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Published: Thursday, Jan. 28 2010 12:00 a.m. MST

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Pagan

I think traditional marriage would win again. - 12:40 p.m.

Only due to the scare tactics many employ against gay marriage. My example? Prop 8. How many times has the word 'pedophile' been used in this case against gay marriage?

I take no issue with solid, respectful debate.

Until that happens, who is the one who is scared when they use the name of their belief structure to defend marriage?

@12:40

you are right about one thing they did vote.

Anonymous

...respect for traditional marriage... - 10:42 a.m.


How can you have respect for something that fails, half of the time?

John

Way to go Jason !!!
You're great and understand the times.
Gay mariage is a cancer of society.

Re: Pagan

"And just WHO exaclty elected these councilmen? Leprechans? All this talk of how legislation dosen't 'adhere to the will of the people' but ONLY when it supports gay marriage"

Your claim is false on its face. Unless all of the DC elected councimen openly stated that they supported gay marriage in their campain platforms, the people did not directly or indirectly vote for gay marriage. Thus the voice of the people was ignored and the political will of the concilmen was imposed upon the voting public without the ablity to vote.

Are you scared of a popular vote in DC? If you honestly think the gay community has the votes in DC to pass the kind of gay marriage initiatves and legislation that Chaffetz is proposing, you should be chomping at the bit to get a chance to give the legitimate residents of DC the opportunity to vote on this issue.

So which is it? You want to deprive the legitmate residents of DC the right to vote on gay marriage or do you favor elected officials or Court imposing their wills upon the people while the people as a collective body have no say in the matter?

Anonymous

How did you manage that in your "marriage". - 11:44 a.m.


You got problems.

Pagan

'Thus the voice of the people was ignored and the political will of the concilmen was imposed upon the voting public without the ablity to vote.' - 1:39 p.m.

Not so much. The political will of the councilmen (or women) was ELECTED to represent the voting public.

As I have said in the past. If you want to get every person's vote on gay marriage, get to work.

There are 305 million Americans in our country at this time. The 'legitimate' claim is that we elect REPS in this country. Not mob mentality.

Rights of minorities in this country are protects as much as the majority. In this case, gay marriage, these rights have YET to be provided at all.

And yet it's ok to collect gay taxes, isn't it?

Also, why should Chaffetz, a Utah rep, play a role in DC's local government? Afraid you would loose a vote?

And last, no one has ever answered why they cannot come up with facts against gay marriage. Not a book over 2,000 years old.

You fail to recognize the voice of the people unless it agrees with you.

Respect for marriage

"...respect for traditional marriage... - 10:42 a.m.


How can you have respect for something that fails, half of the time? "

My parents have been married for over 50 years. My brothers and I have a combined 75 years of marriage among the three of us. And we all respect marriage, and have good ones.

See, when you have committed people who are committed to each other, who work through their problems, who get married with the idea that it's going to last forever and are willing to work as hard as it takes to make that happen, it works. Marriages don't fail because the idea of marriage is flawed, they fail because one or both partners fail to make the necessary effort. Selfishness can doom any relationship.

By the way, that figure of 50% failure includes all marriages. Including people who get married and divorced multiple times. If you just look at first marriages, the failure rate is much lower. If you look at active LDS temple marriages, it's under 10%. Those people get married with that forever, commitment idea. That it matters eternally.

Gay Agenda

I can't wait until we make all the Children in DC GAY!!!! YAY!!! Soon, they will hear about Gay Marriage in DC in the 2nd grade and they will start asking their mommies and daddies if they can grow up to have same-sex marriages, and adopt kids, and make THEM gay, too. YAY!!! We are definitely going to turn all the children gay....every last one of them.

Asked and answered

"Also, why should Chaffetz, a Utah rep, play a role in DC's local government? Afraid you would lose a vote?"

But here goes again - because it's in the Constitution. Because the people of D.C. are upset that this is being forced on them.

"You fail to recognize the voice of the people unless it agrees with you."

Try looking in the mirror. The people should vote for themselves on something that so fundamentally changes the nature of their society.

jason

Just so everyone knows, the reason we don't vote on these issues in DC us because we are not allowed to vote on human rights. That is the law here as it should be everywhere. Denying someone equal protection isn't something we do here because its popular. That didn't work out too well when the confederacy did it 150 years ago. Protecting the rights of minorities is an essential part of the US constitution. You people don't seem to mind if your hairdesser is gay or if you get a good laugh out of a drag queen in a movie. You only have a problem with us when we want to be treated equally. Thinking the instuition of marriage will be destroyed if we are allowed to marry is ridiculous. If you really want to fix marriage, why don't you outlaw divorce.

One Human Family

For those pushing for a vote in DC, when can I vote on temple marriages for Mormons? Throw a few million dollars behind scary and untrue commercials in the South and what do you think will happen?

Votes on human rights should never happen. If someone could raise a real, logical concern against two gay consenting adults from getting married, please voice them. Otherwise, stop letting your prejudice dictate laws.

Kip Bright

I live in DC. If approval for Gay Marriage were to come to a vote in DC it would pass by a wide margin. (Bush only won 8% of the 2004 presidential vote in DC, as an analogy). The religious right lost this one but they don't want you to think they lost it fairly and squarely.

Traditional Marriage? LOL

As I read these comments the one that really sticks out to me is regarding a "protection of traditional marriage." This is such a joke! Heterosexuals have really screwed up "traditional" marriage.

The divorce rate in America for first marriage, vs second or third marriage 50% percent of first marriages, 67% of second and 74% of third marriages end in divorce, according to Jennifer Baker of the Forest Institute of Professional Psychology in Springfield, Missouri.”

According to enrichment journal on the divorce rate in America:
The divorce rate in America for first marriage is 41%
The divorce rate in America for second marriage is 60%
The divorce rate in America for third marriage is 73%

Come on people! Traditional marriage is SO sacred??? Stop getting Las Vegas weddings and then divorcing after the hangover the next morning. Keep Utah's small-minded bigotry in Utah.

Pagan

'The people should vote for themselves on something that so fundamentally changes the nature of their society.' - 4:57 p.m.

And yet, when the question of HOW this changes society, many do not have an answer, correct?

Can you give me an example of how gay marriage would affect a seperate, straight marriage?

I didn't think so. No one has ever been able to give me a factual example of this. Only 'it will hurt my morals' or somesuch. You know what? Why didn't your morals get hurt with interracial marriage? How about Utah's constitutional change from 'two people' in marriage to 'one man and one woman' in '04? These are changes in marriage, correct? Where was your outrage then?

It seems with a (in some cases) 73% divorce rate (not including all 6 members of a family's marriages together) you only care of changes of marriage ALLOW another group to enjoy the rights of marriage you covet.

Because trust me, if you can, or are married and you work to deny it to someone else, coveting marriage is the only thing you do.

Not honor it.

Pagan

'I can't wait until we make all the Children in DC GAY!!!! YAY!!! Soon, they will hear about Gay Marriage in DC in the 2nd grade... - 4:01 p.m.

This is why prop 8 will fail. Because of fear mongers lik this, who used children as human shields against logic. MA has had gay marriage for almost 6 years now. If a 2nd grader askes, I'm sure a adult would tell him/her gay marriage EXIST'S, just as they would with straight marriage, right?

Now, does that mean the gay community will come in, guns a blazing and teach a 2nd grader about sodomy?

I doubt it.

Children do need to learn in school. And the only thing they will learn from the gay community is that they exist. No more. Sexual education SHOULD be the responsibility of the parents.

And yet, many do not teach their children these fundamental things.

In gay marriage, the gay community is after MARRIAGE, not your children.

Only haters claim that.

And so, when the foundation for Prop 8 is exposed as nothing more than bigotry and mindless hate, we will begin to ask WHO started it all.

'YAY!!!'

DC statehood

we should give the residents of DC statehood. They deserve a voice in congress and two senators. Thats the right thing to do. Some Mormon from Utah shouldnt have any say at all in what happens in DC.

Why I don't claim Utah as 'home'

Chaffetz said: "Thirty-one times in a row when it has come up for a vote in the states, traditional marriage has always won." Well, guess what? If we would have waited for a popular vote to allow women/minorities the same rights as white men, we would still be waiting.

I firmly believe it is the responsibility of the majority (in this case, heterosexuals) to protect the rights of the minority. Too many people in this country confuse "democratic republic" with "majority rules". There's a differece, folks.

Swift

Go back to Utah and stay out of DC. We don't want Congressman Chaffetz involving himself in our local politics. He has no place here. This is beyond contempt.

TimInChgo

So much for keeping Big Government out of our lives. Cons are against Big Government unless it's THEIR Big Government.

The hypocrisy is astounding.

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