Still a very dumb idea.
Mr. John Michigan duder,Utah State University basketball draws big
crowds. Nearly every student wants to go, and we get lines for a few of the
games. The demand is there, we just have a financially efficient university
that makes it possible for students to go to basketball games without paying
extra for tickets.
Here's my two cents.I am in the band (to those complaining about the
band playing during ref announcements, know that the band director is very
careful to only play when appropriate, especially considering NCAA heavily
regulates when we can play or not and we can be fined $1000), so this topic
interests me. I admit that a sideline seat would be better than our posiiton in
the north stands, but I got used to seeing it from the endzone.As
far as separated sections, I would imagine that it makes the environment louder,
but I don't know for sure. I think it is noticable if all the noise comes from
one section of the stadium as opposed to a surround sound feel.And
to add to the little class size debate, this is my second semester here, and
I've only had one 100+ student classes (besides marching band), and a couple
50-student class sizes, with the rest being about 15-20 people. Of course, your
major makes a difference (for example, math majors would have larger clases than
music performance majors). I would say all my professors care about all of us.
@Rock of the Marne 9:19pm.Is 100% of 45,017 seats more than 95% of
64,045?Nope, the answer is 60,842 is still a third more than the U's
Class with fewer than 10 students? When did you attend BYU John Pack Lambert?
And what class were you in? I once had a class with 20. Other than that never
less than 40. I'll give you that some professors care because they do but the
Psychology department could use some work.They are just sending the
wrong message to the students. The message is "You are not good enough to
sit on the sideline". Sure you can see the game from anywhere
and its still great, but I would say those of you who don't think this is a big
deal have never sat on the sidelines down low. It's an amazing experience and
students deserve to have the chance to be there!!Yes I'm entitled.
Students DESERVE the chance to sit behind the bench.
Kyle, I only ever had one professor at BYU who I would say did not care.
Even my first semester as a freshman I was in a class with fewer than 10
students. So your claim about the classes all being over-sized is just not
true.Maybe I am just not a big enough football fan, but I never
minded the top seats. You go to the game for the atmosphere of cheering on the
team and the comraderie. Having a good view of the game is not part of the
just-a-fan, What babysitter? Everyone else is at the game too. Anyway,
these college students probably can not afford a babysitter. It is totally
beyond the budget. This may lead to questions of how they can afford football
tickets, but oh well. I know University of Michigan students have
to pay for game tickets. On the other hand us Eastern Michigan University
students can go to our football games for free and they rafle out prizes too.
We just broke an 18-game loosing streak. This may relate to why USU
lets students in for free and BYU does not. Draw your own conclusions.
Tuition is what you pay to get and education, not to get into a game. To think that the camera crews are so stupid that they would not show the
student section, regardless of where it is is not very intelliigent thinking.I agree, get rid of all the those who pay the money to buy season
tickets and let the students sit in the prime seats and see what happens to the
football program? Money is part of what makes this program great. Without it
we become irrelevant.I never felt like I was cheated, regardless of
where I sat in the stands as a student. Just glad to be there. I
recommend all the students sit together and make it one loud horrendous noise
for the visiting team. While you are at it how about building seats
in the corners to add another 10-15,000 seats. When you sit in the
end zones you can see what is happening on the field. Been there and it was
great to see the holes open up on the running game.
Duckhunter "utah and usu give away tickets because they have to. BYU on the
other hand does not have to do that. Usually there aren't enough tickets for
everyone that is willing to pay." I know for a fact many Utah season
ticket holders were not able to renew this year due to demand. All games have
been sold out (paying customers) for years; nice try though. On the other hand
I do know that there were some BYU games this year that were not sold out.
Money, students standing together not blocking the view for others, 15,000
unified voices, all are good reasons. The Southeast end zone area is a good
seat and the students will do well there. I hope they move the band to the
Southend zone. I suspect they will. What hasn't been talked about much is that
BYU may have 7 home games years in the near future. Their own TV rights, an
extra home game, not needing to share bowl revenue, additionl money from prime
seat locations. All good indications of a thriving program.
Please excuse the horrible grammar in my last post. I guess I should learn to
proofread.I don't mean to sound like a bitter graduate, but I think
BYU pretends to be something it isn't at times. Hey what matters most is that
there is a place for Mormons to meet other Mormons and get married right?At least the MC has general admission so the most dedicated fans get the
best seats in the student section. Maybe if they made the student section at the
football game the same way I'd be ok with that. Seats according to seniority
aren't a bad idea. Maybe just not giving tickets to super seniors would get them
When I was a freshman in 2004 the all sports pass was around $90 this year they
went for around $130. The last two years they started letting students buy up to
3 guest passes for $150 dollars but all that did was let in a bunch of parents
and other people who clearly did not belong in the student section. It drove me
insane to have old people who didn't want to stand up in the "student
section" In 4 years I had good tickets on the sideline once.
Twice I had good tickets in the end zone. The rest were all over 20 rows up. It
sounds like it will only get worse. I hope the extra money is worth
taking away some great memories from the students. Most of their classes are
huge with professors who couldn't care less why make students feel important at
sporting events when they don't make them feel important at any other time.Its all about the Benjamin's. Its sad when even BYU acts like that.
Muss Envy?I guess I just miss the Ute Logic. Was the
UofU the first school to form a "student section"?I think
the U of U fanbase really believes that the U invented football in the year
2003, and everything that happened before that... didn't.===Give the students free tickets, and just raise tuition...One way
or another, they will be paying for ticks...It's college, part of
your education in life.TINSTAAFL.
If you want to sit and watch the game stay home and do it from your couch
Let the kids in for free!Never understood why a school that clearly
does not need the money, would not allow their students into the games for free.
I mean, with this massive contract with ESPN, they can certainly
afford to do it now, right? Nah, it looks like they are going to push the
students to the endzone seats to make more money. Interesting
Re: Just MeI have no idea what you just said and no I don't want any
of your fake products. But. . .Ok, having a student section probably
has SOMETHING to do with money, a little bit.Happy?Going
Independent was never about money even though there will be more of it. It was
about making it possible to even watch BYU play in more than just Utah and the
states bordering it. In the same way an actual student section isn't
about more money necessarily even though it might increase revenue. It is about
enhancing the experience for the fans and creating an exciting atmosphere. MONEY
is what the by-product of that is. I just get sick and tired of everyone having
the mindset that everything is money driven because that's not at all true. I
also get tired of it because a lot of the obsession over it because a lot of
society's problems exist because of it. Maybe I'm off base but. .
.my comment has 6 recommendations, how many does yours have? So what I said
before seems to make sense to more people than just me.
One of my biggest beefs when I was at the Y was our student section. We have
been doing the same cheers over and over for who knows how long. I doubt just
one section will do it--the Marriott center has a united section and we still
aren't very creative--but maybe it will help.
Speaking of stadium seating, why do both the U and Y put their own teams on the
east side of the stadium, looking into the hot sun on early fall days. Why not
switch the team sidelines and put the opposing teams in the sun and against the
louder side of the stadiums?
What ever BYU does, I hope they put the band with the students. I'm sick of
being by the band playing pop corn popping, while the referee is announcing a
call on a penalty or replay!!! I actually think a consolidated student section
is a good thing. It makes sense to put them together. The north end zone can
stand on its own. Its the side line seats where the non-cheering fans sit. I've
set in the north for years, and it is loud in our section. We end up standing
about half the game too. Just get the band away from my section. They set in
the section right next to mine, and I'm about 6 rows below them & they drive
Duckhunter,That makes a lot of sense. I guess U of U and USU
students have better things to do with their time. J/K.
Makes sense to me. Get the student sections all together for a better experence
and more support. The relatively small MUSS was created because they saw student
sections at BYU and other schools and copied them. BYU will now make some minor
changes, charge a fee to their students, and the MUSS will be looking at a
student group 3-4 times as large as the one Utah can create by letting people in
for free. BYU stadium holds 30,000 more people than the TUN and they still have
to turn some away. The envy will be coming from a little farther north I think.
@dixieaggieutah and usu give away tickets because they have to. BYU
on the otherhand does not have to do that. Usually there aren't enough tickets
for everyone that is willing to pay.Fortunately they make it
affordable to students but there is no need to give something away that you can
I was a student, have memories of sitting up front where it looked like the pass
from Giff, Wilson, McMahon, Young was coming right to me (BS and Masters). Of
course, moe often than not I was sitting on the nosebleeds... Rotating sections
and nostalgia -- not all they are cracked up to be.
When the U of U sent surveys out on how to fill the football stadium, I had one
simple answer. Just start winning games. I was quickly cut down for that remark.
They wanted ideas of offering scholarships, giving t-shirts away, giving food
away etc. Again, I said the only thing you need to do to fill the stadium is to
start winning.I kinda miss the days when I could walk in, not have
my ticket checked sit down in the front row on the 50 yard line and watch a
game.Now it's trendy and popular to show up with a winning team.
Turns out I was right. Now they have several layers of security to keep people
out. Amazingly they can't seem to keep the alcohol out of the stadium. Again,
it's just trendy for those people to be there. If we want to get rid of them,
start losing games. They'll find some other trendy thing to do, then I'll have
the stadium to myself again.
Ha! The most insulting thing about all of this must be to have the athletic
department suits trying to convince students that it's a good thing and really
all about "enhancing the spirit and unity of the game" and inspiring
the football team...cough, cough, bs.I think a little honesty would
be refreshing here.
dixieaggie:Students pay this thing called Tuition and FEES. Not Tuition
and free tickets to games. muss envy, hardly. How can you call yourself
"mighty" when there more of the opposing teams fans in your section?
@Janell...it's a tradition...probably from Texas. The Aggies of A&M
most likely. They used to actually pick a student 12th player a week or two
before each Home Game and have him practice with the team. Then on Game Day he
would dress in full pads and uniform...and if he had demonstraded Athletic
abilities they sometimes (...but rarely...) actually allowed him a play or two
in that week's game with guided instruction as to what to do. Usually on a
Kickoff or a Return. After all it isn't Rocket Science out there. The crowd is considered the 12th player on the field. And since the students
represent that 12th Player then they are on their feet just as if they were on
the field. That's why they should all be together and not spread throughout the
stadium. It would be an even greater mistake... to put them in a Corner. The
worst possible choice... Keep them up front midsection where the cameras will
be...and let them play their part. They can still be monitored and the bad ones
removed as always... but it will make the game a lot more interesting.
Geezer memoriesI was a freshman at the U in 1969. All a student had
to do to get into the stadium (or the brand-new Special Events Center [now
Huntsman]) was to show your ID card, walk in, and take a seat in the student
section, first come-first served. The seats were good, and so was the football
team in that era. I also got to see the first game ever played in the Huntsman -
a squeaker win against Stanford with a little help from the refs. But that was a
great team, with Newlin and Gardner. I'm a BYU guy now, but went to
the "sold-out" Oregon State game last year at RES as a guest of a
relative. I even wore red! The upper southeast corner of the stadium was a sea
of empty benches dotted with, what were they, MUSS guys? They didn't seem very
mighty. Lots of middle fingers, F-bombs and other obscenities, many of them
directed at the U's own players and coaching staff.My how times have
I feel that the whole east side should be student seating, not tucked away in
the corner, especially since the games will be shown nationally. I mean, when
the camera pans to the cheering student's, are they going to focus on the end
zone on the other side of the field, while the good seats are taken by older,
more sedate people who remain seated discussing the finer points of the game?
That's gonna look good seeing how the Y treats it's students.It would also
solve the annoying problem of trying to watch the game while all about me,
students are standing up the whole game...FOR NO APPARENT REASON. I can't tell
you how annoying it is to try to watch the game, but the younger students
refused to sit down, so you can't see. I swear, it's the only example of
selfishness that I saw the whole time I was at BYU. Can someone please
explain to me why the students refuse to sit down for the WHOLE game? Please?
They need to do something down there. Max Halls senior year they had college
game day there for the TCU game, They were showing the fans through out the
first quarter(after that they had nothing to cheer about). The fans were all
sitting there, no excitement, no screaming, just a bunch of older people sitting
in their seats, not even looking like they wanted to be there, the atmosphere in
that stadium is so boring, they need to liven it up so that it feels like a
college football game, I think they need to put the student section right behind
the players bench so that they can feed off of them.
RE: COugar Claws"absolutely NOTHING to do with money"Could I interest you in some Malaluca or perhaps the chance to save AND
make money by buying products you use every day from yourself and your friends
and your friends friends.....HAHAHAHAHANothing to do
with money.THat was a good one!!!
Can't agree more that a more unified student section would enhance the game
experience, but for that to be effective, the students need to be in the middle
of the game and not relegated to the endzones.As a BYU student 20
years ago, I still remember watching Marshall Faulk play at LES from the 45 yard
line, and having tickets on the 15th row for Notre Dame's first visit.
Priceless memories (although both games were not wins for the Cougars).I've returned for a few games since I graduated, and must admit that it is
frustrating to only be able to get tickets in the upper West or upper end zone,
but it only makes me cherish those college days even more.This will
only work if the students are in the middle of the action and not relegated to a
corner of the stadium.
Pull them all from the endzones and put them all on the east side like it was
years ago before the expansions to the stadium. They deserve to be together
near the center. If you want to reserve ...say the first 10 lower rows along
the entire east middle front for higher paying fans then do the necessary
fixture reconstruction modifications that will clearly separate and distinguish
that section from the students. But at least be up front about it. Money is
obviously the bottom line. This stadium is growing obsolete anyways.ScoobieHLM Class of 81
I was a student when we were seated in the center of the east side of the
stadium. I totally support a student section in those good seats again. That's
why college football is so great, because of students. Put them center stage,
where they'll be best seen and heard by the team, and the cameras, and us blue
hair fans.GO COUGARS!PS--I think initially the U gave
free tickets to their students to get them out. And I think there are some
service obligations for members of MUSS in exchange for the privelege. BYU
doesn't really need such incentives. These things happen anyway. And BTW, revenues are not evil. They build the program.
This is a financial decision. Period. If it results in "a more unified
student section" or a "louder student section" those will simply
be by-products of the decision to make more good seats available to the paying
public. I am a BYU alum but I wish the school would just tell it
like it is instead of trying to obfuscate the obvious.
Can't wait 'til they name it...given the track record it should be a good belly
laugh. I vote for "the litter box!"
It will be good to have the students all together. They are more animated than
older groups who (sadly) get annoyed at the constant standing up. BUT ... can't
we give them better seats than that?It makes me sad. As a freshman,
I got to sit on the 50 yard line for BYU/Miami in 1990. They will surely miss
out on that kind of incredible experience.
There is a nominal fee to join the MUSS. The benefits of membership include a
tail-gate meal before every game (not PB&J sandwiches prepared by the Cannon
Center), priority seating based on student seniority, and a t-shirt. It is one
of the best deals in all of College Football. We all know how Cougar fans like
a deal, right?
Agree with Regis...nothing but MUSS envy.
dixieaggie:that is because u and usu couldn't get their students to buy
tickets, thus empty sectins in small arenas and stadiums
regis,15,000 at the u is 1/3 the stadium size. sounds like stadium size
It took a Penn State experience to figure this out? Havent' you guys played SC,
UCLA and others (The U) that demonstrate the strength of student section
Oh and on the MUSS. Where was the MUSS 10 years ago? Oh, that's right, waiting
for basketball season. Hmmm, come to think about it...where are the Utah
basketball fans...oh, waiting for football season. At least fans of the Red
Rocks are real fans. And MUSS envy? Really? Only thing this BYU fan has envied
is your BCS trips and I don't mind admitting it.
Having attended several universities with unified sections and watched many
games in stadiums with such- please ohhh please do this and get BYU into at
least the 20th century with its student body- but I am sure it will take several
more years of study and then some comeplling reason like riots will be used to
not do it- unless of course it will generate more revenue then it will be done
yesterday- ohhh it will- done then
One problem I see here is the the students who for some reason insist on
bringing their babies to football games. It is funny (OK, in a terrible twisted
way) to see these babies freak out when the canon goes off. Imagine when these
parents want to bring their week old baby to a game surround by loud students?
Sorry, I just really don't understand bring babies to college football games
when it's 100 degrees outside. Get a babysitter.
In my mind this has absolutely NOTHING to do with money. WHY has it taken 20+
years for BYU to FINALLY figure this out? I have been a season ticket holder now
for the past 5 years and I am about to graduate. I would have KILLED to have a
chance to be in a 15,000-20,000+ seat student section so that I could be part of
the fun college student atmosphere of having a student section during college
football games. This is about the kids for crying out loud! We only get to be
students once, and we're sick and tired of putting up with subsidizing the old
rich people's tickets with our loan dollars only to sit in sections where they
complain about you cheering too loud and having too much fun. This is FOOTBALL,
not church! If you want peace and quiet, watch the games from your living room
and play classical music in the background. If you are concerned about being too
quiet, well WHOSE FAULT IS THAT? We don't control how loud you cheer, YOU DO. So
for heavens sakes, let the kids have fun! Not EVERYTHING is about money.
MUSS envy? Maybe BYU should break up the students even more and have 4 sections
each bigger than the MUSS.
This is about money, pure and simple.
Wrap it any way you want...The bottom line is:MONEY.Sad commentary on the state of college athletics in general.
The entire lower portion of the east stands should be the student section. They
are there watching student athletes watching their college team while they
attend the university. They actually pay for their tickets and are responsible
for a larger group of students at the games than the other college teams in the
state. They deserve good seat that will allow them to make noise across all 100
yards of the football field.
Part of the reason LES is so loud is because the students are given nose bleeds
and they go pack their way in next to their friends who have better rotated
seats. When alumni come to get their seats, they just simply pretend like they
are in the right spot.If you should all of them in one corner, less
students will be able to pull this stunt off and less students will come to the
Please do it. Every other football team in the country does it and I've never
understood why BYU doesn't do it.
Hmmm how many times have they played at Rice-Eccles? Haven't they noticed the
MUSS section? or the FUSS section? Or most any other school they have played
at....this one took awhile for them to get.Maybe their theme for
this year will be, "Quest for a student section". Something catchy
Why do BYU students have to pay to attend their football games? The Utah State
University and the University of Utah allow their students one free ticket to
every home football game. Weird.
Here's a thought - kick the blue hairs out of the lower sideline seats and put
the students there. The blue hairs can watch from the corner end zone seats...
Unified (baloney) student section at LES?...bad idea, Bad Idea, BAD IDEA. I'm an
alum, and my opinion is sincere. This is obviously a plan to make more money
from otherwise "good seats". LES is an intimidating, LOUD venue and
it's because the students are spread around. Besides, come on, the students
deserve great seats now and then. Student packets only seat students in amazing
spots maybe once a season anyway. Rotating seats is fair, while stuffing all
students into a corner for every game isn't fair. (that's how we treat the utes)
After all, IT'S THEIR TIME at BYU. There are bound to be better ways to increase
revinue...so please, from an alum, don't steal the college experience from the
students by shoving them to the side so more money can be made from seats the
students deserve! (And, it's not true that most students don't care about where
they sit!) Independence is gonna be amazing...the experience for the students
has to be amazing too...not just for those with the bucks, who also sit on their
hands at games and never cheer anyway.
I think it is a great idea to seat the students together. I have attended games
and sat with our BYU students. I don't like to stand all the time, but the kids
do; so let them all sit together and cheer the way they would like to. I just
think that the students out to get some good seats and not be stuck in a corner
where they can't even see what is going on. Our daughter is a major football
fan. She pays attention to the game and would not be happy sitting where she
couldn't even see it. I think that is a shaft to the students.
A consolidated student section is a great idea and one that will produce an
awesome cheering section like we see and hear at the Marriott Center.As was pointed out by a previous poster, it's better not to mix the students,
who prefer to stand the entire game, and the season ticket holders, who prefer
to sit most of the game.That's not a knock on either group; it's
just the way it is.
Stop Mulling and Start DOING! This has been an issue for years. How complicated
is it? The students (my two kids included) HATE going to games and sitting by
families and blue hairs who want to sit and applaud politely on occasion. This
goes for FB and Basketball. As is I can at least join the students and stand the
whole game but I'd sacrifice that if the kids could have a solid expectation of
decent seats among other students. (Class of '84 and spoiled by the old Card
Stunt section seats)
What he needs to do is go to Texas A & M. They know how to have a stadium.
That is one of the coolest places I've ever seen in my life. What a great
feeling in that place. We need to change the culture in general at that place,
make it more unified, and tell that band director to stop playing such lame
songs like Star Wars.
"We travel to a lot of away games and the Arizona student section was
awesome"And that has helped them become a national power...
One problem with mixing the non-student, older game patrons is that the students
tend to stand for a lot of games, especially if the score is close. That
doesn't bode well for full-price ticket holders who want to see and don't want
to stand. This isn't a diss on the students, it just doesn't do well to mix
them for that reason.
We travel to a lot of away games and the Arizona student section was awesome.
The students gather outside of the stadium and walk in as a group which was
really powerful. They all sit on the eastside of the stadium along the whole
front behind the bench and down low. They made a very strong part of the game
experience.I have seen the student section at BYU moved to make money and
thought it was a mistake. As a 30 year season ticket holder I would rather see
the students all put down in front on the East side again. It's embarassing to
see the empty hole where the "rich folk" sit before kick off and at
the half.As for the MUSS at the U, it's not envy. Utah had no one in the
stadium in those sections when Utah decided to move thier students there. They
took the students out of the Endzone and it was to their benefit. Each school
should do what they should to make what money they can realizing the budgets
they have to maintain and keep the student experience as positive as possible.
For those of us who sit in those sections and have for a LONG time, we think it
stinks. It is a money making scheme by the university. Maybe I don't need
football tickets! P.s. AND it isn't going to be like the muss. BYU
students have to PAY for their tickets unlike the muss who gets in free!
Regardless of what they do, BYUs stadium is bigger and louder than Urs (The
incorrect spelling is intentional).
Locating the students in just one area is a mistake. When I was at the Y,
student season ticket packages included seats that rotated from endzone to east
stands to endzone, with the west stands the only spot that didn't have any
student seating. Having students all over the stadium is better, because you
have pockets of intense cheering from all over the place. Older fans, for the
most part, aren't as vocal. I certainly no longer am as vocal as I was when I
was a student. Keep them spread out. It will be better that way.But, as Florwood pointed out, it's all about getting more money for those
seats closer to the field. I guess they don't want students to have the
experience I once had of sitting on about the 40 a few rows back from the Cougar
bench. We had as much fun watching the medical staff do in-game treatment than
we did watching the game. Too bad they are trying to take that kind of thing
away from the students.
Sounds like BYU is doing what almost every big time college does. Hate to brake
it to you, but the MUSS isn't the only student section out there. BYU is makin
a ton of changes next year, and I think this is a great change as well. It will
make the games much louder and better. And as for them being terrible seats -
yes, they are, but honestly most students really don't care about where their
seats are. They are just there for the environment and to cheer on the 2011-12
National Champions! (just kiddin but a man can dream)
Sounds like a plan to create MUSS envy.
Muss Envy?BYU has had 15000-20000 students at every game for 30
years.You have the muss which is great, but is still only about 25%
of what BYU draws.They just have not had them in the same
section.BYU has 4 sections that equal the 1 total muss section.Where is your mighty muss for basketball?boy it will be
great to put Utah in our rear view mirror.good riddance
Why don't they just move the student section out of the stadium and seat them at
the Marriott Center for the football games. Since I was a student there the
student section was moved from the east stands, which were pretty good seats, to
the end zones where you got to see half of a game and now they want to tuck them
up in a corner.I suppose students don't pay enough to have a seat at
There's only one reason that BYU would make this change, and it's not to get
students closer to the tunnel. It's to get students out of the expensive lower
seats in the east stadium, so they can be sold to Cougar Clubbers and others at
premium prices. No judgment here, just cold hard fact and cold hard cash.
Sounds like MUSS envy.