. A guest worker amnesty
would just put off the problem and cause more illegal immigration. It's to bad our country has lost it's moral compass and started to worship
greed. Honest people don't break immigration laws, and honest people don't hire
those here illegally. It's not cruel to enforce our laws. Countries
all over the world do it.
If we really want to accomplish anything to combat the influx of illegal aliens
and the impacts they are causing, we need to zero in on each facet of the
solution and fine-tune the legislation to its desired intent.To try
to mix causes and intents in one bill will only bring about a situation with no
majority consensus and nothing will be accomplished. We will end up
again waiting and hoping for the feds to do what they should have been doing all
along.Both the Sandstrom and the Herrod bills should stand on their
own merits one at a time.
It is VERY possible to get rid of all the illegals in this state. If both the
Herrod bill and the Sandstrom bill are passed, the illegal aliens who are
contacted by law enforcement officers will be sent home. Those that aren't,
won't be able to work, and will go home on their own. Problem solved.
It's time to get rid of the drivers privilege cards. It gives people a false
sense of legitimacy. It's not needed for a person to buy insurance, and we are
one of the three states with it still on the books. The other two are currently
discussing having it removed this year. End in state tuition, it's against
Federal law. And why not make it a state felony to work here
illegally, with a big fine, remove the reward for working her illegally. We have just as many people here illegally working, as we do unemployed.
That's just wrong. I can't help but wonder how much Senator Robles
past job with Mexico has influenced her bill.
If Robles bill is passed, there will be a torrent of illegals coming to Utah to
get a card. Do we really want that? Most other states that surround us have
introduced bills on immigration. again the illegals in those states will flock
to Utah as it seems that we are welcoming them with bills like Robles. We need
to send a message that they are not welcome here either. We need to support
stricter immigration bills and send them back to their respective country's.
I for one am in complete support for these two bills. No amnesty of any kind
should be offered. They broke the law coming here, so pay the consequences just
like every one else has to for breaking the law.
Of course they're not interested in compromising - they're interested in
grandstanding!These guys - all of them - should Google "Cato
Institution Immigration Reform Bulletin" and read the current issue to
understand the real problem, and how to deal with it.