now everyone knows where to put the built in bugs!
Oh great! Now Utah has a better chance of getting nuked in the event of a war
than they did before. At least there is an increased chance the state will
feature in a Fallout game.
I sorry but I feel I have to highlight the fact that the federal government is
doing some good things here:1. Providing better security to our
nation and it's citizens2. Providing much needed jobs in a struggling
economy3. Promoting and executing the construction of sustainable
buildingsThose are good things...aren't they? It seems worth noting
that the federal government does, in fact, do good things and that the existence
of "federal land" is one of the factors in choosing this sight.
Congratulations to Senator Hatch and the other members of the Utah congressional
delegation that helped secure that project and congratulations to the the state
of Utah for fostering the circuimstances that helped win this project.
I'm not sure if the building will last being a LEED building. My experience with
LEED buildings is that they are overpriced, built with cheap materials, take a
long time to construct and the end result is a large cheap product that falls
apart on day one.I would rather see a military infrastructure like
this be built out of good solid materials, that will last.
This is great news for those in construction and the IT industry. It's good to
see projects like this going up in Utah, it keeps Utah and the United States at
the forefront of technological innovation. I'm normally against big government
projects but this facility is all about national security which is a proper role
of the government so I'm all for it. With Utah's lower energy costs, lower cost
of living and highly skilled workforce this facility will save money over the
current facility which I believe is near Washington DC.
This complex paid for by a government that has NO MONEY in the bank and $14
trillion dollars in debt. Let's just print more worthless paper.
Spying on American Citizens is not the proper role of government. This center
will use a massive amount of electricity, raising our rates.
America's spying on its citizens is WORSE than that in the old Soviet Union,
because the TECHNOLOGY now is better.
I would imagine the "pro-government no matter what, you're a terrorist
lover if you disagree, if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to
fear" stance that was so common in Utah during the last administration had
something to do with placing the facility here. Funny how quickly that sentiment
changed in Utah once the democrats came into power.
More GOVERNMENT Jobs, less private ones. Not good for anyone. And like others
above have said, we all know what this is really for, spying on us, the enemies
of global warming (Gore called us Nazi's) and Barrack Obama. Clinton said we
should be in a straight jacket, Obama called us enemies. No wonder why they're
putting it in Utah. More enemies here than anywhere else.
Looking out for "YOU"!Orin Hatch touts a few bucks,and a
few jobs.The potential loss of American Liberty, Freedom, and
Privacy should be the paramount concern of the Utah Senator.Shame is
a rare commodity.
Clydesdale - Actually Al Gore didn't call anyone a Nazi. He likened the battle
of global warming to the war with Germany. He was in England at the time and
invoked the name of Winston Churchill to make his case.I have,
however, heard many opponents of the Al Gore philosophy refer to his group as
"enviro-nazis". I guess Steven Stills had it right in the
mid-60's when he said, "Paranoia strikes deep, into your life it will
creep...step out of line the men comeand take you away."Be
Get a grip people. The cyber threat is a real problem to national security and
the economy. Read the book Breakpoint, by Richard A. Clark. Although it's
fiction, the book highlights many of the real issues with cyber security. We
need to be at the forefront of this technology, instead of falling behind our
"Our great computers... fill the hallowed halls"If you're
not guilty, you have nothing to fear. ;-) ;-) ;-) Your paperz pleazzzzz...
Nice to see our government taking steps to bring intel into the 21st Century. I
do question the wisdom of building a critical data center on a MAJOR fault line!
Guess Orrin Hatch got his way on that earmark.
Earthquake proof? Let's hope all our data on terrorists doesn't get sucked into
a giant fissure in the earth after the big one hits.
So basically, Senator Hatch is applauding some wildly expensive, very temporary
government meddling with our construction market so that we can more permanently
employ maybe 100 Federal snoops to more effectively spy on our own citizens.
The ones that dare mention the "Constitution" and "civil
liberties".Great.Don't get me wrong. I'm happy to
see construction. I like to see jobs -- even the temporary ones. But this is
being built with taxpayer money under "supersecret" (read: 'completely
unaccountable') budgets in order to purposely and expressly violate the rights
that our Founding Fathers risked everything to secure.I don't
applaud that, but I think it disappointingly telling that Senator Hatch does.
Oh, no. The government is going to find out I didn't pay taxes on my farm in
Farmville! I feel so threatened. I'm curious as to how the
government is going to threaten my freedom, liberty and privacy with this new
facility. If I want to keep something private, just don't put it on-line. Get a
All I know is our guvment would never lie to us. They've never lied to us
before and they never will.
Maybe the excitement surrounding this announcement should be tempered by the
knowledge that this is going to be used predominantly to surveil all the
electronic communications of AMERICANS, people!A more productive use
of the land and money for this country would be to build an alternate energy
plant, such as solar furnace, wind, or geothermal facility.I don't
trust the NSA to protect me from anyone, especially from myself.The
police state is here, and you welcome it?
Yay! The government is building the biggest data storage center,
EVER, to be able to keep a record of every electronic communication or
transaction you ever made. Welcome to the police state.Thank you, liberal President Obama.
Remember everyone, It's not tyranny if our government spies on us, It's only
tyranny when other governments spy on they're citizens. That seems to be the
mentality of people that are stuc in the Reoublican/Democrat paradigm. They can build this Big Brother fusion center somewhere else like china where
spying on citizens has become legal.
Kentex1146 @ 10:38"All I know is our guvment would never lie to
us. They've never lied to us before and they never will."I
think you need to read more and brush up on your history skills.
Interesting to read all of the conservative voices who told us that there was
nothing to worry about the Patriot Act "if your not doing anything
wrong" under Bush going all Orwell about a data center being built under
A government's greatest fear is of the people it governs. And quite possibly
that may be more truer of our government today than any other country in the
This article brought out the real addlepated cretins. Most are so paranoid they
would not know the truth if it grabbed their personal information, and watching
the hypocritical ANONYMOUS group working out there to protect wikileaks, I would
worry more there ;) But hey, you all know better than me youve obviously
been audited before
Hath's comment: "It is so unique and so intensive," Hatch said.
"This will establish our state as one of the leading states for
technology."Come on, if you believe that I've got a bridge in
Alaska to sell you. Hatch is being the typical political porkster. It will
probably end up being named the Hatch National Spook Center. Does he really
believe that this will provide a boost to Utah as a leading state for
technology? Are they going to share technology that is highly classified with
Utah's open forum computer technology community? Hatch has been drinking too
much of his own koolaid. These 200 jobs are only a drop in the bucket and these
employees are not going to be running around promoting and sharing computer
technology with the rest of us.
This is ridiculous! Anyone who believes this is good isn't thinking straight.
This place is set up to spy on us, Americans, MIAC report says that people who
are for freedom are terrorist. It also says that the Number 1 threat to America
is Returning Vets. WAKE UP PEOPLE THEIR SPYING ON YOU! YOUR RIGHTS ARE BEING
TAKEN FROM YOU!
Great, more money down the drain for the National Security State(tm). Security
Theater is more like it. What a sad waste of money...
I would like immediate disclosure of any connection with the Lord Mayors office
in the City of London between Balfour Beatty construction Company and in
particular any connection to BBCc with the and the livery guild; worshipful
company of security specialists. and further if they, the BBCc, are in fact
under a second employment contract with the worshipful company of security
specialists for covert operations inside the United States for the subversion of
What makes you all think you are so important that the government wants to spy
on you? It is a fact that much of our essential functions of infrastructure and
national defense are dependent on computer networks and software. Do you think
maybe it would be important to protect ourselves from people looking for
vulnerabilities in these systems in order to do us harm? Do you really think
this isn't an issue? Do you think maybe the NSA and this new center would have
some legitimate function besides spying on some dude in Utah? I repeat: Get a
Jobs for Utahns = goodAttention and bettered reputation for Utah = goodThose who work at this center are just as likely to spy on Norwegians,
Indians, Brazilians and the Dutch as they are to spy on Americans... That's
just my opinion.Hear hear to the man who said, "If you want it
to be private, don't put it online."
@liberal ted So could you give us an example of a LEED building that fell
apart day one because my experience has been just the opposite.
I sorry but I feel I have to highlight the fact that the federal government is
doing some good things here:1. Providing better security to our
bloated government and its tyrants who support destroying the constitution,
while the borders are wide open.2. Providing much needed jobs in a
struggling economy to further spy on its own citizens, while the borders are
wide open.3. Promoting and executing the construction of sustainable
buildings while our nation is broke and the borders are wide open.Those are good things...aren't they? It seems worth noting that the federal
government does, in fact, do good things and that the existence of "federal
land" is one of the factors in choosing this sight. Congratulations to
Senator Hatch and the other members of the Utah congressional delegation that
helped secure that project and congratulations to the the state of Utah for
fostering the circuimstances that helped win this project.
One thing is for sure, with USACE involved the project will be mismanaged, over
budget and filled with claims from the subcontractors who survive having to deal
with the unethical practices practiced by USACE.
Re:Dr. FranklinCould you translate your post to American?Is there
conflict of interest with Balfour Beatty and NSA?Re: Liberal TedLEED certification doesn't mean inferior materials / construction; I have seen
the opposite - usually energy efficient concrete shell type structures.
The NSA is like the TSA: ask them for some proof they the do enough genuine
good to justify their existences and costs, and they'll reply with a line about
how proving they contribute in a meaningful way to our safety would compromise
our safety, so for the sake of our safety, we'll just have to trust that they're
ensuring our safety. Safety safety safety!A reply which, to an
actual American, should be completely unacceptable. But somehow we've become so
timid that we'll blindly throw very real money down a metaphorical hole, and
cross our fingers that it's helping somehow. It's like the world's largest,
least aesthetically pleasing wishing-well. You can't prove it DOESN'T work,
right?I'm happy for the construction workers, at least. Those folks
have had a tough go of it lately.
Yea, right, Utah. Sen. Hatch has done it again. A BILLION and a HALF dollars to
build a hugh GOVERNMENT facility to SPY on the rest of us. Smart and makes
sense. If anyone thinks this is not the case, you should move to California
where there are no taxes and the state is not in debt to anyone and they have no
crime - WAKE UP AMERICA! Stop allowing these pork bailouts!
The funny thing is that if Chaffetz and Lee get their way on not extending the
debt ceiling, the construction will grind to a halt because the government will
not be able borrow the money to finance this project.Wait for it
I think this is wonderful news. I believe that our security in the surrounding
area's will be stellar due to this center. We need more technology here. It
keeps getting sent to India via the companies in Utah. Lets hope this can't be
outsourced. Lets hope we can keep the fires away from it.
In response to the comment on LEED design, trust me, I personally know in this
case the structures will be structurally sound enough to last at a minimum 100
More money taken out of hard working American families to support governments
wasteful intrusive programs. Government uses our own money to buy its toys that
it uses against us. It's amazing how 911 was used as an excuse for this and
other programs. I wonder who the real culprits are behind 911 and why hasn't bin
laden been caught yet?
Some fact checking here... There is going to be 100,000 sq feet of data center,
and 900,000 for technical support and administrative. With 100-200 employees,
that makes 4,500 square feet per employee, which would be one heck of an office.
Someone's information is a little off. Follow up?
"To accommodate is to be abused"; by either Big Brother Government or
by Enemies from without (or from within the country). When?Perhaps,
we will just have to wait and see the outcomes of this fantastic claim of
security for the American people, and opportunity for cyber space power
dominance, let alone the economic boost.
Anyone know if there will be a tunnel to DIA?