@dutchmanI'm not buying your "I have a masters degree from
BYU" assertion. Anyone still using a vcr is obviously a utah grad. LOL
Veritas Aequitas,That's funny. First BYU fans tried to discredit
Utah's academic standing now it is athletic prowess. Which is it? I guess with
you it is both and so the only reason Utah got the invite was for a 12th team.
If you want to believe that this is a free country. I have a masters degree
from BYU and I am proud of it. I hope your degree is from somewhere else
because you make no sense. I guess I could accept the idea that the PAC 10
Presidents invited Colorado and Utah based solely on academic credentials since
Colorado's athletic prowess is worse than Utah's otherwise they would have
taken Boise St and TCU just for the athletics. Did I confuse you? Anyway, the
Wednesday night thing was meant to be funny but I find most BYU fans have no
sense of humor. Please tell me how many of your games are ending up on ESPN U
and how many homes will be reached. I want to set my VCR.
Oh yeah?... Well my dad can beat up your dad.You people are
hilarious. Whatever makes you sleep at night.
Dutchman | 1:46 p.m. Jan. 8, 2011 Murray, UTUmmm... Did you
read my post. My post is exactly what I said. Now, if you want to
put words in my mout, feel free.If you are having problems
understand me, I will repeat it.Larry Scott was disingenuous when he
claimed that the UofU was invited to the PAC, citing "athletic
prowess". They needed 12 teams for the conference championship game.Utah took home on mid-major MWC championship in women's tennis last
year.I do not consider that to be "athletic prowess"...I hope that is clear enough for you.Tell me more about the
Wednesday night games that don't exist.@ethanham | 9:57 a.m. and
9:59 a.m.I understand why Oregon is not in the Rose Bowl. I am just
curious why the PAC was not deep enough to send a different team?
Veritas Aequitas Sometimes my tongue in cheek humor is a little deep.
With players from both Oregon St and USC abandoning the Pac 12 scholarships to
walk on at BYU I was implying that maybe affiliation with a conference that
loses bowl games more than it wins isn't so great as some people make it out to
be.Sorry for confusing you.
So, are you calling Larry Scott a liar?===I would prefer the word
disingenuous..."not straightforward or candid; giving a false
appearance of frankness."This is incredible!! So, you are
saying that Larry Scott and Tom Hanson before him, because the plan to bring
Colorado and Utah into the PAC 10 started back in 2004 when Tom Hanson was
Commissioner, were both and it would require both men under your theory
conspired to falsify and deliberately be disingenuous with information about
Utah before all 10 Presidents of the PAC 10 including such prestigious
institutions as Washington, Cal, Stanford, UCLA and USC in order to convince
them to invite Utah into the PAC 10 just to pick up a 12th member in order to
hold a championship game. Remember, it is the Presidents who make the decision
not Larry Scott or Tom Hanson. Incredible theory! Do you believe also that
9/11 was an inside government job? I know BYU fans love to spin it your way but
Utah got the invite based on merits.Also, the PAC 12 network will be
national just like the Big 10 network is national. BYU = ESPNU, 35 million
Utah fans out in force yet again. Mr. Matthews chose BYU because he wanted to go
there, enough said. If the PAC12 is as glorious as all Utah fans seem to think
it is, why didn't Matthews chose Utah over BYU? Well, could it be that he saw a
lot more promise for success and notoriety w/ BYU? Perhaps, and could it have
been that he looked at Utah's joining of the PAC12, as: "What has that done
for Arizona State or Arizona over the past 32 years? Apparently not much at
all...neither has it done much for Washington State or Oregon State either as
having been members for decades. Just because a team is in a bigger
conference, does not guarantee anything...performance on the field, an on a
National stage does. Outside of Utah's 2 BCS bowl appearances, and their 2008
victories over TCU and BYU, what else have they done in their short 7 years of
notoriety made them a program that players simply cannot resist coming to? Not
much if you ask me...perhaps that is why BYU continues to be a better
draw...TRADITION that last 30 years or longer!
@ Veritas Aequitas,Let me just make you aware of something. your
comment: "OK, let's all get together and name the teams from the PAC in the
Rose Bowl and Vegas Bowl this year."The PAC-10 plays in the
rose bowl, except when its conference winning team is playing in the National
Championship game. So the PAC-10 gave up its seat at the Rose Bowl to take its
seat at the NC. Oh and I'm not a Ute fan or Cougar fan. My
loyalties are outside this state. Just wanted to make sure you understood why
there was no team from the PAC-10 in the Rose Bowl this year.
This article isn't about BYU or Utah, it is about Matthews. Quit trying to turn
it into "my dad can beat up your dad."
@DutchmanYou are so ill informed, aka Ignorant.Do some
research before you embarass yourself even further.The ESPN contract
with BYU, stipulates, that there can be Saturday, Friday or Thursday night
games, only. No Wednesdays, Tuesdays, or other nonsense you try to
promote.Utah will "NOT" receive "Full Funding"
with the Pac 12 until 2015. Read and learn son, read and learn.Colorado has a better package than does Utah. Enjoy your 2 million next year,
while BYU receives 10-12 million out the chute.Also remember, that
"Every" BYU game, Basketball and Football, is on NATIONAL TV. RECRUITS
NOTICE!Even after the Pac does it's new TV deal, it will not be
putting Utah on every week.Also, Utah and Colorado and other schools
will have equal sharing...Only, if the New Contract exceeds 170
million.You see Dutch, BYU already owns it's "Brand and
LEGACY". BYU does not pine for the day, when they will have a
Heisman, Outlands, Davey Obrien's, National Championship, College Hall of
Famers, Super Bowl MVP's etc. Been there, Done that.Utah? Still WaitingTherefore, ESPN is willing to pay
"MILLIONS" to BYU, while Utah begs for Scraps.
Just relax and have fun. Watch other guys how they do their stuff so you can
bring in new stuff when playing for BYU.
@Veritas Aequitas: "Gee, I'm missing something here. What PAC-10 team
played in the Rose Bowl, or the NC this year?"Oregon
"SLCWatch | 6:14 p.m. Jan. 7, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT Why wouldn't they want to stay in the Pac 12 and go to..."===Come on and say it... The Rose Bowl and the Vegas Bowl!!!OK,
let's all get together and name the teams from the PAC in the Rose Bowl and
Vegas Bowl this year...Let's see...Ummmmmmmmm....OK, the MWC, a mid-major represented and won the Rose Bowl, and the WAC
represented and won the Vegas Bowl...Not naming any teams (OK, a
hint... Utah lost the Vegas Bowl to the Wac).Otherwise, all those
four star recruits are rushing to the hill...(Ya gotta love it when
arrogant predictions fall silent in the woods when there is no one around to
hear them... Go DutchMan, and all of your disingenuous statements).Enjoy your Wednesday nights, babe!!!
Hey but hold up there. The flood of recruits and players going to the Pac 12 is
draining BYU. I even heard Mendenhall is interviewing the line of them...oh
wait, they're all coming to (as in towards, to enter, to join) BYU from USC and
Oregon St. and they are walking on to do it! Why wouldn't they want to
stay in the Pac 12 and go to...Oh, Never mind
Dutchman | 1:59 p.m. Jan. 7, 2011 Murray, UT "But by then
Utahs roster will probably be filled with 4 star recruits."Yep,
Utah has been deluged by 4 star recuits since they announced their affiliation
with the PAC. How do we even keep count of all of them?I've noticed this is so commonplace at the U now, the local newspapers don't
even report them.Enjoy watching BYU games on Wednesday night. I'll
have to let you do that on your own, though, because I choose to watch them
live.Maybe you can help me find the "one" Friday game. The
rest seem to all be on Saturdays... 2011 BYU Football ScheduleSept. 3 at Ole MissSept. 10 at TexasSept. 17 Utah Sept.
23 Central FloridaSept. 30 Utah StateOct. 8 San Jose StateOct. 15 at Oregon StateOct. 22 Idaho StateOct. 29 ByeNov. 5 at Louisiana TechNov. 12 IdahoNov. 19 New Mexico
StateNov. 26 ByeDec. 3 at HawaiiIt's OK, you can be
honest with us. There are no Wednesday games, are there...
@dutchmanLOL at the "full of 4 star recruits" assertion. I
haven't heard of them getting a single one yet for next months signing day.
Considering the pac10 deal was announced last summer it would seem they had
plenty of time to get the word out. Add that Earth shattering and
course of college athletics changing announcement to the already nation wide
acclaim and adoration that all people, schools and conferences already had for
the utes and it just doesn't seem like they wouldn't be loaded down with every
recruit of note from Texas on west.I just don't understand this, it
is definately perplexing.
Dutchman | 2:59 p.m. Jan. 7, 2011 Murray, UT "The PAC needed 12
teams, and Utah was body #12, not because of the "athletic prowness"
Larry Scott spoke of, the size of the stadium, or the TV market, but because
they needed a 12th body."So, are you calling Larry Scott a
liar?===I would prefer the word disingenuous..."not
straightforward or candid; giving a false appearance of frankness."If you want to use the word liar, it's your choice. I don't see how
pointing a disingenous statement has anything to do with morals. I think
claiming "Wednesday Night Football" is disingenous also. (That might
be a moral issue.)But, hey, you tell me, look at the basketball
team, look at the mid-major MWC school that picked up just "one" MWC
championship and tell me if you believe that shows "athletic
prowess"...The kid was smart to choose BYU. And no, I don't
see Utah's roster being full of four star recruits, and I haven't seen anything
to make me think that will happen.Have you?
"The PAC needed 12 teams, and Utah was body #12, not because of the
"athletic prowness" Larry Scott spoke of, the size of the stadium, or
the TV market, but because they needed a 12th body."So, are you
calling Larry Scott a liar? I thought BYU fans were taught better morals. At
least you seem to put yourselves above everyone else. Anyway, I will take Larry
Scott's word over yours. He seems to be a man of principle.I notice
you didn't disagree with my contention that Utah will now fill its roster with 4
star recruits. I am sure all those Chinese TV viewers watching BYU football
don't know the difference between 2 and 4 star recruits so it shouldn't affect
the TV ratings much if anyone happens to be watching.
Think you have Utah's cross country schedule confused with BYU football. Exactly how many of BYU's games will be on Wed next year? ZERO. They
have a couple friday night games, because BYU asked for it due to GC and
something else with UCF. Other than that, it's all Saturdays.I
doubt you'd be watching sportscenter on Wed evenings anyway. Thats when you
watch looney tunes.
@Dutchman"But if it is anything like the deal FOX broadcast channels
announced yesterday to televise the PAC 12 Championship game next
year..."===Needed for a championship game: 12 teams.Hence the signing of a program that won only one mid-major MWC
championship last year in women's tennis.I won't give you garbage.
The PAC needed 12 teams, and Utah was body #12, not because of the
"athletic prowness" Larry Scott spoke of, the size of the stadium, or
the TV market, but because they needed a 12th body.Recruits such as
Ryker Matthews (heavily recruited by the PAC-12 Utes) saw the writing on the
wall. A blowout loss in the Vegas Bowl to a mid-major WAC team (please, don't
ask me to go into the basketball program -- or the strength of the Utah
"athletic PROGRAM")...The kid wants to play for a school
whose games will be broadcast nationally, and worldwide.Utah has no
promise of national games, and with little interest around the country, unless
they are playing a nationally recognized team, they will be relagated to
regional TV...Oregon wins the NC? "And you know this how?"
I dont know why Rykers chose BYU over Utah. Perhaps it had something to do with
Reynolds or the summer sun. But he will have his chance to change his mind
after he gets back from his mission (if he serves one) and finds out what a joke
it is to be independent. But by then Utahs roster will probably be filled with
4 star recruits. Again, Ill be watching on Wednesday nights and it wont be ESPN
"he would have gone to Utah, and played on regional PAC-12 TV in Utah, and
the region of the team Utah will be playing for that weekend."And you know this how? The PAC 12s new TV contract hasn't been signed yet.
So you wouldnt. But if it is anything like the deal FOX broadcast channels
announced yesterday to televise the PAC 12 Championship game next year
nationally for $25 million the new TV contract still to be signed will earn
everyone in the PAC 12 a lot of money. Commissioner Larry Scott said the new TV
deal and network channel are modeled after the Big 10 and SEC contracts. Those
packages are both national and regional in scope. And when Oregon wins the
national championship on Monday the value is going to skyrocket. And dont give
me the garbage about Utah not getting any money next year. That does not apply
to the PAC 12 championship game or the bowl games of which the PAC 10
participated in two BCS bowls this year. After 2011 all TV revenue will be
shared and eventually shared equally
Actually dutchman his odds of playing in the Rose Bowl and/or for a National
Championship are probably greater at BYU than at utah even if they are still
slim. But I wonder what could have possibly convinced him to sign
with the Y over the u? I mean the u is going to the pac10, the u is nationally,
no world, renowned. How could any recruit ever consider the BYU when the u is
calling?It just doesn't make any sense, this isn't what ute fans
keep telling us is going to happen. christina b? wedgie? uteology? big ben?
Please set us all straight on how this could have happened?
"Mathews, who was recruited heavily by BYU and Utah before choosing
BYU."Come on, I thought that Utah entering the PAC was supposed
to be the deciding factor in players "choosing" Utah over BYU!What happened?Was he not athletic enough, and knew he would
not be able to play for a PAC school?Or, is he a solid recruit and
just chose the best school?
@Dutchman:Enjoy watching him on ESPN on Wednesdays. I guess you're
thinking they will have highlights of him, as well as other BYU players on
SportsCenter. I will agree with you, BYU should be that good...===Too bad the kid is not an athlete, or he would have gone to
Utah, and played on regional PAC-12 TV in Utah, and the region of the team Utah
will be playing for that weekend.==="Too bad he won't get
a chance to play in the Rose Bowl or the National Championship game."Gee, I'm missing something here. What PAC-10 team played in the Rose
Bowl, or the NC this year?
Dutchman-It says he was heavily recruited by BYU and Utah, not Oregon. You think
the Utes will see either of those games anytime soon? Nice thought though.
Too bad he won't get a chance to play in the Rose Bowl or the National
Championship game because he sounds like a nice kid. I'll enjoy watching him on
Wednesday nights on ESPN to fill in my mid week TV schedule.
Great to hear he is coming to BYU to be a part of their tremendous program. You
will have a great experience and no reqrets Ryker. Looking forward to seeing you
rise and shout!