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  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Jan. 8, 2011 10:53 p.m.

    @dutchman

    I'm not buying your "I have a masters degree from BYU" assertion. Anyone still using a vcr is obviously a utah grad. LOL

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Jan. 8, 2011 10:38 p.m.

    Veritas Aequitas,

    That's funny. First BYU fans tried to discredit Utah's academic standing now it is athletic prowess. Which is it? I guess with you it is both and so the only reason Utah got the invite was for a 12th team. If you want to believe that this is a free country. I have a masters degree from BYU and I am proud of it. I hope your degree is from somewhere else because you make no sense. I guess I could accept the idea that the PAC 10 Presidents invited Colorado and Utah based solely on academic credentials since Colorado's athletic prowess is worse than Utah's otherwise they would have taken Boise St and TCU just for the athletics. Did I confuse you? Anyway, the Wednesday night thing was meant to be funny but I find most BYU fans have no sense of humor. Please tell me how many of your games are ending up on ESPN U and how many homes will be reached. I want to set my VCR.

  • UtahUte16 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 8, 2011 9:11 p.m.

    Oh yeah?... Well my dad can beat up your dad.

    You people are hilarious. Whatever makes you sleep at night.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Jan. 8, 2011 8:56 p.m.

    Dutchman | 1:46 p.m. Jan. 8, 2011
    Murray, UT

    Ummm... Did you read my post. My post is exactly what I said.

    Now, if you want to put words in my mout, feel free.

    If you are having problems understand me, I will repeat it.

    Larry Scott was disingenuous when he claimed that the UofU was invited to the PAC, citing "athletic prowess". They needed 12 teams for the conference championship game.

    Utah took home on mid-major MWC championship in women's tennis last year.

    I do not consider that to be "athletic prowess"...

    I hope that is clear enough for you.

    Tell me more about the Wednesday night games that don't exist.

    @ethanham | 9:57 a.m. and 9:59 a.m.

    I understand why Oregon is not in the Rose Bowl. I am just curious why the PAC was not deep enough to send a different team?

  • SLCWatch Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 8, 2011 3:16 p.m.

    Veritas Aequitas
    Sometimes my tongue in cheek humor is a little deep. With players from both Oregon St and USC abandoning the Pac 12 scholarships to walk on at BYU I was implying that maybe affiliation with a conference that loses bowl games more than it wins isn't so great as some people make it out to be.
    Sorry for confusing you.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Jan. 8, 2011 1:46 p.m.

    So, are you calling Larry Scott a liar?
    ===
    I would prefer the word disingenuous...

    "not straightforward or candid; giving a false appearance of frankness."

    This is incredible!! So, you are saying that Larry Scott and Tom Hanson before him, because the plan to bring Colorado and Utah into the PAC 10 started back in 2004 when Tom Hanson was Commissioner, were both and it would require both men under your theory conspired to falsify and deliberately be disingenuous with information about Utah before all 10 Presidents of the PAC 10 including such prestigious institutions as Washington, Cal, Stanford, UCLA and USC in order to convince them to invite Utah into the PAC 10 just to pick up a 12th member in order to hold a championship game. Remember, it is the Presidents who make the decision not Larry Scott or Tom Hanson. Incredible theory! Do you believe also that 9/11 was an inside government job? I know BYU fans love to spin it your way but Utah got the invite based on merits.

    Also, the PAC 12 network will be national just like the Big 10 network is national. BYU = ESPNU, 35 million homes?

  • MichiganCoog Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 8, 2011 10:00 a.m.

    Utah fans out in force yet again. Mr. Matthews chose BYU because he wanted to go there, enough said. If the PAC12 is as glorious as all Utah fans seem to think it is, why didn't Matthews chose Utah over BYU? Well, could it be that he saw a lot more promise for success and notoriety w/ BYU? Perhaps, and could it have been that he looked at Utah's joining of the PAC12, as: "What has that done for Arizona State or Arizona over the past 32 years? Apparently not much at all...neither has it done much for Washington State or Oregon State either as having been members for decades.

    Just because a team is in a bigger conference, does not guarantee anything...performance on the field, an on a National stage does. Outside of Utah's 2 BCS bowl appearances, and their 2008 victories over TCU and BYU, what else have they done in their short 7 years of notoriety made them a program that players simply cannot resist coming to? Not much if you ask me...perhaps that is why BYU continues to be a better draw...TRADITION that last 30 years or longer!

  • ethanham Orem, Ut
    Jan. 8, 2011 9:59 a.m.

    @ Veritas Aequitas,

    Let me just make you aware of something. your comment: "OK, let's all get together and name the teams from the PAC in the Rose Bowl and Vegas Bowl this year."

    The PAC-10 plays in the rose bowl, except when its conference winning team is playing in the National Championship game. So the PAC-10 gave up its seat at the Rose Bowl to take its seat at the NC.

    Oh and I'm not a Ute fan or Cougar fan. My loyalties are outside this state. Just wanted to make sure you understood why there was no team from the PAC-10 in the Rose Bowl this year.

  • ethanham Orem, Ut
    Jan. 8, 2011 9:57 a.m.

    @ Veritas Aequitas,

    Let me just make you aware of something. your comment: "OK, let's all get together and name the teams from the PAC in the Rose Bowl and Vegas Bowl this year."

    The PAC-10 plays in the rose bowl, except when its conference winning team is playing in the National Championship game. So the PAC-10 gave up its seat at the Rose Bowl to take its seat at the NC.

    Oh and I'm not a Ute fan or Cougar fan. My loyalties are outside this state. Just wanted to make sure you understood why there was no team from the PAC-10 in the Rose Bowl this year.

  • Don't Feed the Trolls Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 8, 2011 8:41 a.m.

    This article isn't about BYU or Utah, it is about Matthews. Quit trying to turn it into "my dad can beat up your dad."

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Jan. 8, 2011 8:32 a.m.

    @Dutchman

    You are so ill informed, aka Ignorant.

    Do some research before you embarass yourself even further.

    The ESPN contract with BYU, stipulates, that there can be Saturday, Friday or Thursday night games, only.

    No Wednesdays, Tuesdays, or other nonsense you try to promote.

    Utah will "NOT" receive "Full Funding" with the Pac 12 until 2015. Read and learn son, read and learn.

    Colorado has a better package than does Utah. Enjoy your 2 million next year, while BYU receives 10-12 million out the chute.

    Also remember, that "Every" BYU game, Basketball and Football, is on NATIONAL TV. RECRUITS NOTICE!

    Even after the Pac does it's new TV deal, it will not be putting Utah on every week.

    Also, Utah and Colorado and other schools will have equal sharing...

    Only, if the New Contract exceeds 170 million.

    You see Dutch, BYU already owns it's
    "Brand and LEGACY".

    BYU does not pine for the day, when they will have a Heisman, Outlands, Davey Obrien's, National Championship, College Hall of Famers, Super Bowl MVP's etc.

    Been there, Done that.

    Utah? Still Waiting

    Therefore, ESPN is willing to pay "MILLIONS" to BYU, while Utah begs for Scraps.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Jan. 8, 2011 12:16 a.m.

    Just relax and have fun. Watch other guys how they do their stuff so you can bring in new stuff when playing for BYU.

  • Agg13 Logan, UT
    Jan. 7, 2011 9:31 p.m.

    @Veritas Aequitas: "Gee, I'm missing something here. What PAC-10 team played in the Rose Bowl, or the NC this year?"

    Oregon

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Jan. 7, 2011 7:06 p.m.

    "SLCWatch | 6:14 p.m. Jan. 7, 2011
    Salt Lake City, UT

    Why wouldn't they want to stay in the Pac 12 and go to..."
    ===

    Come on and say it... The Rose Bowl and the Vegas Bowl!!!

    OK, let's all get together and name the teams from the PAC in the Rose Bowl and Vegas Bowl this year...

    Let's see...

    Ummmmmmmmm....

    OK, the MWC, a mid-major represented and won the Rose Bowl, and the WAC represented and won the Vegas Bowl...

    Not naming any teams (OK, a hint... Utah lost the Vegas Bowl to the Wac).

    Otherwise, all those four star recruits are rushing to the hill...

    (Ya gotta love it when arrogant predictions fall silent in the woods when there is no one around to hear them... Go DutchMan, and all of your disingenuous statements).

    Enjoy your Wednesday nights, babe!!!

  • SLCWatch Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 7, 2011 6:14 p.m.

    Hey but hold up there. The flood of recruits and players going to the Pac 12 is draining BYU. I even heard Mendenhall is interviewing the line of them...oh wait, they're all coming to (as in towards, to enter, to join) BYU from USC and Oregon St. and they are walking on to do it!
    Why wouldn't they want to stay in the Pac 12 and go to...
    Oh, Never mind

  • ute-chute Beverly Hills, CA
    Jan. 7, 2011 4:37 p.m.

    Dutchman | 1:59 p.m. Jan. 7, 2011
    Murray, UT

    "But by then Utahs roster will probably be filled with 4 star recruits."

    Yep, Utah has been deluged by 4 star recuits since they announced their affiliation with the PAC.

    How do we even keep count of all of them?

    I've noticed this is so commonplace at the U now, the local newspapers don't even report them.

    Enjoy watching BYU games on Wednesday night. I'll have to let you do that on your own, though, because I choose to watch them live.

    Maybe you can help me find the "one" Friday game. The rest seem to all be on Saturdays...

    2011 BYU Football Schedule
    Sept. 3 at Ole Miss
    Sept. 10 at Texas
    Sept. 17 Utah
    Sept. 23 Central Florida
    Sept. 30 Utah State
    Oct. 8 San Jose State
    Oct. 15 at Oregon State
    Oct. 22 Idaho State
    Oct. 29 Bye
    Nov. 5 at Louisiana Tech
    Nov. 12 Idaho
    Nov. 19 New Mexico State
    Nov. 26 Bye
    Dec. 3 at Hawaii

    It's OK, you can be honest with us. There are no Wednesday games, are there...

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Jan. 7, 2011 4:32 p.m.

    @dutchman

    LOL at the "full of 4 star recruits" assertion. I haven't heard of them getting a single one yet for next months signing day. Considering the pac10 deal was announced last summer it would seem they had plenty of time to get the word out.

    Add that Earth shattering and course of college athletics changing announcement to the already nation wide acclaim and adoration that all people, schools and conferences already had for the utes and it just doesn't seem like they wouldn't be loaded down with every recruit of note from Texas on west.

    I just don't understand this, it is definately perplexing.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Jan. 7, 2011 3:35 p.m.

    Dutchman | 2:59 p.m. Jan. 7, 2011
    Murray, UT
    "The PAC needed 12 teams, and Utah was body #12, not because of the "athletic prowness" Larry Scott spoke of, the size of the stadium, or the TV market, but because they needed a 12th body."

    So, are you calling Larry Scott a liar?
    ===
    I would prefer the word disingenuous...

    "not straightforward or candid; giving a false appearance of frankness."

    If you want to use the word liar, it's your choice. I don't see how pointing a disingenous statement has anything to do with morals. I think claiming "Wednesday Night Football" is disingenous also. (That might be a moral issue.)

    But, hey, you tell me, look at the basketball team, look at the mid-major MWC school that picked up just "one" MWC championship and tell me if you believe that shows "athletic prowess"...

    The kid was smart to choose BYU. And no, I don't see Utah's roster being full of four star recruits, and I haven't seen anything to make me think that will happen.

    Have you?

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Jan. 7, 2011 2:59 p.m.

    "The PAC needed 12 teams, and Utah was body #12, not because of the "athletic prowness" Larry Scott spoke of, the size of the stadium, or the TV market, but because they needed a 12th body."

    So, are you calling Larry Scott a liar? I thought BYU fans were taught better morals. At least you seem to put yourselves above everyone else. Anyway, I will take Larry Scott's word over yours. He seems to be a man of principle.

    I notice you didn't disagree with my contention that Utah will now fill its roster with 4 star recruits. I am sure all those Chinese TV viewers watching BYU football don't know the difference between 2 and 4 star recruits so it shouldn't affect the TV ratings much if anyone happens to be watching.

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    Jan. 7, 2011 2:18 p.m.

    Think you have Utah's cross country schedule confused with BYU football.

    Exactly how many of BYU's games will be on Wed next year? ZERO. They have a couple friday night games, because BYU asked for it due to GC and something else with UCF. Other than that, it's all Saturdays.

    I doubt you'd be watching sportscenter on Wed evenings anyway. Thats when you watch looney tunes.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Jan. 7, 2011 2:14 p.m.

    @Dutchman
    "But if it is anything like the deal FOX broadcast channels announced yesterday to televise the PAC 12 Championship game next year..."
    ===

    Needed for a championship game: 12 teams.

    Hence the signing of a program that won only one mid-major MWC championship last year in women's tennis.

    I won't give you garbage. The PAC needed 12 teams, and Utah was body #12, not because of the "athletic prowness" Larry Scott spoke of, the size of the stadium, or the TV market, but because they needed a 12th body.

    Recruits such as Ryker Matthews (heavily recruited by the PAC-12 Utes) saw the writing on the wall. A blowout loss in the Vegas Bowl to a mid-major WAC team (please, don't ask me to go into the basketball program -- or the strength of the Utah "athletic PROGRAM")...

    The kid wants to play for a school whose games will be broadcast nationally, and worldwide.

    Utah has no promise of national games, and with little interest around the country, unless they are playing a nationally recognized team, they will be relagated to regional TV...

    Oregon wins the NC? "And you know this how?"

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Jan. 7, 2011 1:59 p.m.

    I dont know why Rykers chose BYU over Utah. Perhaps it had something to do with Reynolds or the summer sun. But he will have his chance to change his mind after he gets back from his mission (if he serves one) and finds out what a joke it is to be independent. But by then Utahs roster will probably be filled with 4 star recruits. Again, Ill be watching on Wednesday nights and it wont be ESPN Sports Center.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Jan. 7, 2011 1:54 p.m.

    "he would have gone to Utah, and played on regional PAC-12 TV in Utah, and the region of the team Utah will be playing for that weekend."

    And you know this how? The PAC 12s new TV contract hasn't been signed yet. So you wouldnt. But if it is anything like the deal FOX broadcast channels announced yesterday to televise the PAC 12 Championship game next year nationally for $25 million the new TV contract still to be signed will earn everyone in the PAC 12 a lot of money. Commissioner Larry Scott said the new TV deal and network channel are modeled after the Big 10 and SEC contracts. Those packages are both national and regional in scope. And when Oregon wins the national championship on Monday the value is going to skyrocket. And dont give me the garbage about Utah not getting any money next year. That does not apply to the PAC 12 championship game or the bowl games of which the PAC 10 participated in two BCS bowls this year. After 2011 all TV revenue will be shared and eventually shared equally

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Jan. 7, 2011 12:50 p.m.

    Actually dutchman his odds of playing in the Rose Bowl and/or for a National Championship are probably greater at BYU than at utah even if they are still slim.

    But I wonder what could have possibly convinced him to sign with the Y over the u? I mean the u is going to the pac10, the u is nationally, no world, renowned. How could any recruit ever consider the BYU when the u is calling?

    It just doesn't make any sense, this isn't what ute fans keep telling us is going to happen. christina b? wedgie? uteology? big ben? Please set us all straight on how this could have happened?

  • ute-chute Beverly Hills, CA
    Jan. 7, 2011 12:37 p.m.

    "Mathews, who was recruited heavily by BYU and Utah before choosing BYU."

    Come on, I thought that Utah entering the PAC was supposed to be the deciding factor in players "choosing" Utah over BYU!

    What happened?

    Was he not athletic enough, and knew he would not be able to play for a PAC school?

    Or, is he a solid recruit and just chose the best school?

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Jan. 7, 2011 11:58 a.m.

    @Dutchman:

    Enjoy watching him on ESPN on Wednesdays. I guess you're thinking they will have highlights of him, as well as other BYU players on SportsCenter. I will agree with you, BYU should be that good...

    ===

    Too bad the kid is not an athlete, or he would have gone to Utah, and played on regional PAC-12 TV in Utah, and the region of the team Utah will be playing for that weekend.
    ===

    "Too bad he won't get a chance to play in the Rose Bowl or the National Championship game."

    Gee, I'm missing something here. What PAC-10 team played in the Rose Bowl, or the NC this year?

  • BigD Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 7, 2011 11:52 a.m.

    Dutchman-It says he was heavily recruited by BYU and Utah, not Oregon. You think the Utes will see either of those games anytime soon? Nice thought though.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Jan. 7, 2011 11:27 a.m.

    Too bad he won't get a chance to play in the Rose Bowl or the National Championship game because he sounds like a nice kid. I'll enjoy watching him on Wednesday nights on ESPN to fill in my mid week TV schedule.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Jan. 7, 2011 10:59 a.m.

    Great to hear he is coming to BYU to be a part of their tremendous program. You will have a great experience and no reqrets Ryker. Looking forward to seeing you play.

  • ds7 American Fork, UT
    Jan. 7, 2011 10:52 a.m.

    rise and shout!