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Published: Monday, Jan. 24 2011 9:09 p.m. MST

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lawenforcementfromAZ
Glendale, AZ

As a retired law enforcement officer, I continue to ask the question: if the current laws are not enforced (they are not broken, just not enforced), how can we trust our leaders in any revisions (and promises) they may make?

Hawkeye79
Iowa City, IA

"[Rowland] suggested a path to citizenship for immigrants already living in Utah who are willing to pay a fine, undergo a criminal background check and provide proof of paying taxes."

And what should be done about the illegal immigrants (and their families) who are aware that they will not pass a criminal background check and choose to remain in Utah without entering a path to citizenship?

This proposal will not solve the problem.

TRUTH
Salt Lake City, UT

Since when do religious leaders become experts on all things immigration in Utah??

Stick to lecturing your flock and let the business of leges be manages by those ELECTED to do so!

patriot vet
Cedar City, UT

The dilemma that millions of our friends, neighbors and honorable families face is difficult for us Born in the USA to understand. Virtually none of our forefathers had to go through the unbearably long process that the laws now require for citizenship.

It is time to help those millions come out of the shadows and extend a process of citizenship to them. Almost all of them have contributed to the American dream by laboring and being honorable partners with us.

Those of us that served in war did so to provide for freedoms to the downtrodden, not to throw up bureaucratic roadblocks to keep people from bettering their lives.

I hope the Church will join these other churches in calling for comprehensive immigration reform and a path to citizenship for the millions of law-abiding and hard working immigrants among us.

sally
Kearns, UT

I have wondered how many charities associated with the pro illegal churches and individuals in this state are making money off of helping the illegals. Compassion may be used as a way to facilitate income/tax write offs from running the charities. Many of these charities may become obsolete if the illegals leave this state. Politics and money working hand in hand using compassion to sway the emotions of citizens.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

1) It is estimated that there are 20 million illegal immigrants in the US at this time...

compared to an estimated 2 million in the US military, home & abroad.

That means, if we got withdrew every military presence in the world, enlisted every firefighter, police officer and nurse to help the military...

we would still be outnumberd compared to illegal immigrants in this country.

2) A 'work program' is the ONLY viable solution, as physical force would fail.

3) Some agree that the foundation for this current goverment, America, were decendents from the Pilgrims in the Mayflower.

4) State regulation will, most likely, be as diverse as the 50 states themselves and at times may contridict each other.

5) Some religions refuse to give the immigrant status of some of it's missionaries in the US.

6) Once again, we see spiritual leaders try to have say on political issues.

All without paying taxes.

ouisc
Farmington, UT

Enforcing immigration laws SHOULD be a Federal issue. But good luck getting their attention! The Feds are more interested in saying what states CANT do as opposed to what they CAN do, locally, to deal with their problems.

Why can't enforcing immigration laws be a state issue? Why couldn't states make their own laws? Utah's immigration problems are different than the immigration problems in any other state. Border states have their own local issues. And the Feds have proven to be inept at enforcing immigration laws.

Conservative
Cedar City, UT

The interesting thing about illegal aliens is that you can't tell them apart from all the other Mexicans. At work, at church, shopping, even those that I hire to do work...I can't tell them apart.

That's a real problem. The fact is they are as hard working and loyal and dedicated as us! It's time to do something about it. The churches are right!

Demisana
South Jordan, UT

"All without paying taxes. " You do realize that all the individuals members of all these churches DO pay taxes? Right? And that freedom of speech applies equally to atheists and believers? Whether or not they hold positions in their various denominations?

Why is it that no Democrat raises an eyebrow when a liberal denomination talks politically at the pulpit on a Sunday, but starts hyperventilating when a conservative church leader is quoted outside of his church?

I think we need to go back to basic principles. That is, short of shouting "Fire!" falsely in a crowded theater, anybody can say anything they want at any time. And the rest of us can choose to listen or ignore, without having a conniption about it.

Anonymous Infinity
American Fork, UT

To: Conservative
You are as they say in PC politics nowadays...inaccurate in your statements. Justifying the presence of people who have entered this country illegally as being hardworking, lawabiding, etc., etc., etc. is just plain hogwash. People don't belong in this country under current immigration laws. The United States cannot continue unenforcing immigration laws. This baloney would stop or be 90% plus curtailed by simply building an appropriate wall on our southern border, policing our coast lines and ports properly and policing the criminals and deporting all undocumented criminals when detained and identified. We see much of the serious crime being perpetrated by scumbags who are not citizens. There should be a twenty to twenty five mile stip along the border relegated to become military reservation territory to used by the military as training territory and aircraft bombing zones. This would virtually stop illegals.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'You do realize that all the individuals members of all these churches DO pay taxes?' - Demisana | 2:34 p.m. Jan. 24, 2011

Do they pay taxes on the tithing? Church building?

Are they representing this as individuals, or as religious leaders?

Just look at the picture for an answer:

'Reverend Steve Klemz of Zion Evangelical Lutheran Church (at podium)..'

Or, to quote conservative:

'The interesting thing about illegal aliens is that you can't tell them apart from all the other Mexicans.' - Conservative | 2:21 p.m. Jan. 24, 2011

Because apparently Pilgrims...

looked like Mexicans.

Your claim that they pay INDIVIDUAL taxes does not take away from the fact that the ORGINIZAION they represent, religion pick one, does not.

And who mentioned party?

You did.

Not me.

You are free to have your opinion.

However, that does not protect you from criticism.

Trueman
Draper, Utah

Comprehensive reform is "code talk" for open USA boarders. Why not adopt Mexico's immigration laws, then who can complain. Further, if the World would have let their respective Churches decide world affairs in the last century, then we, minus all the Jewsish people who would have been eliminated in the world, would all be speaking German right now.

Emophiliac
Vernal, UT

Not even close to being a solution. The amnesty in 1986 didn't solve the illegal problem - this one won't either. Instead, just require businesses to prove they are hiring legal US citizens or residents. If businesses break that law, fine the business heavily, take away their business license for a reasonable time, or shut them down. Make following the law in the Business' best interest.

And, yes, possibly do more on the border. However, from the couple of visits I've made in the last few months, there is a huge Border Patrol presence near the border. It would be interesting to know what they could be doing better that they aren't.

Demisana
South Jordan, UT

@Pagan - I don't care who criticizes me. Just get irritated when you and others try to shut some people out of the discussion altogether because they don't like what they are saying - like churches. As if they aren't a legitimate part of this country (speaking of Pilgrims, among others, btw...)

As for party - please make my day - I'll try to make sure I'm not drinking anything when you claim you aren't a liberal - wouldn't want to ruin my keyboard or monitor.

Anti Government
Alpine, UT

re: patriot vet

I'm so glad you have decided that "the unbearably long" process that I recently completed is no longer necessary for the law breakers that are already here.

Let me guess...this is "fair"?

Myself and many others who chose to follow the law now I guess just get a "atta-boy"?

I left the cesspool that is socialist canada and now king hussein and other liberals are busy trying to do the same. It makes my stomach turn.

Our prisons are full of illegals. Our State and others top 10 most wanted lists are full of illegals and virtually none of them get deported,

The liberals have one plan and this is it:

Let as many illegals in as possible because they are generally poor. Poor people love government assistance and handouts. Liberals love to act like they are helping people by "giving" them social assistance but we have all hear the phrase "give a man a fish vs. teach a man to fish...".

Liberals love anyone they can politically manipulate for power and that is what they see these people as...political pawns to be manipulated and used.

JanSan
Pocatello, ID

Rowland said ""(Immigrants) are not so much breaking the law as they are being broken by the law," YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! something said that I can agree on! I have NO PROBLEM with immigrants.. be them brown black white yellow red .. God Bless you! BUT ILLEAGAL aliens that is a total different story! With all of the illeagal aliens who are BREAKING THE LAW in coming here, it seem VERY PREJUDICE to me to allow them to stay, even though they broke the law to get here - and take up room that someone from Europe or Canada or wherever who is not Mexican cannot now come because there is not enough room for them. Why should we reward these people for breaking our laws just because they are Mexican.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'@Pagan - I don't care who criticizes me. Just get irritated when you and others try to shut some people out of the discussion altogether because they don't like what they are saying...' - Demisana | 3:53 p.m. Jan. 24, 2011

Demisana, I am NOT the moderator on these threads. I do not have the factual ABILITY to 'shut some people out' of the post's here.

Please keep that in mind when you falsely accuse me of it.

As for party, you encourage me to engage in that debate AFTER you start it yourself.

'Why is it that no Democrat...' - Demisana | 2:34 p.m.

'As for party - please make my day...' - Demisana | 3:53 p.m.

Immigration does not need to be a party debate.

Please talk to me when you can see past that.

Noah
So Ogden, Ut

It is very interesting that so many want to overlook the problem of immigration as a whole. We as a Nation cannot continue to allow so many immigrants. We MUST stop illegals first, our citizens need the work illegals are taking. A new study from Northeastern University shows that between 2008 and 2010, 1.1 million newly arriving aliens gained jobs while U.S. household employment declined by 6.26 million. (Reuters, Jan. 20, 2011)

The U.S. economy did not create enough jobs to keep up with population growth in 2010. There are 7.2 million fewer jobs today than there were in December of 2007, and it may take years to close the gap. There are fewer jobs today, with a population approaching 310 million, than there were in 2000, when U.S. population was just over 281 million. The U.S. is projected to add 30 million new residents each decade for the foreseeable future. Immigration will account for 86 percent of U.S. population growth between now and 2050.
These statistics have received steady coverage from the press. Yet, I am still waiting for a reporter to connect the dots. Deseret News, are you listening???

CJ
Murray, UT

While all of you religious amnesty hacks are together why don't you get out your checkbooks and write checks to cover the costs of illegal immigrants? You are always generous with everyone else's money. You are the biggest bunch of hypocrites since the BIBLE. I never hear any of you express concern for the victims of illegals. Your crocodile tears make me sick, you all want them here for one reason; new members and new donors. That is it. You all need to shut up until you step up and open your own houses and wallets.

jim l
West Jordan, UT

Why do we need to change the laws when they did not enforce or obey the old ones? Why does not the media understand the frustration of the american people. We dont seal the borders, illegals continue to stream across. All we hear is amnesty, amnesty, amnesty. There is no end in sight, and we have to continue to pay for their education, health care, food,etc. etc. While the Democrats look for votes and the rinos look for cheap labor for their buddies. All the while americans suffer with wage suppression, or no jobs. We cannot feed the world.

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