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Published: Monday, Jan. 24 2011 9:09 p.m. MST

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J. Adams
Sandy, UT

As long as comprehensive immigration reform equals comprehensive illegal deportation we are all for it.
Otherwise, the majority of Utahns want religious leaders to pay the bill for their political activism. If they have to pay for all the illegals we will see how sincere they are.

Spoc
Ogden, UT

I find the whole argument that states should refuse to cooperate with federal agencies in the enforcement of federal criminal law to be odd. The Federal government has already offered local enforcement officers permission, with training, to act as extensions of Federal eyes and ears, as they have with most Federal criminal statutes. Citizens have always been encouraged to report suspicious activity to local authorities.

Urban politicians, fearing a large ethnic populations ability to remove them from office, refuse to participate. The resulting sanctuary problems of non-enforcement are not restricted to that politician, so in Arizona suburban and rural politicians took the initiative to require statewide participation.

The truth is that if Federal enforcement were effective, these people would still be unhappy. It has nothing to do with what level of government should be involved in enforcement. It is a red herring. They simply do not want it enforced. If that was not the case, you wouldnt also hear a plea for amnesty made by the same people. By their logic we should forbid local officers from enforcing any Federal law and offer amnesty to those who break them.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

patriot vet,
thank you for your service. Law abiding immigrants are already here legally and need no change in the law. I have no problem with them. Illegal immigrants are by definition not law abiding.

jim l,
unfortunately by change the law they mean grant amnesty to all the illegals here. They haven't the integrity to admit it, but that's really what they're after.

SLars
Provo, UT

In the past 15 years have these clergy told people to come here legally?

That was the time to bring people out of the shadows and stop the division in our communities.

Not doing anything now will divide our communities even further.

NeilT
Clearfield, UT

The Mexican border runs from Texas to CA. There is no feasible way to stop immigration from a country the size and population of Mexico. Calling them illegals is a way of dehumanizing them, or in other words making them less than they are. Fences, rhetoric and harsh laws will never solve an economic problem. You can't blame people for fleeing violence, corruption and poverty. A call for compassion is not an endorsement of breaking the law. A law enforcement only approach is like putting an alcoholic in jail overnight. They may sober up however they are still an alcoholic. If we continue to deport them they will find their way back. The problem will solve itself when Mexico returns to stability. How to accomplish that is for people a lot smarter and more educated than me.

John Pack Lambert of Michigan
Ypsilanti, MI

The proper role of religious leaders is to provide moral leadership on issues that they feel matter.

Thus, these leaders are within their proper role.

People do not give up their freedom of speech when they become religious leaders.

John Pack Lambert of Michigan
Ypsilanti, MI

Conservative,
There are many non-Mexican undocumented immigrants in the US. In New York City possibly the largest contingent is people from the Dominican Republic but there are also large numbers of undocumented immigrants in that city from the Ivory Coast and other west African countries.

Here in Michigan we have lots of undocumented immigrants from Albania and China.

John Pack Lambert of Michigan
Ypsilanti, MI

Pagan,
However you are joining the chorus of claiming that religious leaders have no right to speak on political matters.

This is a false claim. The right to speak is not limit. It is broad and open. Everyone has the freedom of speech.

FreeTexan
San Antonio, TX

We are all God's children. God's children are supposed to follow the law.

1 Peter 2:13 "Submit yourself to every ordinance of man . . . to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors."

First they broke the law. Then they have a child. How can you be an adult parent with a child in a country illegally? That is child endangerment. Most Americans could not fathom entering another country illegally. We would expect to be sent back or jailed.

They break the law as an adult. They are responsible for a child as an adult. The child grows up to be an adult and stays illegal. Now you have two adults breaking the law.

If you have a warrant for a parking ticket, you get checked at a traffic stop and no one cares if it 'separates you from your family'. Simply check the immigration status at every traffic stop on everyone and it won't be profiling.

anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

"They can't go back,"

They can so go back, and can thereby remain together as families in their home countries.

Amnesty rewards illegal behavior, it is unfair, and these people know it.

patriotandmore
Spanish Fork, UT

Close the borders. Feds, do your job. God bless Arizona! Jan Brewer for President.

patriotandmore
Spanish Fork, UT

"Local high school students standing among the crowd, where signs such as "Who Would Jesus Deport?" Jesus would deport all who have broken the law similar to the money changers in the Temple. John 2:15, "And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple......" All law-breakers must pay the price. Drive illegal aliens home!

Hawkeye79
Iowa City, IA

NeilT, Our society has developed labels for those who violate the laws. Is it dehumanizing to call someone a speeder, thief, rapist, or murderer if they have indeed violated the applicable law? Referring to those who illegally immigrate as illegal immigrants is descriptive, not dehumanizing. It could be argued that calling them anything different would be trying to make them less than they are.

Additionally, I would ask how you believe Mexico and other struggling nations will ever become stable if the US continues to drain them of productive citizens who want a better life? Do you think this change will occur as the percentage of criminals increases (as many are deported from the US because of their actions)? Do you believe that suffering, starvation and oppression will somehow decrease abroad when there are fewer who have the will to improve their circumstances?

If foreign stability is truly your goal, then you may want to reconsider supporting short-sighted reforms that will help the few who make it to the US at the expense of the many who remain in their home countries.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'This is a false claim. The right to speak is not limit.' - John Pack Lambert of Michigan | 9:17 p.m. Jan. 24, 2011

Following this logic, there should be a law against shell fish.

The 'right to speak' is limited in many ways.

Can you yell 'fire' in a crowded room? Do you have a dress code for your job?

If you want the 'freedom' to speak as a person fine...

but pay taxes on the things I must as well.

Housing, monitary bonuses, donations, etc.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

It was fun watching those Mexican women climb the border fence in 20 seconds flat. Only way to keep the rabbits out is to make the garden less attractive. I don't suppose anybody wants to do that. Let's just let 'em in with a worker card. What kind of business doesn't let the customers in the front door?

American Spartan
Taylorsville, Utah

Note "Revolutionary Student Union" banner with activists, along the crowd.

This group is Communist with a notorious presence at Utah Valley University. The 100-person crowd is nothing but Socialist. They demand amnesty and stopping deportation, which means disobedience of the law and calling for destruction.

They are subversives, and merit no respect. The conservative lawmakers know the protesters' political alignment, and should ignore the illegal alien advocates.

May the rule of law reign supreme in Utah, with Sandstrom's bill passed to become law. Then they can leave Utah. California is suffering from the crisis of illegal immigration among other internal problems, and Utah would favor itself to avoid California's fate as a failed state due to rampant liberalism.

Teafortwo
salt lake city, utah

There is already a path to legal immigration into this country. Why on earth should those who have chosen to bypass the legal path and come here illegally be rewarded for breaking the law? Amnesty DOES NOT WORK. It was tried before and our illegal immigration problem is worse than it has ever been and gets worse every day. There should be no amnesty. Period. Instead, we need to ban all taxpayer financed benefits and services for the illegal, criminal invaders. Once these incentives are removed, they will have no choice but to leave.

danaslc
Kearns, UT

Right now the state is in session for 2011 making budget cuts to our poor, our disabled, our children, schools and not one word about all the welfare, housing, medical care and free cell phones to illegals? Shame on your politicians, shame on you church organizations and shame on this state for taxing me to pay for illegals. How can any of you feel good about stealing from American's and their children. This is disgusting.

c00kster
Provo, Utah

I'm still promoting the plan of designating one US State--like New Mexico--as the transition location for undocumented immigrants. Rather than deport, relocate and provide adequate healthcare, education, etc., so they can come out of the shadows and work their way towards citizenship. Let the Feds pay for it and let the other 49 states divest themselves of undocumented immigrants. Levy heavy fines on employers who continue to hire undocumented laborers. This solves the problem of splitting up families when deporting the undocumented members. It certainly wouldn't be a paradise to be in the designated state, but it would likely be better than living in Mexico. If not, they can always go back across the border. This is a big country and being compassionate doesn't mean we have to give every advantage to those who take advantage of us by immigrating outside the proper channels.

SLars
Provo, UT

It doesn't matter who enforces the laws, state of federal. What matters is that they are enforced.

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