Its ok little brother with a smaller stadium and a smaller fan base... at least
you'll be in the pac 12 huh? Good for you. 6-6!
Interesting how a storied program like UofM continues to post sell out seasons
even after suffering several poor seasons.BYU suffers one bad season
and the affects are felt quickly.Who can forget that New Mexico
I predict that this thread will bring out the most immature on both sides of the
argument. I think the Des news does it intentionally sometimes to stir the pot.
hedge and whoisjohngalt are already hard at work making thier
respective sides look bad.
Who can forget that Vegas Bowl. LOL!
I say it is time to expand the stadium. We need to enclose the south end zone!
@whoisjohngaltFunny, since byU was in the MWC and went 7-6. lol2 out of 3 and SCOREBOARD!
One .500 season and RES turns into a ghost town...
Utah at #11, 100.98% of capacity. And that is with season tickets sold out at a
31,000 cap, and the amount of student tickets capped. If Rice-Eccles expanded
tomorrow, the U has the season ticket waiting list and student demand to fill it
immediately. It's a gooooood time to be a Ute fan!And Cougar fan
living in 1984 will continue to claim Rice-Eccles is half-full and only sells
out when the team down south comes to town.
I've gotta say, these numbers are pretty impressive. To have two schools in one
state who consistently sell out games and provide such difficult environments
for opposing teams to play in is a great thing.Go Utes!
Even in a down year BYU still had a large pecentages go to the games, and get a
lot of people! Utah also did great avereging over its capacity. Way to go
college football fans in Utah.
And another beat down by the Y. A 7-6 teams outdraws the u by about
96,000 fan for the year...so the u needs to play 8 home games a year, and sell
out the RES, to equal a down year for the Y.The average ticket price
at the Y is 3x the price of the u, so the u will need to play 24 home games a
year to generate the same revenue stream as a 7-6 team from BYU. Instead of expanding the RES, just fill it in with sand, save the tax payers
money. The Ath Department of the u is a money loser...time to shut it down.
Not often is big ben the voice of reason, but this time I concur. Let's get it
out of the way now.... higher percentage.... more total people.... a bunch of
classless kids.... a bunch of newly weds and nearly drags.... now that we
got that out of our system.... congratulations to both teams, byu for numbers,
and Utah for percentage. In all seriousness, does anyone know the
timetable or fiscal estimates on the RES expansion?
Thriller you're spot on. That is 2 schools within 40 miles of each other
selling out all the time. When both teams are playing that's over 100,000
people going to football games from a population base of about 2 mill. I'd say
mobilizing roughly 5% of the wasatch front is pretty good.I hope the
expansion happens soon.
Skierelmo: my guess would be as soon as they know how much revenue the pac-12
tv contract brings in. If it is as high as estimated, then it will start as
soon as the ink on the tv contract is dry. The U can float the construction
costs until they start receiving the full revenue share from the conference. I
would bet by the start of the 2013 season, RES will have 10-15,000 more seats.
If they take down the entire south endzone seating and locker rooms, then it
will be 2014.
So in a down year at 7-6 BYU still sells 16000 more seats a game than Utah? The
Raw numbers are the raw numbers. Who cares if you are at 100 percent capacity
if you play your games in a cracker jack box stadiam that only holds 30,000
Way to go Utes! This speaks volumes for the need to expand RES. You're in the
PAC 10 now and need to get the stadium up to 60k or so to really make it a great
home field advantage. Imagine Oregon coming into a sea of red. Get it done.Kudos to the Y as well. A 7-6 season and still they nearly sell out
every game. I think LES could use another 20k seats as well in order to
generate a bit more cash with all the big names that will be coming to Provo in
future years!Good Luck to both (but mostly the Cougs) next year!
Even in BYUs worst home season in a while they do better. Especially since BYU
students have to pay. Imagine if they got into all sports for free like utah!
Wow, that's crazy it's free and they don't sell out. I understand about
basketball I suppose.
Not only do we both have high attendance numbers, but we both have the beautiful
Wasatch Mountains for a backdrop. Looks like I'm not the only one who loves a
football game on a bright Fall afternoon in Utah.It would be great
to see both schools get the funds to expand their respective stadiums!
Utah fans love spinning recent attendance figures based on capacity, but the
bottom line is BYU in a 7-6 year drew an average of 16,000 more fans per game
than Utah with a 10-3 record and a once Top 5 ranking.BYU 61,381,
Utah 45,459 The Utes blame their lower attendance on their smaller
stadium, but the reality is the Utes have a smaller stadium because there's not
enough interest in Utah football to fill a larger stadium.BYU was
drawing 46,000+ way back in 1980, BEFORE demand for increased capacity drove
expansion of Cougar Stadium to 66,000.For the last 30 years, BYU has
averaged 15,000 to 25,000 more fans every year than Utah.The reasons
Utah won't expand its stadium are:1. The Utes don't have enough
money to expand their stadium.2. Chris Hill doesn't want to waste
millions of dollars expanding RES just to see 20,000 to 30,000 seats sitting
empty when the Utes become a perennial middle of the PAC, unranked, 7-5 team.Huntsman Center capacity 15,000, attendance 6,000.Spin away,
but that's reality!
Let's not forget that at least 40% of the fans at LES are kids under the age of
ten who do not understand football or even care about it, and are only there
because they have no other choice. This is speaking of many experiences of being
there not opinion. So congrats coug fans, your fan base at LES is somewhere on
the lines of, 20,000 "real" or "diehard" fans, 35,000
obnoxious rowdy kids or babies, and about 10,000 senior citizens knitting
blankets and or listening to the game on headphones while sort of watching it.
The U may have a smaller stadium, but from my many experiences at
both stadiums, I think RES has WAY more diehard and real fans of the game there
BYU does a great job of filling that stadium consistently. Utah is improving and
will be a tough ticket with the PAC schools coming to town. Great to
see college football in the state thrive.
For a look at how fickle Utah fans are about supporting their team:1997 6-5 31,6541998 7-4 39,0601999 9-3 39,2492000 4-7
39,1212001 8-4 34,458One losing season and attendance the
following year dropped like rock.In 1998, the Huntsman was averaging
near capacity (15,000) every game. Today, the Utes are lucky if they can get
6,000 actual fans in the stands.Hill has seen how quickly the Utes
desert their team as soon as the Utes start losing.
Econ 101 - supply and demandLES is much larger because there's much
more demandRES is much smaller because there's much less demand
Really surprising numbers from the Utes. I diddn't think they had it in them. I
doubt the Utes attendance after halftime of the TCU game wasn't taken into
consideration for these numbers. Stadium was literally half empty by the middle
of the third quarter(got this from a Ute fan who attended). Wallbanger. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
We should get Mr. Mark it Down to project how many decades it will be before RES
is expanded.Another interesting projection would be how many
centuries it will be before RES capacity exceeds LES capacity.
"Let's not forget that at least 40% of the fans at LES are kids under the
age of ten who do not understand football or even care about it, and are only
there because they have no other choice. This is speaking of many experiences of
being there not opinion."When were you there? You obviously
have not been there recently for you to claim that as fact. I went to every
home game this last year and I can tell you from experience, not opinion, that
the number of kids less than 10 years old do NOT make up 40% of the crowd.
Some, but not nearly as much as 40%.True, there are more youngsters
in the crowd than you will see at other schools (BYU is different, as we all
know; older players on average, more married players, more players that speak
other languages, etc.). If anything, that is just testimony to how
family-friendly the environment at LES is while still being a noisy stadium
that's usually hard for opponents to play at.
and thus far, my prediction has been spot on......does it really
give anyone a greater sense of self esteem to say that your stadium gets filled
up and the other one does not? Do you feel better about yourself because your
stadium is bigger? Is there a sense of self confidence that the other teams
fans are *alegedly* more fickle? If so, you are one cool person,
and I strive to be just like you.
Big benYou were spot on.
BYU certainly does have alot more kids in attendance @ LES, because it is a much
safer and a morally conducive place to take your kids to watch a game, with out
the fear of having to plug their ears from the verbal abuse and drunk people
dis-robing in front of others. Before all you Ute fans starting
crying "holier than than thou, I'm just stating facts. I'd bet that at
least 1/3 of those 45,000 Ute fans after any given game are not in any condition
to drive, just ask Max Hall's family...
Big_BenDoes it improve your self esteem when the Utes are successful
football or basketball?Actually, the arguments are simply
predictable spin from Utah fans who've been beaten to a pulp in the attendance
war for as long as any of them can remember.Your sarcasm
notwithstaning, Utah doesn't have a larger stadium because there's not enough
interest in Utah football to warrant a larger stadium.Obviously,
that's a sore spot with many Utah fans that they fail miserably at trying to
MichiganCoogYou're absolutely correct!I've taken my
grandson to many BYU games at LES without a moment's hestitation.I
would never even consider taking my grandson to a game at RES, even though I've
been to dozens of games at RES, and I'm a Utah grad.
Congrats to all of the Cougar fans who posted here. You win again. I'm bummed
any Ute fans returned the favor.
I'll take a 10-3 record vs. a 7-6 record any day. Also over 100% capacity and
twice as loud as 65K in LES. Sorry little bros. you lose again!!
Oh yeah Burton is still blocking!! ha ha ha ha
Possible Expansion:This is what I found on the expansion - Though there are no immediate plans to expand Rice-Eccles Stadium, the stadium
was built with future expansion in mind. With the recent success of Utah
football, speculation has been fueled about stadium expansion. The University of
Utah plans on expanding Rice-Eccles Stadium to around 55,000 fans by enclosing
the southern end zone and adding an identical press box to the east-side of the
!00.98% of capacity...show the u still can't add or the fire marshall needs to
be called in!
blue and michigan cougI take my children to Utah games all the time,
and it's not a problem. I will say, the worst place I have been treated as a
visiting fan is LES, and I never said anything about BYU or their players or
engaged a BYU fan at all. I also know my car didn't say anything to anyone, but
that didn't keep BYU fans from covering the Utah magnets with loogies.
Dave SSorry, my naive friendat $40 per ticket x 16,000 =
$640,000 + concessionsBYU was the big winner by over a half-millon
in revenue EVERY game this past seasonand every season for the past
30 years.100% of 45,000 is still only 45,000Your 10-3
record wasn't even good enough to finish in the Top 25.A 10+ win BYU
team has NEVER failed to finish in the Top 25, both polls.btw, who
was supposed to be guarding Jimmer?
And yet the tds can't seem to get into a BCS conference or a BCS bowl...btw has the big 12 called yet?
hedgehogWe all know that Utah and Colorado were only invited to join
the PAC 12 as fillers so they could hold a championship game.Despite
all of the platitudes from Scott, the Utes bring very little to the table as far
as overall athletic excellence and fan base.
Weird, I haven't seen Utah fans posting on here for awhile. I thought they were
only fans in the fall...
Well we now know who has a legacy program.BYU has... LES, Marriot
Center, the HDTV Studio, the ESPN Contract, the fan base and the MOMENTUM!
I hate reading these mindless, mean-spirited comments. Go BYU!
BYU has a bigger stadium - no new news there.In the last decade,
Utah has moved their football program to a new level. They routinely sell out
their 45,000 seat stadium. Utah's season attendance has eclipsed their seating
capacity for three years in a row. Is it time for expansion?My
guess is that it will be a few years. I expect the U will wait and see how
competitive Utah is in the Pac 12, and how much ticket demand there is before
they invest tens of millions of dollars into expanding the stadium.I
don't see RES being as large as LES anytime. BYU has a much larger fan-base,
and probably always will.
If you feel like RES isn't a safe place to bring your kids you have some serious
issues. We only focus on the elderly and Max Hall's family. (SARCASM)
The logic of most of the above arguments is really lacking.Utah sold
out their stadium and probably would have had better numbers than BYU this
season if they had a bigger stadium.However, ticket prices are
cheaper for Utah students (free) than for BYU students (Not sure what the price
is up to now, but it was $5.00 ll years ago.)With increased revenue,
the Utes have a top priority to expand the stadium so that ticket prices can
continue to be lower than average for the fans. BYU will not have
the luxury of a guaranteed revenue for the next few years to come, so they need
to keep prices higher than average. Plus they need to pay for their fancy HDTV
filming equipment which is a source of pride for their athletic department
(although it is used by other programs too).Hope the utes stick to
their principles and do not raise ticket prices quicker than the inflation rate.
To: Wallbanger -- You've had too many Wallbangers...WHEN the Utes have their
first .500 season in the PAC12 (next year), RES will be half empty and you'll be
able to hear a pin drop. Have fun with that.
Does anyone remember that LES is bigger than RES? Why would anyone brag about
having more fans attend games when RES can't hold any more seats? I am a Ute and
realize that BYU fans outnumber Utah fans 3 to 1 in this state. The fact that
Utah fans have filled this stadium for the past few years is a great
achievement. It is safe to say that a higher percentage of Utah fans attend
football games than BYU fans. My tickets are going to double in price this year
and I have my name on a waiting list for 4 more tickets. The stadium will be
expanded to over 55,000 over the next five years and it will be filled
especially with teams like Oregon, USC, UCLA coming in on a regular basis. Once
we prove we can fill the stadium, it will expand to over 60,000. It will happen
with all the new revenue that will be coming in over the next 5 years. Football is fun no matter who you cheer for.
RES will expand for sure. They have to pull their share with the other Pac 12
teams. I wonder if they took into consideration that the capacity of LES was
reduced this past year? LES can and should expand as well. Add an upper deck on
the northside and on the corners, fill-in with seats. It can be done. Just need
to fork-out the dough from rich supporters. They will need it if they want to
play with the big boys.
Brettski2024,This guy doesn't have any serious issues neither does
his kids, it is just plain common sense, to not want to expose my kids to the
kind of abuse that only Ute-fans know how to administer...grown adults
conducting themselves like complete idiots who have lost their minds and morals.
This is coming from one BYU football fan that has been to many
games around the country over the years: 2 BYU vs. Notre Dame games in South
Bend Indiana (1994 & 2003), the Michigan vs. Purdue game in the big-house in
2007, the 1981 & 1984 Holiday Bowls, the 1999 Motor City Bowl, the 2001
Liberty Bowl. None of the opposing fans bases have carried on and acted like
what we've heard from Utah fans, specifically after this year's game at RES or
the one in 2008. Yes, BYU fans can be unruly too, but only reacting to the
out-of-control Ute-fans behavior whether BYU or not: Treatment of Max-Hall's
family in '08, the TCU/Utah game this year, when some drunk woman disrobes in
the stands...Will for one will never attend any games @ UTAH for that very
There have been some pretty stupid comments. Frankly, I doubt either team will
do anything soon to either facility. Why? Money. People have forgotten that
RES was given to them by the Olympic movement. LES has been finished since
1981. Neither school has the money to do a major project. The State won't fund
the U and the LDS church won't fund BYU.As far as all the 10-3, 7-6
jabbering goes, both teams were a blocked fg away from a totally different
season. In talking with people, I hear a lot of disappointment from both sides.
BYU wishes they could do their front half over. Ditto for Utah about their 2nd
half.Future big money is still a couple of years away for Utah,
except for a couple of million in TV money next which sort of matches what the
MWC payout would have been.BYU doesn't really know how much their
independent world will generate. Could be really big money next year,
especially if they get 7 home games considering they get to keep what they earn.
No sharing required.The next couple of years are hide and watch for
The utes are filling their stadium these days, that can't be denied. But it does
remain to be seen if their "fans" will still attend in the down years
which are going to occur on occasion.The university of utah is
upgrading their other athletic facilities as well. They just built a very nice
new track (I contracted some of the work) as well as done work on their softball
field and other facilities. I would guess they will continue to do those things
going forward as needed and as they can afford it.But they have to
be concerned about the loyalty of thier fan base. The huntsman center is almost
empty these days and they know that similar results by the football program will
result in similar attendence at res. Until there is a proven attendence record
that shows fans will still show up for mediocre seasons I doubt they will expand
the stadium.But if they can get consistently good winning records I
think the fans will stay and expansion will ultimately happen. But their
"fan" base is tenuous with a reputation for being front runners so
they absolutely have to perform.
Burton is still unblocked, 2 out of 3 years. Go Utes
The mean spirited comments from the Y fans proves how raddled they still are
that despite all their feelings of superiority (we have bigger stadium etc.)
that their team was still not invited to the big boy leagues while their rival
Utah and even TCU were. Face it, when TCU gets the invite and you don't it's
time face the reality you aren't all that and the bag of chips you claim to be.
Maybe a little more reality based humility would help you correct those things
that kept you not only out of the PAC 12 but even the Big Least; I dont hear the
BIG 12 calling either.
My problem is with the photo chosen for this article, namely a photo of a 1/3
full LES, instead of 61,000 who came to the games regardless of the down year
BYU produced.I am sure the photo archives had plenty of other more
noteworthy pictures that depict 61,000 fans. The copywriter is obviously a
Ute.Anyway, both football fans showed support. The basketball attendance
numbers will be quite interesting indeed. Finally, @Duckhunter
"as well as done work on their ......." I'm sorry my friend, but when
you write, "done work" instead of simply "worked," you
project a stereotype of Utah that is a pet-peeve of mine. It's one thing to be a
fan and post comments supporting your Utes, which I can respect. It's quite
another grinding out a sentence that irritates the "oh my hec," out of
The headline says it all:"BYU No. 27, Utes No. 52 in stadium
attendance"BYU not quite Top 25 in a rebuilding yearUtah not quite Top 50 in a supposedly NC contending yearSpin it
however you want, but RES and LES are just about the right sizes to accommodate
the fan interest for each football program in a typical year.
@rainintimeWhen your screen name is an actual misspelling it doesn't
do much to enhance your repuation as a card carrying member of the grammar
police. Not to mention "grammar" smack is lame and only the only
people that engage in it are those that don't have a decent point on the subject
being discussed.Also I am guessing that the ute "fans" on
here are pretty surprised to discover I am now one of them. I'm not really sure
where you got that idea but then it seems you are so focused in on the grammar
that the points being made simply pass you by. Or perhaps you simply lack the
cognitive ability to understand a point when a minor grammatical error is
committed? Next time I write a novel I will spend a little bit more time
checking on my grammar.Signed a 30 year season ticket holder at LES.
@Ducky and Rainintime... Come on can't you byu fans just get along?SwoopNice spin. So what you are saying is that 7-6 is typical for
Nope, utahcountyuteThe typical year for BYU is Top 25 (50% of the
polls since 1977)The typical year for Utah is unranked (only ranked
5 times in their entire history)
"The typical year for BYU is Top 25 (50% of the polls since 1977)"Same could be said about Army.... that's if you asked the question in
1951.Face it, in the BCS era BYU has been a failure. Beating up on
NMS and Tulane doesn't bring national respect. Losing to USU only diminishes
what little relevance the tds had.You have know been demoted from
the kiddy table to the high chair ( e.i lower rung Wac team).Keep it
up and the SWAC will be your new home.
hedgehog"Same could be said about Army.... that's if you asked
the question in 1951."Beating up on Oklahoma, Oregon State,
Oregon, Notre Dame, UCLA... does bring national respect.Getting
humiliated three times in their final 5 games by a WAC, MWC and Notre Dame team
brings national embarrassment.Congratulations, you've been demoted
from MWC contender to PAC 12 bottom dweller.Keep it up and you'll
soon replace Washington State as the laughing stock of the AQ conferences.
Actually,Truth, your argument would be valid if you beat those teams
last year. But getting it handed to you by USU is worst of all
pocyUte2,Why did Utah duck USU altogether last year?
I don't know, why won't Rose play them in Logan?
To wwookie 6:20 a.m.You have no idea that Utah would have sold out
their stadium if it had as many seats as LES.Why does BYU not have
the luxury of guaranteed income the next few years? The ESPN contract kicks in
immediately, and they do not have to share revenue with anyone.The
"fancy" HDTV filming equipment was already paid for by non-athletic
pocyUte2Nice try at misdirection. So Utes DID duck USU
in football last year just when it was their turn to play in Logan. Hmmmmm.BYU played USU in BBall in Logan just last season.Nice try.
Actually, the real reason why utah didn't play USU was because they
had the opportunity to play Notre Dame. No, Utes didn't duck USU,
and to insinuate it is ridiculousYou do realize that last year was
the first time since 2005 that BYU played USU in Logan
In addition, houstonUSU was happy to not play Utah because they were
really trying to get bowl eligible. So they gladly opted out of Utah, but kept
pocyUte2All spin; you know Utah has no intention of ever playing the
Aggies again, especially in Logan.The PAC 12, Utah's new task
master, would never allow it.
pocyUte,And this season was the first time USU played in Provo since 2006,
so it follows the normal rotation with one year off and one year in SLC, so your
insinuations are baseless.Please provide an article reference or
quote showing where Utah dropped USU in favor of Notre Dame, or that USU was
happy about it because they thought it would help their bowl chances.You very well know that if BYU had dropped a USU football game for any reason
that you and certain other Ute fans would be all over it.
Actually truth,no spin about it. In football, utah dropped usu to
play ND, this was done before Utah joined the Pac-12. In bball, I think they
will be able play USU, but I haven't heard whats going to happen. There are a
lot more restrictions with football than bbal--Only 3 ooc games, Pac-12 doesn't
let you play them late in the year (except USC-ND), one of those OOC games is
always going to be BYU, so that leaves 2 left.Like I say, I haven't
heard anything about BBall, but that's how it's breaking down in football.
Houston,You asked for it, you got. From D news July 29,2008:"We are committed to continue our series with Utah long term,"
said USU athletics director Scott Barnes. "Short term, we needed some open
dates in 2010 and 2011 ... We now have the freedom to build a more balanced
schedule that will include six home games every year."
PocyUte2,Well played. Well played indeed.
Thank you, Hedge.
@pocyute"We now have the freedom to build a more balanced
schedule that will include 6 home games every year."So why
wouldn't utah play them at home? If the aggies were simply looking to play more
home games then why wouldn't utah play them there?If I was the
aggies and utah was insisting on the games always being at utah then I would
dump them as well so I could have another home game. Home games are where a
program makes the most money.
Duck,You and Houston have no recollection of the recent past do you.
Follow me here, please:The Utah/USU game for 2010,
which was referenced earlier by Houston, was bumped because of the Utah/Notre
Dame game. Utah needed an open date to play that game, and USU was willing to
opt out because it allowed them the flexibility in their scheduling. Again, I refer you to the article"We are appreciative
that Utah State has agreed to temporarily suspend our annual series," Hill
said.One of the big things that Anderson stressed when he took the
job, was making sure they played 6 home games, and fewer "money"
games. Utah never insisted they play all their football games at home. I don't
know where that one comes from.
Nothing like arguing who has the bigger sandbox. My dad can beat up your dad.
Fans on both sides are pathetic.Kudos to those fans that recognize
how great it is to have good college football in the area.
Not surprised by the results. utes posters trying to justify their existence in
a state/nation and dominated by BYU fans.
You still didn't answer the question pocy and I am sure it is because you have
no answer. If utah state was simply looking for another home game then why
wouldn't utah play them in Logan?
Duck,are you 3 years old. If you read my post I answered it. but let me take you through it step by step so you can understandStep 1. Utah and USU were already scheduled to play in 2010 and
2011.Step 2. The 2010 Utah/USU game was scheduled to be played in
Logan.Step 3. Utah State gave up the games for those 2 years. Utah
did not have buy them out.Step 4. Utah could not play them on the
road in 2011 because their out of conference schedule was already set.Step 5. Utah State was happy to get out of the games because as Anderson said
when he got the job, he wanted to guarantee 6 home games, and schedule a FCS
team each year to make the path to bowl eligibility easier. Getting out of the
2011 game allowed them to swap a road game for a home game with a much easier
opponent.Step 6. Now do what Cougar in Texas did and stop posting
yourself into a bigger hole.
The Utes should expand to at least 60k+. If the Utes are going to spend the
money to expand they might as well add a significant amount to prepare for
future growth. SLC is only getting bigger and Utah's program is on the rise. BYU is in the same boat. They should look at adding to exceed 80k+.
@ Utes FanHummmm, to much snow in the driveway?
Let's not forget that BYU lost seating due to the increased handicap seating.
They need to fill in the corners of the stadium and that could proably give the
stadium another 10,000 seats.
Had Utah played in Logan, they probably would have creamed us. Sorry Cougars,
the Utes have a better program. And Norm Chow as an addition will make them
compete very well.
>>>Just the FAX You do realize that the stadium capacity
for the years you posted 1997-2001 was 35,000 and that in 2001 work was being
done on the stadium to expand it to 45,000 for the Olympics.Also,
Utah's lowest turnout this year in basketball is 7293 against Montana, so where
did you get your "lucky to get 6,000" from?I also want to
congratulate Utah State for a second year in row coming in above the FBS minimum
of 15,000. I am glad you got that monkey off your back.
To pocyUte2Thanks for the references. Still missing is
to back up your assertion that USU was happy to not play Utah because they were
trying to get bowl eligible. The only USU quote in that article is that they
were trying to get to six home games every year. Will the series
still continue in 2012?So, why was your first response an attempt at
misdirection? Quote: "I don't know (why Utah did not play USU), why won't
Rose play them in Logan?" Obviously, you didn't even know, and you posted
yourself "into a bigger hole" (that you've since conveniently
ingnored) by then accusing Rose of not playing USU in Logan, an accusation that
I've totally refuted.Was it worth it, getting worked on national TV
by a then 4-5 Notre Dame team that was coming off home losses to Navy and Tulsa?
DixieAggie You may be right on both counts.However,
Chow's last visit to Provo as an OC for UCLA resulted in a 59-0 shellacking;
UCLA's worst loss in over 80 years.
Cougar in Texas,How does one game against BYU say anything about the
value of Norm Chow? Your logic is questionable. Let's get real. BYU will have
a good program after they realize that independence was a foolish choice.
DixieAggie I think shutting out Chow's PAC-10 offense is at least if
not more relevant than your simple opinion that his addition to the Utah staff
"will make them compete very well". Where is the "logic" in
that?BYU already has a "good program" pre-independence,
and will continue to have one. What is your "logic" for saying
independence was a foolish choice? That is your opinion, just like most
everything anyone says in these comments, and I disagree with it.